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Title: Swedish VSF Army
Post by: argsilverson on January 18, 2010, 04:36:52 PM
While surfing I found some interesting photos (and laso some info on  Chakoten) about the Swedish Army early 1900's

They look very interesting:
http://medlem.spray.se/landsverk/uniform_m10.htm
&
http://forum.uniforminsignia.org/viewtopic.php?t=6362&sid=ed47c5029e38adc0e2547cf0e84294a2
&
http://www.chakoten.dk/cgi-bin/fm.cgi?n=1080

Anyone has any idea for making/converting any figures???
Title: Re: Swedish VSF Army
Post by: Dewbakuk on January 18, 2010, 06:39:38 PM
They wore Tri-corns! That's just awesome!

Seebattalian and fold up two more sides?
Title: Re: Swedish VSF Army
Post by: former user on January 18, 2010, 06:43:18 PM
how bizarre.
well, one can always make a round brim out of lead foil and fold it up...

or why nou simple headswaps with appropriate period miniatures?
Title: Re: Swedish VSF Army
Post by: traveller on January 18, 2010, 07:20:17 PM
I would go for conversions with 18th century Tricorns. You can then games a fictious invasion of Norway 1905. In reality the Swedes mobilised and war could have broken out if the negotioations wouldn´t have been successful.
Title: Re: Swedish VSF Army
Post by: commissarmoody on January 18, 2010, 07:25:58 PM
Yeah Martians could invade, or maybe ice trolls from the arctic lol
Title: Re: Swedish VSF Army
Post by: Red Orc on January 18, 2010, 08:08:25 PM
Maybe they could come to Atlantis (in 1890)?

Hint, hint.
Title: Re: Swedish VSF Army
Post by: Chairface on January 18, 2010, 08:21:39 PM
(http://medlem.spray.se/landsverk/uniformer_31.jpg)

It looks like the tricorne is only one of the options. What a lovely shade of blue.

Title: Re: Swedish VSF Army
Post by: argsilverson on January 18, 2010, 10:21:50 PM
You can then games a fictious invasion of Norway 1905. 
No need for that Norway was part of Sweden until 1904 I think, or sort of ...
-Swedish/Norvegian history is not my high point!
(http://medlem.spray.se/landsverk/uniformer_31.jpg)
It looks like the tricorne is only one of the options. What a lovely shade of blue.
I think this a little later 1905 onwards or so...
In fact my impression was that the swedish army should have worn kepis, pickelhaubes etc. When I saw the tricorns, I really was impressed.
Title: Re: Swedish VSF Army
Post by: nickinsomerset on January 18, 2010, 10:24:22 PM
Have a look at some of the early Swedish Napoleonics befor the Kiwer!
Title: Re: Swedish VSF Army
Post by: Gluteus Maximus on January 18, 2010, 10:30:43 PM
Wow! What fantastic uniforms. Perfect as generic VSF "baddies" (with apologies to all our Swedish "goodies"  ;) )

They have a real "Ruritanian" look to them and would do for any number of fictitious central-European powers.

If only someone would make some in 28mm  :(
Title: Re: Swedish VSF Army
Post by: former user on January 18, 2010, 11:24:12 PM
early WWI austrians with tricorn heads
even the wigs wouldn't bother me
Title: Re: Swedish VSF Army
Post by: Red Orc on January 18, 2010, 11:27:35 PM
...
They have a real "Ruritanian" look to them and would do for any number of fictitious central-European powers.

If only someone would make some in 28mm  :(

Oooh oooh! I was just about to post asking if anyone knew any 'generically central/east European' minis that could be Ruritanians, I find myself *in need* of some... actually, not 'in need' in any real sense, more, 'hey I've just had a great idea...Ruritanians!'.

That was about 6 hours ago. Funny how great minds think alike  ;)
Title: Re: Swedish VSF Army
Post by: former user on January 18, 2010, 11:31:29 PM
Do You mean Anthony Hope's Ruritania or
Ernest gellner's Ruritania or
perhaps Ruthenia?

and what time-setting? Interwar?
Title: Re: Swedish VSF Army
Post by: Red Orc on January 18, 2010, 11:38:55 PM
No I really mean Anthony Hope's Ruritania, Prisoner of Zenda, James Mason as Rupert of Hentzau being sinister, and all that. I don't know about Ernest Gellner... except having looked it up on the web, it appears my 8 or 10 times watching the movie (and once watching the 1980s TV re-working) have obliterated some of the 'facts' of Ruritania that I must have gleaned from my one reading... Hope's Ruritania is between Dresden and Prague, and not 'approximately Serbia' as I had imagined.

I was thinking 'circa 1890' as I tend to for VSF. Maybe 1891, it can be next year's project. Maybe even my next VSF campaign setting... disintergrating Balkan State, the Austrians, Russians, Germans, Turks all trying to take over, the British French and Italians throwing their weight around too... difficult to see how the Japanese Navy and Chinese warlords get involved, but I'll have a think.
Title: Re: Swedish VSF Army
Post by: Bullshott on January 18, 2010, 11:51:13 PM
I was thinking 'circa 1890' as I tend to for VSF. Maybe 1891, it can be next year's project. Maybe even my next VSF campaign setting... disintergrating Balkan State, the Austrians, Russians, Germans, Turks all trying to take over, the British French and Italians throwing their weight around too... difficult to see how the Japanese Navy and Chinese warlords get involved, but I'll have a think.

