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Title: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: Gunbird on June 15, 2010, 09:55:06 PM
42nd BLJ, 1st Company

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/42ndBLJ1stCompFront.jpg)

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/42ndBLJ1stCompRear.jpg)

My favorite of the lot:
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/42ndBLJ1stCompMAGGunner.jpg)
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: Calimero on June 15, 2010, 11:20:40 PM

Real nice 8)

Are they 20mm Liberation Miniatures?
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: Gunbird on June 15, 2010, 11:41:40 PM
You are correct, they are, sadly.
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: Calimero on June 15, 2010, 11:43:21 PM

why sadly?
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: Gunbird on June 15, 2010, 11:46:49 PM
Cause he refuses to do business with me anymore so I'm having one hell of a time finding minis to expand my army (thank God for Elhiem though)
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: Dr. The Viking on June 16, 2010, 01:35:33 PM
Cause he refuses to do business with me anymore so I'm having one hell of a time finding minis to expand my army (thank God for Elhiem though)

Why would he refuse to do business with you?!

Really nice looking miniatures.
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: Gunbird on June 16, 2010, 02:17:07 PM
Well, I have no idea really.

3 years back all was fine, but since 2 years he stopped responding to my emails (his spamfilter has been eating emails for the last 2-3 years, or so he claims, but I have sent orders using 4 various emailadresses and not a single one made it? Right....), faxes! or voicemails anymore, so I can't ask him. The last time I called him and I finally managed to get hold of his wife, she gave the phone to him and he just put the phone down with the line open. After 15 minutes or so I hung up, I could hear people going about their business but no one responded. Turned out I called at 19:00 UK time and he was upset about that as he was putting his kids so just left the line open.....instead of asking me to call back at a different time. I've never met someone as childish as mr Rolf Hedges, and to this day I can't figure out why he runs a shop at all if he finds dealing with customers so bothersome. (and as I mention that on fora as well when people ask where they can get the models I've painted I can assume I am blacklisted for giving negative comments - these days he has a notice about that on his website forbidding people to say negative things about the company or have orders cancelled without notice  o_o )

Sad story in all. Still manages to irk me though, and silently hoping he quits and sells off the moulds to a more customer friendly company. Anyway.

The next few groups will be a mix of Liberation, a steady increase of models from Elhiem and a few Platoon 20 as well, and I'm under a deadline so you should see them soon.
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: Dr. The Viking on June 16, 2010, 03:15:31 PM
(and as I mention that on fora as well when people ask where they can get the models I've painted I can assume I am blacklisted for giving negative comments - these days he has a notice about that on his website forbidding people to say negative things about the company or have orders cancelled without notice  o_o )

I'm amazed. And while I completely believe you, I went to the site just to see for my self:

THE RIGHT TO REFUSE ; UNDER THE TERMS OF THE SALE OF GOODS AND PROVISONS ACT WE RESERVE THE RIGHT TO REFUSE A SALE.
INTERNET FORUMS ; IF YOU FEEL THE NEED TO DISCUSS THE AFFAIRS OF RH MODELS OR ANY OF OUR STAFF OR FAMILY MEMBERS THIS WILL BE TREATED AS A BREACH OF CONTRACT AND WE  RESERVE THE RIGHT TO CANCEL AND OR REFUSE ANY BUSINESS WITH YOU .

Wow.

OK, so that was weird and now I think we should just let it stand and return to your awesome painted 20mm stuff.
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: Daeothar on June 19, 2010, 10:24:51 AM
Pretty cool (also just ignoring the whole 'notsocustomerfriendlymaybe' issue here ;)). One doesn't see much/many Dutch army stuff out there, so I am intrigued by them.

What unit is the 42nd BLJ? I did my service in the queen's name, but that was a lóóng time ago and I can't say I'm very versed in the whole designation thing. I'm assuming they're 1st Army Corps?

At least I recognise the FALs and MAG. The others are a Carl Gustav and an UZI, right? The colour looks a bit too drab, as I recall the uniforms being ever so slightly more green, but then, that can be the lighting/photo/my monitor.

