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Miniatures Adventure => The Second World War => Topic started by: ErikB on August 27, 2010, 05:03:11 PM

Title: Warlord Games Plastic Wehrmacht Infantry
Post by: ErikB on August 27, 2010, 05:03:11 PM
I just got the set of plastic minis.  I had been looking forward to this for quite some time but I am somehow disappointed by their size.  They are just tiny.

http://www.warlordgames.co.uk/?p=7222

The idea, the way they laid out the components to fit together, the sculpting - all of these are quite nice.  They are pretty good minis.

They are simply way too tiny, however.  Maybe I'm partial to Copplestone minis that are nice and robust, making good playing pieces.  I know they are out of scale and very cartoonish but I like their robustness.

These Warlord Games plastic Wehrmacht are even tinier and finer than the most fragile Artizan Designs minis.

Let's see how they paint up, though.

Has anyone else tried these minis?  Any impressions?
Title: Re: Warlord Games Plastic Wehrmacht Infantry
Post by: Cosmotiger on August 27, 2010, 07:57:09 PM
I don't have these, but looking at the sprue, my opinion is that the open hands are a mistake.  When companies do that with plastic military models, they often don't hold the weapon right, with strange or awkward results.

When figures are meant to be used for gaming, there is a whole other complication in that they are going to be handled. 

For gaming figures, I think the approach used by GW and Valiant is better: mold the hands/arms in one piece with the weapon.
Title: Re: Warlord Games Plastic Wehrmacht Infantry
Post by: Remington on August 27, 2010, 09:18:09 PM
Oh, I was hoping that they would fit well with the rest of the BAMs and Artizans... Would you be so kind a post a size comparison picture with an Artizan mini?
Title: Re: Warlord Games Plastic Wehrmacht Infantry
Post by: King Tiger on August 27, 2010, 09:27:44 PM
after seeing them held in hand on vids and comparing them to it I dunno, to me they look alright and normal, I find allot of companies seem to heroic scale there models allot, or give them extra chunk, or allot just stand in very upright poses.

maybe its just the change in weight and the very low down poses that give an impression on shortness, or perhaps unlike metals they don't have a large metal disk molded to there feet.

I dunno.

as to open hands, I can see it being impractical to more detail liking players, but as gaming pieces 3 feet away I think they'll be fine, and it gives allot of versatility, and shouldn't be a problem when handled unless its rough.

I certainly can't wait to get them, I like metals but the weight is annoying when you have to carry them to clubs in a case, and I can't wait to paint some up in some brown like the troops from the Ruhr
Title: Re: Warlord Games Plastic Wehrmacht Infantry
Post by: ErikB on August 27, 2010, 10:08:15 PM
Rifles sat nicely in the hands.  Not so bad as it sounds here on this board.  Good fit.

Let's see how they look when painted and given a wash.  There ought to be a nice amount of space to catch that darkener.

I'll try to post some images at some point.

Title: Re: Warlord Games Plastic Wehrmacht Infantry
Post by: Arlequín on August 28, 2010, 07:03:25 AM
I don't think we can be overly critical if they don't fit in with other manufacturer's ranges, however if they aren't compatible with the metal BAM figures that's a different story.
Title: Re: Warlord Games Plastic Wehrmacht Infantry
Post by: revford on August 29, 2010, 01:20:55 PM
BAM figures are smaller than Artizan, but they all look okay together to me.

If they're a little small alongside Artizan, it's a good chance they find in with BAM.
Title: Re: Warlord Games Plastic Wehrmacht Infantry
Post by: Christian on August 29, 2010, 01:40:05 PM
One thing that people may have missed is that we now have a new weapon sprue :D
Title: Re: Warlord Games Plastic Wehrmacht Infantry
Post by: midismirnoff on August 29, 2010, 02:08:48 PM
And, on the other hand, it is now possible to arm our fine German friends and hosts of this site with any kind of weird stuff.
(That sounds strange tho, as if the webmaster could swing a zzzap gun!)
Title: Re: Warlord Games Plastic Wehrmacht Infantry
Post by: Arlequín on August 29, 2010, 02:42:47 PM
I don't want to come over all PC, but you might want to consider changing a word in that post to 'our fine German friends and hosts of this site'... just a thought.  ;)
Title: Re: Warlord Games Plastic Wehrmacht Infantry
Post by: Remington on August 29, 2010, 03:24:05 PM
Well, as a German I don't mind the word  "Kraut"... and my Greek half might even decide to endure "Stavros"... not for long though. "Zorbas" I would endure a bit longer. :D

The weapon sprue is a great thing indeed, but the rifles especially are too flimsy for my liking. Even in the hands of the miniatures they are intended for.
Title: Re: Warlord Games Plastic Wehrmacht Infantry
Post by: Westfalia Chris on August 29, 2010, 03:58:38 PM
Kraut's not bad with me, either, although I prefer "Jerry". I've seen the sprue in the current Wargames Illustrated and while I like the figures, I think the weapons will be the "make or break" part (pun intended). If you could get metal weapons to arm them with, I'd give them a go sooner than later.
Title: Re: Warlord Games Plastic Wehrmacht Infantry
Post by: former user on August 29, 2010, 04:10:46 PM
Krauts for WWII miniatures is fine with me, but I appreciate the concern

comparison shots would be indeed very useful
Title: Re: Warlord Games Plastic Wehrmacht Infantry
Post by: ErikB on August 29, 2010, 07:10:34 PM
Jerry, Tommy, Yank - we're the only ones named after a verb!   lol lol

Jim Hale makes a good point.

I mentioned the difference in size and compatibility because, I'd figure, that people are trying to keep their Wehrmacht/SS guys (not cabbages, sour or otherwise) looking alike.  I have an assortment of Artizan Wehrmacht (of which I am very fond) and got some Renegade Wehrmacht.  They look so much different that they just don't feel compatible. 

The Warlord ones are even more petite and dainty than the Artizan ones but they could fit in together.

The weapons are way too fine (despite being beautiful).

I'd strongly encourage Warlord Games to increase the robustness of these otherwise very nice minis.  Those K98s will break if someone someone sneezes on them o if they are put in a foam carrying case.

(Their choice of parts and sculpting is great, though, so three cheers to some very good thinking and planning on their part!!!!  The only problem is the fragility and being just a little too small.)
Title: Re: Warlord Games Plastic Wehrmacht Infantry
Post by: Arlequín on August 29, 2010, 07:32:15 PM
I think it's a case of damned if you do or damned if you don't with weapons, as you get in scale but fragile, or sturdy GW-style mega weapons that look a bit silly. You get so used to seeing weapons on figures oversized, it comes as a surprise when you see the real thing and realise how small it actually is.
Title: Re: Warlord Games Plastic Wehrmacht Infantry
Post by: midismirnoff on August 29, 2010, 09:02:44 PM
 :-X
Being North-Italian and semi-German myself, as much as I definitely love Germany, I find frog-eaters, pizza-eaters, ragazzi, yanks, and so on, just a touch of retro-talking. However, sorry to anybody concerned with that (by the way, if it were outrageous it would be bad even if posted on Frothers or anywhere else).

That said, we will be able to make our own "weird" stuff with that kit. Just immagine maxminis' wolf heads on those models, simple and effective way of doing some Werewolves SS!
Title: Re: Warlord Games Plastic Wehrmacht Infantry
Post by: Arlequín on August 30, 2010, 09:14:32 AM
I didn't think any harm was meant, I'm just aware that some internet folk get a might more touchy than they would in real life. It's refreshing that our squarehead German members don't feel that way. I certainly don't object to being a Limey, unless it's coupled with other adjectives.  ;)

Your point though is a good one. Plastic lends itself to conversion and if they follow up with other nationalities too, more's the better.
Title: Re: Warlord Games Plastic Wehrmacht Infantry
Post by: former user on August 30, 2010, 09:17:19 AM
would be interesting to know to what other soldiers they could be converted

uniform specialists, any ideas?
Title: Re: Warlord Games Plastic Wehrmacht Infantry
Post by: Arlequín on August 30, 2010, 09:20:01 AM
1950's Argentinians? Or indeed many South American countries. Low boots seem to have been worn in the field too  :?

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_7xGESFZ0NC8/SoaztUV1Y3I/AAAAAAAADa0/WBT2vtMlG1w/s400/1.jpg)
Title: Re: Warlord Games Plastic Wehrmacht Infantry
Post by: former user on August 30, 2010, 09:27:24 AM
nothing earlier?

