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Miniatures Adventure => Pikes, Muskets and Flouncy Shirts => Topic started by: Prof.Witchheimer on May 24, 2007, 10:25:04 PM
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I'm planning to do an african pirates crew. Medium-term planning :) But i have no idea about their ships. Any ideas/suggestions? Pics are very welcome.
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The Barbary states of nothern Africa used light, fast dhows of arab origin.
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found one, looks great, like it
(http://www.catnaps.org/islamic/islamgraphics/baghala.jpg)
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The sails remind me of the corsair ships in Return of the King.
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This site has some good info on dhows, and how to model them:
http://www.zeitcom.com/majgen/52dhow.html
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The sails remind me of the corsair ships in Return of the King.
Exactly wherer they got the idea from :mrgreen: Barbary Corsairs :)
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I'm planning to do an african pirates crew. Medium-term planning :) But i have no idea about their ships. Any ideas/suggestions? Pics are very welcome.
well i see that we have the same idea ! North african pirates from the barbary states....
i think i'll use some Renaissance Ottoman or something like that from OG:
(http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/5182/oxt28cf4.gif)
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You could found a 15mm range at http://www.thoroughbredmodels.com/SeaEagles.htm
(http://thoroughbredmodels.com/images/TB01T15mmTripPirates.jpg)
They sell ship around 1800's too.
(http://thoroughbredmodels.com/images/22GunSloop.jpg)
Stéphane[/img]
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In fact dhows were used in the indian's ocean, in mediteranean sea they used galley or some other boat from the galley's familly:
(http://www.mandragore2.net/dico/lexique2/navires2/galere-1-gd.jpg)
Stéphane
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You could found a 15mm range at http://www.thoroughbredmodels.com/SeaEagles.htm
(http://thoroughbredmodels.com/images/TB01T15mmTripPirates.jpg)
Wow, are those really 15mm figures?
They look a lot better than quite a few 25mm/28mm offerings.
Nice.
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I don't have got these miniatures. But, like you, I'm surprise to know they are 15mm. In fact, I belive it's probably "big" 15 more 18mm.
Stéphane
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You could also try Venexia miniatures' Ottoman range for 15mm types - fantastic models - trouble is their website is currently offline for refurbishment. They do have a British agent, Vexilla, I believe.
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Here another picture about this theme. Hope that you help ;)
(http://perso.club-internet.fr/theilsb/CI_Albums/Figus/CI_Galere_ottomane_net.jpg)
Stéphane
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Here are some construction ideas from Major General Tremorden Rederring's page. Its a colonial site, but dhows haven't changed much!
http://www.zeitcom.com/majgen/52dhow.html
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For 25/28mm pirates Eureka also has a range that includes some Turkish pirates which might work: http://eurekamin.com.au/index.php?cPath=87_126_170&sort=3a .
This is also a long-term ambition of mine. I had thought about getting one of the Old Glory Lepanto galleys since I already have a 25mm Brigantine, but those Thoroughbred figures and ships really have me thinking about 15mm now...
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When the galley became out-of-date the xebec/chebec became the favored ship type of the Barbary corsairs. It was basically a sailing ship but could be rowed if necessary. It was fast, highly manoveurable, and quite well armed with ca. 20 guns. The xebec proved to be more than a match for the fast European frigates. In the middle of the 18th century the French and Spanish saw their only chance in dealing with the pirates by copying the ship design and building xebecs themselves.
http://www.admiraltyshipmodels.co.uk/acatalog/Chebec_Xebec_Ship_Models.html
http://www.modelships.de/Schebecke,_arabisch/Chebec_arabian.htm
http://www.falconstein.de/product_info.php?products_id=78
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One of the finer points of the xebec is that it can sail well with a beam wind - something a square-rigged ship has a bit of trouble with (by the same token, a square-rigger goes faster with the wind from her aft). When you're in the Med, this means a xebec can sail North-South faster than a square-rigger - handy for darting out of a fortified harbor, hitting your target, then turning and sailing for home.
