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Title: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Mansworth on April 04, 2010, 08:48:05 PM

Hi all

This is a project Ive been working on and off for about two years now. I will post some pics as soon as ive taken some.

Im creating a VSF armegeddon game where the martians are taking revenge on the failed invasion by sending an asteroid to wipe out london. And the brits have dispatched a task force to stop it. I'm planning this game using GASLIGHT and using 18mm martian empire figures

The novel feature of this is that the Asteroid is not a flat wargames table but a actual model asteroide. I have managed to find a metallic coating that allows the models to stick to the surface using magnets and thus the entire asteroid surface becomes the battle ground.

I hope to have the basic game done in early June. Im gonna post stuff here to log my progress.

The status so far is im just finishing up on modeling the asteroid and about to add the magnetic coating to the asteroid. Got some test 18mm figgs partly painted up and waiting for the magnets to arrive.

Rich
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Mansworth on April 04, 2010, 08:53:14 PM
(http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr63/Moleye/DSCF1218.jpg)

While i sort some pics of the current asteroid, heres a pic of the first one i made. It worked well, but was not very playible for various reasons. The new ones a bit more smoother and has a intergrated stand.
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Steve F on April 04, 2010, 09:54:26 PM
The novel feature of this is that the Asteroid is not a flat wargames table but a actual model asteroide. I have managed to find a metallic coating that allows the models to stick to the surface using magnets and thus the entire asteroid surface becomes the battle ground.

I hope to have the basic game done in early June. Im gonna post stuff here to log my progress.

Sound marvellous.  I'm looking forward to the progress reports.
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Hauptgefreiter on April 04, 2010, 09:57:06 PM
Great idea! Can you give us some more insight on this magnetic coating? Are you using a "standard" magnetic paint or have you mixed up something yourself?
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Mansworth on April 04, 2010, 10:06:16 PM

Of course

The magnetic coating is made up of three compnents:

Sintered Iron powder (used in casting to add weight. It is a 50% mix of resin and iron)

PVA glue

Water

I simply water down the PVA a bit, then mix in the sintered Iron to form a paste.

The metal content is not as great as say a fridge door, so the magnet wont grip as strong

Previous experements used the ultrastong Neodinium magnets. But for the VSF game im gonna try use fridge magnets, just a bit easyer to handle.
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Mansworth on April 05, 2010, 01:28:35 PM

Here is the current Asteroid im working on:

(http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr63/Moleye/Lowres3.jpg)

Its smaller and a bit more compact, and smother for easyer playing.

Still got to sculpt a bit more terrain to the bottom hemisphere, then i will cover it with a few layers of plaster bandages.

The first asteroid was sculpted polystyrene.

For this one is used a swiss ball as a form to build up a plaster bandage sphere. When this dried i cut it in half and filled the insides with expanding foam. I then used glue and plaster bandage to fuse the two halfs together. Durign tis i set one half of a tri guitar stand into the lower half, this slots into the stand you see.

Origanly i used flowerpaster to scult the craters, but later i removed that and moved to a mix of watered down PVA and cheep toliet tissue. The differing colour steams from my local Wilkingson not having the cheap white 8)

Like I said needs finishing sculpting and the tissue locked in with a few layers of bandage, then I will add the Iron powder coating.

The final thing will be read or green, as a grey asteroid is a bit dull.
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: OSHIROmodels on April 05, 2010, 01:33:07 PM
What a bonkers idea  :-*  :-*

I really hope the figures don't fall off the bottom, I assume you've tested the coating for 'sticking' figures to it upside down?

Keep us posted on this one  :D

cheers

James
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Mr.Marx on April 05, 2010, 02:27:55 PM
Thats such an original idea....utterly fantastic!
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Modhail on April 05, 2010, 03:04:03 PM
Brilliant, absolutely brilliant!  :o :-*
You say the grip isn't as strong as a fridge door, but precisely how strong is it then? (I've done some experiments with magnetic paint, but it would never be strong enough to hang pewter miniatures upside down from.... If your mix can, it's pretty darn amazing stuff!)
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Mansworth on April 05, 2010, 04:58:48 PM

Experements with the stuff suggest that the amount of attraction is relative to the thickness of the coating layer. Two coats of the paste had no problem holding a 28mm plastic space marine upsidown or even sideways (oddley enough sideways is worse as theres a ripping action on the magnet).

Now a 28m pewter figure weights considribley more than plastic, which is why ive scale dropped to 18mm (also, because the craters would not provide cover for 28mm models). I also intend to try for four coats of the mix to add more Iron to the surface. Im hoping this will let me use weaker magnets, which would avoid problems with magnet to magnet sticking.

