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Miniatures Adventure => Fantasy Adventures => Topic started by: Dr. The Viking on January 08, 2010, 11:20:07 PM
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(http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m800021a_99120216004_BeastmenMinotaurHerd2_445x319.jpg)
I had a good laugh at this... It is supposedly "beastmen minotaurs", but I can't see any!
All I see is what looks like a copy of a 1980's Masters of The Universe toy.
The middle one with the banner almost looks like it's got movable arms lol
EDIT: Sorry about this not very informative topic. I just thought it was hillarious.
EDIT II: Oh and I've been a Minotaur enthusiast quite some time.. and thus REALLY looking forward to this release. Imagine my dissappointment.
EDIT III: Incidently I was also the guy behind the "why is this place so GW-bashy"-thread :-X
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Not only that £27 for three!!!
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Not only that £27 for three!!!
Ugh! I stopped laughing! o_o
They've got a pet too:
(http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m790114a_99110216002_BeastmenRazorgor2_445x319.jpg)
Perhaps a bear? Or pigbear?
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They've got a pet too:
:o
what's silly that?
and I thought, nothing surprises me any more..
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Ok I've seen some ugly miniatures in my time, but that one takes the ticket!
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Thorbjörn, as a fellow minotaur enthusiast all I can say is: that is complete shite, or in german: was für ein Scheiss!
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'Beastmen Minotaurs' - not sure I quite understand the description. Will 'Human People' be a future release? ???
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:o
what's silly that?
and I thought, nothing surprises me any more..
I wish I knew... or just had a clue!!! Best guess would be a giant mega pig mutant?
I'm seriously worried about whether these releases will have an impact on the space time continuum. Can such monstrosities coexist with real miniatures?
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Ugh! I stopped laughing! o_o
They've got a pet too:
(http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m790114a_99110216002_BeastmenRazorgor2_445x319.jpg)
(http://www.ceunited.com/images/Warthog%20write%20up/Pumbaa.jpg)
Well you know what they say....
Hakuna Ma tatta! lol
(Bloody awful load of crap all round).
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Found another pic:
(http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m790108a_99110216002_BeastmenRazorgor1_445x319.jpg)
lol
This really is hilarious, cheers for starting this thread, Mr. T.!
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All I see is what looks like a copy of a 1980's Masters of The Universe toy.
you migtht be onto something, cheap dollarstore knockoffs and cow heads would be better lol
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:o
what's silly that?
and I thought, nothing surprises me any more..
There was a film some years back about a killer Razor back pig in Australia, that is its double ;)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Razorback_%28film%29
i had it on VHS lol
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Razorback_%28film%29
i had it on VHS lol
You sure you want to own up to that ;)
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i was around ten at the time hehe
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Infact the one from the film is better, actually I got it out on video Col and I would have been older lol
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MNvQHZVBrTo/SbEaEuUAJ7I/AAAAAAAAASc/uRzqmvQyYy8/s400/razorback.jpg)
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lol
that beats the GW one hands down, their spiky pig looks like it's about to fall over :?
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Shit, shit and more shit. I was really looking forward to these new beastmen releases as it was one of my favorite armies of the last bunch :-[
Oh well, out come the scapels, sculpting putty and imagination again ::)
cheers
James
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Perhaps a bear? Or pigbear?
Man-Bear-Pig!!!
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Wow. I gotta say, that those Beastmen Minotaurs are the silly bunch of shits I've seen in ages. The paint jobs are so cartoon-like that I can't take them seriously. And what the hell on the razorback? Bug eye silliness doesn't mix with the Children of Chaos concept somehow....
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It's hard not to join GW-bashing if they're releasing such sculpting... mistakes. That's obviously where the 'Rackhamisation' of fantasy figs has led us to: Take silly things and overdo them as much as you can. What happened to the great concept of a dark fantasy world nevertheless inspired by our own history/mythology? Currently I'm happier than ever to own a collection of outdated Beastmen sculpted by the Perrys and others.
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It's hard not to join GW-bashing if they're releasing such sculpting... mistakes. That's obviously where the 'Rackhamisation' of fantasy figs has led us to: Take silly things and overdo them as much as you can. What happened to the great concept of a dark fantasy world nevertheless inspired by our own history/mythology? Currently I'm happier than ever to own a collection of outdated Beastmen sculpted by the Perrys and others.
I would kill a... uhm.. oh well I would like a regiment of the old metal goatmen. Those were SO great.