I also think xebecs can point higher into the wind than square-riggers. Bermuda rigs can, and that's another fore-and-aft rigging. But I'm not certain on this.
A major plot point of "Master and Commander" is that Jack Aubrey's little sloop is pursued by a Spanish xebec-rigged frigate.
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We do a basic dhow: http://www.blackcatbases.com/product.asp?strPageHistory=category&numSearchStartRecord=0&strParents=99&CAT_ID=99&P_ID=580&btnProduct=Products... we also do african and turkish crew: http://www.blackcatbases.com/product.asp?strPageHistory=category&numSearchStartRecord=0&strParents=117&CAT_ID=117&P_ID=560&btnProduct=Products... which will be added to soon, we have loads of new releases over the next month! Most of which will be available at Salute as pre release!
Jo:)
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One of the finer points of the xebec is that it can sail well with a beam wind - something a square-rigged ship has a bit of trouble with (by the same token, a square-rigger goes faster with the wind from her aft). When you're in the Med, this means a xebec can sail North-South faster than a square-rigger - handy for darting out of a fortified harbor, hitting your target, then turning and sailing for home.
I also think xebecs can point higher into the wind than square-riggers. Bermuda rigs can, and that's another fore-and-aft rigging. But I'm not certain on this.
A major plot point of "Master and Commander" is that Jack Aubrey's little sloop is pursued by a Spanish xebec-rigged frigate.
Yes, lateen-rigged ships are more efficient at sailing close-hauled than square-rigged ships.
(http://www.geocities.com/xebecinc/xebecrig2.jpg)
The left ship is a "classic" lateen-rigged xebec and the right ship is polacre-rigged xebec which was developed in the 18th century in order to combine the advantages of both rigging-styles
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Yes, lateen-rigged ships are more efficient at sailing close-hauled than square-rigged ships.
(http://www.geocities.com/xebecinc/xebecrig2.jpg)
The left ship is a "classic" lateen-rigged xebec and the right ship is polacre-rigged xebec which was developed in the 18th century in order to combine the advantages of both rigging-styles
They tried the same rig on brigantines, with the lateen rig on the mizzenmast. Those are "hermaphrodite" brigs. They were legendarily indifferent sailors on all points of sail, and kind of complicated to rig.
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I don't think this has been mentioned before, but if so I apologize :)
The Virtual Armchair General stocks card Dhow and Junk models. You can either buy them as a kit or as PDFs on CDs:
http://fauxtoys.com/tvag/511-Send-Gunboat-2.html
(http://fauxtoys.com/tvag/pictures/Dhow-1.jpg)
(http://fauxtoys.com/tvag/pictures/Junk-1.jpg)
The CD version is a good deal, as you can obviously print off a fleet if required.
I know card models are not everyone's cup of tea, but for those of us who are hamfisted oafs, with little money, they can be a very attractive option.
Patrick is a good guy and is a pleasure to do business with.
Cheers,
Ian
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Hi Prof. W.,
I am building a Barbary Pirates / Corsairs ship & crew.
I have photos here if you'd like to take a gander:
http://6mm-minis.blogspot.com/2008/04/mini-wargaming-28mm-barbary-pirates-27.html
Please keep us informed as to the staus of your project... I'd like to follow it. If only we could all be as insanely productive as Paul Matakishi!
Shalom,
Maksim-Smelchak.
http://6mm-minis.blogspot.com/
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For 25/28mm pirates Eureka also has a range that includes some Turkish pirates which might work: http://eurekamin.com.au/index.php?cPath=87_126_170&sort=3a .
I thing that these corsaries from Eureka look like more "arabic" (indian ocean) than "barbaresques" (mediteranean and atlantic seas) ones.
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In some quarters the lateen sailed ships of the Barbary Corsairs were called xebecs, xebecca, and the like.
Just in case you're surfing or in need of another search term. :mrgreen: