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Miniatures Adventure => The Second World War => Topic started by: elysium64 on November 03, 2010, 01:46:30 AM
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As mentioned in workbench My main project envisioned for Winter and possibaly beyond, (not through slow painting, but due to expansion :D) is to produce a German and Allied Platoon for Crossfire (Really pissed of, earlier on I spilt coffee over my new rule book, think I've managed to unstick the pages , Edit: pages OK, at least know when I refer to the rules my copy makes it look like I have been playing for years lol>:().
Initially the German Platoon will contain:
BEF Miniatures Waffen SS squad (can I say that let me know will Edit), unfortunately in peadot camo smocks, been putting off painting camo smocks for years)
BEF Miniatures Heer Squad
Crusader Early German squad box
+ Platoon Leader
The Allied
BEF Miniatures British section
BEF Miniatures Highland section
Crusader French infantry squad
+ Platoon Leader
Also have first Tank a BEF Miniatures Matilda 11
BEF Miniatures: http://www.befminiatures.co.uk/
Crusader Miniatures: http://www.crusaderminiatures.com/list.php?cat=14&sub=37&page=1
To this I intend to attach mortars, HMG's, artillery and vehicles/Tanks.
I am also building a replica of the Airfix Foward Command Post
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have already built all the accesories,
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but re-doing the house in better matierials.
If I can stay focused would like to expand to Company level (3 Platoons), Cavalry, MORE TANKS
I will be adding rules for Commando Comics style Heroics, possibaly done as a card system, with hidden heroes as I don't want to go down realistic route, but more influenced by Commando Comics, Boys Own stories, Movies etc. Although there are many actual heroic stands put up by the allies on the retreat to Dunkirk which I would also like to replicate, need to provide for both.
Quick request: Any good Tutorials on Peadot Camo (apart from sticky at top of section, would like to compare styles and results before I attempt mine), and Tartan (always promised my self I would never paint Tartans, but it is only one kilt to paint).
The BEF Order arrived on Monday morning (Very quick), and I think the models are great, I know the cocked hats are a little to cartoony for some, but they are perfect for my concept.
I have spent the last two days cleaning and assembling the models, basecoating and basing.
Here is the complete lot of BEF models.
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Now in more detail (where paints quoted they will be Foundry (http://wargamesfoundry.com/paint_and_brushes/paint_sets/), except for a few Games Workshop (GW))
The British, undercoated in 29A Moss shade, with a GW Devlan Mud Wash.
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BEF infantry left, Highland Infantry Right, and the stumpy guy is the Tank Commander
The Germans undercoated in 32B Slate Grey with a GW Devlan Mud Wash
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Waffen SS left, Heer right
Matilda Tank
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I am awaiting some money from ebay, and will buy some of the foundry WW2 range (possibaly the complete starter deal) along with the Motorcyclist set from Dads Army range to complete my Foward Command Post. In the meantime thought I could paint the Matilda, as Tankie Overalls varied in colour and don't need to match. See following Post for the start of Step by Step.
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Looks like it is going to be a fascinating project. It will be great to see how the ladies in white fit in, same with that rather large, hairy gent behind them!
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So in this post I am applying the initial green prior to adding camoflage, weathering and washes.
First Heavy not so dry brush of 27A Storm Green shade
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Drybrush of 27B Storm Green
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Drybrush of 28C Phlegm Green shade
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Drybrush of 28B Phlegm Green
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Final very light drybush of a mix of about 1 part 27B Storm Green, 3-4 parts 29C Moss light
This Colour:
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And thats it for today, will do camoflage, tracks and...... tomorrow
Tell me what you think am I posting to many pictures? do you just want to see the finished article? Are you interested? Do you even bloody care?
I am making a conscious effort to record this WIP as after my dismal efforts at WIP in contest, I just get too carried away modelling, creating and painting, I need to learn the art of the WIP!
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And those "ladies" in white, what make are they?
I am assuming 28mm here? Looking very nice.
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And those "ladies" in white, what make are they?
I am assuming 28mm here? Looking very nice.
