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Title: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: Prof.Witchheimer on May 03, 2010, 09:17:19 PM
Dear friends,

It's always a bit sad when an LPL season comes to an end. So this time, too, I have to tell you that the Season Four of the Lead Painters League is over.

On the other hand, it’s always a welcome break from nonstop looking for ideas and minis for the next round, painting, varnishing, basing, photographing and so on…I know, I'm that way, too.

LPL is hard, maybe too hard, especially while it’s running, but honestly...now...after 10 rounds and lots of newly painted teams…a good feeling, isn’t it? Maybe it’s just me, but I like it exactly that way.

It was a great show again. 46 participants, hunderts of teams, thousands of minis, 230 matches, about 60.000 votes. I would say that as painters and wargamers we have every reason to be proud of us!

Now let me announce our winners…

And the winner of the Season Four of the LPL is…the Master of the Paints, the Magician of the Brush, the Lord of the Secrets of the Mysterious Art of Photography…the unrivalled Captain Blood! Well fighted, Richard, congratulations for winning the battle!

The second place goes to…sorry…never managed to write right his name …wait a minute…just have to copy and paste…the Knight of the Order of the Vivid Colors, the fabulous D@rth J@ymZ! Good performance, James!

And the third place goes to …the Prince of the Kingdom of the Marvelous Painting, the grandiose Heldrak!  Top notch entrance, Michael!

And now, as usual, some honorable mentions:
- Dolmot, who entered most creepy entries, fantastic and unusual choice of miniatures, everything very nicely painted, a true master of Horror!
- Hammers, who built most spectacular dioramas
- Chambersofminiatures , “who came within a whisker of a top three finish” again (s. Season 3) Patrick, I really hope next time you’ll more luck!
- Overlord, who managed to collect ALL possible theme bonus points!
- JMGraham, who demonstrated a quite uncommon painting style
- Greywolf, who painted not only his minis but also the setting backgrounds
- Silent Invader, who painted and SCULPTED his minis
- Froggy The Great, who discovered a really groundbreaking using of a computer mouse
- Uncle Mike, who entered a most delicious entry with his Evil-oompas and Nougat
- Doc Twilight, who painted really LOTS of spaceships

Sorry to all other participants, who haven’t been mentioned, YOU ALL HAVE SHOWN TREMENDOUS CREATIVITY and it’s been a pleasure and honor to run the league again. Thank you very much!

And last but not least…the final leader board…

(http://leadadventureforum.com/images/lpl/s04/lb/LPL_S4_Leaderboard_10_05_03.jpg)
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: answer_is_42 on May 03, 2010, 09:29:33 PM
#39?! Three off my target, damn. ::)

Good show everyone! Congratulations to the winners (and we'll all accept that Capt. Blood won freely and fairly. It's not like he was in a position to modify the results or anything ;)). Fantastic entries as always.

So. When's the next one?
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: Prof.Witchheimer on May 03, 2010, 09:32:59 PM
So. When's the next one?

Ask Captain, next time it's his turn  :D
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: Calimero on May 03, 2010, 09:37:35 PM

Yessss! I’m in the top 5… of the second half of the participants lol

Nice work to everyone’s who entered in the LPL.

Congratulations to the winner, nice work Richard 8)
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: Arcticman on May 03, 2010, 09:45:43 PM
Congratulations to all the entrants! It was a great start to every monday watching all the entires. Every week I found it difficult to choose whom to vote for, because of the great painting  and imagination involved.
Great show!
I might even participate next time just for the fun of it.
 :D
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: Uncle Mike on May 03, 2010, 10:26:41 PM
Great time! Can't wait till the next one! Thanx to everyone involved.
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: gamer Mac on May 03, 2010, 10:58:29 PM
Well deserved win Captain.
It been a great competition thanks for all the hard work running it Prof.
Congratulations to all who took part. Looking forward to seeing you all here again next year.
I am gobbed smacked that I managed to work (fought/sneaked) my way up to 16th, with the very high level of competition
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: Ray Rivers on May 04, 2010, 03:20:05 AM
Definitely a great season!

Congratulations to all competitors, from first to last, who provided so many beautiful entries, an enormous amount of creative and inspiring works of metal madness and who proved themselves to be true Adventurers for taking up and meeting the challenge of the Lead Painters' League.  I bow before each and everyone of you for your inspiring efforts and work.  Thank you all, very, very much.

And, lest we forget....

Three Cheers for the Prof... the first for hosting this marvelous contest... the second for not only running the show but competing as well... and the third for his wonderful entries which set the standard for which others had to overcome.

You are a Real Gentlemen, Alex.
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: CPT Shanks on May 04, 2010, 05:42:41 AM
WHAT? No mention of 44, 45, and 46 in the lead we liked least category?  :o lol
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: Mancha on May 04, 2010, 05:49:14 AM
I must say, I most like the honorable mentions.  Thanks for highlighting the odd accomplishments.
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: Blackwolf on May 04, 2010, 06:32:44 AM
I must say, I most like the honorable mentions.  Thanks for highlighting the odd accomplishments.

 I concur  :). Thankyou Prof. for the mention,it has made my day :)
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: Tomsche on May 04, 2010, 06:41:56 AM
It was a great thing to participate in, and congratulations to the winners!!

Bit addictive though as I painted the whole saturday to get my fresh entry done... let`s just try to keep that momentum going and I might actually get off the first layer of Lead Mountain before 2017  lol

Next time, I`ll definitly be participating again, this is great fun
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: valleyboy on May 04, 2010, 08:11:08 AM
I really enjoyed following this and have never taken such a keen interest in a painting comp before
The entries really were most impressive, I hope those taking part had as much enjoyment as I did from admiring your efforts over the past 10 rounds
well done to you all and thank you
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: Captain Blood on May 04, 2010, 08:51:32 AM

we'll all accept that Capt. Blood won freely and fairly. It's not like he was in a position to modify the results or anything ;)


lol

Yes, it's a bit off really, isn't it. I honestly didn't think I was going to come top this time - I didn't even chase all the possible bonus points, dammit  ;)

Next time I shall definitely sit it out!

Mind you, it was only by a whisker. Congratulations to D@rth, Heldrak and Chambers. You pushed me very very close  :)


So. When's the next one?


Ask Captain, next time it's his turn  :D

I think we all need a break for a few months, don't we? But I will be happy to run LPL5 in due course. (Although I might take up one or two offers of assistance with the bookkeeping side of things! It really is a shedload of work.)

Thanks Alex, for running the show. A great undertaking all round, with many wonderful and creative entries. Well done to everyone that took part, and especially those who kept up with the punishing pace. It is, as they say, a marathon not a sprint!  ;)

Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: Hammers on May 04, 2010, 08:55:28 AM
Big round of applause for the professor, everyone.

LPL is hard, maybe too hard, especially while it’s running, but honestly...now...after 10 rounds and lots of newly painted teams…a good feeling, isn’t it? Maybe it’s just me, but I like it exactly that way.

It is for me, as I have said, but that doesn't mean there is anything wrong with the competition. You could potentially send in entries at a pace and quality which agrees with you as long as you don't mind not winning. But if you are, like me, in it if not to win at least to see how you measure up against the other fellow whose work you like*), then it can become pretty rough.

To me there is quite a conflict in LPL. Planning an  entry is all about inspiration and I can't see myself making something just to get an entry in. And it *has* to look good, to me, otherwise there is no point. To achieve this within a week is almost impossible to me and therefore it becomes a chore which is not good since this is supposed to be a hobby **).

I therefore doubt I will participate next time ***) unless I can find more spare time in my life. Unfortunately I have heard several others indicating this as a reason why they don't participate.