Are there more units to with them? Do you have any vehicles too? I would be interested to do a squad of Dutch army in 28mm, to be used in near-future/alien invasion skirmishes (but I suppose other ranges could be used for that as well, now that all the weaponry is basically American (looking)).

Again; great work; I would like to see more... 8)
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: Gunbird on June 19, 2010, 11:25:42 AM
42nd LBJ is the Limburgse Jagers. Your weapons choices are correct and yes, the colour looks a bit drab, but the pics came out a bit darker I'm afraid.

Additions will be tanks, with Leo1's for starters, next year I'll convert  Leo 1 V's and propably some 2's as well. A engineers section with a bridge laying section is in the works, 42nd artillery with 155mm M109A1's are in progress. And you will see a ton of YPR's soon in various versions.

Pity there is hardly anything in 28mm, I would gladly show you what is available and coming available in 20mm at the moment (The Patria has just been relased, as has our 120mm mortar, and troops and the new CV IFV are hot on their heels)
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: Daeothar on June 19, 2010, 01:03:20 PM
42nd LBJ is the Limburgse Jagers.
Doh! I should have known that... I would probably paint up my old regiment; Menno van Coehoorn...

Additions will be tanks, with Leo1's for starters, next year I'll convert  Leo 1 V's and propably some 2's as well. A engineers section with a bridge laying section is in the works, 42nd artillery with 155mm M109A1's are in progress. And you will see a ton of YPR's soon in various versions.
Cool, sounds like you will have units coming from all over a Brigade. What period are you aiming at? With the YPRs, I'd say sometime in the late eighties, early nineties then (considering your choice of plain olive PSU's).

I was thinking about this and maybe this hypothetical unit of mine might be set sometime in the eighties, Reagan era, considering I was a kid then and the tail end of the Cold War was still quite palpable. Of course I'd be needing M113's then instead of YPR's... ;)

Pity there is hardly anything in 28mm, I would gladly show you what is available and coming available in 20mm at the moment (The Patria has just been relased, as has our 120mm mortar, and troops and the new CV IFV are hot on their heels)
I suppose Falklands Brits might be an option (same weapons and kit, just a slightly different helmet, which can be fixed easily, since the GI pot is quite ubiquitous in 28mm land).

Please show what else you've got; like I said, I'm intrigued now. I feel yet another 'rushed into, but shelved halfway through' project coming on... ;D
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: Gunbird on June 21, 2010, 10:29:13 PM
I'm aiming at 1985, with the YPR and the Leo 2 just getting deployed. It's abit of mixing and matching though as there isn't much available, and I still want to comission the YP-408 in 20mm someday for some earlier sceanarios (already managed to scrounge one AMX-13). Anyway, on with the rest.

CO of the 42nd Brigade

Liberation Miniatures Radio Operator, and I forgot who the officer is from, he's from a WW2 set with a another officer and a MP I believe?
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/CO4ndLBJ.jpg)
(LARO in repainted colours, better green, not perfect, but better then the previous one)

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/CO4ndLBJcode.jpg)
Code
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: Gunbird on June 22, 2010, 10:13:43 PM
Next up, the Bandaid, or as we call it, de verbanddoos  :grin:  A YPR-GWT.

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/Bandaid2.jpg)

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/Bandaid3.jpg)

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/Bandaid4.jpg)

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/Bandaid1.jpg)

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/Bandaid6.jpg)

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/Bandaid5.jpg)

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/Bandaid7.jpg)
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: Gunbird on June 23, 2010, 10:13:07 PM
First up, a supply marker that I cobbled up while watching paint dry. Trailer that comes with the Airfix M3 is a near perfect match (well, cheap anyway) for the Polynorm 1 tonne trailer we used tons for for ammunition, cargo and generator use.

