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Title: Robin hood Movie
Post by: Funghy-Fipps on January 25, 2010, 09:13:16 AM: I have to say I'm rather looking forward to this latest adaptation. At least Rob won't have an American accent this time (cue 'G'day Marion' quips...)...

http://www.youtube.com/v/KSqL9ygBCck&hl=en_US&fs=1&
Title: Re: Robin hood Movie
Post by: Centaur_Seducer on January 25, 2010, 09:36:47 AM: Ridley Scott:
- So boys, I just got this script for Robin Hood, it's rather boring isn't it?
- Yeah
- Well then, I'll take all the scrapped scenes from Gladiator and re-use. By the way, can someone call Russel? I need him on this one...
Title: Re: Robin hood Movie
Post by: white knight on January 25, 2010, 09:46:07 AM: Errol Flynn will always be the real Robin Hood. ;)
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Post by: cianty on January 25, 2010, 11:05:27 AM: Ha ha, indeed, "Gladiator 2" immediately came to mind. Well, I'm glad it's not Orlando Bloom - you'd think he has a subscribtion to lame archer roles. :P

EDIT: And it's funny to see them use the Caslon Antique font all over. Gives the trailer a GW feel.
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Post by: Hammers on January 25, 2010, 11:12:36 AM: I think Ridley Scott is one of the best directors around and casting Russel Crown doesn't hurt none, but, cone on!, isn't 'Robin Hood' a story which has been turned inside out one time too many?!
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Post by: Mad Doc Morris on January 25, 2010, 11:19:35 AM: Quote from: white knight on January 25, 2010, 09:46:07 AM
Errol Flynn will always be the real Robin Hood. ;)

Word! :)

I'm not overly impressed by this 'all new' version. Like that terrible King Arthur movie it pretends to tell the 'real' story, but fails to simply deliver a somewhat original approach to a well-known story. I'm also bored by Hollywood's repeated trial to add depth to shallow plots by giving protagonists some kind of serious background and motivation that (they think) appeals to nowadays audiences.

That said, I really loved Gladiator despite all its inaccuracy. So I wouldn't mind to see the Spaniard, only accidentally killed by Scott, once more.
Title: Re: Robin hood Movie
Post by: Funghy-Fipps on January 25, 2010, 11:44:04 AM: Quote from: Mad Doc Morris on January 25, 2010, 11:19:35 AM
Like that terrible King Arthur movie it pretends to tell the 'real' story

I don't think that any Robin Hood movie can claim to tell the 'true story' of such an enigmatic figure who belongs more to folklore than history. Certainly from the trailer I would say the representation of 12th century England looks fairly restrained, though doubtless containing inaccuracies enough to set the teeth of the anal gnashing. The historical context in which it is set is also 'real', so comparisons to the truly godawful King Arthur (which, amongst other inanities, has the Saxons landing far north of Hadrian's Wall in the Highlands) are probably a bit below the belt. Like Gladiator, I'm expecting this to be an enjoyable romp that makes a change from the usual CGI-packed nonsense Hollywood regularly shats out (Transformers 3, or whatever).

Quote from: cianty on January 25, 2010, 11:05:27 AM
Well, I'm glad it's not Orlando Bloom

Me too! Actually, I've just read that Max von Sydow plays Marion's father. Fair enough!
Title: Re: Robin hood Movie
Post by: cianty on January 25, 2010, 01:08:28 PM: A problem for me is that I know the story all too well. So in order to appeal to me, and I guess to a majority of viewers, the film needs to be good on a number of levels (characters, atmosphere, swashbuckling action). It's like watching/buying DVDs of known films: I do so despite already knowing the story-line, but because the experience as a whole is great, visually and emotionally. Robin Hood is probably one of the best examples, if not the best, where this has to be kept in mind when approaching yet another remake. Unless it is targeted at action film teen audiences only...
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Post by: Captain Blood on January 25, 2010, 01:17:36 PM: Oh - I thought this was the one which was going to be called 'Nottingham' and tell the story from the other side, with RC as the misunderstood Sheriff, and someone else playing Robin Hood as a kind of murderous terrorist criminal.

