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Miniatures Adventure => Pikes, Muskets and Flouncy Shirts => Topic started by: Prof.Witchheimer on June 04, 2007, 10:35:08 PM
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just got painted my first chinese pirates:
(http://www.witchhunter.net/blog/images/07_06_04_chinese_pirates.jpg)
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Those are very pretty!
Jo:)
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Hhmmmm... I diden´t like the skin color but after all they are good painted miniatures .
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Great job on the green shirt on the first guy!
Skin looks okay to me! :?
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both shirts are really nice!
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Hhmmmm... I diden´t like the skin color but after all they are good painted miniatures .
hmm...i don't think your chinese skin looks really different :mrgreen:
painted by Grimm:
(http://grimm.backofbeyond.de/images/pulp/china/chinese_16.jpg)
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Oh cool, on Saturday I'll watch Hamburg Sea Devils vs Frankfurt Galaxy :o
nice minis btw :wink:
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I've got some of those Chinese figures, they paint up beautifully. Nice ones Prof :) I can't see anything wrong with the flesh tones....
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A few details about painting oriental skin would be appreciated Prof, I have some Pulp Figures Tong that need painting in the near future.
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is it my PC or is your skin color darker then mine ?
The darker skin is maby more realistic but I like yellow pulpy one like mine .
But Annyway I like your Paintig style and I wish I have the skills to paint figures in your way :roll:
And I will kill these figures at the next meeting :twisted:
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A few details about painting oriental skin would be appreciated Prof, I have some Pulp Figures Tong that need painting in the near future.
GW Bestial Brown, GW Snakebite Leather, Vallejo Medium Fleshtone and Vallejo Sunny Skintone
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Alllllll! Allllll! Shivel me bamboos, matey!
:lol:
Very, very nice. I like the dark effect of the skintone - looks suitably tanned by exposure to the South China Sea sun.
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suddenly had the idea to paint the guys black. What do you think? Shall I paint the rest of the gang that way or better a colourful one?
(http://www.witchhunter.net/blog/images/07_06_05_black_chinese_pirates.jpg)
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My vote goes to the black.
Pat
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I think the Black looks great!
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I really like the black. You might try painting officers in red with black trim. I can suggest this since you can paint both red and black and not have it look like crap. :)
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Black indeed!!! Looks awesome and makes the guys more sinister and look like a well organized gang.
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They definately look like a very mean bunch painted that way :)
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black, black, black.
:mrgreen:
Z.
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Yes, black is very cool, and as Keyan wrote, you could then use them as members of a Triad, as well!
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day two
(http://www.witchhunter.net/blog/images/07_06_06_chinese_pirates.jpg)
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Prof,
Those look awsome :o , the black scheme does give them more of an Evil feel to them. now what are you going to do for the Captain??? Have you found a good figure yet??
Keep up the work...
TJSKI
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I was going to cast a dissenting vote against black because I think Chinese figures represent a great opportunity to paint in blazing colors. However, it's too late now, and these figures are fantastically well painted as a mean lot of evil villans. I've got to bow to that.
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Alex you are a Ace !!! The the black scheme in amazing !!!!
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Those look awsome :o , the black scheme does give them more of an Evil feel to them. now what are you going to do for the Captain??? Have you found a good figure yet??
the captain...that's the problem...all the Foundry chineses are just regular ones...here some other minis, Brigade and Pulp, all three have moustaches, I think that's important for a chinese captain. The old guy in the middle could be a sort of a chinese crime mastermind leading pirates. Otherwise I like a lot the one on the left, the right one looks sinister but his hat isn't really suitable to a captain, rather for a peasant
What do you think? Other mini suggestions are welcome!
(http://forum.backofbeyond.de/images/misc/07_06_07_chinese_pirates.jpg)
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[quote="Prof.WitchheimerWhat do you think? Other mini suggestions are welcome![/quote]
Excellent color choice, 'heimer. The small embroideries really makes the miniatures.
As for captains I like the old fart you picked up but I also, for a Corto Maltese theme, have this suggestion:
(http://www.copplestonecastings.co.uk/images/bc21.jpg)
The widow to the right would make an excellent femme fatal captain, I think.
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thought about those, too. But unfortunately they're too modern for my purposes. I think I'm going to paint both, the old chap and the Brigade one (on the left).
And I'm thinking about to give them chap on the right a standard. Any ideas how does a chinese pirate banner look ?
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I think you have a good choice of captains there.
If I remember properly, Chinese pirate kings really were older, savvier pirates who left the actual dirty work of raiding to their younger lieutenants. The Chinese pirates were less demanding on the charisma of the captain than their Caribbean and European counterparts. Family ties were pretty strong as well, and there is less incentive to knock off Great Uncle Wang just because you'd like to be in charge now.