Actually they're not even that old. 1995 or something right?
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Over priced plastic crap....Soon GW will be gone...Soon....
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Over priced plastic crap....Soon GW will be gone...Soon....
When Mattel buys them. lol
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Found another pic:
(http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m790108a_99110216002_BeastmenRazorgor1_445x319.jpg)
lol
This really is hilarious, cheers for starting this thread, Mr. T.!
Foound another one:
(http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m790110a_99110216002_BeastmenRazorgor1_873x627.jpg)
Gahjebus! What is this?! Look at the paint job! Especially the horns. This is sub par!
I think the "Heavy Metal Team" does some decent painting normally. But this looks rushed.
Apparantly I'm able to complain about GW at every level. o_o
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:o Why, oh why, oh why,......... o_o
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Found another pic:
(http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m790108a_99110216002_BeastmenRazorgor1_445x319.jpg)
lol
This really is hilarious, cheers for starting this thread, Mr. T.!
Why is everyone so surprised? :?
The way you're reacting to this item is exactly what I've thought of almost everything GW has produced in the past 20 years - pubescent, ludicrous, puerile, derivative, clumsy, over-the-top tosh.
To me, virtually all their stuff looks just as ridiculous as this does, and always has done.
I honourably except the LOTR range - but then those weren't actually designed by GW were they, but by serious, talented grown-ups in the creative industries?
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Why is everyone so surprised? :?
The way you're reacting to this item is exactly what I've thought of almost everything GW has produced in the past 20 years - pubescent, ludicrous, puerile, derivative, clumsy, over-the-top tosh.
To me, virtually all their stuff looks just as ridiculous as this does, and always has done. (...)
Right, GW's background stories - and in consequence the miniatures as well - have always been inspired by trashy, puerile movies, novels, comics and roleplaying games much valued by the respective pubertal generation. For some of us it's simply hard to realise that they didn't make the shift and as such are no longer addressed in their interests. Seemingly, count me in. ;)
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are the minotaurs plastic?
this is seriously a personal offence to any good sculptor, not only for customers
even more so if they are metal!!
totally CRAP
the pig however is not that bad. with a proper base and paintjob you could make something of it - or as scenery for a hunt
well, gone are the times of the beautiful Jes Goodwin sculpts.....
is he still active in the business?
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The latest blurb includes the usual cheese and is:
Beastmen
The Beastmen are a savage horde of twisted creatures who seek to tear apart all that lies in their path. For the first time ever these true Children of Chaos have their own, stand-alone army list. Warhammer Armies: Beastmen is full of unruly herds, twisted monsters and gargantuan beasts. And it, along with a range of new Beastmen miniatures, is available to advance order today.
Minotaurs
Minotaurs are the largest of all the Beastmen warriors and are for the first time available as a multi-part plastic set, making it easier to field unique units of these towering brutes.
Bestigor Herd
Bestigor are the elite of the Beastmen infantry. More aggressive and bloodthirsty than the rest of the warherd, they are armed with the best weapons and armour, and are an ideal unit to build your battle-line around.
Gor Herd
The bulk of any Beastmen warherd is made up of braying units of Gors. Few foes can maintain their nerve in the face of a deafening, intimidating horde of Gors and large units of these tough, feral warriors are a must for any Beastmen general.
Ungor Herd
Ungor are the smaller cousins of the Gor and though less physically impressive, are far more cunning and dextrous. Now able to carry short bows and skirmish, Ungor are essential to the success of any warherd.
Warhammer Armies: Beastmen
The ultimate guide to the history and forces of the Beastmen, this is the first ever stand-alone Beastmen army book and contains all of the rules and information you’ll need to field a Beastmen army.
Doombull
Doombulls are the most powerful Beastmen combat characters, capable of laying waste to entire regiments of Men or slaying Dragons. Razorgor
Razorgor are a brand-new unit type that charge into enemy units like living chariots, delivering four Strength 6 Attacks.
Ghorros Warhoof
Ghorros Warhoof has fathered thousands of powerful Centigors and grants any unit of Centigors he leads +1 Weapon Skill. Malagor the Dark Omen
Malagor is a brand-new Bray-Shaman special character whose wicked presence makes it harder for enemy units to pass Leadership tests.
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They look much better unpainted ...