I intend to have British landing craft in the game made from something like a ping pong ball, and I also hope to give the martians some tripods to scuttle over the surface.

Sizing up the asteroid and models, i think this game will be very close quaters, with any advantage high ground gives being essential.
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Argonor on April 05, 2010, 05:57:53 PM
Seems that photobucket pics won't show up in my browser...  o_o
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: rob_alderman on April 07, 2010, 08:31:13 AM
Excellent stuff Rich, great to see you here.  :)
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: YPU on April 07, 2010, 01:50:28 PM
the idea here is awesome. So original and it opens up so much unexplored game play. (am am thinking of Mario galaxy on the wii now, but that’s not a bad thing)

Its a bit of a guess but you might be able to find iron dust or “sand” around somewhere. If you apply that along the lines you would flocking or sanding and then seal it in with the iron coat paint it might work better.

In any case we need game play pictures once available!
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Mansworth on April 07, 2010, 06:35:22 PM

I shall consider it.

Just letting the thing dry a little. Got a bit more sculpting of craters to do this weekend, but hope to have updates and pics then.

in the mean time, heres a pic of a Martian and a Englishman upside down:

(http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr63/Moleye/Upsidedown.jpg)

This is stuck to beam of my bed which is steel. Hopefully I can achive the same attraction on the stroid but if not i will just swap the mags out for more powerfull ones.
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Gluteus Maximus on April 07, 2010, 07:34:47 PM
Full marks for imagination and problem solving!

I really hope this idea works as a game  :D

The possibilities for fighting on the outside of spaceships etc (as in Star Trek First Contact) are very intriguing. It would make a great "boarding action" game. Have your assaulting forces fight their way in with both external and internal areas of the ship modelled.

It would take a far better modeller than me though  :(
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Dewbakuk on April 07, 2010, 08:30:25 PM
The possibilities for fighting on the outside of spaceships etc (as in Star Trek First Contact) are very intriguing. It would make a great "boarding action" game. Have your assaulting forces fight their way in with both external and internal areas of the ship modelled.

It would take a far better modeller than me though  :(

That wouldn't be too hard actually. You could just put a steel sheet under the hull. Or make the hull from steel sheet :)
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Mansworth on April 07, 2010, 09:10:18 PM
Early in my experements I used steel mesh. no good for rugged terrain but good for flat surfaces like a spaceship.

Has to be fine though or models dont stick in the gaps!
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: rob_alderman on April 07, 2010, 10:21:01 PM
Great stuff Rich.

The paint-jobs are a great start. Look forward to seeing the hordes.

Martian empires is quite cheap, I'm tempted by the walkers to use in my 28mm games, but make them new legs!!!  :D
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Mansworth on April 10, 2010, 12:45:02 PM

Just finished sculpting the lower half of the astroid. Wont upload a pic now as it looks very much like the last pic, but a bit bigger!

Letting it dry for a few days.

Gonna start working on a few British landers. Part of my concept for the game is the British force have to land on the asteroid and this, by way of a scatter dice, means theirs some randomness to where the british units end up. Bit like 40k deapstrike.

Also need to get some light weight Tripods done, as Black hat's, awsome as they are, may be a bit too much for my magnets to handle.

Also you may be able to advise. This project uses a lot of PVA glue. The cheapest ive found it is Wilkinsons for £6 for 2.5L. Anyone know of anywhere cheaper. B & Q was supringly dear, and Hobbycraft was expensive too. And dont get me started on GW PVA.

Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: rob_alderman on April 10, 2010, 02:09:12 PM
Bugger Hobbycraft lol!

I might be able to source some from uni for you, when do you need it by and I will have a look.

If we can have 5 litre tubs of Vaseline, I'm sure there's the same of glue!!!

I used to buy 1.5 litre tubes of PVA glue by 'art attack', but it is utter rubbish.

As for the British landers, perhaps you could looks at this for reference? I have just ordered it.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Aetheric-Mechanics-Warren-Ellis/dp/1592910483/ref=pd_ys_iyr2

You could also contact Steve Blease about what references he is using for 'Astronef', IIRC, he is finding it hard to find any Victorian books on space travel.
Scheltrum do a 28mm aether-lander here:
http://www.scheltrum.co.uk/ironclad.html (Code VSF01)

Perhaps you could base designs on those?

