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Miniatures Adventure => Back of Beyond => Topic started by: Agis on April 11, 2010, 12:13:28 PM
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I am also working on a supplement covering the Interwar period armies of Central Asia!
The Back of Beyond title is a working title, I am not sure if I may get into any copyright issues by doing so...
BTW- How to contact Mr. Copplestone? I have ordered countless times via his website, but there seems to be no email address?
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Army of British India Gun - Brigade Games
Anyway - what will be in the book? New or modified traits – covers all the traits you need to play with the units of this book. There are new traits (Grenades, Weak AA) to give you the “interwar feel”.
Army lists – the meat of the book – brings you the force structures and unit descriptions, pictures and stats for most of the factions involved in the troubled years between the wars in Central Asia.
Already written are the following army lists:
The Army of British India
The Bolsheviks
The Chinese Bandits
The Chinese Warlord Army
The Mad Baron’s Army
The Mongolian Tribes
The Tibetans
The White Russians
Stats for the following vehicle and air units will be also included:
Rolls-Royce Armoured Car
Lancaster 4x2 Armoured Car
Austin Armoured Car
Austin-Putilov Armoured Car
Austin-Kégresse Halftrack
Medium Mark C Tank
Vickers Medium Mk I Tank
Renault FT-17 Tank
Generic Biplane
Larger than life Characters and eccentric Equipment – special characters for all the army lists to give you even more options. Beware – some of these characters are indeed larger than life, they extend the game into a pulpier setting, away from the historical one.
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Artillery Officer
Communist Demagogue
The European Spy
The Big Game Hunter
Female Adventurer
Female Scholar
Foreign Bodyguard
Foreign Mortar Supplier
German Mercenaries
Heroic Scout
Mongol Princess
Mongol Shaman
Pilot Ace
Tibetan Lama with Yeti
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Vickers Medium Mk II
Vickers Medium Mk III
Vickers A1E1 Independent
This book will require the use of Battlefield Evolution: World at War, available from Mongoose Publishing.
More on my website: http://www.adpublishing.de/html/back_of_beyond.html (http://www.adpublishing.de/html/back_of_beyond.html)
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There's a contact form at the bottom of the main page on the Copplestone site (just above all the little pictures of credit card symbols). I did have an email address, but it is on my old computer which isn't connected up to anything right now.
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There's a contact form at the bottom of the main page on the Copplestone site (just above all the little pictures of credit card symbols). I did have an email address, but it is on my old computer which isn't connected up to anything right now.
Thanks , PM sent to Mark! :)
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Sounds interesting ;)
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Sounds interesting ;)
seconded, looking forward to see more.
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seconded, looking forward to see more.
Thanks for moving the topic, indeed better here...
;)
If you have any questions, do not be shy to ask...
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My chinese playtest army, that's around 1000pts medium sized army.
(http://www.tag-web.de/sweetwater/chinese08.jpg)
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A great bunch, Tom! Never seen before your chinese cavalry, any close-ups?
If you have any questions, do not be shy to ask...
will do, Agis.
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The army is completely new, painted to get them on the table on short notice. They look quite all right on the pictures though.
The old army is still in the cabinet though :).
(http://www.tag-web.de/sweetwater/chinese03.jpg)
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thanks, Tom, looks very nice!
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Bloomin nice stuff. I will probably buy this game, and get entangled in yet another genre from the LAF. lol
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Like I said on sweetwater Tom,this is absolutely fantastic stuff! :-* :-*
Cheers
Christopher
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wow!! a very tempting project. Very interesting.
Very nice miniatures Agis and Tom.
Greetings from Argentina.
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The last couple of days I was writing a bit more on the historical background, while doing so I realized that the book would not be complete without the Basmachi and the possibiliyt to field a Turkish adviced army (Enver Pasha!).
So another army list will be included as well: The Basmachi!
I have to stop soon otherwise the book will get too big...
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Really interesting project, Agis, I will follow this regularly.
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Stunning models posted, looks very interesting.
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...and some more pics:
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Tank by Copplestone, Cavalry and Infantry by Old Glory
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1/63 Diecast Sopwith Camel, Pilot by Copplestone
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Superb sir! I salute you!!! :-*
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One more thing!
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I can NOT take the credit for painting the Cavalry and infantry.
I bought them years ago (IIRC via a PM here on the forum) from someone, unfortunately I can't remember from whom...
:'(
So if the unknown painter recognizes his work, please sent me PM and I will credit you properly!
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They look lovely, whoever they were painted by. The tank is just excellent. :)
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Looking quality to me
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Just all fantastic. :)
(http://www.adpublishing.de/assets/images/British_Cav_2.jpg)
Tank by Copplestone, Cavalry and Infantry by Old Glory
I have never bought any OG and have heard "they are not very good..." But these look excellent. What range are they from? And how do they compare with Copplestone and Foundry? (Am I missing out on some excellent figures here?)
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I have never bought any OG and have heard "they are not very good..." But these look excellent. What range are they from? And how do they compare with Copplestone and Foundry? (Am I missing out on some excellent figures here?)
I honestly do not know. The minis are OK, they are just too small compared to Copplestone minis. The newer BoB infantry by Copplestone are a head taller...
Foundry is a bit bigger but not that bad.
I will still use them all together...
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I have never bought any OG and have heard "they are not very good..." But these look excellent... Am I missing out on some excellent figures here?
No you're not.
I agree these look pretty good at this distance - which just goes to show that a decent paintjob goes a very long way.
But don't be seduced! I've bought three bags of OG troops (from three different ranges), and on all three occasions, the quality of the anatomy, sculpting and casting was so bad that out of each bag of 30 miniatures, I ended up using a mere handful which were good enough to pass muster and getting rid of the rest. In short, sorry, but I wouldn't touch them with a bargepole any more. I know some people like them, and I'm sure there are some good figures amongst what is a vast range. But generally, the quality is a long way behind the likes of Copplestone and most other current designers and manufacturers.
No reflection on Agis' lovely picture :)
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Just to point out that those OG figs are Victorian colonial Brits, so not really in the right gear for 1920s "BoB." As to Orctrader's question I think they may be from the Boer War range.
Not judging anyone who wants to use them thus, I just don't want Orctrader buying a load and then thinking he's been swizzed. :)
I'm one of those people who thinks they don't much like Old Glory - the bare metal doesn't inspire me much. But they do tend to look pretty good when some talented soul has a good old go at them, as Agis' picture shows.
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Agis
Just a quickie - how did you do the weathering on the Sopwith?
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Just to point out that those OG figs are Victorian colonial Brits, so not really in the right gear for 1920s "BoB." As to Orctrader's question I think they may be from the Boer War range.
Not judging anyone who wants to use them thus, I just don't want Orctrader buying a load and then thinking he's been swizzed. :)
I'm one of those people who thinks they don't much like Old Glory - the bare metal doesn't inspire me much. But they do tend to look pretty good when some talented soul has a good old go at them, as Agis' picture shows.
In any case they look far better than our old arch-nemesis Tiger Miniatures.
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Agis
Just a quickie - how did you do the weathering on the Sopwith?
Thinned down wash of Armypainter dipping fluid, brushed on.
Then Matt varnsih and some Tamiya weathering powder.
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Ta!
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Ah, thanks. No OG purchase then. :)
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90% of OG is crap. But some ranges are really nice. Id stack their Landsknects up against anybody, but for the most part, their 25-28mm stuff is terrible. I use the 10mm alot. Now, their prices can't be beat. If they could find a good sculptor, mixed with their prices, they'd clean up.
Life's too short to paint sh*tty lead.
-J
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While writing up some character background I realized that the Big Game hunter could be used to present good old Quatermain on the table.
I quick League of Extraordinary Gentlemen check revealed that both Quatermain and Mina Harker are alive in the Century comic.
What do you think, would it be cool to have gamestats for these two in Back of Beyond?