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actually I like the minotaurs [insert embarased green guy picture] :)
they are not suberb but in my opinion better than most of their older counterparts (and I'm also including the 80's stuff).
but I must admit that they have a cartoonish side just like most of their minis, which is something that I like from them and fit nicelly if you like some cartoon look on your fantasy minis.
note: I'm not advocating the devil ... it's just something on personal taste, the odds are that I'm not going to buy them because they are very expensive and there are a lot of better minotaurs in the market for a better price, but they look nice to me :)
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if it is plastics, it is of course different, but then the price should fit....
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They certainly seem to have disappeared up their own rear orifice with this one :o
WFB seems to be getting more cartoony and unappealing to me with each release :( Shame really, as the fairly recent revamped plastic Chaos Warrior box is really nice and works well with the more ... erm...."restrained" fantasy ranges.
With this and the ridiculous prices of the newer Lord Of The Rings releases, I can't see me giving them much custom this year. I just hope they don't "improve" the Tau, as they are my current favourite for higher tech aliens in 5150.
Oh well.
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Be afraid...
It seems they're more busy with reworking existing stuff than creating something new :-[
I am wondering if we'll see a new Codex: Space Marines or Orks this year ;)
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if it is plastics, it is of course different, but then the price should fit....
They are...............
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I agree with the comment about the 'masters of the universe' action figure pose. I nearly fell off me chair when I read that!! lol
I still like a lot of their figs I will admit but I am definately no fan of their pricing, especially in the case of the LOTR range.
For me, the deal-breaker was the blood knights that were released with the re-worked 'Vampire Counts' book. $117 CDN (at the time) for five models that frankly suck!!! I was living in Halifax at the time and saw the kit being assembled by the bunker staff prior to release (for display). I recall a substantial amount of putty work required to make the damn things paintable. Shite kit and the price utterly utterly ludicrous... ::)
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For the first time ever these true Children of Chaos have their own, stand-alone army list. Warhammer Armies: Beastmen is full of unruly herds, twisted monsters and gargantuan beasts.
As far as I'm aware they're now even lying about their own products I seem to remember a Beastman army book having been already produced.
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Christ on a bike - they're bad... lol lol lol lol
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Dammit, need to snaffle me a box of the last plastic beastmen kit before it disappears...
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They look much better unpainted ...
Or uncast? ;)
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As far as I'm aware they're now even lying about their own products I seem to remember a Beastman army book having been already produced.
Actually I think they are referencing that previous book allowed the mix of the three chaos armies, you can’t anymore, not really a improvement…
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I am wondering if we'll see a new Codex: Space Marines or Orks this year
They just emailed me to say that blood Angels was being released/redone/upcheesed in April.
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Actually I think they are referencing that previous book allowed the mix of the three chaos armies, you can’t anymore, not really a improvement…
So "Chaos" is controlled by strict rules :o :?
lol lol
Says it all about WFB really.... ;)
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So "Chaos" is controlled by strict rules
Nearly as good as the sign I saw in Cheltenham once: Vote Anarchist!
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Yeah I just got the same message.
AND CHAOS FALLOWS NO MANS RULES!!!!! lol!
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It cannot be denied that nobody makes cheese as cheesy as GW's cheese. Even Vieux Boulogne (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vieux-Boulogne) doesn't come close. This new crime against gaming decency is merely further proof that GW are muscling in on the as yet untapped six-to-nine-year-old market. You can certainly tell that whoever painted that hog clearly wasn't getting into the vibe of the miniature, which ain't really surprising given how utterly insipid it is. I mean the moneyed ones can get it right sometimes, - from what I've seen of them, last year's Empire plastics were pretty spiffy - but when they foul up don't they really foul up? Personally I've still never fully got over the godawful Ogre Kingdoms army anyway, so to be fair this latest atrocity barely raised my eyebrows...
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I agree
the old plastic "Heroquest" Ogres were better
the only plastics I really like are WE and DE, but this might have to do with my Elf fixation
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This... bull ist utterly bull...
I don't know, something has gone terribly wrong somewhere. I admit I really like some of there stuff, especially if it's not too much into comic style. This stuff, however, leaves me really feeling rather put off.
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Well this saves me a lot of money, a friend and I had the plan to build a minotaur army assuming you could still field them as troop with a doombull (which you can) and the next taurs would be plastic, but with those at that price I will gladly not spend the money on GW.
To be honest I do quite like the plastic infantry, seem to be a improvement over the previous ones.
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Saw these Minotaurs on TGN with a little description and thought I'd share it.
http://www.tabletopgamingnews.com/2010/01/11/32703
Some more pictures here.
http://www.sciborminiatures.com/en_,monstrous_news.php?id=857
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that's what I would call minotaur
"na geht doch!" in German
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I 2nd that! those ones look pretty good :-*
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The GW Minotaurs are the way they are becaue they are the way they are.
4 pages of this? Honestly...
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This thread while an awful subject (those figures are terrible),has also made me feel rather nostalgic.Still have some original GW RQ figures,Broos (beastmen to those ignorant of Glorantha).Shall I post up some pics?
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4 pages of this? Honestly...
Apart from the delight of EE rant, there are many younger gamers who do not know of anything other than GW - pointing out the decline in sculpting quality alone can be beneficial for competitors (see above) and collectors alike and raise awareness. I must admit though that posting alternatives would be a better contribution towards this aspect.
I was wondering the other day if there might be some kind of "adolescence issue", so young wargamers would insist upon the qualities of GW as opposed to aged wargamers who would point out the flaws in a way perceived as "parental" and condescending and thus enforcing the "GW-identification" as a form of adolescence protest ;)
just a thought...
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The GW Minotaurs are the way they are becaue they are the way they are.
4 pages of this? Honestly...
Then read another topic ;)
Honest criticism of a product/range that people find is substandard is something all companies should accept.
Maybe if GW just once decided to read threads like this and realised that the figure-buying public actually know what they are talking about, they might not have had such a rocky time as they have recently.
And, lets be honest, it is quite funny to read
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Then read another topic ;)
Then don't buy GW miniatures...? ::)
While LAF has definitely expanded the horizons of my miniature hobby "stuff", if it wasn't for GW a lot of people wouldn't be in the hobby.
Does anyone else offer plastic minotaurs out there? No. The potential for converting (or "correcting" as some would put it) is also there... which no one seems to have pointed out. As well as not even using them for minotaurs at all... I see a lot of potential here.
I get the criticism, and yes some interesting miniatures as alternatives... but it is the cynicism that dissapoints me.
Anyway, carry on.
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Hey dude that's the whole point of this rant, GW has so much patintal and then they squander it. I would never have got into TBWGing if it wasn't for games like hero's quest and WHFB, but they pretty much priced them self's out of my range and then produce horrible mins like the minotaurs tht were talked about earlier.
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Does anyone else offer plastic minotaurs out there? No.
No, they offer metal versions for less money...............
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Then don't buy GW miniatures...? ::)
While LAF has definitely expanded the horizons of my miniature hobby "stuff", if it wasn't for GW a lot of people wouldn't be in the hobby.
Does anyone else offer plastic minotaurs out there? No. The potential for converting (or "correcting" as some would put it) is also there... which no one seems to have pointed out. As well as not even using them for minotaurs at all... I see a lot of potential here.
I get the criticism, and yes some interesting miniatures as alternatives... but it is the cynicism that dissapoints me.
Anyway, carry on.
Then this thread will no doubt dissappoint you even more! lol
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=14281.0
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Maybe if GW just once decided to read threads like this and realised that the figure-buying public actually know what they are talking about, they might not have had such a rocky time as they have recently.
Actually, I think they do... but also I think that they have their own agenda and it wouldn't surprise me if it didn't include internet forae feedback.
I've read once a thread from Gary Morley (former GW sculptor) in the warseer forum (if I'm not mistaken), where he wrote that he browsed the internet for overall opinion about his sculpts and also that their management are the ones that in the end make the decision about the released minis... Probably it won't happen with everyone of them ... but they are human after all....
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There's the pre-painted Reaper minotaur which doesn't look half bad. As well as the D&D prepainted miniatures, got to be at least half a dozen there. That's not even going into the figures from Mageknight. With several quite nice minotar sculpts.
In terms of Ogres, Trolls and Minotaurs for Warhammer, I've stuck to Reaper miniatures. The figures are cheaper, less cartoony.
No, they offer metal versions for less money...............
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Actually, I learned something very interesting about GW customer service a long time ago, partly during a fiasco in which I was supposed to be writing some Roman supplements for WAB, partly during an earlier incident in which an offer to write for 40k ended up being downgraded to a "retail management position with creative input"....
Well, I learned many interesting things, but the thing most relevant here may seem totally opposite what you might think, but I assure you that it is -entirely- within keeping with GW's current leadership.
