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Other Stuff => Workbench => Topic started by: Zafarelli on July 04, 2010, 10:03:56 PM
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I'm currently working on a new segment for my derelict industrial board, a small piece of coast with a jetty. Not much to see yet:
(http://pictures.pardulon-models.com/workbench/coast.jpg)
There will be biohazard signs on the beaches, and I want the water to look accordingly :D I thought about giving the water an orange tinge, with greenish sewage running from a pipe in the quay, but what I'm really after is the impression that the water is covered by an iridescent oil film. Any tips on how to do this? Also, does anyone have a better idea for foam than, well, lumps of foam (something like clump foliage, only in dirty-white)?
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Try glazing some areas of the surface with metallic blue and purple. That should do it.
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There is some iridescent pigment powder out there such as Pearl Ex. They have kind of a color shift look like green/yellow, blue/red, stuff like that. Might be able to mix it with whatever your using for water as a top coat in swirl or maybe brush it on dry and seal it. Never used it like that. Have mixed it into acrylic and the effect does come through. For the foam possibly some small squirts of expanding foam onto some foil and then place on your board once dry. Its already yellowish. I imagine a brown wash would make look quite nasty
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I was going to suggest pearlescent paint or pigment mixed in with your very top layer of resin too. I'd try 2-3 different blue-green-purple shades mixed together. Never done it but its where i would start and i'd imagine your top layer of resin would need very little pigment.
As to "foam" - i've done soap suds before if that helps...
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_RRKBhA-2I4w/SujCgpHBEtI/AAAAAAAABuc/dgPTrRUkyW4/s640/000final.jpg) (http://brandlin.blogspot.com/2009/10/do-you-think-hell-notice-final-pictures.html)
Click HERE to see how i did the soap, and get a bigger pic.. (http://brandlin.blogspot.com/2009/10/do-you-think-hell-notice-final-pictures.html)
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I've heard that snow flock would work, and no, I don't mean the snow made from mixes of whatever, the stuff you can just scatter atop glue.
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Brandlin, just brilliant! Accidentally, there is a craft store next door to my workshop, must have a look for glass pearls :)
Thanks all the others for the tips with the iridescent pigment. Should be available from the craft store, too. Otherwise, I'll have to raid Vikotnik's paint rack ;D
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wow - the guy who runs pardulon just called me brilliant!! that made my week!
I drooled over those modular resinf fantasy buildings you had, and then just as i was in a position to buy a bundle you stopped making them! you have no idea how peeved i was...
but i suppose i should thank you as its one of the events that made me determined to make my own!
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Today's progress:
(http://pictures.pardulon-models.com/workbench/coast2.jpg)
The cliff:
(http://pictures.pardulon-models.com/workbench/coast3.jpg)
(http://pictures.pardulon-models.com/workbench/coast5.jpg)
And the quay:
(http://pictures.pardulon-models.com/workbench/coast4.jpg)
The cliff is actually rather high, which doesn't show at all in the pictures. I've placed a few sandbag sections and a miniature on top to give a slight indication of scale.
Painting will start tomorrow, once all the PVA is dry.
I drooled over those modular resinf fantasy buildings you had, and then just as i was in a position to buy a bundle you stopped making them! you have no idea how peeved i was...
I am not here, and this conversation never took place, but I am working on a re-release of part of the range and a few new parts as well. Can't give any more specifics or even dates, in case anything interferes (definitely will), but it should be later this year.
but i suppose i should thank you as its one of the events that made me determined to make my own!
You're welcome ;)
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Looking good!
Cork cliffs rock (see what I did there? ;))
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Great stuff Jens, I'll be looking forwards to seeing this coming along.
Duncan
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Jens, very promising start of your new game board,
and Brandlin, what a brilliant miniature vignette - all the very best from me for that competition!
:-* :o :-*
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Started with the first layers of paint. I can't remember for the life of me what colours I used for the groundworks of the other three boards, so I'll have to approximate step by step. The water is still rather experimental. I suspect it could look quite good with Gel Denso and a few metallic washes applied. Also, I have found small glass pearls to duplicate Brandlin's foam.