As for the martian walker, I'm not sure how you could do it feasably. But it would have to be VERY light-weight.
Perhaps look out for Packing foam, or shape some polystyrene and use cocktail sticks or plasticard rod for the legs...
In fact, I think plasticard is lighter, especially the hollow stuff.

Hope this helps.  :)
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Mansworth on April 10, 2010, 02:24:14 PM

Thanks Rob. If you can get 5 liters of PVa for under £12 i might well be intrested.

I might try and chat to Steve

I was going to base my landers around the style of waterborne diving bells but the configuration of the American Apollo mission (I am a massive space head).

I will try and post some sketches of my lander concepts, But I envisin a round spherical capsule with four squat legs. The propulsion mechanisim will be based around electrostatic engines, partialy because rocketry had not been developed for at least another 20 -30 years, and also because I can draw from Eddisons Conquest of Mars.

As for the walkers your correct that they have to be ultra light. I think drinking straw legs will be a key part of their construction.   
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: rob_alderman on April 10, 2010, 02:31:48 PM
Okay, I'll have a look on Monday. I'm planning on starting work on a few masters I have planned of some 28mm 'nefs to get cast up anyway.

Yeah, the Scheltrum one sounds similar to your idea.

I also just ordered Edison's conquest of Mars.

Was it Edison that was Deaf? It could effect the way he works in the game? I'm not sure if he would have known sign-language... It goes way further back than this period, but I don't know if it was rare or not. I'll ask my dad, he knows a lot about deaf history and in fact, Edison!  :)

Back to the War of the Worlds soundtrack!  :)
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Gluteus Maximus on April 10, 2010, 04:17:28 PM

If we can have 5 litre tubs of Vaseline....

 The mind boggles....... :o :? lol

Try Screwfix:

http://www.screwfix.com/prods/57248/Sealants-Adhesives/PVA/PVA-Sealant-Primer/No-Nonsense-PVA-5Ltr

5L for £8.16 - can't be bad  :D

Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: rob_alderman on April 10, 2010, 10:56:52 PM
The mind boggles....... :o :? lol

haha

It's for body-moulding and moulding porous objects. If you don't use it, the moulding material will rip out all your hairs!!!  :D
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Gluteus Maximus on April 11, 2010, 08:54:35 AM
haha

It's for body-moulding and moulding porous objects. If you don't use it, the moulding material will rip out all your hairs!!!  :D

 :o I should have kept quiet (as usual)  lol
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Mansworth on April 11, 2010, 09:02:46 AM
Quote
It's for body-moulding and moulding porous objects. If you don't use it, the moulding material will rip out all your hairs!!! 

Could be usefull if you wanted a skin wax and cast creation at the same time.
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: rob_alderman on April 11, 2010, 06:03:19 PM
Could be usefull if you wanted a skin wax and cast creation at the same time.

Aye, I'm pretty sure there have been a few cases.

A guy wanted to cast his n** in plaster, so he took a pack of the dental rubber (the stuff they use at orthodontists which you bite into) home and when he tried it, he burned himself!!!  lol

What a bunch of silly buggers.  ;D
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Mansworth on April 11, 2010, 06:16:10 PM

Cool.

anyhow bringing it back to topic I was thinking of adding a heliograph to the game somehow, assuming the task force would be signaling to either a orbiting spacecraft or earth. May be able to have certain effects in game.

On the subject of orbiting spacecraft, My limited knowlage of period writings suggest that the concept of orbits was not the norm, more point to point like a gun. I think then that the landers will be more like bullets, and ive yet to work out how they would get back. Something important for the latter part of the game!
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: rob_alderman on April 11, 2010, 07:19:14 PM
Unobtanium propulsion engines, enough power to land and return from an Athership, running along cables which have been fired to the surface of the asteroid?

I've just had a brain fart ( ;D), but it would be like a giant version of one of those things you get on ski-runs...
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Mansworth on April 11, 2010, 10:53:35 PM

Good thinking.

May use eddisons electric propulsion, just add a few sparky things to them
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Mansworth on April 13, 2010, 09:26:00 PM

New image of the project

(http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr63/Moleye/Asteroid.jpg)

Added the modroc final layer to seal the thing a bit. Next stop, Iron powder!

Hopefully some of the craters can be seen, should add some cover.
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: rob_alderman on April 13, 2010, 10:02:54 PM
Looks ruddy excellent mate.

Can't wait to game on it!
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: anevilgiraffe on April 14, 2010, 10:50:38 PM
I was going to base my landers around the style of waterborne diving bells

you need Cavorite Spheres...