Let's use a for instance. Let's assume that GW sees something on a forum, or in a message board, or in a petition (for example, in the futile attempt to get them to produce actual Pre-Heresy Miniatures), endorsed by several gamers.
The first logical step, for most companies (including my own) would be to consider the situation and weigh its merits. Even if the company in question decided -not- to act on the recommendations/requests/outright demands of its customer base, it would have made the decision at least taking those opinions into account.
"We have decided to produce Pre-Heresy miniatures due to demand, and because of A, B, and C."
OR
"We have considered your suggestions, and while we are grateful for them, we just don't think Pre-Heresy era miniatures are practical for us at the moment, because of A,B, and C."
Alternatively, it might choose (as some companies do) to simply ignore the feedback. Perhaps be grateful, but ignore it.
"Thanks for the suggestions, guys. We might do them in the future but at the moment we have no plans to produce Pre-Heresy Miniatures. In the meanwhile, consider A, B, C."
Not the case with GW. Instead, GW has a very interesting spin on this. When the "public" clamours for something, that actually makes it less likely that GW will then pursue that option, at least in the immediate future. "Doc," you're saying, "you're nuts/ill informed/simply making this up". Alas, this is not the case. For whatever reason, GW leadership seems to think that something demanded by a radical and vocal group of gamers is probably being requested by a minority, or by a group that has no real interest in seeing the "GW Hobby" blossom, as much as seeing its own demands met. GW views any feedback from folks other than the inner circle to be "ill informed" at best, "suspect, at worst."
"Let's do Pre-Heresy Miniatures. The books seem to be selling well."
"Good idea. Let's plan on doing them in the next four years."
"Fair enough. I'll get the 3d guys to start... wait a minute, what's this?"
"A petition from GW players, several thousand. They are requesting Pre-Heresy miniatures."
"Oh, well then, forget it. We'll put it on the back burner and hope they move on to something else."
So, for example, when the Pre-Heresy petitions being circulated over several Internet forums were delivered to GW HQ, the official word was "thanks for the input". However, the unofficial word was as follows:
- Core demographic group targeted by GW does not want Pre-Heresy, nor does it understand Pre-Heresy
- As a result, the chance of Pre-Heresy miniatures being released is very, very low.
One friend with GW told me, "The odds of this happening were 50/50. Now that this petition is in, they're more like 70/30 against."
I know, it's totally nuts, and I don't pretend to understand then logic behind it, but this is honest to truth what I was told again, and again, and again. If the public wants it, GW doesn't. Conversely, if the public isn't too keen on the idea, or even notably opposed to the idea, then HQ says "hey, let's give this some serious thought."
I suspect, though I have absolutely NO PROOF of this particular theory, that GW believes that its core demographic (described by GW management to me as "The mommy, buy it for me" demographic) has no interest in the kind of game it ran with Rogue Trader through Second Edition, or with Fantasy, with the earlier editions (not quite as dumbed down as 40k in recent years, to be fair, but getting there). Nor does that demographic particularly care about/have interest in "specialty games" like Epic, Bloodbowl, etc.
-Doc
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Doc, this is a sad statement. But it makes a little clearer why we end up with endless new versions of the same stuff instead of bringing out something new. I suspected a more financial background after reading some posts about it (Elves / Chaos Warriors / Space Marines sell, so focus on that, Dark Eldar, Tau,... whatever else is no chartbreaker so shift the priority to the top sellers or let them die out completely) and never guessed that they take a "Yes I want" for "This guy doesn't really understand what he wants".
This makes me curious how the company will look like in a few more years...
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The attitude of GW never surprises me. I once saw an internal video interview, (my wife worked at the production company that filmed it). One of the senior management was talking about the period in the late ninties when they decided that they wanted to "Sack the Veteran gamers from the hobby", because they were becoming a nuisance.
I suspect that same tactic is currently being pushed out again.
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I get the criticism, and yes some interesting miniatures as alternatives... but it is the cynicism that dissapoints me.
I suspect that the average LAFer is quite a bit older than GW's target market and as one ages one does tend to accumulate a fair whack of cynicism / wisdom. ;) :)
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An interesting side track:
On the other hand privateer press fans always say that “their guys” listen to them, how do you guys feel about that?
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Doc, this is a sad statement. But it makes a little clearer why we end up with endless new versions of the same stuff instead of bringing out something new. I suspected a more financial background after reading some posts about it (Elves / Chaos Warriors / Space Marines sell, so focus on that, Dark Eldar, Tau,... whatever else is no chartbreaker so shift the priority to the top sellers or let them die out completely) and never guessed that they take a "Yes I want" for "This guy doesn't really understand what he wants".
This makes me curious how the company will look like in a few more years...
I don't doubt that the GW decisions are partly predicated on finances, and yet for some reason, they do a variety of things that, in other businesses, would have brought about financial ruin or collapse years ago. How many times have members of this board (myself included) said, "this is the last year for GW"? Wasn't it in 2007 that a Hasbro buyout had been predicted? Or the industry analysts, after the major stockholder dumped six million pounds of shares on the market early in 2008, who said that the company "was probably not long for this world?"
And yet, amazingly, through either cooking the books or dumb luck, they survive. The core of the problem is probably the loyal contingent of fanboys, who, to quote another bulletin board, "would gladly accept GW rules requiring gamer chastity if it meant they got to keep their precious space marines".
WHGrimace -
I was told the same thing in the mid nineties, and then again a few years ago when working with GW Historical, but it's interesting that you saw it on tape!. Certainly, if nothing else, GW policy seems to be designed to alienate veteran gamers as much as possible.
What I do know is that, during my first interview, a marketing guy told me that GW's marketing objective was to "put a copy of our game under every tree at Christmas, and that means that older gamers may be feeling a bit left out. However, there's more money in the younger demographic."
-Doc
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That pig-thing reminded me of the Hogzilla hoax we had in Georgia a couple of years ago:
(http://blogs.sdf.unige.it/wordpressMU121/s2904850/files/2008/01/hogzilla.jpg)
Doc's story is completely believable. Any company that sells spray paint for $15 dollars really thinks their customers are retarded. What an insult.
Oh! and in honor of the pig:
(http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee148/Doomsdave/porkbillboard-1.jpg)
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MMMMM I like me some pig.... :P
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Man-Bear-Pig!!!
Seriously, I've been considering making a "Man Bear Pig" miniature for Forge of Ice. Tyson wants to sculpt one!
-Alex
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The people who support GW aren't the "mommy buy it types" but the older crowd with disposable income. I mean, is mommy really going to shell out a couple of thousand dollars for a complete army? Maybe bit by bit, piece by piece over a long while. I know people who spend thousands of dollars a YEAR.
Weird, so weird.
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How will GW look in a few years? How does it look now? No blisters in the store other than new releases, boxes of over priced plastic, reduced paint ranges....
"I want a Creed and Kell"
"Certainly buddy (buddy? you call me Sir, you sniveling red/black/blue shirt) here is our online computer, order here, it will be in the store in a week"
"I need it now..."
"No you need it in a week buddy (ARGH!)"
I reckon in five years..maybe 10, the stores will be fully online, lets see it cope then, GW's biggest advantage is the fact you can walk in the store, get harrased by the salesmen and come out with a product, not so if they dont stock product...
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How will GW look in a few years? How does it look now? No blisters in the store other than new releases, boxes of over priced plastic, reduced paint ranges....
"I want a Creed and Kell"
"Certainly buddy (buddy? you call me Sir, you sniveling red/black/blue shirt) here is our online computer, order here, it will be in the store in a week"
"I need it now..."
"No you need it in a week buddy (ARGH!)"
I reckon in five years..maybe 10, the stores will be fully online, lets see it cope then, GW's biggest advantage is the fact you can walk in the store, get harrased by the salesmen and come out with a product, not so if they dont stock product...
Oddly enough, Flip, it's almost exactly the opposite here in the states. The stores generally don't do well, and all but the biggest locations are being shut down fairly regularly. The hard sell attitude doesn't sit well with many consumers, especially those of us who are familiar with the universe, and don't need the GW company line. There are a few locations that do well, but they seem to be the exception, rather than the rule.
I think one of my most amusing memories has to be with taking my wife to a GW store for the first time. She's a long time wargamer herself, and watching the guy explain the "history of the miniatures hobby" and how Games Workshop "invented miniatures wargaming" while she looked on was pretty damned amusing, if I do say so myself;).
And I agree with you, bc, that there are many who spend thousands of dollars a year, but many of those include college kids who really don't have the money to spend, and younger types with very generous allowances. Back in Northern Virginia we had a kid who'd come into the local game store with his mother every other week, and she'd basically "buy his affection" by picking up between 800 and 1200 dollars worth of stuff with every visit. I didn't game at the store every day, and I was told that he wasn't the only one who had an arrangement like that.