Wyrd Miniatures, Collette Du Bois boxed set. yes 28mm.
Now please ignore the Ladies in white >:(
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You put them in the picture :D
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Very nice! I like the process on the Matilda II.
Re. SS: As long as you don't paint visible/discernible collar patches on the figures (or if you do, blot them out in the photos), it's going to be okay.
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Really nice start to the project. Will watch with interest.
And the more pictures the better.
I have a tutorial for tartan somewhere I will try and dig it out.
The command post stuff looks great. Really brings back some old memories.
The BEF miniature look good as well, I will need to go and have a look at thier site.
One question, I don't recognise the box hanging off the back of the matilda?
As for the ladies, it is becoming your trade mark to have them in every picture lol
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The box on the back of the Matilda is a trench crossing skid tail, as fitted to the early A12's in France.
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Great project and looking forward to seeing this develop.
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very nice,get yourself an Airbrush Kit ( with the Ebay Money,perhaps ;)) you can save so much Time painting Vehicles...
Youre on the SoTR Forum aswell,Kamerad?
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very nice,get yourself an Airbrush
Youre on the SoTR Forum aswell,Kamerad?
Even though it takes longer, I actually enjoy the process of paiting by hand, one day I may try ot Airbrushes....
I am a member of SOTR forum, but not been active recently.
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Very nice! I like the process on the Matilda II.
Re. SS: As long as you don't paint visible/discernible collar patches on the figures (or if you do, blot them out in the photos), it's going to be okay.
When you get around to the Germans, remember to photoshop out any Swastikas on air recognition panels etc too. ;)
They're looking good and I look forwards to any updates. :)
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Thanks to some excellent diagrams provided by Jim Hale. I felt brave enough to tackle the camoflage, I had an idea how to do this quick and easily, but I had never tried it out, well If I am going to make an idiot of myself lets do it publicly.
Firstly I mixed about 2 parts GW Black to 3 parts 98A British Denizon Green shade, to this I added water, enough to make a fairly solid wash (can't be more specific as experimented until reached what I thought was the right consistency) using a size 0 brush I then picked up a little wash (dabbing off excess on pallette) and drew the two outside lines of the camaflage on the hull sides, I then worked the wash to fill in between the two lines, this I did for all the different views I had (both sides and front). I then filled in the gaps extrapolating their course from the areas of camoflage already done. when finished with one coat (about 10 minutes work) instant shaded camoflage. I am really pleased how it came out, specially considering I have further thin washes and weathering to apply.
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I have finished tonight by re-Undercoating all the accesories, tracks, exhaust and engine details in GW Black, whilst doing this I experimented on a few areas using a stong back wash, judicouslyapplied, around engine compartment, gun mantlet, to add shadow ond oily effects, like what is done so far, will do more but feel I need to be further down the process before continuing.
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I have more time to paint tomorrow, should hopefully finish tank Friday Afternoon.
Please offer your thoughts, criticism and advice. Thanks for looking.
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It's looking good. The lighter shade of green should hopefully darken with the washes and should look spot on when you're done. :)
Someone might be able to correct me on this, but as far as I'm aware, only 7 RTR had the Matilda II in France, they swapped some (6?) out to 4 RTR, who only had Matilda Is, but I'm guessing they retained 7 RTR markings.
4 RTR (http://www.sharbul.co.uk/4rtr/sellfolio.html)
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As promised work done to tank.
But feel prior to going any further, I should say that this project is not all about historical accuracy, so please dont tell me such and such a vehicle didn't fight with them, or a colour is not right, I would like to keep everything period specific but I am more interested in it looking right in my eyes respecting those childhood memories.
Sorry for some of photo's, colours a bit distorted will take better ones tomorrow
The Tracks and Other Metal Work
Drybrush with 14 Tan shade through to light
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Put a few steps together here as by now I am sure you are all getting the hang of it :D
Drybrush tracks with GW Bolt Gun Metal, whilst doing this I also painted the metal tools, and used a small brush to produce chipping marks in appropriate place. All the above were given a GW black wash.
