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Title: Future Wars questions and Predator rule questions
Post by: Darthvegeta800 on May 01, 2010, 06:42:04 PM
Hello I'm a newcomer.
I play WH40K (Grey Knights), War of the Ring (pure Easterlings) and have begun the slow process of gathering Dark Elves for WH:F. I'll get to that once I finished painting my Easterlings.
I paint everything and get a lot of enjoyment out of it despite being a very sub par painter but I have improved somewhat over the years.
Once long ago I played VOID 1.1 being a historian by education and a little bit a naught fascist imperialist ;) I loved the Junkers, they got me into the hobby. Regretfully the game died here. 

But that set asside...

Predators...

I'm looking for a fun skirmish rulesystem. Commercial or otherwise and I wish to include Predators as my 'team'. So an ability to field powerful, tough and if possible 'cloaked' units would be nice. Of course outnumbered. My opponent is probably going to field some high tech but not power armored troops, quite possibly also from Copplestone. Think 'Colonial' Marines from the Aliens movies. I'm hoping for a game focussed on a handful of miniatures fighting it out. So not squads, platoons or the likes.
So far the best choice seems the Copplestone Minis where you get 10 different ones for 16 pounds. Heresy has a cool hunter but he's very pricey for just one.


My question now is... what rulesystem would suit them? Necromunda seems tempting but i'm sure you guys have some advice on what to pick.

And where can I find the Future Wars rules? And what are the Preds like in that game?
Title: Re: Future Wars questions and Predator rule questions
Post by: Gluteus Maximus on May 01, 2010, 06:52:34 PM
Welcome to the LAF!   :D


I'd recommend "5150", from Two Hour Wargames:

http://www.angelfire.com/az3/twohourwargames/sci-fi.html

(http://www.angelfire.com/az3/twohourwargames/images/covers/5150-sml.jpg)

There are stats for "not-Aliens" in there which replicate the movie version very well and by looking at what they and the various human characters can do, it would be very easy to design your own Predators. 5150 is a very easy to learn and play system that can be enjoyed equally as solo or multi-player. Would you believe most games last about 2 hours?   ;)
Title: Re: Future Wars questions and Predator rule questions
Post by: Darthvegeta800 on May 01, 2010, 07:05:42 PM
Aah nifty... why this one over the others?
What's so good about it?
Title: Re: Future Wars questions and Predator rule questions
Post by: rob_alderman on May 01, 2010, 07:32:03 PM
You seem shackled to GW. Try experimenting with a few sets yourself. Try and find them cheaply on eBay, they DO pop up.

No problem with GW rules, there are just better suited ones out there. I wrote my own Post-apoc rules when I was 12 and have been tweaking it ever since. Someday it WILL see print!!!!  :D

This is meant to be quite a good set of cheap rules:
http://www.blease.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/WG.firewall2136ad.html
Title: Re: Future Wars questions and Predator rule questions
Post by: Gluteus Maximus on May 01, 2010, 07:34:28 PM
Aah nifty... why this one over the others?
What's so good about it?

Well, as I said - quick, easy to learn, great solo playability and only a couple of hours to play a game to a definite conclusion. Reasonable price too and can be used or adapted for virtually any tv/film/book universe or something you've cooked up youself, with any figures you own in most reasonable skirmish scales (say 15mm -54mm?).

Is there any more you might want from a set of rules?  lol

 ;)
Title: Re: Future Wars questions and Predator rule questions
Post by: Darthvegeta800 on May 01, 2010, 07:37:28 PM
You seem shackled to GW. Try experimenting with a few sets yourself. Try and find them cheaply on eBay, they DO pop up.

No problem with GW rules, there are just better suited ones out there. I wrote my own Post-apoc rules when I was 12 and have been tweaking it ever since. Someday it WILL see print!!!!  :D

This is meant to be quite a good set of cheap rules:
http://www.blease.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/WG.firewall2136ad.html

LOL GW is fine for what it does. I love the fluff/background of their games.
But I suppose the Microsoft of miniatures will naturally suffer mass attacks.
Besides... I want to find players ;)


But i'm open minded or I wouldn't be here. There are tons of rulesystems out there. The trick is finding one that's perfect for what you like/need.