What's amazing to me is to see these folks who have spent thousands of dollars on the hobby then throw the plastic into a big box, rarely if ever paint it, and just sort of sling it around like it's crumpled up newspaper.
-Doc
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Then don't buy GW miniatures...? ::)
While LAF has definitely expanded the horizons of my miniature hobby "stuff", if it wasn't for GW a lot of people wouldn't be in the hobby.
Does anyone else offer plastic minotaurs out there? No. The potential for converting (or "correcting" as some would put it) is also there... which no one seems to have pointed out. As well as not even using them for minotaurs at all... I see a lot of potential here.
I get the criticism, and yes some interesting miniatures as alternatives... but it is the cynicism that dissapoints me.
Anyway, carry on.
If you've read any of my other posts on GW-related threads you will hopefully have realised I do buy their stuff. They are not exactly renowned for admitting alternatives exist.
I have far too much of their LOTR range to ever get painted and the Tau are my current favourites for high-tech aliens in my 5150 games. LOTR has become ridiculousy over-priced and un-affordable for me. WFB is becoming a caricature-fest and I'm not generally a fan of the whole 40K thing. There are better priced alternatives to their superb washes and Vallejo paints are generally better than theirs. If the Tau get a "makeover" that is as bad as that given to the Minotaurs, then it's adios to GW for me.
Yes, they have introduced people to the hobby ( well, the (http://GW) hobby at least) and they have been innovative in many areas but any good they have done is rapidly disappearing in the rear-view mirror due to their "we know what's best for you" attitude.
I maintain the right to criticize any company that tries to sell me stuff, just as I will citicize the police or politicians etc that don't deliver. They do a good job - I praise them. Same for mini companies. There are many who do produce superb figures that people want and listen to customers requests etc..
I don't believe I am cynical in this case - or if I am, then it is cynicism that has been generated by GW and not by any closed-minded mentality of mine.
As ever, if you like their stuff and have a fat wallet then buy it. If you don't, tell the world and it might force improvements :)
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The people who support GW aren't the "mommy buy it types" but the older crowd with disposable income. I mean, is mommy really going to shell out a couple of thousand dollars for a complete army? Maybe bit by bit, piece by piece over a long while. I know people who spend thousands of dollars a YEAR.
Weird, so weird.
Yes they do! I've been in my local GW, trying to decide if I could really afford three blisters of Morannon Orcs, when I witnessed several parents buying whole armies totalling hundreds of pounds each :o
Wish I had a good job, or the balls to rob banks lol lol
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That pig-thing reminded me of the Hogzilla hoax we had in Georgia a couple of years ago:
(http://blogs.sdf.unige.it/wordpressMU121/s2904850/files/2008/01/hogzilla.jpg)
The only thing that spoils that pic for me is the bloke's gun. Far too small lol
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problem is, parents with big wallets have the kind of jobs that doesn't let them spend too much time with their kids, so they try to heal their bad conscience by shelling out these sums for their kids.
what animal is this?
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If GW went with every fanboy request then it would pandering to the masses, which can be a downfall of a company especially one so big. I mean if they went with every request (of over a certain amount of requestees) then they would eventually be inundated and not able to cope. Then they would have to say 'We're not doing requests anymore' and the populos would be even less happy than it is now.
They have cornered a certain market and will stick with it. There will always be new blood to introduce to their part of the hobby to keep them going and if the new blood moves over to a different side of the hobby then all to the good.
I still buy their products and play their games because I happen to like them. There are cheaper places to buy GW items than the stores or via their website :)
cheers
James
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what animal is this?
That is a lesser spotted Sus scrofa photoshoppicus ;)
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That is a lesser spotted Sus scrofa photoshoppicus ;)
I do believe tough they are becoming a plague in some parts.
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I do believe tough they are becoming a plague in some parts.
I've heard they've begun to learn to fly ;)
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Yeah I just got the same message.
AND CHAOS FALLOWS NO MANS RULES!!!!! lol!
Not even Spelling rules! Yeah! ;)
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I tried looking for this or similar items on youtube. The only thing I found was Hitler complaining to his staff about Chaos Black spraypaint going from Four pounds to Eight. lol
That doesn't really suprise me, though. The last time I was in a GW store it seemed to be more of a kiddie corner place. Too many loud and grabby pre-teens for my taste.
