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Title: * Silent Invader's Build Something Too - Sentry Rock (28/9 WIP finished!)
Post by: Silent Invader on August 24, 2010, 03:39:30 PM
Well, it's something I need for a game I'm in the throes of putting together for my 18thC North America project (you know the one, I've made a few bits already!).

Basically a watchtower for a non-fortified settlement.  Something like the one in Sleepy Hollow or (I think) The Village.  

I aim to have it completed by mid-October (as other deadlines come to bear).

EDIT = change of title

Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too
Post by: OSHIROmodels on September 03, 2010, 12:30:33 AM
I would have thought that CD would be very useful for this forum  ;D

Nice idea and in keeping with what you have already, good stuff  :)

cheers

James
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too
Post by: kidterminal on September 03, 2010, 08:11:18 AM
This is not a realistic structure no one erects a roofless structure in New England. You have no idea what the winters are like here. Also I've never seen a colonial tower that wasn't attached to another building. Here's an exact replica of a New Hampshire frontier fort from 1744. Note the attached watchtower.

http://www.preservationnation.org/magazine/2010/todays-news/new-hampshire-fort-to-reopen.html

Rob
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too
Post by: Hammers on September 03, 2010, 08:53:53 AM
This is not a realistic structure no one erects a roofless structure in New England. You have no idea what the winters are like here. Also I've never seen a colonial tower that wasn't attached to another building. Here's an exact replica of a New Hampshire frontier fort from 1744. Note the attached watchtower.

http://www.preservationnation.org/magazine/2010/todays-news/new-hampshire-fort-to-reopen.html

Rob

Well, you know, people of the New Hampshire frontier weren't exactly 28mm tall to the eyes and I haven't seen any evidence they had a large metal disc glued to their feet either.   >:D
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too
Post by: Malamute on September 03, 2010, 10:36:08 AM
Build it, Who cares if its not historically accurate! It looks great in the movie and will make a nice addition to your games. :)
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too
Post by: gamer Mac on September 03, 2010, 11:14:27 AM
Build it with a removable roof so you can have it both ways. Opened or closed
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too
Post by: Hammers on September 03, 2010, 01:27:58 PM
Build it with a removable roof so you can have it both ways. Opened or closed

Your intelligence is blinding, GC...  o_o
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too
Post by: kidterminal on September 03, 2010, 06:02:23 PM
Build it with a removable roof so you can have it both ways. Opened or closed

Always a good idea.
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too
Post by: Hammers on September 03, 2010, 07:26:07 PM
Eat hot steaming refuse and pass away, kidterminal! ;)
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too
Post by: Hammers on September 03, 2010, 08:37:12 PM
I just joshing away.  :)
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too
Post by: kidterminal on September 04, 2010, 08:20:20 AM
Instead of a ponder, I had a google.

Folks, I present to you, a period temporary platform structure without a roof!  :D
(http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g22/imagebucket_2006/wargaming/guardtower_02.jpg)
 :)

That's terribly interesting siege tower! I wasn't able to find any pictures of the later western frontier watch towers built all over the west during the Indian wars. I did find these Fire watch towers though. They are nearly the same as the US Calvary ones I saw as a kid. The military ones lacked the porch-like outer railing and either had a chest high outer wall or loop holes instead of windows.
http://bldgblog.blogspot.com/2009/09/fire-lookout-towers-of-pacific.html

Rob
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too
Post by: OSHIROmodels on September 04, 2010, 08:26:47 AM
I think the walls on that are very interesting and I'm wondering on how much is artistic license and how much is 'real'. I'm also wondering how the hell you get in  lol

cheers

James
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too
Post by: kidterminal on September 04, 2010, 08:32:44 AM
We know  ;)  :)

Ha ha my little joshers I will now unleash upon you hours of colonial fort/stockade research guaranteed to give you fits. Or at least a burning desire to build all you're about to see. Which, well is another kind of fit I think. ???

More permeate wooden fort towers.  ;D
http://turcopolier.typepad.com/the_athenaeum/2010/04/archaeology-in-the-americas-part-1-ocmulgee-mounds-macon-ga.html

A wooden stockade and blockhouse.
 http://prickettsfort.blogspot.com/

An interesting article on early American stockades.
http://www.fsgfort.com/DB/C085/36/Text.htm

Interesting facts and drawing of Fort Sackville built by the British Empire in 1777.
http://www.nps.gov/gero/historyculture/fort.htm

Another British blockhouse fort.
http://brownsguides.com/diytours/dariens-fort-king-george/

French wooden fort built about 1730.
http://www.vancouversun.com/travel/Archeologists+unearth+fort+battle+North+America/2717921/story.html o_o

Rob
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too (change of plans 18th Sept)
Post by: kidterminal on September 18, 2010, 05:23:26 PM
This looks great Silent I can't wait to see it finished.

Rob
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too (change of plans 18th Sept)
Post by: Sir Dryden on September 19, 2010, 02:50:31 AM
Looking really good, but I lost my tower-brother :(

Yours truly,

Sir Dryden
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too (change of plans 18th Sept)
Post by: Barry S on September 19, 2010, 03:03:55 AM
As with all your projects SI, I'll be watching this with interest  :D
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too (update 19/10: basics of the rocks)
Post by: Captain Blood on September 19, 2010, 06:33:42 PM
A nice looking feature in plan.

I was expecting to see piles of coins for the base rocks... But FOAM!!  :o :o

 ;)

 lol
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too (update 19/10: basics of the rocks)
Post by: dijit on September 19, 2010, 06:43:24 PM
I'm curious as to why you've chosen to use foam. It's not exactly something I would think of using to build rocks with. But otherwise if it follows the standard on the rest of your stuff, then it's going to be great.
Duncan
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too (update 19/10: basics of the rocks)
Post by: dijit on September 19, 2010, 07:46:51 PM
Ok, now I'm really intrigued as to see how this is going to turn out. You could just have stumbled on the next modelling secret :) - if it works that is, as which wargamer doesn't have tons of foam lying around?
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too (update 19/10: basics of the rocks)
Post by: Barry S on September 20, 2010, 06:32:38 AM
Some may find this link interesting regarding the use of foam for rocks:
http://members.westnet.com.au/mjbd/html/foam_rocks_-_frocks.html

I have another link somewhere that I found some time ago which also has a tutorial regarding the use of foam as rocks but this site shows what can be achieved using the soft, spongy foam often used in lounge suites. Unfortunately, I can’t seem to find it in my favourites...

I will post the link if or when I come across it.

Cheers,

Barry

PS: Looking good SI :D
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too (update 19/10: basics of the rocks)
Post by: Malamute on September 20, 2010, 12:02:03 PM
Looking great already :)
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too (update 19/10: basics of the rocks)
Post by: dijit on September 20, 2010, 01:28:58 PM
Great link there Barry! I'm looking forwards to seeing how this turns out. Like you say it looks pretty good, if it'll turn out hard as well then it's something that is going to have to be experimented with.
Duncan
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too (update 19/10: basics of the rocks)
Post by: anevilgiraffe on September 20, 2010, 01:42:58 PM
Quote
any plaster board jointing compound to hand


that's just normal filler surely? watered down a fair bit probably... I like the strata they've achieved...
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too (update 19/10: basics of the rocks)
Post by: Barry S on September 20, 2010, 01:56:49 PM
Glad the link was useful.

I'm chuffed it's Australian as usually these types of things are from other parts of the world and we need to try and find local alternatives  lol

The other link I referred to in my original post was American and I still haven't come across it  ::)

Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too (update 20/9: basics of walls & roof)
Post by: YPU on September 20, 2010, 08:58:50 PM
Man I wish everybody else posted so many pictures of their works, builds, paints or other wise. (that includes myself as well)
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too (update 20/9: basics of walls & roof)
Post by: Sir Dryden on September 20, 2010, 09:00:12 PM
No no no, MORE images, we need MORE images ;)

I really like your structure. It would look right at home in my neighborhood lol.

Yours truly,

Sir Dryden
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too (update 20/9: basics of walls & roof)
Post by: Plynkes on September 20, 2010, 09:34:06 PM
If it were made out of corrugated iron and had the battalion's name spelt out on the ground in front with tiny whitewashed rocks, it could almost pass as a Boer War blockhouse. Inspired by you, I was thinking of throwing my hat into the ring and building one of those, but two things stopped me: 1) I can't be bothered. 2) I don't currently have a camera, so there's no point anyway.

Looking forward to seeing the finished result.  :)
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too (update 20/9: basics of walls & roof)
Post by: Captain Blood on September 20, 2010, 11:12:27 PM
two things stopped me: 1) I can't be bothered.

That is indeed a persuasive argument...  :)

But it would be a nice to see a Plynkes-built Boer War blockhouse...  ::)
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too (update 20/9: basics of walls & roof)
Post by: gamer Mac on September 21, 2010, 07:46:07 AM
Lovely stuff SI
Really coming on a storm.
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too (update 20/9: basics of walls & roof)
Post by: Malamute on September 21, 2010, 08:33:37 AM
Yep, looking great with every new photo :)
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too (update 20/9: basics of walls & roof)
Post by: kidterminal on September 22, 2010, 07:44:24 AM
It looks great Silent. I'm still a little uncertain about using the packing foam but hopefully a few more coats of filler will sort them.