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The details were then painted as follows,
Further GW Bolt Gun Metal highlights on tools.
I used a substantiously thinned down GW Black to out line hatches, and select details.
Number plate on rear right mudgaurd painted black and highlighted with home mixed greys (unfortunately a large part missing due to bubble, I am putting it down to battle damage.
Exhaust lagging basecoated 11A Rawhide shade.
Shovel Handle~13 Spearshaft shade through to light.
Inside of Hatches and Cupola basecoated 27C Storm Green light.
Spotlight Glass base coated 33A Artic Grey shade.
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When all paint thoroughly dry, everything apart from the Tracks given a worked wash of GW Devlan Mud.
(REPLACEMENT PHOTO'S ADDED).
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Will finish the tank later today (after some sleep), and either later on or on Saturday will paint the Tank Comander as well as the first of my Heroic Character figures, An elderly blustering General whose previous experience was in the Cavalry in WWI, and at the start of my campaign just can't quite seem to grasp the concept of commanding these metal monstrosities. Figure~ Artizan Designs PLP150 Tankie Bob http://www.artizandesigns.com/prod.php?prod=1707
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All my commanders (and my units) will be based individually, and I will be providing 60mm round bases with the appropriate number of penny size cut outs (16-17mm, will look for some plastic tubing, try plumbers supplies first as probaly be cheapest) which I will magnatize to accept the figures. I have remaining figures to compose the vignette for this Character, but need to wait til I order the Foundry paints I need.
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So far so good :)
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It's looking really good. The step by step report really helps too! I'm no expert, but it looks how I'd expect it to look at least. :)
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I have pretty much finished the Matilda Tank today, I am awaiting some decals then I can apply/paint the markings on, I am thinking of making this a command Tank, does anyone have pictures/ colourings of the flags used? (Thanks Jim lol).
Once this and the commander are done I will add mud and final weathering, (should make a little lighter), again sorry for the poor pictures, hopefully weather permitting will be able to find some better lighting soon.
Details painted:
Hatch/Interior~ high lighted from 27C Storm Green light, by progressively adding White followed by a thin wash of 27C
Exposed Exhaust~as per the tracks earlier on.
Asbestos Taped Exhaust~11 Rawhide from shade to light, with some mixing for between shades.
Wooden equipment handles as before.
The Red on the smoke launchers (and light above no.plate). 15A Bright Red shade, followed by GW Devlan mud wash painted in a line where cartridge ? joins tube, then highlighted up through 15 Bright Red
I am not happy with the headlight as surface to rough, will cut small piece of thin card to size and paint before inserting.
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I have started painting the Tank Commander and General, will post these on Tuesday hopefully as I have lots of family stuff over the next two days (reason for the delays in posting this).
In other news. The Osprey book, Modelling the Matilda Tank arrived today, excellent book, gave me lots of ideas for some of these final details as well as comfirming an idea I had for mud. I have also ordered the Somua S35 tank from AGN models (Photo's and links, once it arrives) and I am still awaiting my Crusader Figures. More good news in selling my Quar I think I have found the figure I need to finish off my Generals stand. Should have raised enough funds for Foundry paint (and a few suitable miniatures) by end of the week. Will spend rest of this week. Working on Forward Command Post and a 2' x 2' board (the first of a few) to display and photo completed models on, and once another 3 are made, to start gaming on.
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You've got me this time, I don't know about pennants and stuff. lol Other than this (http://airfixtributeforum.myfastforum.org/archive/the-mysteries-of-wwii-british-tank-pennants__o_t__t_18797.html).
Great looking model though and a very subtle camouflage scheme. :D
I gather that some commanders preferred to do their commanding from Vickers MkVI lights, which is probably why so many became casualties. Their 'assigned' vehicle would still carry its HQ markings, but command pennants would likely by transferred to their chosen vehicle.
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I have not forgotten this project but not posted as have made little progress due to illnessand the fact that I am awaiting the Foundry paints and the decals, both should be here tomorrow so will hopefully post more pics then. I have finished the tank commander and added the pennant.
A quick question:
Should I post seperate threads for each completed model/group of models or perhaps just one oter thread to post pics of the finished models. Thinking this as it would save people having to go through what I hope will eventually be a fairly long thread. (I will maintain this thread if for no other reason that until I set up a blog/website it will provide me with the reference for duplicating colour schemes)?
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I'd certainly prefer having it all in one place. Also, you don't risk different people asking the same questions repeatedly in various threads.
Love the Mathilda, BTW.
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I'm with Chris on this, one thread with everything in it, updated at your leisure. You can of course please yourself though. :)
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Yep...
Keep it in the same thread.
I find it very kewl to watch a project progress.
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OK one thread it is, no transfers in post today (theres always tomorrow), but the Foundry paints arrived so hopefully will post some more pictures tonight.
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very cool Stuff again :D I prefer the Foundry Paints aswell,the best Choice for historical correct Colours!
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Tank not quite finished but did take some pics:
Weathering
For the weathering I added basetex to build up mud, when dry, a wash of devlan mud on basetex, followed by progressive dry brushings of 11 Rawhide including a light dusting over rest of tank.
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I just need to add some shadows/wet areas around the mud and final touches.
I have almost finished my first character figure will have photo's of him as well.
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Nice.
One little suggestion. Most if not all BEF era AFVs and most softskins received a splodge of anti-gas paint on the hull, or in the case of softskins, typically the bonnet. This was usually a kidney shaped patch of the paint which was designed to react in the presence of certain gas types and act as the canary in the mineshaft. Colour was a yellowish green or a greenish yellow depending on your point of view. Hull front or trackguards seem to have bee typical locations with Matilda MkIIs.
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The illustrations I've seen show the anti-gas paint to be a square in France... as on the model. I thought they were white and went a sickly green in contact with gas. I know these were often daubed over with mud by the crew as they made an excellent aiming point for German gunners.
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I can't see any anti-gas paint on that model, although in the final shots there's no frontal view, so maybe it's already there.
The white square, correctly depicted on the side was a recognition marking and yes many of them were obliterated as they made a convenient aiming mark
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I meant the white squares which I thought were the anti-gas panels. I stand corrected. I was also surprised to discover that aircraft also had gas panels. :-I
I found this (sort of) reference...
Gas detector paint.
This paint was to be applied to an area on the front of vehicles and AFVs in order that the driver/ crew might see it immediately a gas attack occurred. It changed colour in the presence of Mustard Gas. This should be an area of approximately 18 x 18 inches, not regular in shape so as to blend in with any camouflage pattern applied. This was usually applied ahead of the driver on the bonnet top or on a tray specially fitted to forward control cabs. Against regulations, some senior staff cars sometimes had this in the form of a neat circle or square. Specified on motorcycles to be as a patch on top of the headlamp. On AFVs applied to the glacis plate or the rear surface of headlamps on the cruiser tanks.
from MAFVA (http://www.mafva.net/other%20pages/Starmer%20camo.htm)
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I've also seen examples of the anti gas splodge applied atop the turret as well as on the glacis and some on the inside of the trackguard. In most photos it's pretty hard to pick out.
The white recognition sqaures should also repeat on the vertical surface of the glacis, if you haven't already done so.
Sorry this is terribly arcane and very anoraky.
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At Long last I have finished the Matilda Tank, and A General Character, as stated before I am painting what looks right, not to be replicas of uniform and equipment down to badges and numbering, the name is non-existant, though does follow correct convention of starting with G. on reading about Gas paint earlier in thread thought I would add a square in front of driver, then read it is an irregullar patch, well sod it! I like the way it looks now so it is staying that way, I really like the way the grass tufts on mud have turned out, I had this idea at the begining but not sure if would like right, I then saw it used on a 1/35th model in the Osprey modelling guide I bought so decided to go ahead. The general took longer than I intended (must do troops quicker!) but I am really pleased with the result. Anyway heres the photo's decide for yourself (will get better photos later in daylight):
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Next I am creating the Crossfire base for him, as I stated earlier, all figures will slot in to movement bases for Crossfire, this how I do it, place figures on base, draw around each one so you have correct positioning, then hold figure in place whilst you fix a worm of Milliput around base, blend outer edges in base ensuring you get a good fix, finally and most importantly wiggle figure around to very slightly expand before carefuly removing figure. I allow one to dry before attempting the next to avind any damage. I will probaly use magnetic tape to ensure figures safety.