.... watch this space later in the year for some VSF Turks  ;)
Title: Re: Swedish VSF Army
Post by: former user on January 18, 2010, 11:53:37 PM
now You are mixing both
Hope's is purely german, something like Luxemburg or Liechtenstein (OK,OK, these are not actually german)
Gellner's is an eastern European country with nationalist aspirations trying to break free from an empire

anyway, now I know what You want - basically anything with fur hats will do
these are widespread from northern carpathia to albania, from hungaria to siberia
it is also archetypical eastern european (no, I don't have a fur hat fetish  :))
You are pretty free to use generic cossacks, hussars or any kind of uniform that has traditionally fur hats (no, not bearskins  ;))
Title: Re: Swedish VSF Army
Post by: argsilverson on January 19, 2010, 12:04:47 AM
.... watch this space later in the year for some VSF Turks  ;)

and my VSF Greeks
Title: Re: Swedish VSF Army
Post by: former user on January 19, 2010, 12:07:39 AM
and my VSF Greeks
these I would really like to see  ;)
the only thing that I can imagine is the cretan partisan outfit because VSF Evzones  lol lol lol

OK, Highlanders wear skirts too
Title: Re: Swedish VSF Army
Post by: argsilverson on January 19, 2010, 12:18:11 AM
No I really mean Anthony Hope's Ruritania, Prisoner of Zenda, James Mason as Rupert of Hentzau being sinister, and all that. I don't know about Ernest Gellner... except having looked it up on the web, it appears my 8 or 10 times watching the movie (and once watching the 1980s TV re-working) have obliterated some of the 'facts' of Ruritania that I must have gleaned from my one reading... Hope's Ruritania is between Dresden and Prague, and not 'approximately Serbia' as I had imagined.

I was thinking 'circa 1890' as I tend to for VSF. Maybe 1891, it can be next year's project. Maybe even my next VSF campaign setting... disintergrating Balkan State, the Austrians, Russians, Germans, Turks all trying to take over, the British French and Italians throwing their weight around too... difficult to see how the Japanese Navy and Chinese warlords get involved, but I'll have a think.

My Ruritania is purely german inspired! I used  some FPW Prussians. infantry for the royalists in blues and jaegers in rifle green for those of the duke -king's brother. next army -small- will austrians in white and red for the princess Lavia's regiment.
I have toyed with the idea that Ruritania shares its border with some nations, that have similar uniforms with Serbia/Montenegro, Greece, Turkey, Italy and probably Romania. All -or most of them- having in reality more or less colourful uniforms, although colour dominated is various shades of blue, but you can find red and green infantry, brown mountaineers, black and sky blue hussars plus guards in tradional uniforms in various other colours. Each fictional country allied and enemy of any of the other so a whole (tiny I must say) world to play
Title: Re: Swedish VSF Army
Post by: argsilverson on January 19, 2010, 12:28:35 AM
these I would really like to see  ;)
the only thing that I can imagine is the cretan partisan outfit because VSF Evzones  lol lol lol

OK, Highlanders wear skirts too
Oh yes:
Infantry in  blue jacket, sky blue pants (red piping and plumes)
cavalry in green hussar styled uniform
evzones in white with black ornaments
sailors eh, Ok, sailors are almost similar to british navy
gendarmes in olive green, cretan gendarmerie in dark blue with crimson piping
plus some foreign advisors -french advisors, italian carabinieri, danish advisors and guards and any other fictitious uniform you may add for variety
Title: Re: Swedish VSF Army
Post by: former user on January 19, 2010, 01:15:43 AM
what style is the uniform cut?
Title: Re: Swedish VSF Army
Post by: argsilverson on January 19, 2010, 01:29:03 AM
what style is the uniform cut?

Danish!

see here:
officers:
http://www.army.gr/multimedia/stoles/stoles/stoles07.htm

and other ranks:
http://www.army.gr/multimedia/stoles/stoles/stoles08.htm
Title: Re: Swedish VSF Army
Post by: Hammers on January 19, 2010, 07:42:42 AM
(http://medlem.spray.se/landsverk/uniformer_31.jpg)

It looks like the tricorne is only one of the options. What a lovely shade of blue.


The (http://Kungliga Livgardet till Häst) (Royal Horse Guards) still wears the uniform with kepi, but in a lighter blue.

The tricorn was a famously ill-judged national romantic relapse by General Quarter Masters harking back to the days of TYW and 7YW when Svenska Maneret was the scourge of the north and central Europe.  ::) It was of little use but to collect rainwater.
Title: Re: Swedish VSF Army
Post by: former user on January 19, 2010, 08:07:37 AM
thought it had something to do with the days of swedish supremacy....

about the utility - like a chapka or a shlem would have been of much use....
or a bearskin for that matter
Title: Re: Swedish VSF Army
Post by: Gluteus Maximus on January 19, 2010, 08:52:58 AM
No I really mean Anthony Hope's Ruritania, Prisoner of Zenda, James Mason as Rupert of Hentzau being sinister, and all that. I don't know about Ernest Gellner... except having looked it up on the web, it appears my 8 or 10 times watching the movie (and once watching the 1980s TV re-working) have obliterated some of the 'facts' of Ruritania that I must have gleaned from my one reading... Hope's Ruritania is between Dresden and Prague, and not 'approximately Serbia' as I had imagined.

I was thinking 'circa 1890' as I tend to for VSF. Maybe 1891, it can be next year's project. Maybe even my next VSF campaign setting... disintergrating Balkan State, the Austrians, Russians, Germans, Turks all trying to take over, the British French and Italians throwing their weight around too... difficult to see how the Japanese Navy and Chinese warlords get involved, but I'll have a think.

Me too!

Funny how great minds think alike  ;)

.... and fools rarely differ  :(


 lol lol
Title: Re: Swedish VSF Army
Post by: Red Orc on January 19, 2010, 02:04:40 PM

.... and fools rarely differ  :(


 lol lol

That too. Though I know it as 'fools seldom differ'. So if they do, it's not by any significant degree.  lol

Anyway; swedes, they're lovely, n'est-ce pas?