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Miniatures Adventure => Colonial Adventures => Topic started by: mortimer on January 09, 2010, 10:28:50 AM
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Hi mates, I'm thinking in my next army... a German Army for colonial adventures...
I've seen the Copplestone Casting range (http://www.copplestonecastings.co.uk/range.php?range=DA)
and the Brigade Games one (http://www.brigadegames.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=WW1G)
How they fit? Some size problems? And, where else can I get some of these troops?
Finally, for an easy conversion, a prussian Herman Fleischer villain in Shout at the Devil film? Perhaps with a foundry donkey... where can I get a suitable miniature? I've found this range too Franco Prussian Foundry (http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/collections/FP/9/index.asp)
Thanks for your help!!!
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The copplestone are maybe a tad bigger than the Brigade ones but I use them together without hesitation. A potential Fleischer can be found in the Renegade Miniatures early WW1 command pack. It´s a bulky fellow with a cap that could easily be converted into a picklehaube.
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The copplestone are maybe a tad bigger than the Brigade ones but I use them together without hesitation.
I do the same.
A potential Fleischer can be found in the Renegade Miniatures early WW1 command pack. It´s a bulky fellow with a cap that could easily be converted into a picklehaube.
pickelhaube? why?
I have not seen the film,so, Ido not know how Fleischer looks. In East Africa, however, they had no pickelhaube and caps are very suitable!
more here:
http://www.germancolonialuniforms.co.uk/
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pickelhaube? why?
Because just sometimes, old pal, what is cool is better than what is right. :)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/Shout7.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/Shout8.jpg)
And I'll bet you cannot find conclusive evidence that not one single German ever wore a Pickelhaube while in German East. :)
I have not seen the film,so, Ido not know how Fleischer looks.
You really are missing out. It is classic Pulp Great War in Africa fun. One of my favourite films. A taste for you...
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/Shout4.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/Shout6.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/Shout3.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/Shout2.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/Shout1.jpg)
The Wilbur Smith novel the film is based upon is even better. A great action read, and darker than the film.
I used the Renegade figure suggested above for my Fleischer. I was a little too lazy to convert him into a Pickelhaube though, and left him in his cap. I'll see if I can find a photo of him. This thread has made me think about having another go, though and doing him again. The Foundry Darkest Africa Force Publique officer on a mule might come in handy for such a conversion.
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Found him...
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/Rabbi%20and%20tanks/17Fleischer.jpg)
Blimey, those Askari are looking a bit crummy. I'd like to think my painting has got a bit better since I did them (though I'm probably deluding myself). :)
As to the Foundry Franco-Prussian war range - I had the same idea, but they are much, much smaller than Copplestone, Brigade and Renegade. They look like hobbits next to them. I wouldn't advise it unless your attitude to size match-ups is extremely tolerant.
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Because just sometimes, old pal, what is cool is better than what is right. :)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/Shout8.jpg)
And he certainly looks very cool indeed! :D
I really enjoyed when it came out at the pictures. A great film and one I'm going to have to find on DVD.
Wow! Only £3.98 here:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Shout-Devil-DVD-Lee-Marvin/dp/B000P0JQ8W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1263044834&sr=8-1
;D
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"The Wilbur Smith novel the film is based upon is even better. A great action read, and darker than the film."
Very much so. The film *is* rather silly:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgEWSuajBCs
Oh, yes: don't miss Bilbo in a fez...
Allen
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"The Wilbur Smith novel the film is based upon is even better. A great action read, and darker than the film."
Very much so. The film *is* rather silly:
Oh, yes: don't miss Bilbo in a fez...
Allen
lol lol I never realised he was in it!
I really must read the book, though. For some reason I've only ever read a couple of Wilbur Smith's novels :?
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I don't mind silly films, but the book is one of the better reads from the author an a different ending.
I was actually thinking of the bald guy with monocle from the Brigade Games Western Front Germans range with his head sliced an a picklehaulbe attached - he has the look you know!
Helen
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Because just sometimes, old pal, what is cool is better than what is right. :)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/Shout7.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/Shout8.jpg)
No problem, but I cannot understand how this fat chap tolerate a pickelhaube in such a cilmate, he should have his brain boiled in it!
A good conversion is the only thing he needs.
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I use the figures interchangably. I primarily use the Cobblestone Figures for Offices and N.C.O.'s. Some of the later castings (Cobblestone) are a little larger but not by much. My naval unit from the Koingsberg is made of both manufacturers and it is the best wargame unit I have. I will look into "Shout at the Devil" I never heard of it before.
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I've used a Renegade mounted officer mounted on a Tiger miniatures donkey .
(http://www.renegademiniatures.com/ww1/images/wwig12.jpg)
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Thanks for the info!!! I'll try with the Renegade miniature... and with a foundry donkey...
It seems there isn't more manufacturers with a German East Africa Colonial range... :?
and a finally a question for mr. Plynkes, where can I find this minis?
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/Station Ridge/06MG.jpg)
Thanks again!!
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There are actually more manufacturers (but Brigade and Copplestone are the best for East Africa Germans):
To name a few:
Battle Honours
HLBS
Pulp figures
Seebatallion can be obtained from Redoubt, Old Glory
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There are actually more manufacturers (but Brigade and Copplestone are the best for East Africa Germans):
To name a few:
Battle Honours
HLBS
Pulp figures
Seebatallion can be obtained from Redoubt, Old Glory
Tiger Miniatures (incl. mule mounted Askari and germans)
http://tigerminiatures.co.uk/
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...and a finally a question for mr. Plynkes, where can I find this minis?