*)...and hopefully make him/her smart a little. Hey, Captain Blood, round 9, did it hurt a bit? ;)
**)...says the guy with so many posts the LPL is creakig at the seams...
***)Something I've said a couple of time just to change my mind at the last minute. I am a very complex and interesting guy that way.
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: Plynkes on May 04, 2010, 09:02:11 AM
Fix!



(Only joking.)
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: Blackwolf on May 04, 2010, 09:08:48 AM
Could I suggest a single mini LPL5? What I mean is that instead of a team, one would enter a single figure each round,tho' using the same LPL parameters. However the biggest problem of this idea is that it may attract more entrys and cause a logistical nightmare.Just a thought.I'm happy to do another LPL whatever the rules.



 Regards and thankyou (everyone)

      Guy


 
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: Hammers on May 04, 2010, 09:14:48 AM
Could I suggest a single mini LPL5? What I mean is that instead of a team, one would enter a single figure each round,tho' using the same LPL parameters. However the biggest problem of this idea is that it may attract more entrys and cause a logistical nightmare.Just a thought.I'm happy to do another LPL whatever the rules.



 Regards and thankyou (everyone)

      Guy

Not a bad idea. I think, however, that it is a little contrary to the idea of LPL, which is gaming oriented as opposed to Golden Demon or CMON which top entries need to be handled with white cotton gloves.
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: Blackwolf on May 04, 2010, 09:26:33 AM
Heaven forbid :o. Then how about instead of 10 weeks,10 months? Easy on everyone :) ;) There are all sorts of different ways,bi-monthly et cetera..........Anyway I could never paint to Golden Demon or CMON standard,so for me it's a moot point :D
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: revford on May 04, 2010, 10:24:07 AM
Congratulations to our winners and to everyone else who reduced the lead mountains a little.  :)

I hope everyone gets a chance to push all those great teams around in a game soon.
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: Plynkes on May 04, 2010, 10:51:38 AM
Greywolf, the original idea of the LPL was to spur us all on into reducing our lead piles. It's supposed to be an exercise in painting as much as possible in a short space of time, to the best standard you can given those conditions. It's gruelling, but then again it's meant to be. Your ideas are good, but they wouldn't be the LPL. Maybe we should have some other contests, along the lines you suggest, in between LPL seasons.  :)
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: meninobesta on May 04, 2010, 11:08:36 AM
Thanks to all! these are the best mondays of the year!  :D

Congratulations to the winners and to the Prof!
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: starkadder on May 04, 2010, 11:14:26 AM
Congratulations to the Captain, indeed. Well-deserved and a great effort. The colour control alone was worth the effort.

Congratulations to Greywolf also for his honourable mention. I knew his trepidation as he went into the contest. It was a mark of his respect for the standard of the competition. It was nice to see Lola rating a guest appearance.

And congratulations to everyone else from the esteemed Prof, the phlegmatic Hammers and everyone else involved.

As a very casual painter and with very minimal available time, I really enjoy looking at the entries. They always inspire me. Claret and age may have dimmed my capacities but I know a great paint job when I see it.

Roll on to LPL 5!
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: Blackwolf on May 04, 2010, 12:48:32 PM
Greywolf, the original idea of the LPL was to spur us all on into reducing our lead piles. It's supposed to be an exercise in painting as much as possible in a short space of time, to the best standard you can given those conditions. It's gruelling, but then again it's meant to be. Your ideas are good, but they wouldn't be the LPL. Maybe we should have some other contests, along the lines you suggest, in between LPL seasons.  :)

 Yes Plynkes I know,it was a reply to assuage Hammers,as I said I'm more than happy to stick to the current LPL.
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: tsar1701 on May 04, 2010, 01:07:49 PM
Just back to the forum to see the last round ...

Congartulation to the winner !!!! great ! great ! great ! LPL is still a big source of inspiration.
And many thanks to the Prof for organizing.