(http://www.fantastic-plastic.com/CavoriteSphereMain.jpg)
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Mansworth on April 15, 2010, 06:39:42 AM

That would be awsome. Where they come from?


A few new pics. Heres the Astroid with the first coating if iron powder painted on part of it:

(http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr63/Moleye/PIP.jpg)

At the moment not that great a magnetic atraction, but needs a few more coats.

Also, My attempt at a lander so far:

(http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr63/Moleye/Lander.jpg)

Its kinda diffrent to a diving bell, will keep working on it and see how it turns out.

Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Argonor on April 15, 2010, 09:28:49 AM
This is by far the weirdest project I've seen so far in these pages... kudos!!!  8)
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: rob_alderman on April 15, 2010, 09:31:32 AM
you need Cavorite Spheres...

(http://www.fantastic-plastic.com/CavoriteSphereMain.jpg)

AEG, that's cool man. Rivet-tastic.

I once had a rubber toy that looked like that, with sucker pads for feet!  ;D

Rich your landers shaping up nicely mate.
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: cheetor on April 15, 2010, 09:54:55 AM


What a fantastic project.  You dont seem to be cutting corners in the process either, it should look great when finished,  Dont skimp on the photos!

Regarding lightweight tripods, I made some daft but quick and functional 28mm tripods a few years back out of items that I had lying around.  I used a polystyrene ball for the body, cuticle sticks for the legs and table tennis balls for the joints (plus some bits and pieces for detailing). 

They werent works of art or anything but they are recognisable, functional and very light.  Maybe something similar might be light enough to remain attached to your asteroid.

If you plan to use drinking straws for tripod legs be careful.  I have a feeling that the stress on the straws caused by the magnetic feet attaching and detaching to the surface of the asteroid would break or crease the drinking straws pretty fast.

I may be wrong, but it is worth watching out for I think.

I cant wait to see what you come up with  8)

Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Mansworth on April 15, 2010, 07:41:17 PM
Just Finished off the 2nd coat of Iron powder and Now its dry decided to test the figures out:

(http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr63/Moleye/Astro6.jpg)

(http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr63/Moleye/Astro8.jpg)

(http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr63/Moleye/Astro1.jpg)

(http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr63/Moleye/Astro3.jpg)

THe figure just about held on, So another few coats should give them good adherence, even with a thin layer of paint to colour the asteroid.


I will try to add a howto guide to this thread as soon as so you can experement with your own asteroid if your want.
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: rob_alderman on April 15, 2010, 07:50:13 PM
Awesome stuff, well done!  :o
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: YPU on April 15, 2010, 08:49:31 PM
By the looks of things your choice to switch sizes was a good one, this way you will have something perhaps nearing the size of a small battle mat. Only it takes up les space horizontally! And the tactics of circling around will take on a whole new meaning, I’m sure.

I really feel I will need to copy this idea some time, its such a original idea it deserves to get plagiarized into oblivion!
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Ray Rivers on April 15, 2010, 08:57:10 PM
 :o

Now THAT... is amazing!   o_o
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: abhorsen950 on April 15, 2010, 08:59:19 PM
Really cool, wish you the best of luck.
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Mansworth on April 18, 2010, 01:44:12 PM

Update: Onto layer 5 of iron paint. going to add 6 to be sure so one more to go, then i will do the top half!

In the mean time, every British task force needs a spaceship. Here is one of the VSF landers (not quite finished)

(http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr63/Moleye/lander-1.jpg)

This holds an entire squad of men as they decend to the asteroids surface. The british will have three of these landers to launch the assult on the asteroid.

Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Mansworth on April 18, 2010, 01:45:50 PM

I should add the lander has a powerful magnet on its underside for attaching to the asteroid
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Calimero on April 18, 2010, 01:49:27 PM

lol there’s a lot of very ingenious ideas on this tread, nice work
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: gamer Mac on April 18, 2010, 02:25:34 PM
Great idea.
I am glad to see it working.
Looking forward to the first battle report.
Landers look cool as well.
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Mansworth on April 18, 2010, 04:10:25 PM

I have been considering the forces that will be used in the game I have planned for this project. Heres my inital Break down of the sides. This is using GASLIGHT rules:

British:

1 * Commander
2 * rifle units (8 rifles, 1 sergent, 1 flag bearer)
2 * 6 pounder cannon teams (May turn into mortors)
1 * Gattling cannon team
1 * Tesla earthquake machine
3 * Landing Craft

Martians:

1 * Martian prince
2 * Rifle units (9 rifles 1 commander)
1 * Bow squad (9 bows, 1 leader)
2 * light cavarly  (4 regulars, 1 leader)
1 * Tripod

All weapons have unlimited range but operate on Line of sight. The only exeption of this is the british cannon/ morters and the martian bow. These will have a bombard ability of some sort that allows them to shoot at models beyond line of sight, but with inacuracies.