(http://pictures.pardulon-models.com/workbench/coast6.jpg)
I think I'll add two more segments to the jetty (3 at the moment), to form an L-shape. Also, there needs to be more rubble around the collapsed part, and more stuff in the water, and probably dead fishes, too.
(http://pictures.pardulon-models.com/workbench/coast7.jpg)
The lookout on top of the cliff will be accessible via a ladder and one of the wooden platforms used for the jetty. The paint is still wet, thus the shine. And I really love the cork bark stuff :)
(http://pictures.pardulon-models.com/workbench/coast8.jpg)
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Drooooool...
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Looking really nice so far the ground work is what gives it a great edge.
You might need some stuff growing in the concreate as plants tend to snag in cracks after a while.
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WOW! Stunning new project. I really love the realistic colour of the wood! It looks exactly like bleach out wood which you often find on the beach…perfect! :-*
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for foam you can try a special mix I use for making larp props.
A mix of water PVA and corn starch, then blowing bubbles in it and letting it dry. I suppose you should use relativity much water because that tends to make for smaller bubles.
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looks superb !!!
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Wow! that looks great, I love the water effect, it looks just like the lovely waters of Birmingham ;). Did you do it by mottling colours on to wet paint?
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Cork cliffs rock (see what I did there? ;))
Sadly, yes :(
lol lol
Wow! that looks great, I love the water effect, it looks just like the lovely waters of Birmingham ;). Did you do it by mottling colours on to wet paint?
It's far too clean for Brummie water! ;)
That board is looking very good so far. Should be outstanding when it's finished!
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Thanks, guys!
Duncan, as I said, it was rather experimental. I took the paint directly onto the unprimed MDF board, and smeared it there with a big round brush, all in one go, without cleaning the brush once. Colours used were a garish bright orange, a garish bright green, midnight blue, and black. Everything else simply happened. The board absorbed the moisture in the paint rather quickly, so it was rather the opposite to my usual wet-in-even-wetter technique as used on the groundworks. I was rather concerned that the board would warp from the moisture, so I tried to work as dry as possible.
Did a bit of research on polluted water, and I think I will just leave it as it is. It's amazing, really, the kind of colours you can get with the right kind of petrochemistry.
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It has quite the Halflife feel, if you see what I mean. Excellent!
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Waaay cool, Zaf! Very dystopia. I take it this board fits in with your other?
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Again, some (if little) progress. Started drybrushing the cliff, and painted a few things to litter the beaches. Nothing is glued in place yet, just laid on to give a rough impression. Also painted the sandbag sections.
(http://pictures.pardulon-models.com/workbench/coast10.jpg)
Also, the colour of the groundworks starts to match the previous boards (notice the line where the street section meets the coast section)
(http://pictures.pardulon-models.com/workbench/coast11.jpg)
And finally, I have made a small test piece for the water:
(http://pictures.pardulon-models.com/workbench/coast9.jpg)
Sorry for the blurry picture, it was already getting a bit dark, and I couldn't get a decent picture with artificial lighting. I used Vallejo Gel Denso (some sort of acrylic paste) on painted MDF, same as the board itself. The paste was then sprayed with water to soften it a bit, and smoothed down with tissue. Then, glass beads were added as described by Brandlin (can roughly be seen around the barrel, and top-left and right of the orange patch). Last time, the gel took about 3 weeks to fully dry, so I tried to speed it up with the first tool to fall into my hands... a hot-air gun. This dried the paste in no time, but also had the effect of actually boiling the stuff, so half the bubbles in the picture are actual bubbles, not glass beads. I'm not sure if I dare to recreate this effect on the actual board.
Hammers, of course it does! You can see the road part in some of the pictures. I'll take pictures of the full setup as soon as I'm finished, although I suspect that will probably be late August.
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I'm not sure if I dare to recreate this effect on the actual board.
