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Miniatures Adventure => Colonial Adventures => Topic started by: Fjodin on May 15, 2010, 01:14:21 AM
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I am finding rules for my 15mm single basing figures for colonials. I am a little bit noob here, so can you help me? Which rules (both free or not) have:
single basing figures
organisations in units + line of sight for each figure in unit (like in Beamstrike)
time period from 1870 to WW1
vehicles, sea ships, and maybe planes
point value system of somesort
terrain for defence
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Any suggestions?
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I like G.A.S.L.I.G.H.T. for 25's. No reason you couldn't play it with 15's.
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Perhaps the new colonial version of Triumph and Tragedy? http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=13883.75 (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=13883.75)
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TSATF (although for planes, you'll have to use a supplement)
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Sorry for not replying sooner!
All three would be fine. Each is a great deal of fun to play and very easy to learn. TSATF is a larger scale and would usually need larger forces than the other two (although there is a "Darkest Africa" skirmish variant). As Smokey says, you'd need a couple of supplements for TSATF, but there are some free ones available online and "The Virtual Armchair General" does a great naval set - "Breechloaders and Boilers". They are in the USA, however so may be expensive to order from your location. GASLIGHT has a "big battle" supplement which allows similar scale battles to TSATF.
For Gaslight and TSATF, try your local Amazon but I'm not sure about T&T. B&B:
http://www.thevirtualarmchairgeneral.com/079-rules.html#Boilers%20And%20Breechloaders
I'd say try whichever is the easiest to get hold of in Oz :)
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Thanx for replying! I am more wandering about artillery crew. In one of my favourite PC game Blitzkrieg ( (http://www.file-extensions.org/imgs/app-picture/2754/blitzkrieg.jpg) ) gun is a single unit, but you can kill the crew and after that you can capture the gun. (It is possible to captuer the wholr battery of long range howitzers). So is there are separate and killable gun crew in these rules?
Also is there are line of sight for each infantryman and can I capture the boats or steamers buildings in there (1 unit of infantry fires at steamer sailors, other uses captued boat to board the steamer. Than the battle rages on main deck and steamer bridge. After all enemy sailors was killed, I can capture it and use the boat against enemy)?
I am trying to find rules with as many tactical possibilities as it possible! :)
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OK! I've done a minor research. I think The Sword and the Flame may be that type of rules, I am finding (but I am still need a reply of my previous post about gun crew and ship boarding). I found that cavalry should be 12 figs + 1 NCP and infantry 20 rifles + 1 officer and + 1 NCO. Is there are any additional rules for standart bearers or drummers? If no I can use them as ordinary riflemans
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By the way, what is the cheapest and best way to get last edition Sword and the Flame (Amazon, ebay or etc.)?
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They have gun mechanics like you say.
Gunners can fight, break away from gun, spike it, and enemy can overrun it, take it, turn it around or drag it back to their kraal.
Same with boarding boats. Big part of the game. Fight you way into the captains quarters and loot it, if that's what you want to do.
Defend buildings, enter defended buildings. If it's in the "Colonial Game", it's in the game! :)
LOS if from the individual. Fires is from the individual (or you can fire as a unit), combat is from the individual.
Here, to order:
http://www.sergeants3.com/
Examples of games with it:
http://www.zeitcom.com/majgen/80battl.html
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THANX FOR HELPING! I think I at last found "my type" of rules! RURRAY! GOD SAVE THE QUEEN!
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Two more question about infantry unit.
1) Is there are any brummers or standart bearers in rules?
2)If a unit is 20 men +1NCO +1 Officer what figures are you using for these 2 commanders? Foot commander for NCO and mounted commander for officer or what?
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De nada. ;)
I even have the Aztec vs Spaniards supplement. Very versatile, will let you play anything you want in the Colonial realm.
As to your questions.
1: add a flagbearer, or make your NCO your flagbearer (for both armies). Either way, it doesn't matter.
2. You can use foot or mounted officres, (I use both. Sometimes the officer dismounts, and is replaced by a dismounted officer figure)
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I mean you need 1 NCO and 1 officer for each unit of infantry?
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I mean you need 1 NCO and 1 officer for each unit of infantry?
It helps. It is not neccessary. Nothing in the rules will be effected if you have an additional flagbearer, or just one officer or NCO officer in the unit.
I have many "half units" of ten figures and an NCO.