The mission will be for the British to escort the earthquake machine to a particular spot. defend it while it starts a resonence going, then high tail it back to the landers before the whole astroid shatters. All the while theres a time limit before the asteroid get to close to earth to be stopped (Armegeddon plot point).

Least thats the plan

Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: abhorsen950 on April 18, 2010, 06:59:41 PM
Sounds good, keep this updated I have to keep watching.

Steve
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Dr. The Viking on April 19, 2010, 08:29:15 AM
This is just insanely funny!  lol

Hope to see it done some day!
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: rob_alderman on April 20, 2010, 07:40:26 AM
Rich, the lander looks ruddy excellent.
You could mould that and cast it in plaster EASILY.

I'm just wondering if I could cast it in metal at uni...

The forces sound about right. I'm really looking forward to it.  :)
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Mansworth on April 20, 2010, 01:37:11 PM

Have a look on Friday Rob. I will bring it in.

For my purposes, A plaster lander may be a liabilty due to meight and breakability.

Be intrested in a metal one though for regular gaming. Its made out of carboard and held together with PVA, so whether thats castible or not im not sure.

Planning to use it as a plot point in fridays game.
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Dewbakuk on April 20, 2010, 02:17:08 PM
Plaster is likely to be too heavy for any that are strong enough to take gaming.

Depending on how much money you want to throw at it, you could try one of the foam eurethanes. They're very light and strong.

Cardboard and PVA? You'll want to seal it with a couple of varnish layers at least before trying to mold it, then I'd only recommend a gentle aircure rubber, nothing that will apply pressure.
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Mansworth on April 20, 2010, 05:44:54 PM
Thanks for that.

Moat of my scratch built stuff is a mixture of PVA and cardboard or foamcore. Tend to find It suits me.

Quick update, all 6 coats of the bottom of the stroid are done. Just flipped the thing over to do the top. It looking good.
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: rob_alderman on April 20, 2010, 11:10:21 PM
Just use the silicon rubber they have at uni, I would.

As for metal casting, I'd do a sand-cast. Not perfect, but still good. 
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Dewbakuk on April 21, 2010, 10:11:49 AM
If you're okay with the texture it gives, sand casting can be very efficient for simple shapes. I'm currently setting up a sand mold for foam casting a cliff face. I suspect it'll be the weekend before I get the chance to actually do it though.

Bear in mind the silicon rubber is liquid when poured and the cardboard is porous, hence my comment asbout sealing it.
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: rob_alderman on April 21, 2010, 04:05:50 PM
Sand casting with metal gives no texture. You use very finely ground oil-based sand.
It's a very old way of casting (Victorian in fact) that my uni has happened to keep up for some reason.
I don't mean the whole press into sand and fill with plaster!

*Modify*
Yeah, with the silicon, might be worth sealing it. They say it doesn't stick to anything except more silicon, but it does take hold of some porous things.  ;)

Just give it a varnish.

*Modify Again* Oh and I could slip cast it, so you get a hollow cast of it. It would be lighter. Like a garden ornament.
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Dewbakuk on April 21, 2010, 05:05:07 PM
Sand casting with metal gives no texture. You use very finely ground oil-based sand.
It's a very old way of casting (Victorian in fact) that my uni has happened to keep up for some reason.
I don't mean the whole press into sand and fill with plaster!

I know you weren't talking about plaster  ;)
I've done some sand casting with iron and there was a definate texture to the finished metal. I don't mean sand embedded in it or anything like that, but it certainly wasn't smooth. Perhaps it wasn't fine enough.
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: rob_alderman on April 21, 2010, 05:07:05 PM
Possibly. Might have been the shrinkage on the iron as well? I'm not sure!
We use aluminium or bronze usually. We have got facilities to use pewter as well.

The water based sand stuff often leaves a texture, the oil based stuff sticks together a bit better. Either way, it's a lot of work so when it doesn't work out, it sucks so much!
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Dewbakuk on April 21, 2010, 05:15:49 PM
Now you mention it I think it was water based rather than oil, it's been a while.
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Mansworth on April 21, 2010, 07:13:43 PM

Just popping back to topic.

Layer 3 of the tops just gone on. Need more PVA glue to finish this off though.

Ordered the majority of the models now. Need to get on and paint them up.

I am hoping to have some kind of battle report up some time in late may / June.

Will post a how to in the next few weeks as well.

Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: rob_alderman on April 21, 2010, 07:19:53 PM
That all sounds excellent mate.

I look forward to Friday too. You'll have to text me what to bring.  :)
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Mansworth on April 26, 2010, 06:49:32 AM

Got the bulk of the armes for the game at salute, hope anyone who went had a good time.

Started assembling my martian walker. Will post pics of it soon but it comprises of two polystyrene eggs side by side with cardboard filling the gap, with plastic swizzlestics for legs. Ive adopted the Jeff Wayne design style. It stands about 6" high.

Will try post a pic this evening.

Hope to have the asteroid iron coats done at least by the end of this week. May even get the paint job done.

Anyhow pics will follow this evening. 
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: rob_alderman on April 26, 2010, 09:08:25 AM
Saw the pic, it looks great! I think you should post a closeup of the walker too!  :)
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Mansworth on April 26, 2010, 10:59:39 AM
Will do

Jusr bought some 1/4 Nyodidium ball magnets for the tripod walkers feet. I think that they should have enougth gauss to hold the tripod to the Asteroid.

IN the LOS critical astroidgame. The tripodis a real advantage to the martions, as its extended hight gives it a further range. That said its also visible to British cannon.

Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: YPU on April 26, 2010, 11:53:49 AM
I hope those magnets work, the downside to doing something new is that you have nothing to guestimate by.

Your right that the walkers should offer a very nice strategic variety with their height.
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Mansworth on April 26, 2010, 06:46:28 PM

Some new pics:

The asteroid near compleation with partialy built tripod on it:

(http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr63/Moleye/Tri1.jpg)

The Tripod from below:

(http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr63/Moleye/Tri3.jpg)

The tripod from above:

(http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr63/Moleye/Tri2.jpg)
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: YPU on April 26, 2010, 07:10:12 PM
So does it stick to the bottom of the rock?  :D
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Mansworth on April 26, 2010, 07:16:20 PM
It will...

Just ordered some shperical magnets to replace the plastic ends of the swizzle-sticks (legs). I think once their in place it should have no problem sticking. The tripod configuration is a blessing because you shouldnt have any legs sticking up in the air.
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: rob_alderman on April 26, 2010, 08:59:21 PM
Grand stuff, ULLLLLAAAAAAAAA!

I'm looking forward to seeing it with some eyes.  :)
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: jet on April 27, 2010, 01:35:57 AM
This has to be the most insane project I've ever seen on LAF, and that's saying something!  Truly astounding!
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Mansworth on April 28, 2010, 08:30:06 PM
Just a few new pics.

This is the Tripod on the side of the asteroid:

(http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr63/Moleye/UTP2.jpg)

And this is the tripod on the bottom:

(http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr63/Moleye/Tripodupsidedown.jpg)

This test has the tripod with neididium magnets whitetaced to the feet. I will glue them propperly later.

As i write this post, the tripod has been attached to the asteroid for about 10 minutes.

Also note the legs have been redone, on accuont of them being rubbish before. 
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Mansworth on April 30, 2010, 09:52:33 AM

Had a fun filled eveing basing all the 18mm i got with magnets.

Actually 12mm disc magnets make good bases for 15/18mm. Used 20mm for cannon/ cavalry, but may need a rethink as there a bit broad to make good asteroid contact.

Got some Black hat wild haggis too. May use them as asteroid beasts to add a bit of spice to the game.

Playing a 2D game with the armies today, will try take a few pics.

Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Mr. Cigarface on April 30, 2010, 10:34:30 AM
Mansworth, you crazily insane nutter: this is absolutely brilliant!

Definitely the most original idea I´ve ever encountered in wargaming. As someone else said previously: this idea must be copied ad infinitum. I think I´ll end up doing it Spelljammer-style...

Looking forward to following your journey.

One love  :-*

Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Rabbitz on April 30, 2010, 11:42:02 AM
My God, I could game The Clangers* using this idea.

Does anyone make a mini of the Soup Dragon, the Iron Chicken, or teh Froglettes? Not to mention the Clangers theselves?


* the greatest children's programme in the history of the world and the work of the immortal Oliver Postgate.

LOL I was actually thinking Button Moon, although people would have to fight only a few ranks wide  ::)
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Mansworth on April 30, 2010, 11:44:05 AM

I did research Clangers. As far as I know, there isn't anything that is the right scale.

