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Miniatures Adventure => The Conflicts that came in from the Cold => Topic started by: gamer Mac on November 19, 2010, 12:47:43 AM
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I have always had the notion for doing Vietnam skirmish games especially after seeing this post.
http://wargamessociety.wordpress.com/2009/02/02/vietnam-tet-offensive-1968/ (http://wargamessociety.wordpress.com/2009/02/02/vietnam-tet-offensive-1968/)
But I know very little about gaming in this period.
So a few questions for the people with more knowledge.
I have had a look for figures and I can’t find 28 mm ones I like for a decent price.
The nicest ones I could find were eureka but they seemed very expensive.
The Ebob ones look as if they are going to be very nice but not out yet?
Any nice ones I have missed?
Vehicles appear to be expensive in this scale as well and I would like to include some in my games. Helicopters are iconic for Vietnam so I would like some of them as well.
Where to get them?
I have been thinking about maybe 20 mm instead. Are there any nice figures out there? What would you suggest?
Same for 20 mm vehicles
And last but not least Rules
What do people use?
Which ones are best?
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Same with me always had a liking to do the period (its the only modern war I have ever been interested in.) I Even purchased some figures. :)
I have the Chiltern Miniatures large 28s. I think designed originally by Jim Bowen along with some hooches by Snapdragon.
I also have a box load of OOP 20mm Qualitycast figures as well as some 1/72 helicopters and a load of buildings.
If you are interested in taking them off my hands PM me.
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That series of photos rekindled my interest in Vietnam as well . :-*
I've made a start on my Vietnam project . So far I have done lots of trees and a platoon of US Infantry.
The US figures I have so far have come from (listed in order of favorites) TAG , FOA , Westwind and Baker Company. About a companys worth. I have a couple of sections of ARVN from FOA and some special forces which are a mix of FOA and Westwind.
The Vietnamese figures I have are from TAG and Westwind. Civillians are from Westwind and Baker Company.
I have a couple of Corgi M48's and a FOA M113 ACAV plus a Corgi T34/85 (Korea) with three T55's which were talked about here. I bought a Solido PT76 which I am not very pleased with so may not use. I also have a T34/85 from Hobby Boss which looks good in the box.
Helicopters so far are two Corgi Hueys , a Revell Huey , a Corgi AH1G plus a New Ray CH47 . I have a spotter also which needs to be backdated. Cant find it at the moment though. :?
The rules I have looked at are Buckle for your Dust and Charlie dont Surf . CDS will need a bit of modifying to suit 28mm.
I did think at one stage that I should have gone for 20mm figures but its too late now I guess.
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I bought a swath of 20mm stuff some years back.
Platoon 20 (bad quality), RAFM (good) a lot of S-somthing-S miniatures also (which was also good).
I think 20mm is the perfect scale for vietnam, as you can have a dropzone and a target point on the same table without it looking silly. lol
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Quelle coincidence, messieurs!
I'm currently re-launching my Vietnam project in 28mm. I've ordered about a platoon's worth of infantry, two APCs and an ACAV from Force of Arms last week (and am quite giddy when they will arrive; I got a pack of the infantry at Fiasco), and started work on a 1/48 Revell Huey chopper.
My verdict so far: The FOA figures are very solid, maybe a bit chunky for some people's taste, but I really like them; the faces are expressive, and at 1 Pound per figure the pricing is excellent. I had seen the vehicles at Fiasco, and those were very well done, too. I will probably get a platoon's worth of NVA and VC from Parkfield; they don't look too bad on photos, I had good experience with Parkfield, at 80 pence per figure, the investment won't be too great, and any possible size difference (probably slightly smaller) would be okay since I usually tend to go for a slightly caricatured approach for most of my stuff.
The Revell chopper is awful, though. I consider myself an accomplished modeller with 20+ years of experience, and I was cursing and sweating on this one. It does, however, look very good in size next to the figures, and since I will paint it fully (no interior, and painted windows), I could fill the massive gaps. Overall, though, I must advise against it - even the 8.50 I paid for it is massively expensive. I've seen some Revell AH-1G kits at a local toy store, but at 15 quid each, I don't really plan on getting those anytime soon (not excessive, but I don't know about their quality, and if it's anywhere near that of the Huey Hog, the price is inappropriate.
I certainly hope the 28mm will make me follow the project more thoroughly than with the 20mm approach I tried some years ago.
You will certainly have more choice, especially for the choppers and aircraft, in 20mm or 1/72nd. But the plastic kits are at times quite fiddly, although after that Zep madness, you should be able to sneer at it in contempt. lol
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I consider myself a bit of vietnam expert so I am required to chime in!
Anyway I have FoA, TAG, Baker Company, Eureka and Westwind figures plus I saw the parkfield ones in the "lead".
Now I will quote myself from a previous post with some additions:
Force of Arms range is limited. Only US Army and Main Force 9th Division at the time of Junction City. Yet the range is probably the best one around. Of course the EBOB one will be really interesting, but it will be even more limited.
Then we have TAG and Baker Company (sadly no Piccies with me... I promise for xmas pictures a plenty maybe even a full game!) TAG cerainly are better sculpted than Baker company, but Baker company variation is simply awesome and they are the only 28mm manufacturer that has real marines and ARVN (yes M14 marines too). So my best bet is Baker company. In the "lead" they are better than pictures and they have USMC with M14, the USMC uniforms are correct and different from Army. I like them. My USMC force is Baker, my 1st Cav is TAG and the mechanized boys are FoA.
I think the TAG VC are pretty bad. Do not like the weapons exxageration and the poses are straight from comic books. another thing is that I have meet some vietnamese people and the TAG VC do not seem to portray the real vietnamese an anatomy. Again they seems straight from a marvel comics... NVA on the other hand is better.
I have some westwind. uhm... plenty of variation, but the quality is hit or miss, nice peasant pack, there is no difference between Army and USMC and the montagnard pack is not 100% what I want. But I will say Westwind as average is not bad. I have some NVA from them and before seeing FoA VC I was thinking to get some of their VC for my Main Force platoon. Saw FoA and decided it was much better.
Saw Parkfield and I like some but not all of the poses. Some are a bit stiff for my tastes, but some are very good. The vehicles that are supposed to be out at Warfare also are on my buy list.
Then I have eureka australian and VC. I love the VC. The best VC I have, the anatomy is spot on. The woman looks like a woman (I have three Vietnamese female friends so I can compare lol ). Also the Aussies are pretty good. Better equipement than the poor one from TAG. The M60 is very well done. The down side is that they are a bit small. You cannot mix with TAG VC at all, but they do not seems out of place with Westwind, FoA and Baker.
I never use the ATF and the local VC from Eureka with other forces anyway.
Hope this help. Also I think that 20mm is not so perfect. It lacks the personality of 28mm (IMHO) even if the britannia range is pretty good and stuffed with all the vehicles you need. And it is not so compact to do real company operations for those I have 15mm.
Rules: I now use Charlie Do not surf from 15mm company actions and Ambush alley for 28mm smaller ones.
Arrigo "Blackhorse" Velicogna (my Vietnam gaming alias!)
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We played our Tour of 'Nam using FNG from Two Hour Wargames, it's a bloodbath of a game without seriously dense terrain, has various missions with your Hero growing in skill along the way, while his buddies are slaughtered by Charlie. Covers Choppers and other support nicely, Great fun game. I think there is a second edition coming soon.
http://www.angelfire.com/az3/twohourwargames/modern.htm
1/72 plastic figures from Italeri for the US, NVA and VC, as well as the Hueys, Cobras and Loach, with some M113s from Airfix and Villagers from East Riding Miniatures.
That new range from ebob is very tempting though. I'm just not sure I could start all over again in another scale with it, even if it is the one true scale. :)
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M113s from Airfix
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Airfix bought the ACAV and FSV from JB Models.
http://www.airfix.com/airfix-products/military-vehicles/military-transporters/a02323-m113-us-acav-176-a02323/?searchguid=20101119114040&resultspage=&sortorder=
http://www.airfix.com/airfix-products/military-vehicles/military-transporters/a02327-m113-fire-support-version-176-a02327/?searchguid=20101119114150&resultspage=&sortorder=
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That's them, the ACAV. :)
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Gaming the vietnam conflict is something that interests me also, especially as - at a push - I could double up some of my forest terrain.
The Ebob figures are beauties but I don't think my painting skills could give them the camo scheme they deserve so 20mm is an intriguing alternative.
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Thanks for the insights guys.
I have went with the FNG rule from two hour wargames just ordered them in PDF.
Still not decided on figure scale. 28 mm normally have more character than 20 mm but I can't find any figures that I like in 28 mm.
I am starting to lean towards 20 mm as there seems to be more choice in both figures and vehicles and if niether scale has really good figures I would be as well going with the cheaper option!
Has anybody got any good photos of FOA figures.
or any other inspirational photos
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Thanks for the insights guys.
I have went with the FNG rule from two hour wargames just ordered them in PDF.
Still not decided on figure scale. 28 mm normally have more character than 20 mm but I can't find any figures that I like in 28 mm.
I am starting to lean towards 20 mm as there seems to be more choice in both figures and vehicles and if niether scale has really good figures I would be as well going with the cheaper option!
Has anybody got any good photos of FOA figures.
or any other inspirational photos
I've painted six of them (the pack I got at Fiasco) and will upload a pic later this afternoon, if you can wait for that long. Painted up very nicely, and just the right amount of detail, crispness and heft for my taste.
Also, you can find pictures of much of the range here:
http://www.greathallminis.com/Vietnam/viet_inf_foa.htm
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I use TAG and Corgi die cast vehicles with Crossfire rules.
These may or may not be inspirational photos...
(http://webzoom.freewebs.com/matakishi/US%20large%20group%20project%20600.jpg)
(http://www.matakishi.com/Vietnam%20village%206%20600.jpg)
(http://www.matakishi.com/Vietnam%20village%209%20600.jpg)
(http://www.matakishi.com/Helicopter%203.jpg)
(http://www.matakishi.com/VC%20large%20group%202.jpg)
http://www.matakishi.com/vietnam19651973.htm
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great photos Paul
Thanks
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Hi, here's the promised pic of the Force of Arms US infantry - it's the JNC03 "Troopers Firing" pack.
(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/Christian_S_1979/Modelling%20and%20Miniatures/Vietnam%20Projects/VN_US_GIs_01.jpg)
My only nitpick would be that from some angles, the feet look a bit small. But apart from that, I really like the style and size of the minis.
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I played a really fun Vietnam game last week. Only used a few dozen figures in total and it looked great with all the jungle terrain. Not a period I had much interest in before but my opinion has changed now. Unfortunately I didn't get any pics though.
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There is a lot of 20mm-Stuff, but only 28mm is true Metal and 40mm is Heavy Metal...
The Westwind-Stuff is ok, bought them severel years ago. The only problem for me is to find good palmtrees...
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Guys, you can find lots of helpful info over here: http://fieldsoffireonline.freeforums.org/index.php
BTW, lots of great pics in this thread. Feel free to share them over at FOF.
-Todd
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LINK
http://www.rhmodels.com/34.html
Had some of the VC figs...very robust 20mm,chunky but still proportional...long lasting...didn't buy the USMC but if you ask nicely I am sure Rolf would send you a sample or 2 for nowt,
Nice guy
Good value
Worth considering
Cheers
Kev
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Thanks guys.
Very nice links.
Anybody got any pictures of rhmodels figures?
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Thanks guys.
Very nice links.
Anybody got any pictures of rhmodels figures?
This guy does lots of pictures of Liberation stuff
http://www.twins4ever.dk/cougarscorner/index.php?/forum/25-liberation-miniatures-rh-models/
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I have decided to go with 20 mm. I am waiting on a delivery for some metal fig's later in the week.
In the mean time I bought some plastic figures to try out the rules and painting.
So here is my first attempt.
Any hints or tips would be great. Down right slagging I suppose there is nothing I can do if you want to :'(
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/7/1912_23_11_10_12_14_56_0.JPG)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/7/1912_23_11_10_12_14_56_1.JPG)
Is it too dark?
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I used to play vietnam in 6mm many moons ago... it used to allow me pretty "large" games in as much as I would have six hueys bussing in the troops with a couple of cobras and a cayuse whizzing around in support, or a dozen m113's tearing down a road and on a regular dining table with no probs at all. Worth considering I think... scratchbuilding is easy, and knowing your skills you'd be knocking out whole towns or jungles in no time at all. It's also very cheap, very easy to transport, and takes little room to store. Worth considering?
A few links;
http://6milphil.wordpress.com/2009/04/10/charlie-dont-scratchbuild/
http://angelbarracks.forumup.com/viewtopic.php?t=91&mforum=angelbarracks
http://www.timecastmodels.co.uk/range_28/range_28.html
http://picasaweb.google.com/scannablegoose/6mmAK47Republic#5231002010977473266
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Is it too dark?
I think it's nice. I have a lot of those plastics and I have to warn you that they're not 20mm. lol
More like 22 from foot to eye. But when the music's playing and all...
What I did in some cases was to touch up with a bit of bone colour to make the uniform look used and worn in places. I mean - you can't go through the jungle without it showing.
The US uniform had a tendency to loose it's colour rather quickly I think also making it look lighter green.
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That colour palette works for me Colin, As The Viking says it could be lighter here and there, but overall it loooks pretty damn good to me. :)
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Been wanting to game Nam for a long time but could not find rules I liked or a range of figures that did everything I wanted , But the Ambush Valley system from Ambush Alley games is fantastic ,the campaign rules won me over and for figures I went down fron 28mm to 20mm mainly Britannia with a few liberation ,vehicles mainly Britannia with a few plastic kits .
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Been wanting to game Nam for a long time but could not find rules I liked or a range of figures that did everything I wanted , But the Ambush Valley system from Ambush Alley games is fantastic ,the campaign rules won me over and for figures I went down fron 28mm to 20mm mainly Britannia with a few liberation ,vehicles mainly Britannia with a few plastic kits .
talking about britannia, what do there SF Green berets look like?
I am trying to make a LRRP team and eventually make a platoon along the lines of the 101st recondo platoons.
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Nice work with those old Esci figures, they still hold up pretty well. One tip. the helmet cover wasn't green, it was a camouflage pattern, nominally two sided but invariably only the leaf pattern side was displayed.
http://www.123rf.com/photo_5783284_a-us-military-helmet-with-an-m1-mitchell-pattern-camouflage-cover-from-the-vietnam-war-with-six-roun.html
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Oh and the peace button wasn't standard issue ether lol
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talking about britannia, what do there SF Green berets look like?
I am trying to make a LRRP team and eventually make a platoon along the lines of the 101st recondo platoons.
I will dig them out and and post a pic ,off top of my head , they are a mix of berets and bush hats maybe 1 bareheaded /. will get back on that.
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Thanks, I might have to do a few head swaps maby from the ANZAC range but thats not a problem
I just would like to see what I am working with :D
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Haven’t shown any pictures for a while. Struggling to paint 20 mm well enough to show people.
While I was waiting on I my “Nam in a box” from Malamute I have been fixing up some of my old WWII scenery to make a firebase to use on a Nam table.
Fire base so far
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/7/1912_04_12_10_8_35_26_1.JPG)
Nam table so far
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/7/1912_04_12_10_8_35_26_0.JPG)
With some of the huts (not painted yet) I have received from Malamute.
The one new thing I have built is the guard tower
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/7/1912_04_12_10_8_35_26_2.JPG)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/7/1912_04_12_10_8_35_26_3.JPG)
Made out of various bits of balsa wood and coffee stirrers and some two part putty stuff I had for the sand bags.
The sand bags at the bottom are old bits than can be put in place or left off.
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Be painting infantry and this is the first one I am happy with.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/7/1912_05_12_10_12_29_01_0.JPG)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/7/1912_05_12_10_12_29_02_1.JPG)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/7/1912_05_12_10_12_29_02_2.JPG)
What do you think?
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I will dig them out and and post a pic ,off top of my head , they are a mix of berets and bush hats maybe 1 bareheaded /. will get back on that.
Here ya go... Britannia Green Berets
(http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss205/BigP_from_the_GMG/20mm%20Vietnam/0000USARMYFINAL005.jpg)
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Nice tower. Is that the entry for next years 'Build Something Contest'?
Are you planning to stain the wood a darker colour or is that the finished product? You could make the joints a wee bit more shaded.
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Here ya go... Britannia Green Berets
(http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss205/BigP_from_the_GMG/20mm%20Vietnam/0000USARMYFINAL005.jpg)
Thanks! They are just what I was looking for. :D
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Looking good G'Mac!
I might say that a touch of the weathering wouldn't hurt. To me the tower seems a bit "factory fresh". lol
Still very nice!
Have you settled on a rule set?
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I have got FNG seem to be just the sort of game I am after. More of a scirmish game with individual characters. Still learning the rules though not had a game yet. I also have the unconventional warfare (FNG-UW) supplement as well.
I will try weathering the tower a bit more.
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Great stuff, I like the tower and the board is already taking shape. Very much looking forward to seeing the games in due course. :)
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First squad of ‘A’ company, 1 Bn. 16th Infantry leave their fire base on their first patrol.
Covered by the squads M60 gun team.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/7/1912_08_12_10_7_18_48_0.JPG)
This is only half the squad, still to finish the other members, on my workbench.
Just noticed that I have never put any static grass on the bases.
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Hey Colin, looking good. I can only imagine that 20mm miniatures are a nightmare to paint.
I'm surprised that they don't have icicles on the barrels of their guns; it must be bloody freezing in your garage!
Cheers
Andy
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20 mm is not that bad. I don't go for the same level of painting.
I also rely on the 2' rule a lot more
This lot were brought indoors for painting. They are the ones I dropped in the snow the other day.
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looking good Colin. You have acheived more in a week than I achieved in the ten or so years I had the figures. lol Although thinking about it I did manage to paint one( didnt finish his sandals though) VC lol lol
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Parkfield Miniatures have an expanding range of 28mm (around 1/60 scale) figures including, now, a couple of M113's
http://parkfieldminiatures.freeservers.com/28MM%20VIETNAM%20WAR.htm (http://parkfieldminiatures.freeservers.com/28MM%20VIETNAM%20WAR.htm)
http://unicornsculpting.blogspot.com/ (http://unicornsculpting.blogspot.com/)
http://dannyboy1989.blogspot.com/2010/11/big-joe-part-2.html (http://dannyboy1989.blogspot.com/2010/11/big-joe-part-2.html)
At present the figures are 80p each and we are working on a set of 'modern' rules based around squads and fireteams which should be ready early next year.
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Small update of what I have been up to.
VC Supply base
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/7/1912_08_01_11_2_45_01_1.JPG)
Done a few more bits and pieces. Still to get them finished and pictures taken though.
Rice paddies were done but one started to warp after a couple of days drying. Trying painting the varnish on the bottom to see if it brings it back straigh again.
Been building more jungle as well, in the back ground of the above pic
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lookin' good. ;D
Where's Charlie ???
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Where's Charlie ???
Hiding in the elaborate system of tunnels Colin is going to build ;)
Great stuff so far.
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Not painted too many yet just one small squad.
Not my best work either!
They are very small :?
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/7/1912_08_01_11_6_53_31.JPG)
Hard to get a good photo as well.
One of my paddy fields as well in the photo.
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There's Charlie :D
Most excellent, loving the paddy field :-*
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They look great to me! Keep up the good work, I will be stealing ideas for my viet-nam project when I finaly get around to it. :D
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Gamer Mac,
What did you use for the "bamboo" for the pig pen? plastic straws? Thanks
LB
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looking good Colin,
When are we getting to play it?
I've got a packet of Light Green Field grass, which arrived today in my Antenociti order, and I really doubt that I'm going to use it all. I can pass you some on Wednesday if you want? Its not neon green but I have found a few pictures of paddy fields that are a similar colour
(http://www.antenocitisworkshop.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/small_image/187x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/F/G/FG173_-_Field_Grass_-_Light_Green_8_gr._.jpg)
(http://www.allcountries.eu/PICTURE/vietnam/WorkerPaddyField.jpg)
(http://blogs.dfid.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/typical-paddy-field.jpg)
Things are progressing nicely. Have you decided on a rule set?
Cheers
Andy
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Gamer Mac,
What did you use for the "bamboo" for the pig pen? plastic straws? Thanks
LB
I used some small bamboo sticks from a garden wind thingy that we got as a present once. A load of crap but the sticks are great for building stuff. Similar to bamboo kabab skewers. Tied together with some thread.
Some more pics
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/7/1912_08_01_11_2_45_01_2.JPG)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/7/1912_08_01_11_2_45_01_3.JPG)
Used them to build a bamboo forest as well. In this pic.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/7/1912_09_01_11_1_43_31.JPG)
Andy any donations welcome.
Its ready for a very small trial game when ever you are!
Just to try out the rules, FNG from Two hour wargames.
Roughly 10 figure each side.
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I really like the pigsty, did you varnish it? because the ground looks horribly wet and sloppy, exactly what our looking for! What did you use for the corrugated iron? It doesn't look like corrugated cardboard.
As for a game, I'm back to work tomorrow (feeling better) so pretty much any time. I'm free next Saturday?
Cheers
Andy
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The mud is just a coat of GW Ink over the normal cover. The corrugated iron is plastic sheet stuff, good when you want to see both sides or the thickness.
Will let you know about next Saturday, but sounds good.
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Very nice. It will be a rich table. :)
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Damn, bamboo to represent bamboo, who would have thunk it? lol lol Looks good, now I have to find some of my own or just trim some from a bamboo grove out here ;)
LB
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Looks good guys,
We're off to the Nam tonight using the FUBAR rules, then back again in a couple of weeks to playtest a set for someone.
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Not great photos but this is my first finished local VC squad.
7 man squad including and RPG 2 and a DP LMG. For those of you who can count there are nine figures. I have the LMG crew walking and deployed.
The faces are horrible so don’t look too closely. Not all my fault, some of the sculpted faces are really weird. Apart from that really nice figures with good poses, weapons and details
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/7/1912_11_01_11_3_14_03_0.JPG)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/7/1912_11_01_11_3_14_03_1.JPG)
I have a second squad nearly finished on my painting table as well.
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They are looking really good. :)
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Another local VC squad
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/7/1912_12_01_11_3_10_15.JPG)
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Like 'em alot :-*
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Seen 'em in the flesh last night. They look great!
I'm impressed with Colin's whole layout!
Cheers
Andy
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First full US infantry squad now complete
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/7/1912_14_01_11_2_05_22_0.JPG)
And some downed helicopter crew men
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/7/1912_14_01_11_2_05_22_1.JPG)
Tried to do some designs on the helmets
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/7/1912_14_01_11_2_05_22_2.JPG)
Sorry not great photos but it’s late
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They look great dude. :D
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Played our first game of Vietnam using the FNG rules.
The story is –
The crew from a crashed helicopter are holed up in a village waiting on a rescue mission. The weather is crap so they have to wait on foot sloggers getting to them.
The crew are in the far away hut
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/7/1912_16_01_11_11_34_54_0.JPG)
The rescue squad will enter by the road at the bottom of the picture, The VC will enter at random locations around the board.
This is our first try at these rules and we struggled a bit with some of the concepts.
We didn’t really grasp how quickly a group could move or that some groups wouldn’t activate at all in a turn.
After two rounds half the American infantry squad had run right up the board to the helicopter crew.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/7/1912_16_01_11_11_38_34_2.JPG)
The other half of the squad had set up a covering position on the highest point next to the road.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/7/1912_16_01_11_11_34_55_1.JPG)
Because of the activation dice score for the first two turns the VC never got to even come on to the board,
Eventually the VC arrive and then get some good rolls for starting locations.
First group arrive right at the rescue group.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/7/1912_16_01_11_11_34_55_3.JPG)
Second group arrives at the bottom of the hill.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/7/1912_16_01_11_11_34_55_4.JPG)
Third group including the VC leader arrives at the back of the village.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/7/1912_16_01_11_11_38_34_0.JPG)
And the LMG group sets up to aim into the village from the top of the board.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/7/1912_16_01_11_11_38_34_1.JPG)
Post some more tomorrow
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Thats brilliant Colin. :-*
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The insight rules are a bit strange still not got the hang of them.
The VC that arrived next to the rescue were gunned down pretty quickly by the helo crew.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/7/1912_16_01_11_11_34_55_2.JPG)
The rescue party then started moving towards the extract point but not before shooting up the VC leaders group.
Mean while back at the hill the fire fight is getting nasty.
The M60 team seem to have to spend a long time setting up before they can fire. Insight checks failed again on both sides had a lot of people just had to stand around doing nothing.
The M79 grenade launcher firing buck shot rounds peppered the cover the VC were hiding behind and killed or wounded two of the VC.
The highest rep VC was the RPG gunner who after being fired at decided to hunker down and wouldn’t shoot and it was left to a single rifleman. Who did manage quite well and put down a couple of the US infantry squad
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/7/1912_16_01_11_11_38_34_4.JPG)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/7/1912_16_01_11_11_46_20_3.JPG)
Mean while as this fight went on the helo crew and the other infantry group started heading back to the exit point. Again the quick movement shocked me and the game was nearly over before the VC could really get into it. Luckily not all of the helo crew made it off the board and the VC managed to pick one off just before they fled the field.
Crew nearly there
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/7/1912_16_01_11_11_46_20_1.JPG)
VC follow up
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/7/1912_16_01_11_11_46_20_2.JPG)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/7/1912_16_01_11_11_46_20_4.JPG)
The Infantry on the hill managed to kill the RPG gunner because he had to move into the open when he discovered he was too close to fire the RPG.
They then picked up their dead and wounded and also fled the field.
End results were
Helo crew – One dead
US Infantry squad – One dead and one wounded
VC squad 1 – One dead and two wounded
VC squad 2 – Two dead and one wounded
Well for a first game I enjoyed it. The rules were a bit of a struggle with some different concepts to other rules I have played games with. Once you know the rules I imagine it could be quite a quick game. For us we spent more time trying to find relevant rules for situations. The rules are not laid out great a lot of time one section of the rules says to carry out a certain test but then the explanation of the test is in a totally different bit of the book. There is a second edition of the rules coming out so that may be cleared up.
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Amazing project, Mac! Great looking table!
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I agree with Colin's account... not a common occurrence lol An overwhelming victory for the yanks, who to be fair out-gunned out-maneuvered and out-manned the VC. Plus the VC had some very poor luck with their activation rolls.
FNG seems like it is a good little system, although I think we still need to get our head around a few of the concepts. Plus reading the rules an hour before I was supposed to play them probably didn't help! A re-read is in order I think.
I'll leave you with some additional pictures of the action.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/7/2367_16_01_11_11_08_32_0.JPG)
^The set up
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/7/2367_16_01_11_11_08_32_2.JPG)
^'Rescuing' the chopper crew
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/7/2367_16_01_11_11_08_33_4.JPG)
^M-60 in position
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/7/2367_16_01_11_11_10_27_1.JPG)
^Hand bags at dawn!
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Looking good... all the VC/NVA need now is a giant airship.
The ebob range out yet?
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Great looking game! Most of my THW experience is with All Things Zombies 1.0 and 2.0, the 5150 series, and Nuts! 2.0. The In-Sight rules for the old style THW games like FNG are a bit confusing to get around (which I’ve used for ATZ 1.0). The new style (See CR 3.0) limits the test to those that are not active. As an interim, I’d suggest using the tables from CR 3.0 where you can, as I think it will help simplify the game.
As a note, people get confused (we have) on how to apply the Out-Gunned Rating. The OGR is applied to the individual target only, not the entire group. This does allow the group to react where the specific target is forced to ”duck back”.
Overall, I have enjoyed THW’s products and the uncertainty it brings, similar to Two Fat Lardies. Once you get the concepts and how things play out, it is a load of fun.
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Gamer Mac, Faustnik did a similar pig pen here: http://fieldsoffireonline.freeforums.org/pigs-pen-t1355.html same scale too. Wonder who had the idea first? ::)
-Todd
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I knew I had seem a picture of one somewhere before.
So I must admit to stealing the idea :D
Looks like he had his finished well before I even started Nam gaming.
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Many years ago in a 'Nam game one of the US players managed to destroy the village pig pen with an M79 Blooper. His nick-name for some time after was "Pig-pen". :D
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Thought I would keep this on one thread.
Just a few photos to show how I made the bikes for my Ho chi min photo
The bike are from the Airfix jungle out post set. With a few bits of plastic rod to represent the bamboo. The load on the bikes were made with bits from my bits box, mainly with a storage set from Frontline. The figure pushing the bike is a civilian from an oxen plough from Qualitycast.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/8/1912_06_05_11_10_40_09_0.JPG)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/8/1912_06_05_11_10_40_09_1.JPG)
The truck is an old model again from frontline. Nice and cheap wargames models. The camouflage is made from more plastic rod and some plasters web.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/8/1912_06_05_11_10_40_10_2.JPG)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/8/1912_06_05_11_10_40_10_3.JPG)
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Wow Gamer mac nice work indeed. Talk about being commited to Nam excellence. :o
-Todd
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very very tidy job Mr Mac
8)
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And you Akula, also seem to be of the same lineage when it comes to be committed to Nam excellence yourself. :D
Though... in hindsight I should be telling you this over at FOF and not hijacking GM's thread.
-Todd
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Very nice!!
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Great stuff Colin, The collection is looking really good now. I like the additions of the bikes etc. ;D
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Just for completeness I thought I would some the progress of my Nam project.
I used all the stuff in these pictures in my round 10 entry for the LPL.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=29287.0;attach=3872;image)
For the entry I built the bridge and island, two Airfix jungle outpost kits and a school house. The river parts were old beach sections that I made years ago that needed a lot of care and attention. I had to replace the old water sections with new bits of wood which I painted and varnished. The beach and the rest of the boards were fully repainted as well.
For the rest of the scene I built and painted four helicopters, two Huey B’s, 1 Huey C gunship and a Loach. The kits don’t come with any crew figures, so I had to paint 12 lead figures. Mostly Qualitycast ones I got from Malamute but the two crew for the Loach are from SHQ, as the Qualitycast ones would not fit very well.
Sorry for the number of photos.
Huey B cabin
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/8/1912_24_05_11_12_31_11_0.JPG)
Huey B crew
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/8/1912_24_05_11_12_31_12_1.JPG)
In position
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/8/1912_24_05_11_12_31_12_2.JPG)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/8/1912_24_05_11_12_31_12_3.JPG)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/8/1912_24_05_11_12_31_12_4.JPG)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/8/1912_24_05_11_12_33_43_0.JPG)
More crew
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/8/1912_24_05_11_12_33_43_3.JPG)
Built some stands out of hardboard and dowel
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/8/1912_24_05_11_12_33_44_4.JPG)
Loach crew
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/8/1912_24_05_11_12_41_36_3.JPG)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/8/1912_24_05_11_12_41_36_4.JPG)
Loach is a horrible wee kit to make
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/8/1912_24_05_11_12_41_36_0.JPG)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/8/1912_24_05_11_12_41_36_1.JPG)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/8/1912_24_05_11_12_41_36_2.JPG)
Finished Loach
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/8/1912_24_05_11_12_47_46_0.JPG)
Huey C cabin
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/8/1912_24_05_11_12_47_47_1.JPG)
Second Huey B cabin
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/8/1912_24_05_11_12_47_47_3.JPG)
Glued an extra tube into the Helo to use to mount it.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/8/1912_24_05_11_12_47_47_4.JPG)
Painting the crew
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/8/1912_24_05_11_12_50_23_0.JPG)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/8/1912_24_05_11_12_50_23_1.JPG)
Two finished B’s
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/8/1912_24_05_11_12_50_24_2.JPG)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/8/1912_24_05_11_12_50_24_3.JPG)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/8/1912_24_05_11_12_50_24_4.JPG)
Finished C
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/8/1912_24_05_11_12_52_33_0.JPG)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/8/1912_24_05_11_12_52_33_1.JPG)
I struggled to get it all into one picture in the LPL and was slaughtered.
Didn’t do very well at all. :'(
Comments or criticisms welcome
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Well I voted for you.
Really like the work you've done on the choppers... you're far from being an Namateur. :o
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Likewise, I think it is great work and inspirational.
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Wonderful additions to your collection!
I really like the helmet designs lol
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Well for the record I think it's bloody marvelouus! Well done sir.
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Bloody Brilliant! ;D
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Fantastic work Colin!! :o :o It's a shame your LPL pictures didn't show all the work you invested in round ten!
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Agree with all of the above! Outstanding!!
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:-*
Very interesting watching the project come alone.
You've done a great job!
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Looks great to me.
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Very cool, and ceratinly inspiring. What scale is the heli?
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Very cool, and ceratinly inspiring. What scale is the heli?
The helicopters are all 20 mm / 1/72 scale.