I'm gonna check out the link. Sounds promising. Has anyone on the forum given the Hunter Aliens a try rulewise?
Title: Re: Future Wars questions and Predator rule questions
Post by: rob_alderman on May 01, 2010, 08:31:18 PM
Believe me, I have no problem with GW systems, I play them in fact! I also enjoy some of the background. I just thought you should consider other systems, which it appears you are, so that's fine.

What I would aim to look for, is something quite generic and open for your own influence. I.e. a system where you are not bound by the background material, turning fantasy into history. A gamer at one of the local clubs said that he couldn't understand why he couldn't field a unit of ratmen in an otherwise Orc and Goblin army... He suggested 'It's fantasy, therefore, I can do what I want!!!', but the ruleslawyers said 'But you have to have a specific allied contingent to use those and therefore need a blah blah blah'.

Of course, you could always adapt the rules, which is something you suggested. Yeah, by all means. Necromunda is a nice enough game system. You can shoot people in it, it works on a street level and it also works on a skirmish level. Sounds great. I am not a fan of the campaign system, so I would strip it of that.

Do try other systems though, you might find a great game in a rubbish format. Believe me, I have started a lot of games like that. Firewall 2136AD is meant to be a great game that has long been forgotten about. In fact, I'm really tempted by it myself.  :)
Title: Re: Future Wars questions and Predator rule questions
Post by: Darthvegeta800 on May 01, 2010, 08:37:44 PM
Is the actual Future Wars game any good?
http://rattrapproductions.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=13&products_id=77

Title: Re: Future Wars questions and Predator rule questions
Post by: rob_alderman on May 01, 2010, 08:47:13 PM
Can't say I know chap. It's quite popular though.

As is combat zone from Em4 miniatures.  :)
Title: Re: Future Wars questions and Predator rule questions
Post by: Darthvegeta800 on May 01, 2010, 08:48:41 PM
Thanks for all the info.

Any this one?
http://www.wargamedownloads.com/item.php?item=677
Title: Re: Future Wars questions and Predator rule questions
Post by: Onebigriver on May 01, 2010, 08:51:13 PM
Savage Worlds Showdown is a free set and there are rules for predators, marines and aliens.

http://www.peginc.com/Downloads/Showdown/Showdown.pdf

http://www.savageheroes.com/conversions/SWAVPv1.3.pdf
Title: Re: Future Wars questions and Predator rule questions
Post by: Darthvegeta800 on May 01, 2010, 09:00:30 PM
Savage Worlds Showdown is a free set and there are rules for predators, marines and aliens.

http://www.peginc.com/Downloads/Showdown/Showdown.pdf

http://www.savageheroes.com/conversions/SWAVPv1.3.pdf

I'm going to show this to my friend. I think he'll love it!
Title: Re: Future Wars questions and Predator rule questions
Post by: dexter on May 02, 2010, 01:15:15 AM
Flying Lead
 its fast easy  cheap and adaptable and you can build pretty much anything you like .It has a well supported yahoo group and forum
http://www.ganeshagames.net/
Title: Re: Future Wars questions and Predator rule questions
Post by: General M@yhem on May 02, 2010, 04:28:00 PM
Welcome to the LAF!   :D


I'd recommend "5150", from Two Hour Wargames:

http://www.angelfire.com/az3/twohourwargames/sci-fi.html

(http://www.angelfire.com/az3/twohourwargames/images/covers/5150-sml.jpg)

There are stats for "not-Aliens" in there which replicate the movie version very well and by looking at what they and the various human characters can do, it would be very easy to design your own Predators. 5150 is a very easy to learn and play system that can be enjoyed equally as solo or multi-player. Would you believe most games last about 2 hours?   ;)