Very flexible as to this.
Don't worry about it man! Just paint up your units, get the rules, and game! ;)
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Now I am currently painting figs. So I think I use 20 men unit (with 1 drummer and 1 flag bearer at the rear of formation just to add flavour to the game). An 10 men unit for marines, jagers, light infantry.
By the way what recomended unit size for Zulu?
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Lots. at least 3-1 Zulu 20 man unit to every British.
I always give them more, and judge the scenario after a game or two (I like them to be close). If the Zulus aren't getting into melle and causing the brits fits, then i will add more units.
I give every Zulu Unit a sniper. he can hang back in cover (doesn't have to charge with unit) and can fire when his unit is active.
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All units, of whatever nationality/tribe, are normally 20 men strength. It's just the "higher" formations' sizes that can differ.
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Help! What difference and duties was between Officer and Sergeant in real life. Officer was awmed with pistol and sword and sergeant was armed with rifle and also he has 3 stripes in sleve. But what dofference was between them?
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Hi, Fjodin
Sorry for coming late to the discussion.
since you are in Australia, contact Castaway Arts for TSATF.
As for your question about the difference between officers and sergeants: While there is overlap in responsibilities, the NCO is in charge of detail (make sure that every soldier has 100 rounds, rifles are clean and in good working order, soldiers are in proper condition to get the job done. Officer is in charge of big picture stuff - where is the unit going and what is it going to do when it gets there. So officers are responsible for what, where and when, and sergeants are in charge of how.
Also (at least in the British army), officers tend to be middle and upper class 'gentlemen', directly commissioned, often straight from public school, while sergeants are working class, long service soldiers who have learnt (and earned) their trade the hard way.
Hope that helps a bit.
W
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Thanx a lot! Now its more crear :)
By the way, I am currently painting Confederate Army, and is there are bouth officer and sergeants there? And does CSA sergeant same as in British Army (armed with rifle and have 3 stropes on sleeev)
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Thanx a lot! Now its more crear :)
By the way, I am currently painting Confederate Army, and is there are bouth officer and sergeants there? And does CSA sergeant same as in British Army (armed with rifle and have 3 stropes on sleeev)
Virtually every army in the world has sergeants. The CSA would had them and they had three stripes - usually in "branch of service" colour. IE blue - infantry, yellow - cavalry, red - artillery
For example the British army's current rank structure is:
Private/Trooper/Sapper/Gunner etc - ordinary soldier. Does what he/she is told!
Junior NCOs:
Lance Corporal -one chevron (stripe) on right sleeve. Second in command (2ic) of a section of approx 8-10 men.
Corporal - two chevrons. Commands a section.
Senior NCOs:
Sergeant - three stripes. Can be platoon/troop 2ic, but is more often given another semi-independant task, such as a troop recce Sgt in the Royal Engineers.
Colour/Staff Sergeant - platoon/troop 2ic.
Warrant Officers:
WO2 can be a Company/Squadron Sergeant Major, or have a technical or logistical (stores etc) role ( eg Squadron Quartermaster Sgt).
WO1 - The Regimental Sergeant Major. Makes tough battle-hardened soldiers break down and cry with just a glance. Also a higher rank tech/logistic - RQMS etc.
Officers:
2nd Lieutenant - fresh out of Sandhurst, gets ordered around by Sergants and above and laughed at by the lower ranks.
1st Lt - Troop/Platoon commander.
Captain- can be Troop cmdr, or more often Company/Squadron 2ic. Can have a more technical role and is the rank that WO1 attains if promatred to an officer.
Major - Tp/Sqn OC (Officer Commanding). Can also be a Quartermaster, if promoted "through the ranks".
Lt Colonel - Regimental CO ( Commanding Officer)
Colonel - we are now into "staff" ranks and these tend to have varied roles and responsibilities (ie I'm not sure exactly what they do)
We then go into the "General Officer" ranks:
Brigadier, Major General, Lieutant General, General.
We haven't had Field Marshals for quite some time, but they were fairly common up to and including WW2.
Most armies have broadly similar structure, with occasionally more grades at sergeant and different names and responsibilities, but you are not far off with the British example.
Hope that helps with organising your TSATF army :)
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Very good work!!!!
Fjodin, you are now "in" with the TSATF "club". Congratulations, and good gaming! Spread the word, and the games!