And are the names copyright protected? The League is, but what abot the original character names?
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Haggard's work is in the public domain, I believe Bram Stoker's is too.
But I woud be remiss as a Quatermain fan if I failed to point out that he died in 1885. But let's say for the sake of argument that this is not the case, he would celebrate his 100th birthday in 1917, making him a little old for adventuring in the 1920s. :)
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Id stack their Landsknects up against anybody, but for the most part, their 25-28mm stuff is terrible.
I have spanish swords from the same range, and they are not really nice - not as awful as several others.
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Haggard's work is in the public domain, I believe Bram Stoker's is too.
But I woud be remiss as a Quatermain fan if I failed to point out that he died in 1885. But let's say for the sake of argument that this is not the case, he would celebrate his 100th birthday in 1917, making him a little old for adventuring in the 1920s. :)
In the comic background Quatermain and Mina find the Fountain of Eternal Youth. To keep this a secret they tell everyone that the now young Quatermain is his own nephew. So while he would indeed be in his 100s, he's looking damn good for his age. ;)
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In the comic background Quatermain and Mina find the Fountain of Eternal Youth. To keep this a secret they tell everyone that the now young Quatermain is his own nephew. So while he would indeed be in his 100s, he's looking damn good for his age. ;)
Exactly my background idea!
:)
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Some preview pages to give you an idea of the layout...
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Preview Page of the Historical setting
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Preview Page of an army list intro
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the layout is amazing, Agis! I really looking forward for your book.
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the layout is amazing, Agis! I really looking forward for your book.
Thanks! I am on it. Austin Putilov is on the painting table already primed, hopefully next week more playtest games, it all goes these days! 8)
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Looks great!
Will it be available as a printed book? :)
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Looks great!
Will it be available as a printed book? :)
Unfortunately NO. :'(
The sales numbers of our books so far are just not justifying the effort. :(
A.D.Publishing is basically still a zero profit endeavor. Just a work of love of hobby enthusiast...
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All the ones you have done so far have looked fantastic but not quite interesting enough for my personal taste. Coupled with the fact I am not a pdf fan I am yet to send any dosh your way.
This title however is much more interesting and I will get a copy however it comes but would so prefer a printed book.
Whats the minimum run you could have printed economically? Could you pre-sell it to cover costs? Is it worth starting a poll to canvass interest and opinion?
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This title however is much more interesting and I will get a copy ...
Whoahh! That from you? I was always under the impression that you REALLY disliked the Evolution system and my work. Thanks Svennn!
Whats the minimum run you could have printed economically? Could you pre-sell it to cover costs? Is it worth starting a poll to canvass interest and opinion?
I put some serious thought into printing of my books. To make it economically sound in the quality I WANT it would require a run in the 4 digits. The problem is not to just to print it, a book like this should be printed in high quality and full color. Print on demand quality is easily done, in fact I could already participate on the PoD program of Wargames Vault, but would you really like to have this book in low quality b&w?
I doubt that.
I honestly do not see much reason to do it as dead tree product. As with all my books you will get a full color version and a printer friendly b&w version.
IMO best of both worlds, if you like it printed you can go to any copy shop, print in color and let it bind. If you go for a friendly battle with your buddies, just print the pages you need in low quality, make notes on it or whatever. I really like it this way. In addition the books readers are getting more and more widespread.
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Agis, there are a lot of print shop available in the baltics who can offer you a very low price for good quality. I also know a good one in Poland that I got some contacts with.
PM me and i'll try to sort you out something.
Don't want this beautiful layout to be wasted on a pdf...
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Agis, there are a lot of print shop available in the baltics who can offer you a very low price for good quality. I also know a good one in Poland that I got some contacts with.
PM me and i'll try to sort you out something.
Don't want this beautiful layout to be wasted on a pdf...
Honestly thanks for the offer, but let us start with the pdf, let us see how it goes and then we'll see...