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/Polynorm1tonne1.jpg)

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/Polynorm1tonne2.jpg)

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/Polynorm1tonne3.jpg)

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/Polynorm1tonneundertow.jpg)


And second, a YPR-TOW. We had camouflaged camo nets back then (things you find when Googling) but also standard green ones.
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/YPR-TOW5.jpg)

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/YPR-TOW1.jpg)

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/YPR-TOW4.jpg)

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/YPR-TOW3.jpg)

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/YPR-TOW2.jpg)

More to come soon....
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: Gunbird on July 12, 2010, 09:49:24 PM
First of the 120mm mortars. Model by S&S  :thumbsup:

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/120mmundertow1.jpg)

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/120mmundertow2.jpg)

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/120mmundertow3.jpg)

As usual for me, 1 model under tow for each deployed piece.
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: Calimero on July 12, 2010, 10:19:47 PM

Lovely stuff once again 8)
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: Gunbird on July 13, 2010, 08:17:00 PM
2 double use M113's

Nr. 1:
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/M113-5.jpg)
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/M113-3.jpg)
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/M113-2.jpg)
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/M113-1.jpg)

For use with my engineers, hauling demolition gear:
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/M113-6.jpg)

And towing the 120mm:
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/M113-7.jpg)

Nr. 2:
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/M113-12.jpg)
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/M113-11.jpg)
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/M113-10.jpg)
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/M113-9.jpg)
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/M113-8.jpg)

Without a tow it functions as the ride for my recce platoon, with a tow it is used for my 120mm mortar
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/M113-13.jpg)

JB Models (now Airfix) M113's, S&S Mortar and stowage packs, decals by TL Decals, tufts etc by Mininatur and Woodland Scenics. And I can't remember who's .50's I have used, sorry  :blush:
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: Michi on July 13, 2010, 09:51:52 PM
Johan, I notice that the tactical markings on your vehicles are all on the right hand side. Is this correct for Duutch army? German vehicles bear them on the left hand side...
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: Gunbird on July 13, 2010, 10:14:16 PM
When looking at the vehicle, as seen by the person viewing it, it should be on the left side (aka the vehicles right side), but.... I've seen that on about 75% of the vehicles, the others being more varied. I try to stick to the marking on the vehicles right, unless the picture I'm copying shows otherwise.

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/Dutch%20Army%20Reference%201980-1985/Artillery/YPR_765_PRMR_HOLLANDE_03.jpg)

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/Dutch%20Army%20Reference%201980-1985/Artillery/m57707Nederland.jpg)

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/Dutch%20Army%20Reference%201980-1985/Artillery/41AfdvaB-bt81-501b.jpg)
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: commissarmoody on July 14, 2010, 01:06:53 AM
Do you have any Russians to oppose your troops?
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: Michi on July 14, 2010, 06:26:42 AM
When looking at the vehicle, as seen by the person viewing it, it should be on the left side (aka the vehicles right side), but.... I've seen that on about 75% of the vehicles, the others being more varied. I try to stick to the marking on the vehicles right, unless the picture I'm copying shows otherwise.

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/Dutch%20Army%20Reference%201980-1985/Artillery/m57707Nederland.jpg)


Aright, the Dutch do it differently then...
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: carlos marighela on July 14, 2010, 09:18:52 AM
Those are some lovely models, congrats.
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: Gunbird on July 14, 2010, 09:24:50 PM
Next up, artillery spotter using battlefield radar:

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/radarspotter1.jpg)
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/radarspotter2.jpg)
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/radarspotter3.jpg)
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/radarspotter4.jpg)
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/radarspotter5.jpg)
Can be mounted on a YP-408, YPR-765, not sure about a M113.