I'm very disappointed having to give up the league, but it was asbolutly impossible to paint 5 minis a week  :(
Thanks to Knoxville for remplacing, and I apologize for the tow defeats I give you in previous rounds  :P

I'll be present (I hope) at saison five with my delirious layout.
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: Hammers on May 04, 2010, 01:26:07 PM
Were are my manners, I completely forgot to congratulate the winners. I guess I can explain it to not being at all surprised. Congratulations all, very well deserved. And I am not bitter. No, really.

Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: Froggy the Great on May 04, 2010, 01:37:47 PM
This was fun.  I still don't quite speak the same language as the rest of the forum in terms of what will get votes, but I'm getting better.

If I might suggest, however, a return to the more even matchups we had in LPL3 - this season the waiting seemed more about whether I was matched up with one of the juggernauts than whether my painting was good enough.
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: Thargor on May 04, 2010, 01:38:18 PM
Congrats to the winners !

Can I just check - do you have to paint a new team every week, or can 1 team be put in for the full 10 rounds?  
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: Hammers on May 04, 2010, 01:52:20 PM
Congrats to the winners !

Can I just check - do you have to paint a new team every week, or can 1 team be put in for the full 10 rounds?  

You can. Plynkes won't like it but it is completely legit.
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: Andy0476 on May 04, 2010, 02:53:53 PM
This was my first LPL, but it will not be my last ! I had tremendous fun and to my surprise I did not finish last !  :o
Next edition I will be aiming for a spot in the top 20 ... hey I can dream can't I  lol

Congratulations to all who entered and I tip my hat to the winners !
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: Orctrader on May 04, 2010, 04:01:43 PM
Congratulations!
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: Silent Invader on May 04, 2010, 04:19:07 PM
Well done Cap'n and the other top rankers.  Three cheers for the Prof and congrats and thanks all round.  :)
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: D@rth J@ymZ on May 04, 2010, 04:57:58 PM
If I might suggest, however, a return to the more even matchups we had in LPL3 - this season the waiting seemed more about whether I was matched up with one of the juggernauts than whether my painting was good enough.

I must agree with Froggy on this one.  Not that I'm complaining about how I placed (in fact I'm rather surprised but happy none the less  :)) but I too found I was waiting to see whether or not I would get "Prof"ed, "Blood"ied, "Chamber"ed, "Heldrak"ed, "Hammer"ed etc. every week.  I love the LPL format but perhaps some preferential Top 10 seeded matchups should occur after Round 5 (similar to S3).  Just my two cents...

Thanks to everyone who participated and voted, special thanks to the winner Captain Blood and all the contestants who I had the pleasure of matching up against this season and very special thanks to the Prof!   
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: Hammers on May 04, 2010, 06:39:35 PM
I must agree with Froggy on this one.  Not that I'm complaining about how I placed (in fact I'm rather surprised but happy none the less  :)) but I too found I was waiting to see whether or not I would get "Prof"ed, "Blood"ied, "Chamber"ed, "Heldrak"ed, "Hammer"ed etc. every week.  I love the LPL format but perhaps some preferential Top 10 seeded matchups should occur after Round 5 (similar to S3).  Just my two cents...

Thanks to everyone who participated and voted, special thanks to the winner Captain Blood and all the contestants who I had the pleasure of matching up against this season and very special thanks to the Prof!   

Didn't Pete Murrey something similar a few years back, an 'Alles Verloren' league?
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: Tacgnol on May 04, 2010, 07:30:42 PM
Congratulations to the winners, and indeed to everyone who took part in, or was involved with the LPL!

Hooray!

To the pub!
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: LeadAsbestos on May 04, 2010, 10:27:16 PM
Congrats to all the players! I was desperate to enter this time, but went  ;D w/ the entry date, and blew it!  :'(  Next time, dammit!

As far as dumbing down the contest goes, don't do it! Learn to paint better if winning is all that important! I always enjoyed seeing the competition in contests I entered, even if it was obvious I was going to get my behind handed to me.

And while I see that the pace might be a bit hectic, if it means you can only enter one team because you are too busy, don't enter. Withdraw if it gets to be too much, and some of us who would like to play can step in.

Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: Hawkeye on May 05, 2010, 03:10:24 AM
It's a great competition, and the level of the entries was astoundingly high! I had every intention of taking part, but two surgeries on my painting arm (I use VERY heavy brushes...) and the birth of my first child knocked that plan into a cocked hat. LPL5, though - count me in!

Congrats to everyone for producing such great minis, and of course to the Cap'n for his well-deserved (albeit very close!) win.
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: Heldrak on May 05, 2010, 03:58:16 AM
I must agree with Froggy on this one.  Not that I'm complaining about how I placed (in fact I'm rather surprised but happy none the less  :)) but I too found I was waiting to see whether or not I would get "Prof"ed, "Blood"ied, "Chamber"ed, "Heldrak"ed, "Hammer"ed etc. every week.  I love the LPL format but perhaps some preferential Top 10 seeded matchups should occur after Round 5 (similar to S3).  Just my two cents...

Thanks to everyone who participated and voted, special thanks to the winner Captain Blood and all the contestants who I had the pleasure of matching up against this season and very special thanks to the Prof!   

I agree with Froggy and Darth James, I think that more moderator oversight on match-ups results in a better contest and in better morale for the entrants. It can be hard for a less-experienced painter to come up against one of the "Big Dogs", and as a spectator (and participant) I always prefer seeing close match-ups between roughly equivalent entries.

That being said, I would vote against anything resembling a tier system, or any kind of "seeding". I think the entries you get on the day are the entries you get on the day and each ought to speak for itself ("Big Dogs" have off-days and inexperienced painters are capable of inspired choices). I thought the way that Captain Blood ran things in LPL 3 resulted in lots of good equivalent match-ups. That being said, it does mean a much more difficult work-load for the organizer, and I'm sure that whatever matching system we wind up using will be fair and workable.

While we're on the topic, I think that it is a mistake to try to mandate the number of new entries (as some members have suggested). I think that everyone always intends to have 10 new entries every season, but real life does get in the way and if you wind up running the same entry all season that ought to be your privilege. Such entries tend to be heavily penalized in the voting anyway, so I don't think there's any further need to moderate them. One of the great things about the LPL is the friendly, collegial nature of the competition and since it works so well in that way, I think the fewer restrictions/mandates/etc. that we try to place on it, the better.

One further thought, it did seem like a lot of the entries received far fewer comments this year, and personally, I would always rather have more comments (even if they're critical) as that helps the painters to improve (whatever level they're working on).

Congratulations to all the entrants, huzzah for Captain Blood for his well-deserved gold medal and special thanks to Professor Witchheimer for hosting the best painting contest on the internet!
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: Chambersofminiatures on May 05, 2010, 04:00:42 AM
Congrats to all who participated and placed, and fantastic job to Alex. I am shooting for 4th place next time to keep the dream alive!  ;D

As others and I have said before, the competition is a great opportunity to get some old lead painted. The 10 week schedule is grueling, i more than willing admit that, but isn't that the point of the competition?

Next time I will have my vengeance! ( Shakes paint brushes to the Heavens)
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: Wirelizard on May 05, 2010, 05:28:37 AM
Congrats to all the LPL4 participants; having done ten teams in eleven weeks for LPL3, it's a challenge even when you're dipping into unseen but already underway projects for figures!

There seemed to be a few more repeating entries this time around, including a few participants who only sent in one or two entries for the whole length of LPL4.

The bonus rounds seemed to get more creativity out of people than LPL3's bonus rounds; the Harpy outcropping during the Conan round and the many, many insane VSF entries stand out!
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: pierrebi on May 05, 2010, 09:18:24 AM
congratulation to the winner and to all participant!

No wooden spoon for me in my first season!
I am the second one in the "zero-won-games" ^__^


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Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: Calimero on May 05, 2010, 01:34:15 PM

I just wondering could it be possible to have a tread where people can post suggestions for the next LPL bonus rounds? A place where they can tell us about what they’ll like to see as themed rounds for the next LPL?
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: Captain Blood on May 05, 2010, 02:17:17 PM
I don't see why not. It would be good to collect ideas on potential bonus round themes.
I'll start a thread and make it sticky (for a while at least).
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: Silent Invader on May 05, 2010, 03:32:48 PM
I just wondering could it be possible to have a tread where people can post suggestions for the next LPL bonus rounds? A place where they can tell us about what they’ll like to see as themed rounds for the next LPL?

French & Indian War, anyone?!   lol :D
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: oxiana on May 05, 2010, 05:19:20 PM
I'm still catching up with what I missed on LAF recently, but congrats to Richard for his silky painting skills helping him lift the LPL trophy. And congrats, frankly, to anyone game enough to enter. I'm perennially tempted but never really sure if I have the stamina. It's a great contest to follow as a spectator though. Cheers as usual to the Prof for putting it on.

 :)
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: HerbyF on May 05, 2010, 06:53:23 PM
Well I really enjoyed my first LPL. Although I did seem to match up against all the 'Big Dogs' early on. Hopefully my photography will improve by LPL 5. I did manage to get something painted each week and reduced my 'Lead Mountain' quite a bit. Too bad I forgot the picture in round 9. It was of my Chinese anamorphic cannons that I know some people were looking forward to seeing. I feel fairly satisfied that I managed to pull off at least one win. Next year I am going for more wins than losses.
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: Doc Twilight on May 05, 2010, 08:38:07 PM
Congrats to all. An excellent competition this round!

One possible suggestion would be to make the voting blind. I think that several voters are motivated by names when voting in the various rounds. Taking away that incentive helps to even the playing field a bit.

Edit: Sorry, a bit tired today, want to clarify.

What I mean is that, instead of revealing the name of each painter, the poll should simply place one entry against another, without benefit of knowing who an artist is until the round is over.

I also continue to  maintain, with all due respect, that some of the commentary this round was just out of place and unsportsmanlike. Establishing a separate "comments" thread would help with this.

-Doc
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: D@rth J@ymZ on May 05, 2010, 09:46:42 PM
While not revealing the names of the entrants may help the voting fairness slightly, most of the "Big Dogs" have very distinctive styles that are recognizable instantly.
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: Heldrak on May 05, 2010, 09:56:40 PM
Congrats to all. An excellent competition this round!

One possible suggestion would be to make the voting blind. I think that several voters are motivated by names when voting in the various rounds. Taking away that incentive helps to even the playing field a bit.

Edit: Sorry, a bit tired today, want to clarify.

What I mean is that, instead of revealing the name of each painter, the poll should simply place one entry against another, without benefit of knowing who an artist is until the round is over.

I also continue to  maintain, with all due respect, that some of the commentary this round was just out of place and unsportsmanlike. Establishing a separate "comments" thread would help with this.

-Doc

With no disrespect intended toward Doc Twilight, I didn't see the unsportsmanlike conduct that he mentions and I feel like his comments about unsportsmanlike comments earlier in the contest had a chilling effect on commentary throughout the rest of the contest.

For my own part, I feel that praise, critique, joking around, etc. are an integral part of the contest and I would rather suffer the occasional inappropriate comment rather than have entries pass by with no commentary at all or bland, generalized praise for both contestants. The appropriate place to comment on entries is in the entry thread, and partizanship is part of the contest.

Personally, I don't see the point of having anonymous entries, as the voting is already anonymous, and not visible to the voting membership until their votes are cast. No benefit accrues to the voter for "bandwagon-jumping" or "automatic voting for Big Names" so I don't see what the problem is. I think the implication that anyone really votes any way other than the way their own instincts or inclinations tell them is frankly, silly.
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: Doc Twilight on May 05, 2010, 10:22:33 PM
I'm not going to apologize for being honest. I never complained about any of the results in my own rounds, and I went out of my way to avoid commentary in most matchups involving my own paint jobs in order to avoid promoting myself, or denigrating the work of my opponents.

I have no problem with praise, joking around, and constructive criticism. My problem stems from attempts to influence the voting with comments such as "There is absolutely no contest here", "There is only one real choice here", and "Obviously you don't believe in shading. Too bad." That kind of commentary is unsportsmanlike, and unnecessary.

"partizanship is part of the contest"

Then perhaps it's a contest I don't want to be part of. This is supposed to be a contest between painting entries. Not a vote on who has the most friends here on the forum.

"I think the implication that anyone really votes any way other than the way their own instincts or inclinations tell them is frankly, silly."

Then we will have to agree to disagree, because I believe that many voters -do- vote for names. I certainly did look for my favorite painters (Captain Blood and Grimm, for instance.) How else do you explain 50 point lead that turns into a 250 point rout in less than four hours? Perhaps it's an error of the polling software, but the numbers don't lie.

And, as has often been stated before, it IS possible to view vote totals before a vote is cast. One merely has to log out.

-Doc
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: Overlord on May 06, 2010, 01:15:10 AM
Congratulations to Captain Blood. Excellent, consistent painting in a clean distinctive style with a new entry in every round.  8)

A very big note of appreciation to the Prof for the hard work involved in setting up and running the League.  Quite how he manages that heavy workload AND paints beautiful entries is beyond me. Kudos  8)

Well done to all the entrants for this League.  Monday mornings are far less interesting now.  ;)

I personally found this the toughest League yet and was really struggling to keep up the pace towards the end.  However, I was determined to get a new entry in for every round.  This did mean the quaility dropped a few times but again meant a load of newly painted miniatures at the end of the season.

At the heart of the League is the incentive to paint miniatures and I personally embrace this idea.  Whilst everyone likes to win and do well (and we do ultimately have a single winner) for me that is not the primary objective.  If you look at the final scores most of the top half of the table have large numbers of bonus points.  Even if you feel your painting isnt as good as others, by painting more you rise towards the top of the table.  I grabbed every possible point this way and undoubtedly ended higher up the table than my painting probably justified.  Also, hopefully the more you paint the more you improve. Surely a win-win situation. 

As long as people conform to common decency, they should be free to comment as they see fit.  If that sways other voters, so be it.  We are all influenced by a variety of factors consciously or sub-consciously, be it comments, painter, topic, miniatures, period/area of specific interest, etc

As was stated several time during the League, the vote percentage you receive is not a true reflection of comparative painting quality.  If 100% of voters think your entry is 1% beter than the other you will get a landslide.  The opposite is also true. 

Overall I think the League works pretty much as originally intended.  My personal opinion is that no real change is required.
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: gamer Mac on May 06, 2010, 01:21:53 AM
Congratulations to Captain Blood. Excellent, consistent painting in a clean distinctive style with a new entry in every round.  8)

A very big note of appreciation to the Prof for the hard work involved in setting up and running the League.  Quite how he manages that heavy workload AND paints beautiful entries is beyond me. Kudos  8)

Well done to all the entrants for this League.  Monday mornings are far less interesting now.  ;)

I personally found this the toughest League yet and was really struggling to keep up the pace towards the end.  However, I was determined to get a new entry in for every round.  This did mean the quaility dropped a few times but again meant a load of newly painted miniatures at the end of the season.

At the heart of the League is the incentive to paint miniatures and I personally embrace this idea.  Whilst everyone likes to win and do well (and we do ultimately have a single winner) for me that is not the primary objective.  If you look at the final scores most of the top half of the table have large numbers of bonus points.  Even if you feel your painting isnt as good as others, by painting more you rise towards the top of the table.  I grabbed every possible point this way and undoubtedly ended higher up the table than my painting probably justified.  Also, hopefully the more you paint the more you improve. Surely a win-win situation. 