I mean without helmets and weapons, just the basic figure
don't know, interwar, SCW, late colonials?
Title: Re: Warlord Games Plastic Wehrmacht Infantry
Post by: Arlequín on August 30, 2010, 09:36:40 AM
I think the 'late war' look does fix them a little and the German tunic is quite distinctive in any case. Having said that plastic will be easier to carve away the detailing, so I guess it depends on your skill and imagination.
Title: Re: Warlord Games Plastic Wehrmacht Infantry
Post by: former user on August 30, 2010, 09:52:45 AM
it's the loose pants, right?
hmm

italian colonial uniform?
british colonial uniform?
Title: Re: Warlord Games Plastic Wehrmacht Infantry
Post by: white knight on August 30, 2010, 11:41:51 AM
I think the mistake with the weapons is they wanted to take advantage of the possibilities of plastic to do them in scale, forgetting that this is not a stand-alone range but is supposed to go with and be compatible with the BAM metal range they already sell. So they should have kept the weaponsize consistent.

Either way, the conversion potential is great and I will take advantage of the open hands to build some looting germans, stealing art and the like.  :D
Title: Re: Warlord Games Plastic Wehrmacht Infantry
Post by: Col.Stone on August 30, 2010, 12:06:44 PM
WK best idea for these i've heard  lol

as for conversions i'm looking at turning a few of mine into 70s-80s east german NVA, they had a uniform cut that looked a lot like old wehrmacht uniforms, AK74's from TAG and forage cap heads from anglian/empress and ivan's your uncle  8)

trying to figure out if the backpacks are useable for that aswell, i think the czechs used similar equipment late on but no idea about the NVA..
Title: Re: Warlord Games Plastic Wehrmacht Infantry
Post by: midismirnoff on August 30, 2010, 12:58:23 PM
I think the mistake with the weapons is they wanted to take advantage of the possibilities of plastic to do them in scale, forgetting that this is not a stand-alone range but is supposed to go with and be compatible with the BAM metal range they already sell. So they should have kept the weaponsize consistent.

Either way, the conversion potential is great and I will take advantage of the open hands to build some looting germans, stealing art and the like.  :D

Agree. However there's a lot of loose ww2 metal weapons out there, with the usual tabletop proportions.
Title: Re: Warlord Games Plastic Wehrmacht Infantry
Post by: axabrax on August 30, 2010, 03:05:51 PM
I know it's a their attempt, but the pics of these did not impress me at all. The poses are very unnatural looking in my opinion, and the sculpts are medicore at best, especially copmared to how nice the metal BAM stuff is. Maybe they look better in person?
Title: Re: Warlord Games Plastic Wehrmacht Infantry
Post by: meninobesta on August 30, 2010, 03:11:59 PM
would be interesting to know to what other soldiers they could be converted

Modern day SS reenactor that attend wargame/comic conventions...

that would be a nice wargaming set... that, or the SS reenactors fight "The Sound of music" fans in the Von Trap Mansion

Title: Re: Warlord Games Plastic Wehrmacht Infantry
Post by: Remington on August 30, 2010, 05:08:20 PM
Agree. However there's a lot of loose ww2 metal weapons out there, with the usual tabletop proportions.

BAM themselves producing some of them! Would be interesting to see some together.
Title: Re: Warlord Games Plastic Wehrmacht Infantry
Post by: midismirnoff on September 01, 2010, 03:07:27 PM
Col. Stone showing some on Fu:uk
http://www.frothersunite.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=28094 (http://www.frothersunite.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=28094)

(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i295/Col_stone/DSC00797.jpg)

Title: Re: Warlord Games Plastic Wehrmacht Infantry
Post by: former user on September 01, 2010, 06:35:07 PM
is it only me or does the metal head with the garrison cap look weird?
Title: Re: Warlord Games Plastic Wehrmacht Infantry
Post by: Col.Stone on September 01, 2010, 06:43:06 PM
it's the angle of the photo and the figure pose, they do not work well together  lol
it looks better irl
i posted the pic here aswell :)
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=22045.0
Title: Re: Warlord Games Plastic Wehrmacht Infantry
Post by: arktos on September 04, 2010, 05:57:09 AM
Why the manufacturers "playing" with dimensions ?
Did they now that they produce toys ? And the first rule is durability, not tiny gun barrels ...

P.S. Please forgive my poor use of the English language, but it's not my mother language.  :(
Title: Re: Warlord Games Plastic Wehrmacht Infantry
Post by: Remington on September 04, 2010, 07:01:30 AM
Anyone bothered to place them next to an Artizan mini and maybe a metal BAM one?  :D

Nice idea btw to use them as Eastern Germans.