And the add on base for my mechanised artillery, smoke and HE on hand:
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/Mechanisedartillerycrew1.jpg)
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/Mechanisedartillerycrew2.jpg)
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/Mechanisedartillerycrew4.jpg)

@Moody, yes, but unpainted. But I will be facing tons from others in a few weeks time I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: YPU on July 14, 2010, 09:58:04 PM
Aright, the Dutch do it differently then...
Yes, I have always felt different, now I know why!  lol
Honestly tough, I sometimes get a feeling that our military is somewhat of the odball out in respect to other western countries.
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: Gunbird on July 25, 2010, 08:48:14 PM
A big heap, all at once. Had to fight a varnish disaster all the way  :banghead:

Another supply trailer:
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/Resupply.jpg)

A M577 command track for the 11th Mobile Artillery " Gele Rijders" - The commander of the track is showing off their special cap, unique in the Dutch Armed Forces. A mobile relais and command center, the track is central in communication between the OP's and the various artillery batteries under it's control.
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/M577.jpg)

The men of observationpost T-2 have made themselves right at home:
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/OP3.jpg)
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/OP1.jpg)
 Starlight scope, binos, radio and field observation radar, everything a good FAO crew needs. Well, maybe a stove.

120mm Alpha battery under tow:
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/120mmAlpha.jpg)

Engineers track:
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/Engineer1.jpg)
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/Engineer3.jpg)
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/Engineer2.jpg)
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: Calimero on July 25, 2010, 11:55:18 PM

Again, some really nice stuff 8)
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: Gunbird on August 02, 2010, 09:37:10 PM
Reservist Centurion Mark 5/1 "Brutus" moving across a Biber bridge to take up defensive positions along a riverbank.

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/Brutus2.jpg)

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/Brutus1.jpg)
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: answer_is_42 on August 02, 2010, 09:45:09 PM
This really is a very well done project. The vehicles are fantastic. How many Dutchmen do you plan on painting?

I must say, however, that I'm not much of a fan of the Liberation infantry figures themselves. The sculpts look fairly sub par from where I'm sitting.
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: Gunbird on August 02, 2010, 09:49:32 PM
I'm afraid I can't give you figures on the figures yet....i know my opponents lurk here as well. After the game I will do a show and tell, and from the looks of it, keep upgrading this army.

I agree with your take on the figures, but 2 years ago there was not much of a choice. Only recently has this been improved by Elhiem and his fantastic sculpts. I'll be painting quite a few Platoon 20's as well, don't worry.
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: Gunbird on August 03, 2010, 01:53:11 AM
Final lot for tonight,

MG Bunker
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/MGBunker.jpg)

YPR-765PRCO-C1
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/YPR-765PRCO-C11.jpg)
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/YPR-765PRCO-C12.jpg)

With command tent
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/YPR-765PRCO-C1withtent.jpg)
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: Gunbird on August 03, 2010, 08:33:01 PM
Big lot done tonight, not going to show all though  ;)

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/NATO.jpg)

Heavy Recce element (Leopard 1)
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/LeoRecce2.jpg)
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/LeoRecce3.jpg)

41st Armour A Company
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/41stArmourACompanyFront.jpg)
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/41stArmourACompanyRear.jpg)
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/41stArmourACompanydetail3.jpg)
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/41stArmourACompanydetail2.jpg)
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/41stArmourACompanydetail1.jpg)

Limburgse Jagers (Mechanised Infantry Company)
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/Limburgsejagers.jpg)

YPR-PRVR (Cargo)
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/YPRCargo1.jpg)
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/YPRCargo2.jpg)

Dynamic Duo (size reference)
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/Size.jpg)

More later this week.
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: commissarmoody on August 04, 2010, 01:33:43 AM
Awsome! I need to get my Club into some coldwar gameing and not on the Micro armor scale ether  :D
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: carlos marighela on August 04, 2010, 03:23:49 AM
This thread just gets better and better. Those are outstanding models. I love the little vignettes you create and the individual touches. Are those the Italeri Leopards by any chance?
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: Gunbird on August 04, 2010, 07:29:24 AM
Are those the Italeri Leopards by any chance?

I think so, I have quite a few on hand from Italeri and ESCI as well, plus Revell and Matchbox Leo 2's. Not 100% sure anymore what came from who  :D
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: Gunbird on August 09, 2010, 08:58:36 PM
41st Field Artillery Charly Battery preparing for a fire mission

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/firemission.jpg)
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: Gunbird on August 09, 2010, 10:56:48 PM
Quote
“When tempest tossed, embrace chaos”
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/PRTL.jpg)
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/PRTL4.jpg)
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: therepoman on August 10, 2010, 12:12:17 AM
First up, a supply marker that I cobbled up while watching paint dry. Trailer that comes with the Airfix M3 is a near perfect match (well, cheap anyway) for the Polynorm 1 tonne trailer we used tons for for ammunition, cargo and generator use.