As long as people conform to common decency, they should be free to comment as they see fit.  If that sways other voters, so be it.  We are all influenced by a variety of factors consciously or sub-consciously, be it comments, painter, topic, miniatures, period/area of specific interest, etc

As was stated several time during the League, the vote percentage you receive is not a true reflection of comparative painting quality.  If 100% of voters think your entry is 1% beter than the other you will get a landslide.  The opposite is also true. 

Overall I think the League works pretty much as originally intended.  My personal opinion is that no real change is required.

Totally agree with all your comments.
Don't change a thing.
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: Hammers on May 06, 2010, 06:34:04 AM
Totally agree with all your comments.
Don't change a thing.

I am sure some little thing will be tweaked till next season but the bulk of them will stay the same.
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: Admiral Benbow on May 06, 2010, 12:54:57 PM
Well, last but not at all least congratulations to all the winners, participants and voters for another very entertaining LPL! This was my first one without participating myself, and I have to say it was a very entertaining and relaxed experience ... 8)

Special thanks to Alex for running this so smoothly again, and I'm looking forward to see the Captain back in action next time; I'm thinking seriously about being part of LPL 5.  :D

And no, I don't think we need any major changes here. Everybody can read the rules and then decide if he wants to take part or not under the given circumstances.

Thanks again all - it was a good time!
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: Malamute on May 06, 2010, 01:32:07 PM
Well, last but not at all least congratulations to all the winners, participants and voters for another very entertaining LPL! This was my first one without participating myself, and I have to say it was a very entertaining and relaxed experience ... 8)

Special thanks to Alex for running this so smoothly again, and I'm looking forward to see the Captain back in action next time; I'm thinking seriously about being part of LPL 5.  :D

And no, I don't think we need any major changes here. Everybody can read the rules and then decide if he wants to take part or not under the given circumstances.

Thanks again all - it was a good time!


Here, here, I second that. :)
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: Prof.Witchheimer on May 06, 2010, 04:58:23 PM
I've said it a dozen times already - LPL won't be an anonymous contest. Never. Also don't expect any major changes here. It is needless to discuss it any further.
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: Calimero on May 06, 2010, 06:47:36 PM

I’m happy with the way the league works now. I’m also happy with the ranking I’ve achieved with the figures I’ve painted.

If I want to reach a better position on the leaderboard, I seriously need to find a way to take better pictures. Right now, I would say that 9 out of 10 pictures entered don’t really reflect the actual painting job on the minis. Having better pictures could help increasing my ranking... maybe
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: D@rth J@ymZ on May 06, 2010, 07:06:04 PM
@Calimero: I thought your pictures were pretty good this year.  I especially liked the board or scenery/photo base that you used on a few entries and how it matched your bases perfectly.  I tried to use the same idea on some of my entries.
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: Calimero on May 06, 2010, 07:40:10 PM
The focus is okay and the images are clear enough but I had problem with recreating the real color on the photos. I also had problem with shadings and highlights (on the rare occasion where I actually paint some) that didn’t show…
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: Heldrak on May 06, 2010, 11:44:25 PM
The focus is okay and the images are clear enough but I had problem with recreating the real color on the photos. I also had problem with shadings and highlights (on the rare occasion were I actually paint some) that didn’t show…

Cal' if you're having trouble getting "true" colors in your photographs, take a look at Orctrader's photography advice in the How To thread here:

http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=6052.0

I took his posted advice regarding doing a manual setting for the white balance and it made a huge difference in my miniature photography.
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: JMGraham on May 07, 2010, 04:05:56 AM
Hmmm... I'm suffering from what I expect is a fairly typical post-LPL letdown.  Mondays (or Sunday nights for me) have gotten dull.

Congrats to the Captain, and thanks a million to the Prof for putting on such a smashing event!

Jim
Title: Re: The Lead Painters' League - Season Four - The Results
Post by: leonmallett on May 07, 2010, 11:57:47 AM
Well done to all of you who entered - as an observer it was great to see so many painted minis in so many styles representing so many eras/genres.  :)