Rob
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too (update 22/9: boulder wall and shingles)
Post by: dijit on September 22, 2010, 08:20:09 PM
That's a pity regarding the rocks. I think I'm still going to have to give the technique a shot though. But a good looking build, it's looking promising.
Duncan
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too (update 22/9: boulder wall and shingle
Post by: Malamute on September 22, 2010, 09:39:50 PM
It's looking really, really good now. I like the loopholes. :)
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too (update 22/9: boulder wall and shingles)
Post by: Ray Rivers on September 22, 2010, 10:01:25 PM
Your perseverance is paying off.

The build is coming out really nice.

 :-*
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too (update 22/9: boulder wall and shingles)
Post by: OSHIROmodels on September 22, 2010, 10:41:32 PM
Please excuse naff grammer etc as I'm typing this from my i-thing.

This is looking very promising indeed  :D How about for the next tine you do the foam roks you cover tyem with pva and then use car body filler for the hard coat. you can get it at Halfords and its called p38. Stinks to high heavan but gives a vert tougg finish.

cheers

James (who's being very high tech  ;D )
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too (update 22/9: boulder wall and shingles)
Post by: kidterminal on September 23, 2010, 06:24:12 AM
The building looks great. The rock outcropping is in need of texture. Try crumpling up a small ball of tinfoil and pressing it into the green stuff for texture.

Rob
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too (update 22/9: boulder wall and shingles)
Post by: dijit on September 23, 2010, 10:03:22 AM
I've used car body filler on Polystrene and it just crumbled, wrecking the piece I was working on, I'd say avoid it on the foam (great for so many other things though), though if you do try it, try it on some scrap first and see if it will hold.
Duncan
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too (update 22/9: boulder wall and shingles)
Post by: OSHIROmodels on September 23, 2010, 12:14:27 PM
A decent base coat of pva will sort you out no worries.

There is also a styrene content in it (about 15% if I remember correctly) so you can use plastic glue on it with some effect.

cheers

James
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too (update 23/9: rocky outcrop redefined)
Post by: Malamute on September 23, 2010, 10:19:34 PM
Bloody brilliant :-*
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too (update 23/9: rocky outcrop redefined)
Post by: kidterminal on September 24, 2010, 06:22:10 AM
Now its looking good.
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too (2nd update 25/9: on the home straight!)
Post by: kidterminal on September 25, 2010, 09:47:15 PM
That's nice Silent. I see you're a man who must have working doors in everything. By the way the GF saw these pictures and she says no one is allowed to have this much talent.  ;D

Rob
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too (2nd update 25/9: on the home straight!)
Post by: gamer Mac on September 25, 2010, 11:37:35 PM
Cracking work :-* :-*
Some lovely detail
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too (2nd update 25/9: on the home straight!)
Post by: Braz on September 26, 2010, 01:43:09 AM
Astounding work. Amazing even before it's finished.
Love your attention to detail. Did I read that right that you redid the panel lines underneath? Incredible!
Thanks for the tutorial style that mentions even your boo-boos and how you dealt with them...a real learning experience.

Can't wait to see the finished piece.
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too (2nd update 25/9: on the home straight!)
Post by: Barry S on September 26, 2010, 03:26:15 AM
That looks brilliant  :-* :-* :-*

I really and admire your attention to detail as well!

Thanks chaps.  :)

I should have mentioned, now that the epoxy putty has been added the foam-covered-with-filler-and-then-a-dash-of-super-glue has firmed up rather nicely; it no longer suffers when pressed with a finger tip.

Glad to hear it worked out for you.
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too (2nd update 25/9: on the home straight!)
Post by: marianas_gamer on September 26, 2010, 09:02:42 PM
Lovely work, any chance that you are going to put in strap hinges on the door and trap door?
LB
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too (2nd update 25/9: on the home straight!)
Post by: jorge808 on September 26, 2010, 09:14:51 PM
The details are very good. Great work
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too - Sentry Rock (28/9 WIP finished!)
Post by: Malamute on September 28, 2010, 02:55:34 PM
Superb, from the initial concept to the finished product. :-*
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too - Sentry Rock (28/9 WIP finished!)
Post by: Aaron on September 28, 2010, 03:22:21 PM
Wow, that turned out very well!
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too - Sentry Rock (28/9 WIP finished!)
Post by: Hammers on September 28, 2010, 03:35:45 PM
Looking good! We have some very nice entries.
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too - Sentry Rock (28/9 WIP finished!)
Post by: Captain Blood on September 28, 2010, 07:53:12 PM
Very thorough as usual!  ;)
I think that's turned out rather well. Looking forward to seeing the finished product.
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too - Sentry Rock (28/9 WIP finished!)
Post by: gamer Mac on September 28, 2010, 09:30:38 PM
All I can say is.....It's going to take some beating
Got to agree with that.
Cracking build :-*
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too - Sentry Rock (28/9 WIP finished!)
Post by: Barry S on September 29, 2010, 04:24:29 AM
That looks brilliant  :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too - Sentry Rock (28/9 WIP finished!)
Post by: dijit on September 29, 2010, 11:31:09 AM
Now that is exceptionally nice, and has been said is going to take some beating.
Duncan
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too - Sentry Rock (28/9 WIP finished!)
Post by: artshiraz on September 29, 2010, 11:59:19 AM
Greetings

What an interesting build. But what really caught my eye today is this last picture you showed. The one with the summary. Probably because I have not (yet) seen such pictures in projects. It gives me -personally-, the  essence  -I think would be the word- from that this contest is about. A project from start till end. Milestones. An accomplishment.