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/Polynorm1tonne1.jpg)

I really like the effect you used on the trailer to simulate the cloth. I might have to steal that from you, if you don't mind.

;)
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: carlos marighela on August 10, 2010, 09:39:23 AM
Probably the same Leopards that ended up in Chile and Brazil. Hmm there's a thought, a modern Chilean battlegroup.....
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: Mr.J on August 10, 2010, 10:43:18 PM
This looks like a great project. Was just wondering how you do the bases, they look really effective. 
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: Gunbird on August 10, 2010, 11:21:44 PM
1.5mm plasticcard, rounded off with a nailclipper  lol then based with sand from the beach.1 colour plus a drybrush, then add various flcks...well, tufts. That's it really.
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: Gunbird on August 14, 2010, 01:20:19 PM
Bridgelayer finished. Bridge is detachable, I've built 1 folded and 1 as bridge, with reinforcements to bear heavy resin vehicles if it needs to.

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/Bruggenlegger1.jpg)
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/Bruggenlegger2.jpg)
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/Bruggenlegger3.jpg)
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/20mm%20Moderns/20mm%20Dutch%20Army%201980-1985/Bruggenlegger4.jpg)
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: Calimero on August 14, 2010, 04:02:37 PM

Cool stuff! Now you’ll need to post some game pictures ;)
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: Gunbird on August 24, 2010, 09:07:25 PM
Game pics it is....

Some real, some staged, not too many action shots, as my army was well dug in but never engaged. My SAS did engage the VDV's artillery assets and enjoyed some succes by destroying 1 AA piece, 2 D-30 guns, some troops and a recce APC. My Rapier and my Gepard (when I commanded them that is) both managed to make a kill and survive the game, a Yak and a Hind, so they have deserved the right to a kill marking. My total casualties were extremely light, my engineer team lost their M113 and was down to 50%, but shot some VDV paras and blew the bridge in return. Brutus, the Cent, was attacked with a russian Maverick look-a-like and was heavily damaged. Considering the state it was in anyway, it served his task as the convoy leader and will propably not be repaired but turned into a monument.

Even though the bulk of my army remained dug in all the game, I had one hell of a time and I will certainly do this again. The army will not be forgotten but slowly expanded over time, as it will be called to active duty again around October 2011, or earlier, if any of my opponents desires it.

Some of my eye candy.
 
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/Big%20Game%202010%20-%20Red%20Tide/BigGame1.jpg)
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(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/Big%20Game%202010%20-%20Red%20Tide/BigGame28.jpg)

Regards from the G man....
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Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: majorsmith on August 24, 2010, 09:42:25 PM
wow! awesome display, who makes the rapier missile unit? the RAF regiment had these sighted around RAF Laarbruch during the 80s, i often saw them sighted outside the base when on exercise/manuevers
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: YPU on August 24, 2010, 09:46:51 PM
Yes lets entrench next to the gas factory, I'm sure we will be perfectly safe there.
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: Gunbird on August 24, 2010, 10:26:18 PM
MajorSmith: The Rapier is a mixed resin and white metal kit for the advanced modeller, 1/76 scale, and is made by Kingfisher Miniatures.