Do it Jens! It looks superb :-*
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That water effect looks pretty good! (and thanks for the name check... i should have patented the Brandlin method of making bubbles! :) )
I found the best thing was to use the larger glass beads sparingly and then to go round them with the next size down and then to fill in around them with the smallest size trying to keep the shapes flowing and well... swirly.
I found that the best way to set them off was then to wash them with a thinned ink. I was doing soap so I used a white artists acrylic ink - you might want to try something different. I added a touch of retarder to break the surface tension further before applying. Its superb at getting in between the bubbles whislt leaving the actual bubble transparent/translucent so it really makes them 'pop' a little more. From a distance the white also looked like the millions of very tiny bubbles you get in true soap foam.
For your application you might want to try a green, yellow or maybe even an off white?
The remainder of your board is fabulous too. Truly inspirational.
One thing that I often struggle with - what colours have you used on the bleached wood?
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Nice execution of details.
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Wow! Just stumbled upon this and that board looks great!
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Wow! Superb! From the big picture all the way down to the brilliant little details. Inspiring stuff - looking forward to seeing old and new boards together. It's going to look amazing!
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I really like the look of this board, a great contrast to other great boards we see on LAF :)
How did you do the pavement?
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Painting wood is easy - prime black, heavily drybrush with Cold Grey, drybrush with Stonewall Grey, highlight with either Wolf Grey or some other light grey of which I forgot the name (all Vallejo Game Colour). Then carefully pick out a few individual planks with light grey or even white. And finally apply a few thin, uneven washes of various browns. It's amazing how wood can take on almost the colour of concrete.
The concrete surfaces were all done with cork wallpaper (Amazing stuff, cork. Really.). The cracks are simply torn into the material, the pieces were then glued to the board with a millimeter between them. Afterwards, I went over it with plaster to fill in most of the small holes. Then painting.
I'll take detail pictures over the weekend.
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This is totally amazing. Not really my genre but it's a beauty and joy to look at nonetheless. I look forward to more eye candy! ;D
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Painting wood is easy - prime black, heavily drybrush with Cold Grey, drybrush with Stonewall Grey, highlight with either Wolf Grey or some other light grey of which I forgot the name (all Vallejo Game Colour). Then carefully pick out a few individual planks with light grey or even white. And finally apply a few thin, uneven washes of various browns. It's amazing how wood can take on almost the colour of concrete.
The concrete surfaces were all done with cork wallpaper (Amazing stuff, cork. Really.). The cracks are simply torn into the material, the pieces were then glued to the board with a millimeter between them. Afterwards, I went over it with plaster to fill in most of the small holes. Then painting.
I'll take detail pictures over the weekend.
Great, Zafarelli, thanks!
Now, I'll see if I can find some of those wallpapers :)
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Looks amazing
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Silversixx, I got my cork wallpaper from the DIY store. Doesn't come cheap, but is well worth it.
Finally did the water. However, what looked quite good in the little test piece did not turn out that well on the big board. The surface turned out extremely uneven, up to the point where it looked rather like coarse sand than water. I managed to smooth it down a bit by additional layers of different materials (Noch Modellwasser and PVA among them), but it still looks rather odd. Acrylic water mediums and I are not friends. Besides, it warped the board something terrible. Fortunately, that was mended rather easily by covering the other side with PVA, and, once the surface had dried, weighting it down with a few heavy bottles.
However, I like the way all that stuff washed against the beach turned out. Also, the cliff starts to come out nicely.
(http://pictures.pardulon-models.com/workbench/coast12.jpg)
Closeup of the jetty. I got a bit carried away with placing barrels and stuff in the water, so there is no more room for the additional two sections I had planned, or even a boat... Top left you can see a few waves I sculpted from Vallejo Gel Denso in an attempt to give all that movement in the water a sense of direction. They should have dried up clear by tomorrow.
(http://pictures.pardulon-models.com/workbench/coast13.jpg)
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Cool :-*
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Great, Zafarelli, thanks!
Now, I'll see if I can find some of those wallpapers :)
Skander, www.materialbutiken.se (http://www.materialbutiken.se) 's got them, several thicknesses.
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Absolutely fantastic!
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that water is Superb!
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Mensch, Jens, das ist doch superklasse geworden! Man ist selbst immer ein wenig zu kritisch ... :)
Absolutely fantastic!
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The water looks great on the photos! Very very cool. Especially with all the stuff in the water. Awesome.
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Here are a few pictures of the completed coast segment with some terrain and minis on it, as well as some last minute additions. With the added waves, I think the water looks quite good (I'm even tempted to buy more of that Gel Denso stuff, and sculpt some more), although it doesn't really show in the pictures. I'll try to take pictures in daylight someday, as usually, the reflection of the sky is what makes water look like water, instead of acrylic modelling paste under neon light.
Accept for the waves and some more detail painting, the two main additions are the camouflaged lookout on the cliff, and the concrete shelter in the last pictures (which will be available as a kit from Pardulon some time in August). Anyway, thanks for all the helpful tips and suggestions, even if I did not directly respond to them.
(http://pictures.pardulon-models.com/workbench/coast_final1.jpg)
(http://pictures.pardulon-models.com/workbench/coast_final2.jpg)
(http://pictures.pardulon-models.com/workbench/coast_final3.jpg)
(http://pictures.pardulon-models.com/workbench/coast_final4.jpg)
(http://pictures.pardulon-models.com/workbench/coast_final5.jpg)
(http://pictures.pardulon-models.com/workbench/coast_final6.jpg)
(http://pictures.pardulon-models.com/workbench/coast_final7.jpg)
(http://pictures.pardulon-models.com/workbench/coast_final8.jpg)
(http://pictures.pardulon-models.com/workbench/coast_final9.jpg)
(http://pictures.pardulon-models.com/workbench/coast_final10.jpg)
And that's it! Thanks for looking!
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Thanks for sharing :D
Wonderful work you have there, the colour palete is very pleasing to the eye, nice and subtle.
cheers
James
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Small observation, where the concrete sea wall has collapsed for what ever reason, wouldn't there be dirt poured out from under the slabs of concrete? Just thinking that the cemented area would not be 12 feet thick? Anyways, nice work :)
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Great work Jens, a fantastic addition to your board.
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:o WoW :-*
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glad the bubbles worked out for you... you've done them vaery sparringly - which i think is the trick... knowing when to stop.
great board... now is there an airstrip board to go next to them?
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Amazing!
The cork cliffs look fantastic, the buildings, of course, are superbly detailed and very, very convincing, and the attention to detail is staggering. Just brilliant, and while after finishing all this work you might not want to think about more additions yet, Brandlin's idea about an air-strip is great. I'm sure with your skill and imagination, it would look as amazing as everything else you've done for this board.
Pat yourself on the back - this is brilliant work.
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Wow. Just wow.
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Brilliant work! :-*
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Thanks, all!
Alfrik, the water is 6 feet deep at that point, so most of the rubble and sand are below the waterline ;)
Regarding the next extension: I still have some cork bark left, so I thought about adding a more rocky board, probably another cliff with an entrance to an underground base in its side. I thought I might use some of the concrete parts from the building in the last pictures, or maybe make another wall segment with a larger gate. I can't find any reference pictures on the quick, but I seem to remember that in Underworld II and at the end of Terminator III, there were some things that might be useful.
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Or maybe a smugglers nest like in the great film No Escape (okey, its not that great...)?
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Beautiful board and like was said already, the color palette is perfect on it. Really captures the right feel.
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That is one fantastic board! It looks spot on.
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:o That’s absolutely disgusting!!!
...this coast really need a good clean-up… so I guess you pretty much nail it for a plausible Dark Future/Future War scenario lol
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What a vulgar display of modelling prowess! ;)
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What a vulgar display of modelling prowess! ;)
my thoughts exactly!
Seriously though Jens, this is outstanding work, the rest of your board is stunning, but this is really the cream on the cake.
Duncan
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Beautiful stuff. Really Fallout-like and post apocalyptic.
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Beautiful stuff. Really Fallout-like and post apocalyptic.
I think it reminds me of a normal Danish suburb.
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you don't need me to tell you how good that is- but I will anyway! Amazing! :-*
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What scale are those minis?
Brilliant coast board, that harbor is so realistic I can see the jellyfish.
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Thanks, all (again)!
Superscenic, all minis are 28 mm. There are a few Copplestone Future Warriors, the rest are Pardulon (http://pardulon-models.com/product_info.php/info/p85_Ragged-Mercenary-Unit.html?refid=1)
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Greetings
that is one hell of an eye candy. I just plain love it *g*.
Now the only thing which makes me wonder a bit is the collapsed part of the sea wall. Mind you .. it looks stunning. But from little harbor experience I know the concrete is never only sand, water, plaster and cement ;-) Where is the barred armored steel in there ? Pieces of wire perhaps painted rust or so o_o
Never mind.. as I wrote it is a stunning piece ;D
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As to "foam" - i've done soap suds before if that helps...
Are the glass beads semi-sperical or spherical?
I think I would prefer semi-sperical ones if I were to embark on a bubble-project, but the stuff you paint on, and the glue you seal it with, might 'fill out' the foam structure?
For plain white (thick) foam (or other colours, if desired) painted sand can also look quite nice, but you cant beat the beads for bubbles....
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I think it reminds me of a normal Danish suburb.
Where do YOU live? :o
This is my new neighbour :D http://www.egeskov.dk/
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I'm looking forward to see this board extension 'in the flesh' at Horisont. Think I'll even try to get in a game on it. :)
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Are the glass beads semi-sperical or spherical?
I think I would prefer semi-sperical ones if I were to embark on a bubble-project, but the stuff you paint on, and the glue you seal it with, might 'fill out' the foam structure?
For plain white (thick) foam (or other colours, if desired) painted sand can also look quite nice, but you cant beat the beads for bubbles....
These are regular round beads, couldn't get hold of semi-spherical ones. I simply applied the acrylic stuff and sprinkled on the beads as suggested by Brandlin. Gaps between beads do not really show, but to be sure, you can paint it over with PVA.
I'm looking forward to see this board extension 'in the flesh' at Horisont. Think I'll even try to get in a game on it. :)
Looking forward to it :)
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These are regular round beads, couldn't get hold of semi-spherical ones. I simply applied the acrylic stuff and sprinkled on the beads as suggested by Brandlin. Gaps between beads do not really show, but to be sure, you can paint it over with PVA.
OK, good then... I was worrying that the round shape might be too apparent - many semi-spherical ones come with some kind of paperish backing, anyway - not the best condition to start from.
Think I have to go looking in 'Panduro Hobby' in Odense. Bubbles are nice.
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I managed to squeeze in some last minute work on the harbour in the midst of preparing for Crisis. Mainly detail work, fenders made from old tires, a half-sunken boat, mooring posts and whatnot. Had a little help from a friend here, we spent an enjoyable evening adding more and more stuff. She came up with some great ideas, like guano sprinkled all over ;D
(http://pictures.pardulon-models.com/workbench/steg1.jpg)
(http://pictures.pardulon-models.com/workbench/steg2.jpg)
Anyways, I'm off to Crisis tomorrow, hope to see some of you there!
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Won't be there myself but beautiful stuff anyway :-* :-* :-*
I just hope is doesn't get jammy fingerprints all over it (or any other damage )
cheers
James
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Oooh you are clever Jens!!
Looking forward to seeing in the Fleisch.
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I never thought I'd hear myself say something like this, but the bird-droppings are a touch of genius! Fantastic looking board!
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just saw it in the flesh and everything that has been written so far doens't come close to how fantastic it really is.
Good on you Jens.
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Thanks people!
The board was apparently rather well received at Crisis, since it received an award for the 2nd best demo game. The praise should probably go to Driscoles, though, he did the games, as I had to attend to my stand. Great show, btw., many thanks to the organizers. I'm looking very much forward to attend next year's Crisis as well.
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Congrats, Zafarelli. I love the realistic detail of your board. If I can reach even half that level of realism with my stuff, I'll be happy!