Is that this one, or something different?

I must admit the look of the trailer is incredibly akin to 'Gladiator'.
I wonder if they filmed the forest scenes in the woods outside Newbury again? ;)

That said, although I hated 'Gladiator' on first viewing (the dodgy CGI tiger, the armour inaccuracies, and the fact that the ancient Germans were using the chanting from 'Zulu' - in Zulu! - for Crissakes... ) I've gradually come to love it for it's many good bits. And secretly, I do rather like RC, even though he comes across as a bit of an objectionable knob in real life. For one who started in 'Neighbours'! I thought he was brilliant in Master and Commander. Wish they'd make another one of those...
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Post by: JollyBob on January 25, 2010, 01:55:02 PM: Well, at least he won't be the first Antipodean to try the role - the mighty Errol was a Tasmanian, after all.

And lets face it, Crow is always good value in a punchy, shouty movie, Ridley Scott is usually worth his money, and it can't be any worse than the recent BBC series. Or Costner's version.

Who would you say was the second best Robin after Flynn? Gotta be Connery, hasn't it?
Title: Re: Robin hood Movie
Post by: Astor on January 25, 2010, 02:03:35 PM: I think it looks interesting, although I don't know very much about the period, so i'll likely be blissfully unaware of all but the most glaring inaccuracies. I think i'll definitely be going to see this when it comes out.
Title: Re: Robin hood Movie
Post by: Funghy-Fipps on January 25, 2010, 03:21:13 PM: Quote from: JollyBob on January 25, 2010, 01:55:02 PM
Who would you say was the second best Robin after Flynn? Gotta be Connery, hasn't it?

Which one? Senior in Robin and Marian (1976) or Junior in Robin of Sherwood series 3 (1986)? ;)
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Post by: JollyBob on January 25, 2010, 03:26:59 PM: Senior!

Gah! I'd forgotten about the very bad decision to have a new Robin in the series. Michael Praed wasn't the best actor, but he was streets ahead of young Jason. :-X
Title: Re: Robin hood Movie
Post by: white knight on January 25, 2010, 03:28:46 PM: I thought the Richard Todd movie (The Story of Robin Hood, 1952)was a good movie in the Errol Flynn style, though it also needs to be said that the actor simply did not look the part.

As a kid I loved the Disney animated movie.

Anyone seen the Russian one (Robin Hood's Arrows (Strely Robin Guda, Стрелы Робин Гуда), 1957) ? ;)
Title: Re: Robin hood Movie
Post by: Funghy-Fipps on January 25, 2010, 03:32:34 PM: Quote from: Captain Blood on January 25, 2010, 01:17:36 PM
Oh - I thought this was the one which was going to be called 'Nottingham' and tell the story from the other side, with RC as the misunderstood Sheriff, and someone else playing Robin Hood as a kind of murderous terrorist criminal.

Actually it is, but there were problems with the script and in the end they decided to run with the conventional 'Robin Hood and his Merry Men vs. the Evil Sheriff of Nottingham and his cronies' format instead. Apparently Scott wasn't impressed by the last 'serious' 'Hood film - Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves, 1991 - and thought he could do better. The original 'Nottingham' idea would have been more interesting, though, I must admit!

UPDATE: Interesting link (http://medievalnews.blogspot.com/2009/03/new-account-found-about-robin-hood.html)that reveals medieval attitudes towards Robin weren't all positive.
Title: Re: Robin hood Movie
Post by: axabrax on January 25, 2010, 03:36:54 PM: Looks good to me. I love anything by Ridley Scott.
Title: Re: Robin hood Movie
Post by: Centaur_Seducer on January 25, 2010, 05:04:19 PM: Quote from: JollyBob on January 25, 2010, 01:55:02 PM
And lets face it, Crow is always good value in a punchy, shouty movie
I've always prefered the high pitch (and a bit pre-teen) squeel of Tom Cruise...
Title: Re: Robin hood Movie
Post by: Funghy-Fipps on January 25, 2010, 06:38:46 PM: Quote from: white knight on January 25, 2010, 03:28:46 PM
Anyone seen the Russian one (Robin Hood's Arrows (Strely Robin Guda, Стрелы Робин Гуда), 1957) ? ;)

Do you mean 1976? Here's (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075274/usercomments) a review I found on IMDb. Wow, a Soviet Robin Hood musical! It certainly seems rather peculiar, but I guess the Soviet ideologues would have been attracted to Robin Hood's altruism, even if they didn't really demonstrate it themselves! Certainly obscure enough to pique my interest, though.

Quote from: Silversixx on January 25, 2010, 05:04:19 PM
I've always prefered the high pitch (and a bit pre-teen) squeel of Tom Cruise...

:P
Title: Re: Robin hood Movie
Post by: white knight on January 25, 2010, 06:42:04 PM: yeah, 1976, sorry. :)
Title: Re: Robin hood Movie
Post by: assi on January 26, 2010, 08:04:19 AM: Gladiator vs evil Prince John?
..I'm loving it already.

I think Movies like that need a different viewing approach: Don't expect a historcial Movie with some nice Action Scenes, expect an Action Movie with a nice historical aftertaste. lol
Title: Re: Robin hood Movie
Post by: Hammers on January 26, 2010, 09:57:13 AM: This reminds me: I used to have quite a thing for Judy Trott (Lady Marion) in the 1980s TV series some 30 years ago. I found her exceedingly beautiful, what with her Prerafaelitic stature and good looks:

(http://www.robinofsherwood.org/SA/photos/guests04.jpg)

*Sigh!*
Title: Re: Robin hood Movie
Post by: Malamute on January 26, 2010, 10:34:08 AM: Quote from: Hammers on January 26, 2010, 09:57:13 AM
This reminds me: I used to have quite a thing for Judy Trott (Lady Marion) in the 1980s TV series some 30 years ago. I found her exceedingly beautiful, what with her Prerafaelitic stature and good looks:

(http://www.robinofsherwood.org/SA/photos/guests04.jpg)

*Sigh!*

Yes she's a beauty alright, reminds me of Mrs M. :D
Title: Re: Robin hood Movie
Post by: JollyBob on January 26, 2010, 10:40:20 AM: Was she standing behind you while you were typing?
Title: Re: Robin hood Movie
Post by: Hammers on January 26, 2010, 10:44:31 AM: Quote from: JollyBob on January 26, 2010, 10:40:20 AM
Was she standing behind you while you were typing?

Be nice. :)
Title: Re: Robin hood Movie
Post by: JollyBob on January 26, 2010, 10:47:20 AM: He knows I'm just joshing. :D
Title: Re: Robin hood Movie
Post by: Malamute on January 26, 2010, 11:01:03 AM: Quote from: JollyBob on January 26, 2010, 10:40:20 AM
Was she standing behind you while you were typing?

lol lol lol
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Post by: OSHIROmodels on January 26, 2010, 01:02:02 PM: Anyone remember the Pat Birgin version, a bit roapy in places but I thought it was quite a good version (apart from Uma Therman and the very end bit with the blossoming tree).

Looking forward to this one though, bit of thigh slapping fun :D

cheers

James
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Post by: Plynkes on January 26, 2010, 01:06:32 PM: My favourite Hood, like my favourite Bond, is Sean Connery. Love that film, a Robin Hood story with real drama and emotion - love it, love it, love it. The Michael Praed TV series is a very close second, though. I remember loving Ray Winstone as a very antagonistic and arsey Will Scarlet, and unless my memory is playing me false, John Rhys Davies of Indy and LotR fame was King Richard.
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Post by: HerbyF on January 26, 2010, 01:36:28 PM: Yah I do have to say 'Robin and Marion' with Sean Connery is my all time favorite movie version.
Title: Re: Robin hood Movie
Post by: white knight on January 26, 2010, 05:20:43 PM: Quote from: jimbibbly on January 26, 2010, 01:02:02 PM
Anyone remember the Pat Birgin version, a bit roapy in places but I thought it was quite a good version (apart from Uma Therman and the very end bit with the blossoming tree).

I do. Considering it was originally intended as a TV-movie but later blown up for the bog screen, it wasn't too bad. Agree about Uma Thurman not fitting in though.
Title: Re: Robin hood Movie
Post by: oxiana on January 27, 2010, 01:18:08 PM: Gladiator 2? Did anyone ever see the treatment that Russell Crow commissioned Nick Cave to write? Utterly bonkers. Maximus meddles with Roman gods in the afterlife, is reincarnated, defends early Christians, reunites with his son, and ultimately lives forever – leading tanks in the second world war and even mucking around in the modern-day Pentagon... ;D

http://goneelsewhere.wordpress.com/2008/04/15/gladiator-2-script-review/

PS. My vote is for Errol Flynn in glorious technicolour. Always! :D
Title: Re: Robin hood Movie
Post by: JollyBob on January 27, 2010, 02:24:35 PM: Quote from: oxiana on January 27, 2010, 01:18:08 PM
Gladiator 2? Did anyone ever see the treatment that Russell Crow commissioned Nick Cave to write? Utterly bonkers. Maximus meddles with Roman gods in the afterlife, is reincarnated, defends early Christians, reunites with his son, and ultimately lives forever – leading tanks in the second world war and even mucking around in the modern-day Pentagon... ;D

http://goneelsewhere.wordpress.com/2008/04/15/gladiator-2-script-review/

:o

I want this to be made. Now.

Hop to it!
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Post by: Hammers on January 27, 2010, 02:43:38 PM: Bwaaa-hahaha!
Title: Re: Robin hood Movie
Post by: assi on November 15, 2010, 02:00:35 PM: Quote from: Bezzo on November 15, 2010, 01:48:31 PM
...but landing craft with drop down ramps?? Come on.

You the "Saving Private Hood" - Part? I loved it! lol
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Post by: Captain Blood on November 15, 2010, 02:01:31 PM: Quote from: Bezzo on November 15, 2010, 01:48:31 PM
All I have to say is I was almost, sort of, enjoying it until the french landing craft scene! What the **** was that! I know we are not taking this entertainment as archaeologically accurate to any large degree but landing craft with drop down ramps?? Come on.

A fatal combination of influences - Saving Private Ryan meets Orcs crossing to Osgiliath.

Ridley Scott is famously a magpie when it comes to borrowing and recycling cliched / dramatic moments from other movies he has enjoyed.
Witness (sorry, yes, I know I keep going on about it - but only because it's such an outrageous steal) the Zulu chanting of the German tribesmen in the opening battle in Gladiator. A straight and unashamed lift from a classic movie sequence in 'Zulu'.
::)
Title: Re: Robin hood Movie
Post by: Hammers on November 15, 2010, 02:12:22 PM: Ridley Scott is a favorite of mine and he is in no way alone in 'stealing' for others. Themselves, they call it 'homages'.

It is all in how elegantly you do it. In the Gladiator/Zulu case I think it is fine. This Robin Hood film not so much.

Plus it is high time he chucks Russel Crowe. He has to big an ego to do interesting roles.
Title: Re: Robin hood Movie
Post by: assi on November 15, 2010, 03:42:11 PM: Imho R Scott never tried to achieve historical Accuracy, he tries to achieve entertainment, and:

Are you not entertained? *waves his bloody sword*

I usually take stuff like this, like I take Lotr. With a light heart and a big bucket of popcorn. And i never regretted it :)
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Post by: Captain Blood on November 15, 2010, 04:15:52 PM: Yes, it's always entertaining stuff, even when bits are so obviously derivative.
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Post by: FifteensAway on November 17, 2010, 07:49:43 PM: I'm right there with the Saving Private Hood group. And I'm right there with movies are ENTERTAINMENT - not history group! (History on film is called Documentary, yes?)

But this version of Robin Hood? I'll take Prince of Thieves over this one - it did have Morgan Freeman, after all. Erroll Flynn version? Always the tops - and stands pretty well the test of time.

Ridley Scott? Take him or leave him, is my take. Sometimes I can take what he does, sometimes his movies elicit a large yawn.

Sean Connery version? Well, well, I'll have to track that one down and check it out.

Russell Crowe - I actually like his performances. We could be saddled with Colin Ferrel (sp?) Good way to lose breakfast, lunch, and dinner in one cleansing act of vomit. Yeck. Perish the thought.

FifteenAway casting off
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Post by: assi on November 17, 2010, 08:05:40 PM: Quote from: FifteensAway on November 17, 2010, 07:49:43 PM

Sean Connery version? Well, well, I'll have to track that one down and check it out.

If you mean "Robin and Marian": Its one of the best free Interpretations I've seen. Definitly a MustSee!
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Post by: Hammers on November 18, 2010, 09:26:36 AM: Quote from: FifteensAway on November 17, 2010, 07:49:43 PM
I'm right there with the Saving Private Hood group. And I'm right there with movies are ENTERTAINMENT - not history group! (History on film is called Documentary, yes?)

But this version of Robin Hood? I'll take Prince of Thieves over this one - it did have Morgan Freeman, after all. Erroll Flynn version? Always the tops - and stands pretty well the test of time.

Ridley Scott? Take him or leave him, is my take. Sometimes I can take what he does, sometimes his movies elicit a large yawn.

Sean Connery version? Well, well, I'll have to track that one down and check it out.

Russell Crowe - I actually like his performances. We could be saddled with Colin Ferrel (sp?) Good way to lose breakfast, lunch, and dinner in one cleansing act of vomit. Yeck. Perish the thought.

FifteenAway casting off

What ever. One thing is clear: there has never been a better Marion than Judy Trott. She gave my heart a jolt back in the 80s which wont go away. :-*
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Post by: Captain Blood on November 18, 2010, 11:23:25 AM: Quote from: FifteensAway on November 17, 2010, 07:49:43 PM

Russell Crowe - I actually like his performances. We could be saddled with Colin Ferrel

I agree. I actually like Russell Crowe as an actor.

Compare Colin Farrell as Alexander. Truly laughable and appalling. What I like best, is that because Colin Farrell can't do accents, the entire cast playing the Macedonian court all had to assume Irish accents, so that the Macedonians were Irish, and everyone else was English / American, including poor old Val Kilmer, as Philip of Macedon, struggling along under an eyepatch and a terrible cod Irish brogue... Dire.
Title: Re: Robin hood Movie
Post by: Verderer on November 18, 2010, 11:57:44 AM: Quote from: assi on November 15, 2010, 02:00:35 PM
You the "Saving Private Hood" - Part? I loved it! lol

I dunno whether it was meant as a joke, or a serious scene? I mean, were the poor bastards meant to row those monstrosities (Higgins boats (LCVP) set up with oars and painted in wood colour) all the way from France??? In any case it was totally, completely wrong. Up till that point I had patiently ignored the crappy plot (why do we have double pair of an evil monarch and his vile henchman - the king of France & and King John, and Godfrey and the Sheriff of N??? What does this bring to the movie? Why do we have to include Magna Charta in here? Why isn't robin Locksley but some nobody by the name of Longstride? Is this a socialist movie?)

Anyways, after the invasion of Saving private Ryan we also get Lord of the Rings in the beach fight when Galadriel, ehm no, Eowyn, no sorry Marian aka. Cate Blanchet enter the fight dressed up as a knight, disguised by her armour. And not only that, the 'orphans of Sherwood' (aka the Peter Pan bunch) are charging with her, riding some Shetland Ponies?! Really, she's taking some 10-years olds to a battle? Are they Hobbits or what?

I felt insulted by these gross underestimations of the viewer. What utter drivel. Even if the movie was rated as PG13 in the USA, and UK13 in the UK (same as Harry Potter I believe?), there's no call for such stupidity. I have to wonder what's going on in the mind of Ridley Scott? I mean, this is the man who directed Blade Runner and Alien? Has he gone soft in the head like George Lucas (the prequel shit)?
Title: Re: Robin hood Movie
Post by: white knight on November 18, 2010, 05:21:49 PM: Glad I gave this a miss from the sounds of it.

I also seem to recall a version with Richard Todd which I have fond childhood memories of, though not as good as the erroll flynn version.
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Post by: Doug ex-em4 on November 18, 2010, 08:03:41 PM: Regarding accents - specifically Irish ones. Poor little Russell got in a terrible strop when interviewed on BBC Radio 4 and the interviewer suggested his accent in Robin Hood owed more to Ireland than the East Midlands. Every toy in the pram was despatched over the side.

Doug
Title: Re: Robin hood Movie
Post by: assi on November 19, 2010, 07:46:36 AM: Quote from: white knight on November 18, 2010, 05:21:49 PM
Glad I gave this a miss from the sounds of it.

I, personally, really liked the first half/third of the Movie, the Siege, the homecoming, etc. So I'd say its not a total loss and it even may make it into my DVD Shelf. And: You can turn off the DVD before the Beach Scene starts ;)
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Post by: Arthur on November 22, 2010, 01:26:32 AM: I am generally a Ridley Scott aficionado and yet I was disappointed too, although I suspect the film's shortcomings have a lot to do with its troubled genesis. As previous posters have pointed out, it was originally entitled Nottingham and was meant to be a revisionist take on the Robin Hood mythology, with the Sheriff as the good guy and Robin as some sort of medieval proto-terrorist. Scott himself apparently saw the Sheriff as a conflicted hero torn between his duty and his personal feelings. At some point in pre-production though, the studio (or possibly Russell Crowe wearing his producer's cap) got cold feet and decided to play it safe by reverting to a much more commercial formula, complete with one-dimensional villains and a politically correct, democracy-loving hero liable to appeal to audiences on the American market.

Although several writers were successively involved, there were still major problems with the screenplay and numerous rewrites ensued, which delayed shooting by several months. Tom Stoppard was even called in to rework the script while Scott was filming, a sure indicator that the production did not quite know where it was headed.

The film's lack of fire and conviction may well have a lot to do with this erratic pre-production history. Although he handles the visuals in his usual assured manner, Scott does not appear to be terribly convinced by the script he has to work with. The net result is that everyone involved is playing it by the numbers, with the exception of Mark Strong who does a dashing villain with just the right touch of complexity and ambiguity. He was certainly the best and most intersting thing in the film for me.

As for the 'history' of the film and its Saving Squire Ryan climax, it's best not taken seriously, although it's not entirely unreasonable on the part of the audience to expect the filmmakers not to rewrite and reinvent said history altogether. But I very much doubt there would be a point in explaining Ridley Scott and company that it was John Lackland who tried to invade France after Richard's death rather than the other way around.
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Post by: mweaver on November 24, 2010, 01:40:16 AM: Actually, the French did invade England during the latter part of John's reign. They only got away with it because the barons were also whacking away at John, poor fellow.

I still haven't seen this film. I used to buy ex-rental DVDs cheap about a month after release, but the rental store I bought 'em from went belly-up, alas, and it has thrown a monkey-wrench in my movie watching habits.

I figure it can't possibly be worse than Robin Hood, Prince of Turkeys (some decent actors scattered about in that film, but not nearly enough to save it).

Not a huge fan of the Errol Flynn version (probably the tights), so for me the best Robin Hood film is Robin and Marian. I do love the old Praed/Connery TV series.