YPU: Funny that you mention that, as the factory suffered a SS-21 strike during the game.
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: Criamon on August 24, 2010, 10:30:26 PM
 :-* :-* :-* Very good job!
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: carlos marighela on August 24, 2010, 11:04:58 PM
Wonderful modelling throughout. Now repeat the entire exercise in 28mm :D
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: Gunbird on August 24, 2010, 11:27:12 PM
Actually, I'm going to repeat the entire excercise again in 20mm, but this time with a Russian 1944 Tank batallion plus support assets, and in 6 months instead of 2 years  :D
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: Calimero on August 24, 2010, 11:34:57 PM

This an your Cold War game thread are both truly awesome. Are the tanks and other vehicles plastic kits or resin "wargames" models?
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: hubbabubba on August 24, 2010, 11:38:08 PM
 :oThat all looks fantstic. Admirable stuff
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: Gunbird on August 25, 2010, 12:08:20 AM
Calimero, they are plastic as well as resin and metal kits, the Leopards, Biber and Landrovers being plastic, and all other vehicles resin with metal bits added (or in the case for the YPR's, imported brass barrels)
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: carlos marighela on August 25, 2010, 11:07:04 AM
Actually, I'm going to repeat the entire excercise again in 20mm, but this time with a Russian 1944 Tank batallion plus support assets, and in 6 months instead of 2 years  :D

No cheating then! No Italeri or HaT quickie kits, no Dragon or Hobby Master pre-paints and all gun barrels to be in drawn brass with the correct rifling.  lol

Once again many thanks for putting all of this on display, it's a marvelous thread, makes me green with envy reagding the modelling skills and it also makes me wonder why I departed from the one true scale. :(
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: dutchboyinohio on August 29, 2010, 04:20:45 AM
Great stuff; the amount and quality are just mind-boggling!! What brand are the YPR's?
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: Gunbird on August 29, 2010, 08:27:32 AM
The YPR's are S&S Models > http://www.sandsmodels.com/

They have been remoddeld now, with better trackwork. I have not bought those, yet.
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: answer_is_42 on August 29, 2010, 11:57:37 AM
Fantastic, very inspirational. Are all the NATO figures there yours?
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: abhorsen950 on August 29, 2010, 12:25:51 PM
Nice Mini's mate. unlucky about the company..
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: gamer Mac on August 29, 2010, 12:42:12 PM
WOW :-* :-* :-*
some lovely stuff.
Is this part of the Guild game I seen somewhere else?
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: Gunbird on August 29, 2010, 04:17:22 PM
Answer: No, just the Dutch.

G-Mac: Yup, Guild Big Game.
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: Gunbird on October 07, 2014, 11:42:36 PM
Ressurection of the undead.  :grin:

Before I tackle the infantry I want to do some vehicles to get back on the horse so to speak. This seems like a nice starter, as it means I add more Reservists and 2nd line stuff to my army, as well as backdating it to as far as 1960.

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/M38A1-C%20TLV/TLV5_zps386fedc4.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/M38A1-C%20TLV/TLV5_zps386fedc4.jpg.html)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/M38A1-C%20TLV/TLV4_zpsc193e941.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/M38A1-C%20TLV/TLV4_zpsc193e941.jpg.html)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/M38A1-C%20TLV/TLV1_zps286a0d07.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/M38A1-C%20TLV/TLV1_zps286a0d07.jpg.html)

Also,

After having discarded the F-16 as being too late for this army, I went looking tonight for airsupport. Back then, we used the small and nimble NF-5 and the speedy F-104G. Well, good luck trying to find a NF-5 with Dutch decals on Ebay. Even the after market ones seemed all dried up. No luck there then. So, what about the F-104G? Well, plenty of those online, including a not too old Italeri rerelease of the old Esci kit, and this includes Dutch decals, of my favorite Dutch squadron, 322 Polly Grey (with a history spanning back to WW2). So a quick scan of the prices made me buy one in the Uk that was dirt cheap (cheaper then anything in the stores here) and included shipping.

So in the future Robs G-for-Germany will get a Dutch friend. Not airbrushed though.  :grin:
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: Daeothar on October 08, 2014, 08:07:22 AM
Cool; nice seeing you getting back to this project.

A Starfighter eh? Now all you need is a Hondekop train, some armed, polically motivated civilians plus some Marines and you're set for playing a De Punt scenario... 8)
Title: Re: Dutch Army for the Cold War
Post by: Calimero on October 12, 2014, 12:23:44 AM

...and it's back! Yeah! ;D