The attitude of GW never surprises me. I once saw an internal video interview, (my wife worked at the production company that filmed it). One of the senior management was talking about the period in the late ninties when they decided that they wanted to "Sack the Veteran gamers from the hobby", because they were becoming a nuisance.
I suspect that same tactic is currently being pushed out again.
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Not even Spelling rules! Yeah! ;)
But yet you still understood what I was saying just the same! isn't this language great!
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Does anyone else offer plastic minotaurs out there? No.
Actually yes.
I have at least two different makes upstairs.
The pre-painted D&D figures are quite good as classic minotaurs, but I also have some hard plastic unpainted ones (probably from an old boardgame like Heroquest but it may be something more recent like Descent)
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Actually yes.
I have at least two different makes upstairs.
The pre-painted D&D figures are quite good as classic minotaurs, but I also have some hard plastic unpainted ones (probably from an old boardgame like Heroquest but it may be something more recent like Descent)
GW also did some for Warhammer Quest. Rather boring minis, but plastic minotaurs none the less.
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I am no expert on pigs, by any means, but I did see an interesting show on the tube some time back that pretty much sold me on "Hogzilla" being rather a hoax.
You can pretty much feed a pig until it gets so large it can not move, so it is not unheard of for people to raise pigs to enormous size. What impressed me about this picture is what I learned about the skull of a wild pig vs. a farm raised pig. A wild pig/hog/boar will have a low, flattened and broadened skull, with almost no "forehead", where a far raised pig will have a more rounded head, like, well...a domesticated pig on any old farm.
A wild pig could most likely not get as big as Hogzilla, and even if it was able to...look at the skull on that thing!
I suppose I am supposed to include something GW to complete the relevance cycle...I boggle at some of the decisions they are making when they have models sculpted. I get the whole argument between plastic and metal, and plastic is cheaper and all of that...but some of their plastics look great while others are ridiculous. I suppose that is why I stopped buying their products years ago.
Ryan
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Plastics were moved to with the promise that prices would be lower. Haven't seen that yet...
At any rate, Plastic is only cheaper in the long term. Plastic molds can cost upwards of several thousand dollars each, which is why most of us have stuck with metal and resin where possible. The only reason you're seeing more of this, as far as I can tell, is that 3d printers are now within the realm of affordability, and many folks who own 3d printers feel that the plastic molds are worth the investment.
-Doc
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GW is moving to plastics, because it is cheaper for THEM, ie. they get a bigger profit margin. And it seems they're getting away with selling expensive plastics over metal. But I do think they're really beginning to reach the point, where even the most rabid GW fan is gonna hesitate when seeing the price tag. It's not only the recession/hard times we living, but simply common sense.
That, however, has nothing to do with the fact that these minotaurs look utterly horrid. And anyone trying to defend them is realy blind fanboi, or just blind. I mean, come on! They look clumsy, grotesque, unrealistic (as in muscle structure), like really, really bad action-figure toys.
Having said that, GW plastics aren't all stinkers. I ordered 3 sets of Citadel Woods the other day... and, no I don't play GW games.
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Having said that, GW plastics aren't all stinkers. I ordered 3 sets of Citadel Woods the other day... and, no I don't play GW games.
Their LOTR plastics are generally very good. They're looking a little tired compared to the stunning Victrix Naps and Perry Wars of the Roses, but still great figures. Even though not cheap, they are certainly more reasonably priced than the metal versions. Their scenic items are generally very good too and of course easily modified to de-GW them. The woods are great for any number of fantasy/horror/sci-fi or even "sensible" games :D
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I love the Cadian plastics, well I used to love them, 20 for £18, great stuff...Now its 10 for £12 and its not like theres any cool weapon or upgrade options..
You can however buy the 5 man boxes for a fiver each hmmmmm...
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Sorry, Gluteus. The "you" in my thread was a very general one, just so you know.
I maintain the right to criticize any company that tries to sell me stuff
I'm not denying anybody that. It just seems that this post looks just like the other one Thorbjørn Nielsen started last year. Same opinions, feelings, and "evidence"... ::)
And anyone trying to defend them is realy blind fanboi, or just blind. I mean, come on!
... or you could just like them, or could be waiting to actually see them to make a judgement.
See what I mean? :)
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Guys, I would say, enough of that. We repeat ourself. Topic closed.