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Miniatures Adventure => The Second World War => Topic started by: Prof.Witchheimer on May 31, 2007, 01:09:39 PM
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I have to admit, matakishi's talking-about-Burma was contagious. Really contagious. Hmm...now I had a think and realized that God wants that I make a Burma project. And you know, if God wants something you better do it. I will do it. Because Burma is wonderfull. Burma means lots of armies and uniforms. Vehicles and support things. Burma is exotic and apart from them I have lots of beautiful jungles made by Grimm. And so on.
Currently I'm in the planinng and have some questions about suitable miniatures, namely...
1) Are the Artizan British Commonwealth forces suitable for Burma?
2) Do the the Foundry and TAG Chindits work well together?
3) Are there any Chinese WW2 miniatures out there?
4) Makes anyone Ghurkhas (except from TAG)?
5) Are there any figs for Indian National army?
actually I have a couple more questions but that's enough for the start :-)
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The Artizan Australians and Sikhs are fine but all their British stuff isn't.
The Foundry figures should be ok with the TAG figures, but I don't have any Foundry Chindits to be sure. The Perry Germans are a little snaller than the BTD Germans but still work alright, and the BTD figures work with TAG.
No Idea about Chinese, probably not though.
I've only seen WWII Ghurkas from TAG, there are Foundry Ghurkas but they're colonial era ones.
Again, I don't think so. You could probably use some Copplestone figures from his BoB range if you didn't care too much that their equipement is a bit early. He does Ghurkas too I see.
Battle Honours WWII probably cover the ranges but their figures are not always good and most of their ranges of different troops from a single nation are the same figures with different heads. Their figures are also quite small.
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I think Old Glory 15's has a squad pack of Ghurka's in their Battle Honors line. (Or at least my FLGS has one that I have contemplated purchasing.) I have the squad pack of Bersaglieri (10 figures) and it includes 2 smgs and one lmg w/asst gunner. The rest, including the LMG asst are armed with rifles
The Battle Honors line are "true 25" and are thinner and slighter than the Artizan and Copplestone, but that is not an issue for me in the least.
And, "they paint up good" :mrgreen:
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(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k116/PeteMurray/God%20Wants%20It/wantit.jpg)
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The Artizan Australians and Sikhs are fine but all their British stuff isn't.
Are you sure? The Artizan ones look exactly like the guys on the Osprey cover:
(http://forum.backofbeyond.de/images/projects/burma/osprey_british_infantryman_far_east.jpg)
(http://www.artizandesigns.com/images/sww132.jpg)
(http://www.artizandesigns.com/images/sww130.jpg)
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I suppose they'd do. They're wearing the wrong uniform but at 28mm paint should sort that out.
I might get some myself.
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and a photo.
Troops from 2nd british and 5th Indian Divisions meet on the Kohima-Imphal road
(http://forum.backofbeyond.de/images/projects/burma/kohima_imphal_road.jpg)
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Shirts not battledress, but the Artizan figures are nice :)
This is nice too
http://www.chieftainmodels.co.uk/images/acv.JPG
From Chieftan models
http://www.chieftainmodels.co.uk
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wow :love: need that!!
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next thing I need, the C-47, air support of the 14th army!
(http://forum.backofbeyond.de/images/projects/burma/c-47_air_commando_burma.jpg)
there is a 1/48 plastic kit , but very expensive (about 100-120$)
(http://forum.backofbeyond.de/images/projects/burma/c-47_plastic_kit.jpg)
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The only WW2 Gurkhas I know are from TAG. Would be interested to see if anyone knows if there is an alternative range.
My interest in this theatre is more in the earlier part - Fall of Singapore and all that. Different uniforms for this period. Generally similar to 8th Army, but neater than the Artizan guys.
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BTW - there is an excellent memoir by John Masters called "The Road to Mandalay". It recounts his experiences first as Brigade Major, then Brigade Commander of a Chindit Brigade. After extraction, he is appointed Divisional second in command to a regular Army unit for the 1944 invasion of Burma.
Very well written, and captures very nicely the flavour of the period.
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thanks, Dom, will get the book!
just prepared the Foundry chindits, nice bunch!
sand for the bases follow..