The Chain reaction 3.0 rules by THW are also free, so you can try before you buy.The 5150 set is based on the Chain Reaction rules
Title: Re: Future Wars questions and Predator rule questions
Post by: Tomsche on May 02, 2010, 04:35:46 PM
I even fielded them with Where Heroes Dare! by Iron Ivan Games.  Though it is `made` for pulp games of the 1930s era, the assortment of skills and gadgets makes it perfectly possible to make them `as seen` in the movies

http://tomsche69.blogspot.com/2010/04/germany-claims-obelisk.html
Title: Re: Future Wars questions and Predator rule questions
Post by: Photographer on May 02, 2010, 05:05:26 PM
Thinking of organising a predator 2 like game at my club so thanks for the rules!

http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=17010.30
Title: Re: Future Wars questions and Predator rule questions
Post by: Gluteus Maximus on May 02, 2010, 07:33:19 PM

The Chain reaction 3.0 rules by THW are also free, so you can try before you buy.The 5150 set is based on the Chain Reaction rules

Very good point  :D
Title: Re: Future Wars questions and Predator rule questions
Post by: dijit on May 02, 2010, 07:44:18 PM
Well there are quite a few options. Personally I'm not a fan of 5150, but I know plenty of others that are, so I'll let them sing it's praises.
Chaos on Cronos - I've got the rulebook, read through, but yet to play it. It looks good, there's a good write up of some battles with it up at the moment by Agger. It uses the very popular goal system, which is vastly different from GW like games, and is very engaging. You could possibily also use some of the skills found in Supersystem to get more craziness in the game.
There's also Combat Zone from EM4, quite k rules, but I found they struggled to create some of the alien nasties and weird scifi tech that I wanted.
Flying Lead, is a great game based on the very popular Song of Blades and Heroes engine, it's quite new, and the few games I've had with it so far have been quite good, if you used some of the abilities from 'Mutants and Death Ray Guns' then you'd be able to field a predator quite well.
Then there's Crimson Dust, which I've written  myself (see my signiture at the bottom), as I couldn't find anything that suited me, I decided to write my own, and this is the result, though I'm still twicking it.
Duncan
Title: Re: Future Wars questions and Predator rule questions
Post by: Argonor on May 05, 2010, 01:14:52 PM
Future Wars has rules for 'Hunter Aliens'... and Terminator Robots.....  8)
Title: Re: Future Wars questions and Predator rule questions
Post by: LotB on May 05, 2010, 03:16:55 PM
[omissis]

Predators...

I'm looking for a fun skirmish rulesystem.

[omissis]

Hi, Darthvegeta800

we had made a futuristic versione of the wellknown game Fantasy Warriors.
We made the armies list for Predators too, based on the Copplestone's miniatures.

You can free downloaded the rules book and the armies lists, from the section NARAN FUTURE WARS of our site:

http://www.naran.it/

http://www.naran.it/FutureWars/FUW_index.htm

Sorry, the text is in Italian language only, so You will need a friend who knows our language to help you to translate. But it is totally free and complete.
Here You can see the images of the first games we had played:

http://www.naran.it/FutureWars/Immagini/aa_FUW_Immagini.htm

and the following are the pictures of the battles with the Predators (against Modern Italian Forces - Venexia miniatuers):

http://www.naran.it/FutureWars/Immagini/TempiModerni/Alpini_Predator_01/Battaglia.html

A selection of the above pictures:

(http://www.naran.it/FutureWars/Immagini/TempiModerni/Alpini_Predator_01/pics/pic10.jpg)

(http://www.naran.it/FutureWars/Immagini/TempiModerni/Alpini_Predator_01/pics/pic16.jpg)

(http://www.naran.it/FutureWars/Immagini/TempiModerni/Alpini_Predator_01/pics/pic18.jpg)

(http://www.naran.it/FutureWars/Immagini/TempiModerni/Alpini_Predator_01/pics/pic21.jpg)

Cheers,
Sergio
Naran Team Turin


You may see the images of the two first game we had played:
Title: Re: Future Wars questions and Predator rule questions
Post by: Photographer on May 08, 2010, 01:55:23 PM
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