They are all Brigade Games figures. The gun and crew are from BG-WIAG10 (German (Europeans) in Sun Helmet HMG Teams) plus one fellow from BG-WIAG17 (German Sailor Command).
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/BG-WIAG17_sm.jpg)
The guy on the right.
You can get them from here...
http://www.brigadegames.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=SFNT (http://www.brigadegames.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=SFNT)
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There's a new book on German Colonial Troops that was just released about 3 months ago. Haven't seen it in hand but it was mentioned in the current update from On Military Matters. About $70US.
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£55.00 on Amazon and the illustration style on the cover looks a little stylised for me but still tempted.
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£25.75 on http://www.bookdepository.com (post free)... ;D
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£25.75 on http://www.bookdepository.com (post free)... ;D
Interesting. My original search on Amazon.ca said it had a release date of Oct.1, 2009 while other sources are showing it as not yet released. Good price, though. Amazon has it for $93CDN!
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£55.00 on Amazon and the illustration style on the cover looks a little stylised for me but still tempted.
That's actually a period illustration, I believe. I have the same one in an old issue of The Age of Empires magazine, along with a bunch of others including field guns in action, a wagon train being ambushed and Germans burying their dead (the action is from the Namakrieg). In the magazine they look great (colours and printing look slightly different from the version on that book cover making the whole thing look a bit more realistic). Personally I wish I had many more period pictures in this style. I really like them.
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I for one would be interested in seeing the inside contents of this book. In particular, covering Palestine and Georgia.
Thanks guys for the heads up.
Helen
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My one 'worry' about this book is that it is published by Schiffer. They have a distinctly spotty record when it comes to books. Some are excellent, with nice clear photos and text, while too many others remind you of the old Ballantine Books, where some photos might well have not been included at all, being heavy grained and so dark you could barely discern a summer-camouflaged vehicle on a field of snow!
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Site says it has 40 days to go to release.
£25.75 on http://www.bookdepository.com (post free)... ;D
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I just ordered it, I will post when it arrives ;)
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You really are missing out. It is classic Pulp Great War in Africa fun. One of my favourite films. A taste for you...
The Wilbur Smith novel the film is based upon is even better. A great action read, and darker than the film.
Need to come back to this topic as your info on this movie started my interest and I snapped it on Ebay and had a look at it yesterday. I'd say it's an ok colonial pulp film which can't decide if being a comedy or drama, but it was quite entertaining and had some real good props; no, definitely not the crocodile ... >:D
The version I bought seems to be heaviliy mutilated and all info on IMDB confirms this. But there is one thing in the film which I can't understand: wtf are the germans transporting through the grasland on huge wheeled carts, pulling on long ropes with hundreds of askaris? Just metal sheets for repairing the ship? Or are they building a secret landship? 8)
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Good question, as it tells the same story as of the real life "Königsberg" the wheels could be used to salvage the guns from the ship but I guess carts to transport the plates must be more likely since the ship was still operative at that point in time.
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Very interesting topic, I got a few Tiger Miniature figures now I need to expand.
and build a ship... or is it boat....
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...and build a ship... or is it boat....
If it carries another boat, life- or otherwise, it's a ship. Unless it's a submarine, which is a boat. Whatever, you still need a floaty thing.
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That ain't it. In the old days you had to have three square-rigged masts to count as a ship (hence HMAV Bounty, rather than HMS Bounty). In these newfangled days of vessels with engines there's no clear definition (just a vague sense of if it's big enough to warrant the name). You can put a dinghy on a racing yacht, but that don't make it a ship. :)
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That ain't it. In the old days you had to have three square-rigged masts to count as a ship (hence HMAV Bounty, rather than HMS Bounty). In these newfangled days of vessels with engines there's no clear definition (just a vague sense of if it's big enough to warrant the name). You can put a dinghy on a racing yacht, but that don't make it a ship. :)
Just when I thought I had started to understand nautical ways.... :(
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Hhm. I hoped I could get some info on this question from the film experts:
"wtf are the germans transporting through the grasland on huge wheeled carts, pulling on long ropes with hundreds of askaris? Just metal sheets for repairing the ship?"
:)
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It is steel plating to repair the ship. The book (which has a slightly more serious and less slapstick tone than the film - though the character of Flynn is equally larger-than-life) devotes several chapters to the British pursuit of the Blücher. She engages in battle with the British Cruiser Orion and the Destroyer Bloodhound and emerges triumphant but heavily damaged. The ship hides in the delta to make repairs and it is discovered that large quantities of steel plating are needed to effect these repairs, which must be hauled over land to them.
Can't remember, but I think the film glosses over all this without really explaining it.
(Sorry Admiral, forgot about your question - I'm easily distracted by other things :))
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(Sorry Admiral, forgot about your question - I'm easily distracted by other things :))
No problem and thanks for your infos, Plynkes! You're indeed correct, the film has no explanations for that at all.
Another thank you for pointing me to that movie, all in all it's a nice film for a colonial gamer.
:)
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...You can put a dinghy on a racing yacht, but that don't make it a ship. :)
True, but you can still 'ship out' on a yacht! ;)