(http://forum.backofbeyond.de/images/projects/burma/foundry_burma_chindits.jpg)
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next must-have :roll:
British Humber armoured car MkIV from Bolt Action
(http://forum.backofbeyond.de/images/projects/burma/bolt_action_british_humber_armoured_car_mk4.jpg)
A Humber armoured car of the 16th Light Cavalry patrols the approaches to Meiktila. The armored cars were constantly active, searching for any signs of a Japanese build-up
(http://forum.backofbeyond.de/images/projects/burma/british_humber_armoured_car_mk4.jpg)
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Hi Prof, that looks like a Daimler A/C
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hmm, you're right...Osprey seems to give false informations :? I have the pic and the comment on it from the Osprey Campaign Meiktila 1945 book
Daimler.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/77/IWM-MH-4081-Daimler-Armoured-Car.jpg/300px-IWM-MH-4081-Daimler-Armoured-Car.jpg)
Humber.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/02/Humber_Mk_4_Armoured_Car.jpg/300px-Humber_Mk_4_Armoured_Car.jpg)
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'Khaki Drill & Jungle Green' is an excellent uniform/paint guide.
Amazon LINK (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Khaki-Drill-Jungle-Martin-Brayley/dp/1861263600/ref=pd_rhf_p_1/202-2419762-6500617)
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that's nice one, looks very usefull, thanks Zed!
here comes Northrop P-61C Black Widow, got it for some dollars now :)
(http://forum.backofbeyond.de/images/projects/burma/Black_Widow_P-61.jpg)
(http://forum.backofbeyond.de/images/projects/burma/northrop_p61.jpg)
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Does anyone do a Daimler in 28mm?
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BAM do a Daimler Dingo, the recon/command variant:
http://www.boltactionminiatures.co.uk/product.php?ItemID=343
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just ordered some Corgi 1:50 vehicles
M4 Sherman tank USMC Guam
(http://www.hattons.co.uk/images/products/CC51014_1.jpg)
WC 56 Command Car US Army
(http://www.hattons.co.uk/images/products/CC51708_1.JPG)
M3A1 half-track USMC
(http://www.hattons.co.uk/images/products/CC60406_1.jpg)
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Wow Prof, you are fast!
Why the sudden surge in interest?
Are you planning a demo game?
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I never planning a demo game :) just buying stuff I "need" :lol:
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Artizan British Commonwealth and Sikhs ordered (about 50 figures)!
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Damn you credit-card owners with secure income! :lol:
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just ordered some Corgi 1:50 vehicles
WC 56 Command Car US Army
The command car is actually 1/43... :(
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I don't think. There are two versions of that car, 1/43 and 1/50. The treader says, it's the 1/50 version I bought.
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I don't think. There are two versions of that car, 1/43 and 1/50. The treader says, it's the 1/50 version I bought.
Ohh... OK. I only ever saw the 1/43 version. Best of luck with that.
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my test-painting-chindit, i've read/seen the green of their uniform was more green-grey, and that's my interpretation. What do you think about?
(http://www.witchhunter.net/blog/images/07_06_02_burma_chindit.jpg)
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Wow! I like it!!
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He looks good. I'm using Foundry storm green for mine. I initially went with a similar colour for the webbing which was darker than western front webbing but I've decided to stay with drab like the rest of my British for a bit of contrast.
(You know my views on WWII uniform colours :lol: )
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I thought to take Storm Green as well but that's too vivid to me :)
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Is he a Foundry? What green did you use as the base colour?
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Yes, Foundry. The Vallejo Dark Green.
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just ordered some Corgi 1:50 vehicles
M4 Sherman tank USMC Guam
(http://www.hattons.co.uk/images/products/CC51014_1.jpg)
WC 56 Command Car US Army
(http://www.hattons.co.uk/images/products/CC51708_1.JPG)
M3A1 half-track USMC
(http://www.hattons.co.uk/images/products/CC60406_1.jpg)
I match all your Corgis and raise you:
(http://i7.ebayimg.com/07/i/000/a2/12/a473_1.JPG)
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Hey, where did you get that plane???
What scale is it???
I want it!!
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my test-painting-chindit, i've read/seen the green of their uniform was more green-grey, and that's my interpretation. What do you think about?
(http://www.witchhunter.net/blog/images/07_06_02_burma_chindit.jpg)
When I look at various WWII Pacific Theatre flicks (Thin Red Line, Flag of Our Fathers, The Bridge over the River Kwai..." and the few colour photographs I have (Time Life series) it loogs to me like they are wearing a pretty solid jungle green faded to grey green.
As always I think it is the "faded" part that is hardest to capture but you are close.
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Hey, where did you get that plane???
What scale is it???
I want it!!
1:48 scale diecast.
I got it on ebay.