No idea what a Chinese standard would look like. The Chinese are big on flags, though, so you could make it just about anything. My personal vote would be a flag for prosperity: A large carp, the Chinese characters for 168, and some suitable trigram from the I Ching.
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Greetings
And I'm thinking about to give them chap on the right a standard. Any ideas how does a chinese pirate banner look ?
Hum.. perhaps a variation of a warflag? This one is the 'official' Chinese one from 1872 (http://www.allstates-flag.com/fotw/images/c/cn_1872.gif) I think.
The 'Principles of War' website does offer a "Boxer Rebellion Banner and Posters" set (http://www.principlesofwar.com/miva/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=SQU-15-39&Category_Code=CBG) I guess its 15mm though. Perhaps it can be expanded to 28mm. The set price is 0,80GBP
I also found a few at Warflag.com (http://www.warflag.com/flags/colonial/boxer.shtml). I especially like Plate number 3
Hope that helps a bit
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These chinese are so versatile, (lovely paint job too ), form your figures they can be Tongs/Triads, pirates, boxers, bandits
with the addition of a Kurt Russell figure -big trouble in little china :D
You can use them to fight gangsters and Victorians (I plan on this once my Gangs of Newyork are done/come out of the paint box).
Dont forget the Tong gang from Westwind range they arent too bad and the Brigade ones form the Gangs range are OK too. :mrgreen:
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By the way, Professor, did you see this junk kit?:
(http://www.moduni.de/picture/500/6/3/6/1/6361202.jpg)
While with its 1/60 scale it is on the small side it is not always noticable. A plastic kit is also often easy convert where there are obvious scale problems as in portholes, doors etc...
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Prof,
I would go with your choice of the guy on the left. The old man is nice, but seems a little too old to be sailing the high seas. The guy on the right looks to be more of a regular sort of guy than a captain. And after seeing PotC AWE last night (Finally!) I would stick with the guy on the left.
Look forward to seeing them painted...
TJSKI
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another possible miniature, a Foundry imperial chinese from the Jingall crew. Could be a captain or a quartermaster. What do you think?
(http://forum.backofbeyond.de/images/misc/07_06_07_chinese_captain.jpg)
hammershield, thanks for link, but i think it would be too small :(
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another possible miniature, a Foundry imperial chinese from the Jingall crew. Could be a captain or a quartermaster. What do you think?
(http://forum.backofbeyond.de/images/misc/07_06_07_chinese_captain.jpg)
hammershield, thanks for link, but i think it would be too small :(
Prof,
He looks good & I would use him as a Quartermaster, I still like you first choice, but thats me :mrgreen:
TJSKI
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I think, you're right, Tim, the Brigade one looks just more respectable :)
(http://forum.backofbeyond.de/images/misc/07_06_07_chinese_captains.jpg)
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and the next bunch, now I think I have enough regulars for this "black" gang, the captain, quartermaster, mates will follow. The rest of the Foundry minis will painted more colourfull, as alternate gang
(http://www.witchhunter.net/blog/images/07_06_06_chinese_pirates_1.jpg)
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Very nice!
I see some in there that could work for Wuxia type stuff too. May have to start looking at some of these more closely.
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Yup, the chap resting his sword on his shoulder has stepped straight from the 'Martial Arts World'.
(He looks like Dugu Wudi, searching for the Bastard Swordsman) 8)
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Prof., have you painted some of the Pulp Figures Chinese? I think that there are about 5 packs of Pulp Figures that would work as Chinese pirates, three packs armed with swords and various other weapons, one pack armed with muskets, and the "axe gang" pack. Some of the other individual Pulp Figures could also be useful.
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yes, I have the packs and I was going to take them in consideration but they're too different, the sculpting style and the scale, the Foundry ones are more chunkier. Maybe I will use them for the alternate more-colour-crew
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and the finish of the Black gang:
from left - cutthroat, mate, captain, mate, quartermaster
(http://www.witchhunter.net/blog/images/07_06_08_chinese_captain_crew.jpg)
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Nicely done with the red for the officers. I particularly like the freehand on the quartermaster's jacket.
Red, black, and white, painted well. Three colors I am incapable of painting. This is why I love this site.