8)
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Ahh well, I'll probably buy it anyway. Looks better laid out than the actual Evo rulebooks, which are quite boring really.
As you say, I'd buy it and give it to a print shop. Luckily, there is a cheap one at Uni, specifically for the art students... :)
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Ahh well, I'll probably buy it anyway. Looks better laid out than the actual Evo rulebooks, which are quite boring really.
Not my responsibility, the layout of the Mongoose books are made there... :-I
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I think it looks really cool and I certainly am interested. 8) 8)
Cheers
Christopher
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Not my responsibility, the layout of the Mongoose books are made there... :-I
Not saying it is your responsibility.
Lets just say my experiences with MGP haven't been quite so silver lined as some others.
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Another preview spread:
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...and a certain independent Journalist(http://www.adpublishing.de/assets/images/Tintin_face_sms.jpg)
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Great!Keep it going! 8) 8)
Christopher
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One more thing!
(http://www.adpublishing.de/assets/images/British_Cav_2.jpg)
I can NOT take the credit for painting the Cavalry and infantry.
I bought them years ago (IIRC via a PM here on the forum) from someone, unfortunately I can't remember from whom...
:'(
So if the unknown painter recognizes his work, please sent me PM and I will credit you properly!
I painted the Brits years ago. Agis' excellent photography and setting has done them a great service. Old Glory can be a real hit and miss, but I the Colonial range is one of their better ones. Not the easiest figures to get a decent paint job from. I think it has a lot to do with a painter's style. I like painting the OG figures, but it takes time getting used to them. Oddly I really don't like painting Perry Figures, beautiful sculpts but just don't suit the way I paint.
Pat
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If I had the money/time I'd jump at this. Very cool indeed.
No you're not.
I agree these look pretty good at this distance - which just goes to show that a decent paintjob goes a very long way.
But don't be seduced! I've bought three bags of OG troops (from three different ranges), and on all three occasions, the quality of the anatomy, sculpting and casting was so bad that out of each bag of 30 miniatures, I ended up using a mere handful which were good enough to pass muster and getting rid of the rest. In short, sorry, but I wouldn't touch them with a bargepole any more. I know some people like them, and I'm sure there are some good figures amongst what is a vast range. But generally, the quality is a long way behind the likes of Copplestone and most other current designers and manufacturers
The only order I've ever made from OG are Mahdists, and I was very pleased with them. Have a look at my second entry for the LPL (the mass of warriors) for a closer look (although, not a great photo). They seems to be very hit-and-miss.
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A lot of OG 25/28mm from what I've seen is less then good,however OG 15's are quite good with a special mention to their ACW which is very good.
Christopher
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And more previews...
(http://www.adpublishing.de/assets/images/Austin_Putilov1.jpg)
1/48 Austin Putilov by Sloppy Jaloppy, bit big but still way cool...
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Who makes that notTintin?
:-* me wants
I guess its from Copplestone but which range? I can't find him on C`s webstore
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Who makes that notTintin?
I guess its from Copplestone but which range? I can't find him on C`s webstore
Gangsters: GN9 Sleuths
(http://www.copplestonecastings.co.uk/images/gn9.jpg)
http://www.copplestonecastings.co.uk/range.php?range=GAN
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Thanks, Overlord!
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More preview pages...
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The Arms Dealer from the "larger than Life Characters" section... Another beautiful Copplestone mini!
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Preview Page of one of the experimental tanks you can get buy using the optional Character rules.
The book is in final play test at the moment.
I am aiming at a June 2010 release. Expect 120+ pages...
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The Back of Beyond title is a working title, I am not sure if I may get into any copyright issues by doing so...
You won't. "Back of beyond" is an expression coined by Sir Walter Scott.
Beautiful work, by the way. ;)
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Excellent work! :-* I'm sorely tempted to open yet another new period. Must... resist! o_o
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Excellent work! :-* I'm sorely tempted to open yet another new period. Must... resist! o_o
Don't! I have lost track of all the periods I am interested in...
;)
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Another preview page spread...
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