Mr Alderman, any suggestions?
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Chairface on April 30, 2010, 03:27:47 PM
Man, this is going to be insanely awesome when its done!
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Uncle Mike on April 30, 2010, 03:43:09 PM
Madness! Brilliant Madness!!!
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: rob_alderman on April 30, 2010, 04:59:53 PM
I did research Clangers. As far as I know, there isn't anything that is the right scale.

Mr Alderman, any suggestions?

Unfortunately not, perhaps I can ask AA if I could sculpt a 15mm pack for them. Hostile natives of course...  ;D
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: rob_alderman on May 01, 2010, 09:39:21 AM
'fortunately not. Either 15mm or it won't exist!  lol

I can ask if I can start my own range, but Gavin said I will have to do a few more projects for him before considering that.  ;)

i.e. 15mm first, then perhaps some 28mm counterparts later.  :)
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Mansworth on May 01, 2010, 10:02:17 AM

Would be awsome.

Okay I played a game using the magneticly based models yesterday (will write a report later). Unfortuanly I did not get any pictures, but the use of 18mm models was entirly practical.

My aim is to have the first asteroid battle two weeks tommorow (Rob, Thats Club sunday if your free). I will definalty take pics then and post them here.

Look out for a how too thread appearing this weekend. I need to test finish's for the big Asteroid  so I am gonna make a little one to do that, and reveal my secrets to you all (not that theres many to reveal).

So things pushing forward good in camp Asteroid.

 
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: rob_alderman on May 01, 2010, 10:07:03 AM
That's good. 'fraid I won't be free, but I would still like to play it.

We'll have to organise a VSF day at Rob and Han's in a month or so. Then I can book it off!

I'll be sending out PMs to people interested.  :)
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Mansworth on May 01, 2010, 10:08:26 AM

Sounds good, I shall bring the asteroid along!
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Mansworth on May 04, 2010, 06:03:21 PM
Added a how to guide to the forum. Find it here

http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=18802.0
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Mansworth on May 07, 2010, 08:09:40 AM

After long last the iron powder coating has been done.

will be base coating the asteroid in red (it cam from mars...)

Pics will be forth coming.
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Chairface on May 07, 2010, 05:36:40 PM
Has anyone suffested that you make a Little Prince model?  ;)

(http://littlesun.canalblog.com/al_St_Exupery07_Le_Petit_Prince_1_.jpg)
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Mansworth on May 07, 2010, 07:12:06 PM
(http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr63/Moleye/al_St_Exupery07_Le_Petit_Prince_1_.jpg)

Like this?
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Mansworth on May 08, 2010, 04:39:55 PM

Had a slight problem with the asteroid today. Not really a problem but fighting a fire before it starts.

Not litrarly I might add, its not like the iron powder is explosive (though i must test that).

When I moved the asteroid down to spray it red i noticed that theres a lot of strain being put on the base of the stand, which is only designed to hold 3 guitars. On closer inspection the stand is only tac welded at its base. Images of split welds and falling asteroids (thoughts i never thought i'd have) prompted me to seek a new solution.

one trip to B and Q later yeilded a £9 parasol base wich, while plastic, should provide a much more stable base. I now gotta adapt the pokey metal bit glued into the asteroid to fit the parasol base. (make a round peg fir a bigger round hole).

Will post new pics of this once ive solved the problem. It dose mean the game moves to the table top rather than being free standing, but I think it will be better for it.

The paintings going well, although the Iron powder ran a bit. I think i will use the "its red weed" excuse. Its pretty much sprayed red now, once its dry and the base is solved i will highlight it a little, then its nearly done.


Still optemistic for a asteroid game in a week or so's time. will post a battle report soon after with lots of pics.

Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Mansworth on May 08, 2010, 06:45:49 PM

As promised. lots of pics:

Here is the undercoated asteroid with new base:

(http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr63/Moleye/Painted2.jpg)

And here is the asteroid after highligting:

(http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr63/Moleye/Painted3.jpg)

(http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr63/Moleye/Painted5.jpg)

(http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr63/Moleye/Painted4.jpg)

I may add a varnish layer, and the base needs some work but its getting near compleation.

Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Chairface on May 08, 2010, 08:10:12 PM
That is looking good!
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: rob_alderman on May 08, 2010, 10:34:17 PM
I SEE A FACE IN IT!!!!!  :o

The man in the Mooooon.

Nice stand idea btw. Definately sturdy enough!!!!  :)

I really look forward to playing it. I can imagine sitting around it in a group of 4 or 5 like some sort of weird ritual!!!!  lol
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Mansworth on May 09, 2010, 09:37:23 AM

Tested it this morning and the figs still stick to it!

Love it when a plan works 8)
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: The_Beast on May 09, 2010, 09:18:52 PM
I SEE A FACE IN IT!!!!!  :o

The man in the Mooooon.

Nice stand idea btw. Definately sturdy enough!!!!  :)

I really look forward to playing it. I can imagine sitting around it in a group of 4 or 5 like some sort of weird ritual!!!!  lol

You know, I see one as well, at least, in the second and last pictures. And, there are threads, crossing where the mouth would b...

HORRORS! A ZOMBIE MOON!

 :D

Doug
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Mansworth on May 10, 2010, 07:57:06 AM

I'll get the shotgun.

Actually you highlighted a iffy bit, theres some runs on the ironpowder and they look a bit off putting, so i am re-working those bits to try and limit their visual impact.
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: The_Beast on May 10, 2010, 07:42:17 PM
I'll get the shotgun.

Actually you highlighted a iffy bit, theres some runs on the ironpowder and they look a bit off putting, so i am re-working those bits to try and limit their visual impact.

I feel ashamed to have caused you further work from my cheap attempt at humor.

I assumed that they were to be fissures that just happened to have that effect on me.

Please forgive my thoughtlessness on your excellent work.

Doug
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Mansworth on May 11, 2010, 01:14:51 PM

Nah don't worry

Was gonna rework them anyway.

Fridays game with the astroid will focus on the illegal poaching of astroid beasts (wild haggies) by the colonial british and the natives martions trying to put a stop to this thevery.

Pics to follow as it happens

Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: rob_alderman on May 11, 2010, 01:34:03 PM
Sounds good to me.

There is a massive beach ball at uni and I am sooooo tempted...  lol
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Mansworth on May 11, 2010, 01:43:25 PM

Should do it, then we can have a 2mm planatary planetry conflict!
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: rob_alderman on May 11, 2010, 01:46:42 PM
Mate, this was big enough to be a 2mm mini planet!!!

Imagine the size of the one you have made, but scale it up to 28mm, perhaps a little bigger. It was gargantuan.
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Mansworth on May 11, 2010, 01:49:22 PM

So 4- 6 feet?

Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: rob_alderman on May 11, 2010, 02:07:34 PM
aye about 4 or 5 feet.
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Mansworth on May 11, 2010, 02:09:34 PM

I'm gonna need more paint
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Dewbakuk on May 11, 2010, 03:28:37 PM
You're gonna need a bigger brush :D
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: rob_alderman on May 11, 2010, 05:32:04 PM
Who me?

 ;D

My old art teacher bought me a ruddy huge paintbrush from Cornellison's of London. Awesome art materials shop. Definately my favourite. I painted a few rather large but very controversial media photographs. Don't ask, young stuff. Was rather silly.
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Mansworth on May 12, 2010, 05:52:10 PM

The "Deployed" Asteroid:

(http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr63/Moleye/deployed.jpg)

This is how i think the game will be played (with the base sutibly painted up).

Yes, its a plant pot, and a bluming huge one. The pot will flip right side up and the asteroid sit in it for transporting.

Will give this configuration a go on friday.

Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Mansworth on May 15, 2010, 08:02:17 AM

Its the morning after the first practical test of the asteroid.

It was a technical sucess but a gameplay failure. I did get some pics, which i will post in a bit. But here are the main lessons learnt:

The Asteroid dose hold the infantry models without a problem.

The Caverly need bigger magnets or better basing, they stuck but only just. The cannon will have the same issue.

The tripod sticks too well, and is too big for the asteroid.

The flowerpot makes the whole thing too low, It works better on a table top.

GASLIGHT dose not work too well on such a small battle field. I may create my own rules for this game.

10 man squads are too big. 5-6 man squads will work better.



Theres proberbly more  but thats my inital thoughs.

But pics coming up soon
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: rob_alderman on May 15, 2010, 09:24:37 AM
Hmm. Shame mate.

Have to see what you come up with.
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: Mansworth on June 03, 2010, 06:19:15 PM
Hi all

Bin really busy, but back to the Astroid now.
Title: Re: VSF Asteroid Game
Post by: RossBowrage on July 24, 2010, 01:25:08 AM
Hi Rich,

Y'know, as I gaze upon my now-magnetised 'Nef, I wonder if the magnets are suitably orientated to take advantage of your marvellous asteroid, which is clearly a source of R-Matter if ever there was...

Cheers,
Ross