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and the whole sinister crew
(http://www.witchhunter.net/blog/images/07_06_08_chinese_pirate_crew.jpg)
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and the finish of the Black gang:
from left - cutthroat, mate, captain, mate, quartermaster
(http://www.witchhunter.net/blog/images/07_06_08_chinese_captain_crew.jpg)
Prof,
You killing me man! nice work again, heck I just based up a few Old Glory Pirates of the month I have been sitting on for a while last night. Didn't have time to paint, and here you go kicking out figures we talked about yesterday being done today. To quote a movie I recently watched,
Alex, Your the Man!
TJSKI
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and the start of the alternate crew
the cute ape is from Black Cat Bases, thanks to Jo for the mini :)
(http://www.witchhunter.net/blog/images/07_06_17_ape_chinese.jpg)
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btw, are you familiar with eureka's chinese? I painted a few of them and they are awesome figures.
http://eurekamin.com.au/index.php?cPath=87_126_170&sort=3a
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I particularely like the guy with war maraccas.
(http://eurekamin.com.au/images/100PIR35.jpg)
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appologies for the intrusion but here was my attempt
http://napnuts.smugmug.com/gallery/2767902/1/147307624/Original
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Excellent, excellent work, Fats! Your miniatures look everything I want mine to look. You obviously have a very good eye for natural colours and subtle hilite/shadow scales.
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Death by maraccas! Next thing you know we're going to have figures of Carmen Miranda plugging people with fruit. :lol:
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If we're to have fruit-related minis of singers, then can I have Josephine Baker and her bananas?
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Is there a kung-fu initiate arround the forum who knows what those balls actually are?
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fatgoblin - You have a great collection there. :) Soem beautifullypainted miniatures. :D
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They are Maces, the twin mace style is taught as part of Wushu.
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thanks!
Just think of them as maces and you won't be too far wrong.
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Yes of course, I have seen them before, I just wonder what the hell is the close combat benfits of wielding two watermelon sized balls of iron. Are they like mythological weapons?
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I think it's mostly a traditional thing over a practical one, where that comes from I'm not sure but I should be seeing the man I know who learned the forms tonight so I'll ask him.
Lots of Martial Arts weapons are descended from farming tools, the idea being that these will be things that monks or peasants would have to hand, so they learn to defend themselves with them.
Wushu students are expected not just to wield them, but to perform acrobatics while doing so. It's all a bit mad that Kung Fu.
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Hi all,
i'm a new member from the biggest plain of Italy.
As a long time lurker, there is full of inspiration in this friendly forum.
First of all: the "black" chinese pirates... I will copy them!!! :roll:
Ciao
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Welcome! The biggest plain, that's got to be the Po plain, right?
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Nah, one of those Caproni bombers from the Great War, I reckon:
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/caproni.jpg)
You did say plane, didn't you? :)
Hi there!
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Wussy little bomber!
(http://members.jcom.home.ne.jp/mig_exp/caproni-60.jpg)
Enough with the spamming, welcome to the forum!
@Topic:
Hot damn! Now I´m hard pressed with the junk!
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off topic..... sorry!
Many chinese pugilist custom make extreme weapons that takes advantage of their strength, or at least mythologically they did. This was not only to make them better fighters but were quite often used to make them out as unique and help them to win fame.
Striding into a duel with twin maraccas of death and onlookers will go "look! Its Twin Iron Balls Chen of Hebei!"
You have to realise as well that chinese martial arts in the past emphasised internal strength that can multiply your strength beyond what you would think human muscles can produce (hence the smashing holes in brick walls)
More so than farming tools, a lot of academic/nobility equiments were transformed into weapons to show the cultivation of the user as both proficient in combat as well as being well educated. Things like a brush (which was used as a writing instrument), abacus, fan, flute, and just about any other musical instruments they could get their hands on (they believed that the internal strength of the pugilist could be transfered into the weapon not only to produce explosive attacking power but also to protect it from harm when struck against steel weapons).
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That's not an aeroplane, it's a golf driving range! :)
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Thank you all,
well, in fact I live only a few kilometers from the old airplane factory Caproni :) in the middle of the Po valley. But I'm not going to scratch build a big Caproni bomber to be used for a pulp scenario in 28mm. I'm not so crazy! At least, not again... even if the figures are still painted. But only because this is the swashbucklink part of the forum and it's of topic :lol:
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Hi, I'm new and trying to catch up fast with the dozens of miniature lines
floating around that cover swashbuckling.
Foundry's China section is 'offline'. Does anyone have a set of pictures that
could help me order from this line? Wouldn't mind seeing the War of 1812
stuff either for that matter.
Thanks!
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Hhmmmm... I diden´t like the skin color but after all they are good painted miniatures .
Do you think they are too dark? Chinese skin come in many hues (as du caucasian), and I think those have the right colour for 'South China Seas'. If you go up north, or to Korea, I think the skin should be much closer to caucasian, but with a brownish/yellowish hue... I could be wrong, of course... :roll:
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Where can I buy this???