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Next Figures some British Infantry (20 figs)
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Well I'm impressed and it certainly looks the part too. 'Tankie Bob' is a nice addition and looks natural, rather than the overpainted figures you often see. Well done! :)
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A couple of better pics. Still not great will wait for a better day to take more.
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Started on the first of my 2 x 2 board and the ruined Forward Command Post.
On the base board I have glued the grass mating down for the fields, heed to add polyfilla for the roads (photo's tomorrow).
For the cottage I used a foam board available from Antenociti that has no card on outside. I started out by marking out important heights these are height to window bottoms 15mm, window tops 35mm, top of wall 45mm (all measurements from base of board).
I then drew out all the elements that make this building up.
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I then drew in the lints above the Door and windows and the window sills, by using a biro and pressing hard you leave an impression hopefully suitable for dry brushing. then the long slow and boring job of drawing out all the stonework ready for drybrushing.
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Tomorrow I cut out the panels and assemble.
Also today I based up the Foundry WW2 motorcyclist kindly donated by a member on Frothers, painted all the base flesh on the Bef British. More tomorrow.
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Just a quick photo of where I am upto with the board and Command post, will start painting tomorrow.
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lovely, i really like it!
but i suggest you to draw the rocks on the inside. or ar you plasterin it?
For the cottage I used a foam board available from Antenociti that has no card on outside.
can you tell me the exact name of this?
cause i should be really interested in this, but there are different brands of foam on the antenocity! :)
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Cottage to be plastered on the inside (that way I can add some colour).
When speahing to Jed he has refered to Foam Board, I suggest you send him an email, he is alway's very helpful.
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I have only just happened upon this thread, love what you've done. We've just had a baby so the painting table has been removed and the old back room full of paints and Airfix kits is now a nursery. How selfish of Baby. Anyhow, I'm living my painting dreams through you Elysium, please continue!
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I have only just happened upon this thread, love what you've done. We've just had a baby so the painting table has been removed and the old back room full of paints and Airfix kits is now a nursery. How selfish of Baby. Anyhow, I'm living my painting dreams through you Elysium, please continue!
This is exactly my reasoning behind this project, recreating all the models I had as a child I even spent £40.00 on a 1/48th
Classic Airframes Blenhem IV as the old Airfix one was probaly my first ever kit, after similarly priced CA Defiant, Fairey Battle, Anson and a couple of cheaper Hurricanes (This is a long term goal!) and then design a scenario for defending an Airfield.
I have a platoon of French as I used to have a lot of Heller Kits so I can get a few tanks and a regiment of Cavalry, would also like to build a limbered french Artillery peice.
The AGN Somua S35: http://www.agnminiatures.com/html/france.html arrived yesterday a beautiful little model compatable in size with the Bef Matilda, even though it has a resin base which I wasn't to keen on at first, but am now quite happy with. Will add pictures when I finish the dry brushing on the cottage.
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If you need any help with colour schemes, uniforms etc. just ask. I've got a wealth of material. My Grandfather was in the French army in 1940 so it's always been a favourite of mine. Keep up the great work!
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If you need any help with colour schemes, uniforms etc. just ask. I've got a wealth of material. My Grandfather was in the French army in 1940 so it's always been a favourite of mine. Keep up the great work!
Thanks for the kind offer, will probaly take you up on that when I get to painting the French.
At the moment I am still slogging on with the base board, and other scenery, should be finished tomorrow (taken longer than I anticipated~Always does :'() Then back to painting one squad of British and one of Germans, so at least then I can run a couple of skirmish games.