I hope to see more such summary pictures in the future.

Thank you much
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too - Sentry Rock (28/9 WIP finished!)
Post by: OSHIROmodels on September 29, 2010, 06:59:39 PM
Great stuff SI  :D

cheers

James
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too - Sentry Rock (28/9 WIP finished!)
Post by: anevilgiraffe on September 29, 2010, 10:25:55 PM
very very impressed with that... pity the rocks ended up being so much work...
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too - Sentry Rock (28/9 WIP finished!)
Post by: Remington on September 29, 2010, 10:37:20 PM
Brilliant result, Silent Invader!
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too - Sentry Rock (28/9 WIP finished!)
Post by: Furt on September 30, 2010, 06:39:34 AM
I hope to see more such summary pictures in the future.

Agreed, a nice way to present a competition project.

The devil is in the detail SI - is it hot down there?!?!?  ;) WOW!
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too - Sentry Rock (28/9 WIP finished!)
Post by: traveller on October 01, 2010, 02:13:13 PM
Great model and a excellent tutorial! Thanks!
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too - Sentry Rock (28/9 WIP finished!)
Post by: Christian on October 01, 2010, 11:58:42 PM
Not only am I pulling out of the competition now, I'm pulling out of life. Just kidding :) That's a great piece of terrain there!
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too - Sentry Rock (28/9 WIP finished!)
Post by: kidterminal on October 02, 2010, 06:29:14 AM
That turned out great Silent. I'm glad I could be of some slight help.

Rob
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too - Sentry Rock (28/9 WIP finished!)
Post by: Hammers on October 06, 2010, 01:09:35 PM
... the value of masking cannot be overstated.   

Amen.
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too - Sentry Rock (28/9 WIP finished!)
Post by: Captain Blood on October 06, 2010, 01:17:55 PM
You live and learn...  ::)

 ;)
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too - Sentry Rock (28/9 WIP finished!)
Post by: JollyBob on October 06, 2010, 01:26:12 PM
This really is a brilliant build, I'm looking forward to seeing it painted.  :)
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too - Sentry Rock (28/9 WIP finished!)
Post by: Remington on October 10, 2010, 05:05:01 PM
Well good thing you corrected that inexcusable, atrocious mistake... How could you?

 lol

But that is the way of the true perfectionist I guess. Can't wait to see it finished.
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too - Sentry Rock (28/9 WIP finished!)
Post by: kidterminal on October 11, 2010, 05:55:56 AM
A belated thank you for the feedback which is very generous. 

I've moved on to the painting stage but when spray undercoating I forgot to mask the foam board 'boulder wall' and so parts of it were damaged by the solvent.  Fortunately, it was easily repaired with greenstuff but the value of masking cannot be overstated.   

I coat it my foam board with 2 layers of watered down PVA glue. I seals the foam and prevents that sort of thing.

Rob
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too - Sentry Rock (28/9 WIP finished!)
Post by: Malamute on October 11, 2010, 04:48:31 PM

the sides of the boulders and the crevices between were great, I just lost my rounded peaks!  :()

Same thing happens to me when I make Meringues :D
Title: Re: Silent Invader's Build Something Too - Sentry Rock (28/9 WIP finished!)
Post by: kidterminal on October 13, 2010, 05:16:54 PM
Thanks for the feedback   :)

Thanks Rob, that is a top tip. 

I did give it one coat of PVA, as shown (still wet) in this image:

It would seem that my shortcoming was in not giving it two coats.

I suspect that, as it dried, the first coat shrunk away from the 'peaks' of the boulders to leave them unprotected, as it was these that suffered the damage from the spray undercoat (the sides of the boulders and the crevices between were great, I just lost my rounded peaks!  :()

Yeah that stuff is porous as hell. The best way to check if you've given it enough coats I've found is to tap it with a tool, if you hear the click of a hard surface you're good. If not then you're hitting foam and you'll need more coats.

Rob
Title: Re: * Silent Invader's Build Something Too - Sentry Rock (28/9 WIP finished!)
Post by: kidterminal on November 17, 2010, 07:16:17 AM
Looks great!