EDIT: OK, a simple Googling... €84,90!!! :x - I know it's a big set, but this is GW-culous...
Another edit: Here they claim the scale to be 1/244:
http://www.yatego.com/modellbau-seidel/p,473a089ad01a0,4417fa4c6b2cc8_8,chengho-sailing-ship--l%C3%A4nge-60cm---1-244
By the way, Professor, did you see this junk kit?:
(http://www.moduni.de/picture/500/6/3/6/1/6361202.jpg)
While with its 1/60 scale it is on the small side it is not always noticable. A plastic kit is also often easy convert where there are obvious scale problems as in portholes, doors etc...
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At 60cm it can't really be 1/244, can it? It would be 150 meters long, which is, what?, 500 foot? Sounds very long for a medeival junk.
At 1/60 it would be 36 meters or something like 120 foot.
A 60cm playing piece would sit proudly on the gamingtable mefinks.
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Those pirates are so fricking cool. I'm behind the times so thanks to those that resurrected this thread.
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At 60cm it can't really be 1/244, can it? It would be 150 meters long, which is, what?, 500 foot? Sounds very long for a medeival junk.
At 1/60 it would be 36 meters or something like 120 foot.
A 60cm playing piece would sit proudly on the gamingtable mefinks.
I have here cut/pasted a text from here:
http://superbox.at/chinese-chengho-sailing-ship-trumpeter-p-2966.html
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Chengho, the name of an ancient Chinese nautical voyager during the Ming Dynasty (1372-1435), was originally a court eunuch. Under an imperial edict in 1405 to contact Western civilizations, Chengho led a sailing team to conduct seven ocean voyages between 1405 to 1430. With the guidance of nautical astronomy, their voyages crossed the Southwest Pacific Ocean, the Indian Ocean, reached the coasts of what is now Southeast Asia then continued by crossing the Arabian Sea to Southern and Eastern Africa. More than 30 countries were visited over a 28 year time period. Chengho’s sailing was the first recorded ocean voyage in ancient China and, quite possibly, in the history of the world. Chengho’s vessel was the flagship of his large sailing team. According to books of Ming history, his ship was 44 zhang (A Chinese measuring unit which equals about 3.33 meters) in length and 10 zhang in width. It had 9 masts and 12 sails. This model kit is made in 60cm size scale.
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44 times 3.33 metres: 146,52.
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At 60cm it can't really be 1/244, can it? It would be 150 meters long, which is, what?, 500 foot? Sounds very long for a medeival junk.
At 1/60 it would be 36 meters or something like 120 foot.
A 60cm playing piece would sit proudly on the gamingtable mefinks.
I have here cut/pasted a text from here:
http://superbox.at/chinese-chengho-sailing-ship-trumpeter-p-2966.html
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Chengho, the name of an ancient Chinese nautical voyager during the Ming Dynasty (1372-1435), was originally a court eunuch. Under an imperial edict in 1405 to contact Western civilizations, Chengho led a sailing team to conduct seven ocean voyages between 1405 to 1430. With the guidance of nautical astronomy, their voyages crossed the Southwest Pacific Ocean, the Indian Ocean, reached the coasts of what is now Southeast Asia then continued by crossing the Arabian Sea to Southern and Eastern Africa. More than 30 countries were visited over a 28 year time period. Chengho’s sailing was the first recorded ocean voyage in ancient China and, quite possibly, in the history of the world. Chengho’s vessel was the flagship of his large sailing team. According to books of Ming history, his ship was 44 zhang (A Chinese measuring unit which equals about 3.33 meters) in length and 10 zhang in width. It had 9 masts and 12 sails. This model kit is made in 60cm size scale.
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44 times 3.33 metres: 146,52.
That's a big honkin' boat, that is! Any truth to it or is it just an old myth?
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S'truth. The Chinese would have been a world naval power if they hadn't been going through one of their utterly insensible Ultra-Confuscian stages, and they decided that sailing out of sight of land should be punishable by death.
Once again, history is stranger than any fiction ever written.
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Go to the library and see if there is a copy of Gavin Menzies' book "1421: the Year China Discovered America." He can't prove his points, but he does describe the parts of Ming naval expeditions in the Indian Ocean which are well recorded. The Chinese were building ships that were incredibly huge and they were sailing long distances to the east coast of Africa, and possibly further. The expedition to Africa was called "The Star Raft" and was conducted with such a large fleet that it boggles the mind. Believe what you want about whether the Ming fleets made it to America :wink: