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Miniatures Adventure => Weird Wars => Topic started by: SBMiniaturesGuy on July 10, 2010, 01:01:46 AM
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AEG has transferred Dust Tactical to Fantasy Flight Games. FFG says its on track for a release in August/September:
http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_minisite_sec.asp?eidm=123&esem=2
Retails for $99, includes 4x mechas, 2x squads, rules, some terrain bits and what not. I'm gonna pre-order this as soon as it's available!
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Sounds like a game of Hot Potato. Didn't FFG let it rot, and then AEG picked it up and got it going again?
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Sounds like a game of Hot Potato. Didn't FFG let it rot, and then AEG picked it up and got it going again?
Different game. Similar title
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Different game. Similar title
No, I'm not talking about the board game. In 2009, AEG took over the work on Dust Tactics from FFG. Which took over from Rackham, which liked Pablo Parente's art style, but decided to turn it into AT43 instead.
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No, I'm not talking about the board game.
Which FFG released in 2008. This is a different game.
You are perhaps confusing the board game which was released at the same time as FFG also started previewing the miniatures from the Dust miniatures game that was being worked on
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You are perhaps confusing the board game which was released at the same time as FFG also started previewing the miniatures from the Dust miniatures game that was being worked on
Are you trying to be a troll? I've been following the whole Dust stuff since around the time that the first Dust miniseries was released. I remember how they kept going on about a skirmish game. First it was with Rackham. Then they dropped it and FFG picked it up. But they gave us the board game instead. They release some pictures of prototypes, and then nothing for who knows how long until AEG announces that it will release the game. And now this. This game has gone through development hell!
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Are you trying to be a troll? I've been following the whole Dust stuff since around the time that the first Dust miniseries was released. I remember how they kept going on about a skirmish game. First it was with Rackham. Then they dropped it and FFG picked it up. But they gave us the board game instead. They release some pictures of prototypes, and then nothing for who knows how long until AEG announces that it will release the game. And now this. This game has gone through development hell!
According to my infos Jakar is right...
Which is a shame, DUST is such a nice continuation and development of Gear Krieg designs.
And even in the "right" scale (at least for some of us - personally I love my 15mm Gears!).
I still hope the game will come out as planned, I am certainly picking up a copy, even if I will only use the minis and not the rules.
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I just read the FFG annoucement:
"•One platoon of allies, comprised of 2 robots, 15 soldiers, and Captain Joseph Brown.
•One platoon of the axis, comprised of 2 robots, 15 soldiers, and Colonel Sigred Von Thaler"
Robots??? There are no robots in DUST, these are manned walkers.
Hopefully just a small oversight. If not they really do not seem to know what are they planning to sell! >:( :(
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Are you trying to be a troll?
Comments of this nature, I believe, are not really looked upon favorably on this forum.
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And even in the "right" scale (at least for some of us - personally I love my 15mm Gears!).
I have a confession.... ::)
(I've bought some critical mass 15mm, 'not' halo arc troopers! And some 'not' aliens from the company in the US, oh and some vehicles from old crow and GZG...I feel dirty but in good way).
Anyway back to dust, yup hope this still comes good.
The Commander
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Are you trying to be a troll?
Comments of this nature, I believe, are not really looked upon favorably on this forum.
Maybe, but he was put down twice before he took offence................. :?
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Maybe, but he was put down twice before he took offence................. :?
Not in a personal nature, from what I can see.
Calling someone a troll, OTOH....
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(I've bought some critical mass 15mm, 'not' halo arc troopers! And some 'not' aliens from the company in the US, oh and some vehicles from old crow and GZG...I feel dirty but in good way
What??? You deserted the holy scale???
Unbeliever!
8) ;)
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Not in a personal nature, from what I can see.
Calling someone a troll, OTOH....
Easy... :)
I know Jakar from the DP9 forum, he is sometimes a bit eager, but I have also experienced him to be a helpful gamer that provided me artwork for my Banzai! book.
IMO - simply a misunderstanding of two people talking about different things - the Dust (Risklike) board game and the again and again announced DUST miniature game.
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Easy... :)
I know Jakar from the DP9 forum, he is sometimes a bit eager, but I have also experienced him to be a helpful gamer that provided me artwork for my Banzai! book.
IMO - simply a misunderstanding of two people talking about different things - the Dust (Risklike) board game and the again and again announced DUST miniature game.
And pixelgeek is the editor of Tabletop Gaming News (I believe).
Each certainly has their own perspectives, however, my experience is that getting personal never resolves an issue.
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Each certainly has their own perspectives, however, my experience is that getting personal never resolves an issue.
Which is a correct assumption. I'd like to ask everybody to remain civil and polite, even if (or especially if!) discussing such a prolongedly frustrating topic than the seemingly neverending wait for the Dust miniatures game... ;)
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...getting personal never resolves an issue.
So say we all! 8)
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And pixelgeek is the editor of Tabletop Gaming News (I believe).
Each certainly has their own perspectives, however, my experience is that getting personal never resolves an issue.
In elementary school, people would taunt me and provoke me because they knew I would react, often lashing out. Browsing Frothers Unite and 4chan doesn't help much, despite the gems one can find if one looks hard enough. But yeah, seeing a vicious circle being formed, I stomped on the breaks and lashed out. I should have thought of something more diplomatic, but I didn't, and therein lies the problem.
The robots are probably the "Taktische Armatur "Wolf Jäger"", looking like an uparmoured Kereboros panzer-cop, which on the old website was accompanied by a soldier with a wire remote device and was described as a descendant of the Goliath demolition drone. Since the setting has all the superscience based off of alien technology found in Antarctica, technology is pretty much anything goes.
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Are you trying to be a troll?
I don't agree with the way that you're laying out the history of how the various Dust games were/are produced. If I was trying to be a troll I think I would have taken a different approach.
You are also writing very quick posts that contain some very sloppy references which isn't helping with the comprehension of your comments.
AFAIK Rackham never had anything to do with the Dust Tactics miniature game that Paolo was working on. They licensed the AT-43 rules from Rackham to use as the core rules for the game but the game development and distribution was always, again AFAIK, a deal between Paolo and FFG. FFG was to be distributing it with Paolo's business contacts in China doing the production. I am not sure who was working on the rules.
At the same time that this happened FFG also released a Dust themed board game. If you were at Gen Con you could play a demo of the board game and check out some sample of the minis.
So when you say
No, I'm not talking about the board game.
you need to be clear. There was (and still is) a Dust board game from FFG. If you are talking about the new game that AEG was working with Dust Games to produce then you need to be clear since there are two Dust board games.
Now I don't think you have your chronology correct but you are also being pretty damn sloppy about how you are referring to products so who can really tell. If you want to get your panties in such a big knot maybe you can spend some of that energy in advance and just be clear about what you are actually talking about instead of venting when someone doesn't agree with you.
And yes, I know I should take my own advice so no need to point out that glaring piece of hypocrisy.
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Maybe, but he was put down twice before he took offence................. :?
He wasn't put down. I disagreed with him and asked him some questions. Maybe my comments are being taken the wrong way but I was trying to find out what he was talking about.
And pixelgeek is the editor of Tabletop Gaming News (I believe).
Which doesn't mean I'm not wrong. :D Especially when it comes to the hectic and confusing history of this title and the multiple games that have sprung from it. And that isn't even considering AT-43 as a Dust game.
Lets not forget to add in the confusing aspect of FFGs specific business responsibilities for the first Dust miniatures game. I don't think it was ever clarified if they were just distributing the game or if they were involved in some other extent.
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The robots are probably the "Taktische Armatur "Wolf Jäger""
I think Agis is right and its a typo. The marketing people don't know the product or perhaps its a translation issue. The boxed game most assuredly has no robots of any type in it. Just the two walkers for each force.
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I think Agis is right and its a typo. The marketing people don't know the product or perhaps its a translation issue. The boxed game most assuredly has no robots of any type in it. Just the two walkers for each force.
Yup, the usual errors of sloppy marketing guys that are not even knowing what pain they cause to the real fans!
:(
Anyway - I still look forward to the game! :)
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Yup, the usual errors of sloppy marketing guys that are not even knowing what pain they cause to the real fans!
Especially fans who know that names of the actual robots in the game :-)
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I can't say I'm that happy about it moving over to FFG, they have made some pretty nasty cockups in the past...and that robot mistake did make me sigh a little.
While by the sound of things the main box for Dust was pretty much 100% finished before being handed over, so FFG will only have to handle the actual release. I am more worried about expansions and such that will either be partly started already and finished off by FFG, or entirely new ones, as the people working on them could have very different views about where they want to take things.
Then there is the fact that full on miniature games are not FFGs main focus, they are more boardgame/rpg focused, which means we are probably less likely to see miniatures sold outside of the box set. I don't think I can bring myself to get the whole box when all I want are the 2 german mechs.
At the end of the day if I am totally wrong and I get some nice looking affordable 28mm KV-47 models I'll probably be happy.
:)
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To be honest, the only issue I have with FFG is the fact that they take SOOOOO long in releasing things.
The quality of their products are second to none imho.
They now own Tannhauser, and after an agonizingly long wait for the new rules, they're still dragging behind in putting out some new releases. Also, they seem to have very poor support. The forums rarely have any input fron an official capacity.
Sometimes I think they have far too many irons in the fire, and they cannot focus energies on some important aspects.
Still, really looking forward to DUST, regardless of the publisher.
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I'll be honest with ya, I hope to just pick up a couple Mickeys and Luthers off Quarter Kit if they are going to be available that way anymore and leave all the other stuff behind. I don't intend to play the game itself and I think it will be marketed as a board game and not sold as a minis game as noted above so I think we will see lots of troops up for sale and trade on the boards and the mechs will be highly sought after and sold off high on the auction sites. Don't see lots of casual customers delving into it especially at $100 to just get started when you can just do Heroclix, card games and other stuff at a fraction of the price. I wish them the best but i think they would be better off selling in bits like most miniature games. By doing this you will get those casual shopper dropping a bit of cash for a cool mech for whatever game they play or just for displaying or just giving the little ones a squad of cool looking "army men".
Wish them luck and hope they make me eat crow,
Brian
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The forums rarely have any input fron an official capacity.
As a rule FFG don't use their forums for posting of official news or info. They are for fans to discuss the games.
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As a rule FFG don't use their forums for posting of official news or info. They are for fans to discuss the games.
Wasted opportunity IMHO. I just don't understand this line of thinking.
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Wasted opportunity IMHO. I just don't understand this line of thinking.
Forums only talk to a small fraction of dedicated and highly opinionated fans. Its better to concentrate your resources on talking to all your fans instead.
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Forums only talk to a small fraction of dedicated and highly opinionated fans. Its better to concentrate your resources on talking to all your fans instead.
That's just your OPINION!! LOL....yes, we are a highly opinionated group.
I understand your point very well. Possibly I'm a bit spoiled by all the 'small companies' I support. For instance Robert is very active on the Darkson Designs forum, Nathan on the Wyrd one, Jim on the Grindhouse Games (Sotr), Andy at Heresy on Forum of Doom.
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That's just your OPINION!! LOL....yes, we are a highly opinionated group.
Well LA isn't the same as a game or manufacturer specific forum. In fact I always tell people to pay more attention to sites like this than their own forums.
I understand your point very well. Possibly I'm a bit spoiled by all the 'small companies' I support. For instance Robert is very active on the Darkson Designs forum, Nathan on the Wyrd one, Jim on the Grindhouse Games (Sotr), Andy at Heresy on Forum of Doom.
These companies aren't in the same position. They need to rely on those fanatic fans to get the game promoted and give it attention. FFG has store owners demoing new FFG games and people know the company well enough to trust a new game. Darkson, Grindhouse etc don't have that sort of public brand awareness.
That said, they should always step outside of their own forums to get a wider view of how their products are perceived. Your fans can cloud your thinking.
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I don't disagree with that at all. Makes good sense. I've been on enough forums to see how a rabid fan base can make the gaming company miss it's mark.
However, don't you think a company, even one as established as FFG, should pay some attention to the forums? Games Workshop, who find success despite themselves, have spent years alienating their customer base, especially the online presences.
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However, don't you think a company, even one as established as FFG, should pay some attention to the forums?
I think FFG has made a fairly smart decision to limit their participation and lower the expectations and sense of entitlement that people on their forums have.
I think GW's forums are a perfect example of what can happen to a company forum when people think that there is someone at the company listening to their issues and complaints. Or look at the mess that the Privateer Press forums are turning into.
Forums can be useful to view problems that people have with products but the amount of useful information that you can get from them is pretty limited.