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just ordered some Corgi 1:50 vehicles
WC 56 Command Car US Army
The command car is actually 1/43... :(
looks like you're right :( it's a 1/43, just received a message from the retailer with apologies, he has removed the car from order :(
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First i saw that pic in the Osprey "Meiktila 1945 - The battle to liberate Burma" book
(http://forum.backofbeyond.de/images/misc/07_06_05_burma_planes.jpg)
then i went to ebay and bought that :mrgreen: 7$ each
(http://forum.backofbeyond.de/images/misc/07_06_05_p-47D_Thunderbolt.jpg)
(http://forum.backofbeyond.de/images/misc/07_06_05_p-51D_Mustang.jpg)
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If you're after aircraft for Burma then I'd go for a Hurricane. Airfix do (did?) a nice sturdy kit in 1/48 although if was a Mark I not a Mark II. You can probably pick one up on ebay.
And if you're doing Burma, especially the Arakan, you can't leave out a Lee/Grant! I'm sure Solido do one although it'll probably cost you a fortune to get hold of one.
I think you're Chindit is spot on BTW...just the right degree of fade on the battledress. Excellent!
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I think there must be a 1/48 die cast Hurricane somewhere. I recall seeing it in a shop.
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I had a look on ebay and found a few of the Airfix Hurricane kits but also ran into this Monogram one, which would be perfect with some SE Asia roundels as a Hurribomber:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HAWKER-HURRICANE-1-48-SCALE-FROM-MONOGRAM_W0QQitemZ130120357868QQihZ003QQcategoryZ142338QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem
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And this guy has some Solido Verem Lee / Grants up for grabs although they're a bit pricey and would need a bit of a 'makeover' to look good next to the Corgi vehicles:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SOLIDO-253-GENERAL-LEE-ARMY-AMERICAN-TANK-NMIB_W0QQitemZ220119086607QQihZ012QQcategoryZ2515QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Looking at the auctions I found this interwar tank Diecast, looks like some Ruski jalopy!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ESPEWE-models-100-PANZERWAGEN-army-military-vehicle-MIB_W0QQitemZ160122942243QQihZ006QQcategoryZ223QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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thanks for the links, guys! :)
Boggler, the Lee tank is a great model, need it, will try to get it but not that pricy one, another auction in USA
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BTW - there is an excellent memoir by John Masters called "The Road to Mandalay". It recounts his experiences first as Brigade Major, then Brigade Commander of a Chindit Brigade. After extraction, he is appointed Divisional second in command to a regular Army unit for the 1944 invasion of Burma.
Very well written, and captures very nicely the flavour of the period.
Dom, I didn't find the book on Amazon :(
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Oops, my fault...the title should be "The Road Past Mandalay"
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Road-Mandalay-Cassell-Military-Paperbacks/dp/0304361577/ref=sr_1_1/026-5400345-0811632?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1181198957&sr=8-1
The Road Past Mandalay is actually part 2 of his memoirs. Part one is also quite interesting and covers his training at Sandhurst, his experiences as a Gurkha officer, and his first taste of combat against Afghan insurgents (Waziris and Pathans) in the NW Frontier:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bugles-Tiger-Gurkhas-Military-Paperbacks/dp/0304361569/ref=sr_1_16/026-5400345-0811632?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1181199148&sr=1-16
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Quartered safe out here by George MacDonald Fraser is a must-read too.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Quartered-Safe-George-MacDonald-Fraser/dp/0007105932/ref=pd_luc_0210103043615770007105932/026-5325089-3785221
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Tank Tracks to Rangoon by Bryan Perret is also a good read:
http://www.amazon.com/Tank-tracks-Rangoon-British-armour/dp/0709164815
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finally some new stuff to Burma! Sherman's and Half-track, very nice ones and nicely painted, too. I didn't think I shall repaint them
(http://forum.backofbeyond.de/images/misc/07_06_12_brits_tanks.jpg)
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Big tankies rule! Big tankies rule! :lol:
Very nice. You just might wish to re-name one of the Shermans, though... ;) and maybe add some very light shading?
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of course, will make some little final touches for sure just not a full repaint
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I have some of their shermans and 1/2 tracks for Normandy, an oil wash with raw umber adds depth (or ink etc) to the paint.
One tip dont try to fix the tracks, I did once and the super glue (d`oh) corroded the rubber :cry:
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I know there is a marketplace for offering goods, but this is exactly matching this topic, so:
I'm selling a Time-Life book from the World War II series titled "China-Burma-India". Hardcover, the traditional Time-Life style of book with 200+ pages and hundreds of photos and so called picture essays, maps and illustrations. 15,- EUR is my price. Anybody interested please send me a pm.
More titles from this series in the Bazar of Obscurities ...
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the big Burma book is arrived :) Now I need some restful days...
(http://forum.backofbeyond.de/images/misc/07_06_14_burma_longest_War.jpg)
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I recently bought a couple of 1.48 Tamiya M4 Shermans and a Hobbyboss M4A1 76mm from traders on ebay, saving half the shop price on the Tamiya kits.
They're really nice models with die cast hulls to add weight. Next to the Corgi 1/50 Sherman and M3 Half tracks I also bought, they should look compatible.
They have the advantage that they can be built up as a unit. I've bought some decals for a Sherman platoon from Company B so I'll be using them instead of the kit decals. I'm using them as armoured support for my Artizan US armoured infantry platoon.
When they're done I'll post some photos.
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This is the Hobbyboss kit:
http://www.hobbyboss.com/84801.htm
And this is the Tamiya one:
http://www.tamiya.com/english/products/32505sherman/index.htm
Very nice
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they look really nice! actually how much tanks do i need for a sherman platoon?
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Tamaya tank kits are crazy expensive though. I suspect it is the die-cast hull which jacks up the price to a level where a 1/48 kit costs as much as a 1/35 kit.
I am no panzer wargamer, I use them mostly for props so I am not willing to pay that much for them.
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Hi all,
I have 2 Tamiya 1/48 Sherman kits - brand new, unbuilt - to sell.
EUR 15 each. EUR 5 postage within Germany.
What I like about the Tamiya kits is that the front part of the hull is accurate for the M4A4 (Sherman V) giving it the perfect look for NW Europe 1944.
(http://www.tamiya.com/english/products/32505sherman/top.jpg)
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US tank platoons consisted of five tanks on paper whilst British troops consisted of three and sometimes four. I've got four Shermans but will use one ot two per game as support for the infantry otherwise things might get a bit too armour heavy. I guess this is more realistic anyway given mechanical breakdown, losses in combat etc etc.
My Germans for instance have only got one Hetzer, another Tamiya kit, reflecting the lack of armour support available to them in '44 and '45. I have been reading the Osprey books on the Rhine and Siegfried Line battles in late 1944, and sometimes an entire panzer regiment was down to maybe half a dozen assorted barely operational tanks!
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That's a great deal dominic!
If you try ebay for kits then you can usually save quite a bit on the shop price of the kits. My Shermans were £7.50 + £2.50 postage which is half the price of the kit in my local model shop (£19.99). I think this compares well with the cost of the Corgi 1/50 scale ready made tanks which usually go for around £10 on ebay. The Hooby boss ones are a bit more expensive, but they're so cool!
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Just noticed that Company B have a Lee/Grant in the production queue for 2007. Perfect for Burma!
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Burma needs some trasport support! We present Diamond T 980 Tank Trasporter :)
but an expensive one, 51EUR :?
(http://forum.backofbeyond.de/images/misc/07_06_15_diamont_t_980_tank_transporter.jpg)
(http://forum.backofbeyond.de/images/misc/07_06_15_diamont_t_980_tank_transporter_1.jpg)
(http://forum.backofbeyond.de/images/misc/07_06_15_diamont_t_980_tank_transporter_2.jpg)
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Nice (if a bit on the BIG side)
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(http://forum.backofbeyond.de/images/projects/burma/royal_marines.jpg)
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Ok you Burma nuts...
I can sort of confirm that the CompanyB/JT Enterprises M3 Lee (with modified turret for Burma) and the Grant will debut at Historicon in July 2007.
In any case, I'll have samples in my hand by then. For those who really want to pre-order this, you can send me an e-mail.
I can also say, that Burma is the next wave of miniatures we are producing (for those that didn't know...company B is also 50% responsible for all the Japanese and Marine minis for Brigades PacWar line. So we are in negotiations right now to get the Burma line going. The probable sculptor for the Aussies will be known to most of you..as he's in Australia! Matakishi and Helen, please keep mum! I've said enough already!
That said...
Would there be any interest in the specific M3 Stuarts that the Aussies converted for Asia? We were assuming folks would be using the current line...but there were some significant changes to the turret. Not sure if a new model is warranted though (but perhaps I could just sculpt the turret would be good as an alternate part...)
Also, 1:56 versions of the Dodge Weapons carrier have been commissioned. So you folks stuck with the massive 1:43 Corgi ones can sell them!
If there is any other gear that needs consideration, let me know!
Brent Dietrich
CompanyB
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Awesome sounding stuff! I think the alternate turret is best.
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I'm sure, you think Prof has forgotten his Burma project :twisted: Shame on you :x He doesn't forget anything! Here some new WW2 cars to make his future Burma table looking great :mrgreen:
Edit: they all are Solido 1:50 ones
(http://forum.backofbeyond.de/images/misc/07_08_30_ww2_cars.jpg)
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Truck-a-licious! Let´s get ready to roll for some convoy games! :love:
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Even more cars :D
(http://forum.backofbeyond.de/images/misc/07_08_31_ww2_cars.jpg)
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Hell yes! This is getting fantastic.