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Miniatures Adventure => Colonial Adventures => Topic started by: Happy Wanderer on November 25, 2010, 11:29:42 AM
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Gents,
I am looking to use some Perry Miniatures figures for my Indian Mutiny project to filla few gaps and inject variety.
Does anyone know if the Perry figures from their Carlist War Isabelino range would match height and ‘weight’ wise. I know the Foundry Perry figures are quite small and I consider them not a match for the Mutineer minis.
Any pics or thoughts on this would be appreciated.
Regards
Happy Wanderer
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Quick answer: Mutineer are a tad bulkier than the slender Perry figures. Not enough to bother me, but then again, I'm not easily bothered by such things. I don't think height is much of an issue. The Perrys aren't really short, just less hefty than other ranges.
If you can wait until I'm on my lunch hour I can post you a comparison shot.
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Thanks Plynkes,
I can indeed wait.
A comparison shot would be grand.
Regards
HappyW
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(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/7/163_25_11_10_2_38_16_0.jpg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/7/163_25_11_10_2_38_16_1.jpg)
Two pics, each with a Mutineer officer flanked by two Perry Carlist War figures. The Perrys look shorter but note they are in a slightly crouched running pose. Unfortunately I don't have any more comparable poses to hand. My unpainted figures are packed away somewhere and all my painted Perrys are in this pose.
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Lovely painting. 8)
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I know the Foundry Perry figures are quite small and I consider them not a match for the Mutineer minis.
If you don't think the foundry are a match you won't think the Perrys are either.
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I think the key is to put them in separate units and you'll be ok. I don't think they mix well. I had been hoping to combine some of the Mutineer and Foundry stuff, but they are way, way off scale. Mike just has a chunkier style than the Perry twins. If you are desparate, you can always prop up one of the Perry figs a little on the base vertically so at least their heads are roughly level.
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The Foundry Mutiny figures and the Perry Carlist War ones aren't the same size. Both have less 'heft' than Mutineer but the Foundry ones are also noticeably shorter.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/6/163_30_06_10_3_16_56_0.jpg)
On the subject of Foundry, the figure on the right is from the Foundry Mutiny range, next to our Mutineer friends. His base has been built up a bit to hide the size discrepancy. I think I just about got away with it, but it is as always a matter of personal taste.
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Thanks Plynkes,
That is extremely helpful. I am thinking that maybe the artillery crew from the Carlist War range could do for Royzal Artillery... thoughts?
http://www.perry-miniatures.com/index2.html
http://www.perry-miniatures.com/index2.html
Now, that's some damn nice painting! Are these figures from your Indian Mutiny project? They look quite good.
What is the white color combination you are using - is it the Foundry White triad?
If so, I'm looking for some civilians to get an eclectic Victoriana look in India do you have any suggestions on figures?
...damn, they are great paint jobs! I would love to see more of this stuff...very inspiring! ;)
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Actually, apart from the Foundry Richard Burton (left, on the above picture), none of those figures are being used as intended. Much as I like the Mutineer range I've sort of got too much other stuff already started to be getting into the Mutiny right now.
The Mutiny figures are meant to be 1850s British officers from the British and Indian Army (and the Bombay Marine), on leave and joining Burton for a spot of African exploring: the interior of Somalia to be precise. I decided to depict one fellow as wearing his uniform, as they did that in the film version of the events concerned (The Mountains of the Moon).
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/back%20to%20africa/BurtonandSpekeinTrouble.jpg)
The Perry Carlist War figures are for another game and will be playing the 72nd Highlanders on the Cape Frontier in 1835. This will be a small skirmish game also involving a young Alan Quatermain, a beautiful Boer damsel, a drunken Frenchman and a few (justifiably) angry Xhosa warriors. The Highlanders shall be in the role of US Cavalry, i.e. arriving (hopefully) in the nick of time to rescue the doomed white folk from the irate savages.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/back%20to%20africa/72ndFoot.jpg)
As to the artillery, do you mean the BAL Royal Marine Artillery? (the Perry website is a bit funny, when you link to it it sends you to the main page rather than the bit you were actually on) I'm not all that clued up on the ins and outs of Mutiny uniforms. They would work I think, though I might be inclined to make some greenstuff havelocks to go over their caps, maybe? For that Mutiny flavour, if for no other reason.
I haven't really got into the whole triads concept yet, though it seems like a good idea for a lazy boy like me. The whites are mostly just made with bog-standard GW white and a bit of one of their greys (don't really matter which one). The white equipment belts on the Highlanders however had something else as their base. I think maybe Coat d'Arms Linen, highlighted with linen+white. The Somali whites on this post have some sort of dark wash (Devlan Mud? I forget) carefully run just into the folds of their robes in places, just to dirty them up a bit.
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absolutely stunning paint job
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absolutely stunning paint job
What he said. All look good together to me and just excellent painting. :)
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Hi Wanderer...
Problem is I just don't see any Carlist figures that are anything even like Indian Mutiny - uniforms wise. I'd say just buy Mutineer figs and go to town painting!
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Plynkes,
Superb and even more inspiring!
Thank you very much for that info. I was referring to the Perry BAL Royal Marine Artillery. Shell Jackets and Peaked caps. I wanted a more regular recently arrived off the boat look to a unit or two and these look like possible candidates.
Sepoy (Scott) I have a very large quantity of Mutineer lead and am most pleased with it! Whilst there is code "EIC09 Marching British regulation dress", I was looking for a more 'action pose' pack as I prefer a more animated look. Without knowing it Sepoy1857 YOU are the one that tipped me over the edge to buy lead for the Mutiny and a couple of others have joined me which has resulted in a few other solid orders for our friend Brian The Mutineer!
I have in fact been working on a TFL variant utilising your most excellent army lists from a previous summer special...Rich and I are working on something that will hopefully increase the visibility of the Indian Mutiny and with luck result in increased volume of Mutineer miniatures sales to push this range along and establish it as the preeminent Mutiny figures to use. Off course all other figure types are welcome but my primary choice are Mr Owen’s Mutiny sculpts!
Great work guys.
Regards
Happy W
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Lovely paint jobs Plynkes, especially the 72nd for the Cape wars 8)
www.gallopingmajorwargames.com
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"Rich and I are working on something that will hopefully increase the visibility of the Indian Mutiny "
- Sounds promising! I would love to see something for The Mutiny akin to the campaign packs that have been done for the ACW.
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Wanderer,
Sorry...looks like I got you into some trouble LOL. Glad you are enjoying the period. Trouble is almost every regiment wore something different. I agree on the action poses...not a real big fan of the marching pose myself. I think packs with all advancing or all firing/loading/skirmishing would be better.
Best Regards,
Scott
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Plynkes,
Would you be able to give us a quick brief on how you took these pics?
Are they in a photo booth or using natural light. They are particularly nice photos of very nice figures.
I have mixed success with photos but you seem to get it right first time every time.
Any tips would be appreciated.
Regards
Happy
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No, not first time every time! I usually have to take about six at least to get a good one. But it used to be a much higher ratio. Practice makes perfect. :)
I don't use a booth or a light box or anything like that. I just use whatever ambient light is available. Sometimes that's sunlight, sometimes it's the room light. I've nothing against building a fancy light set-up, lots of folks get great results doing that. But I'm lazy and couldn't be bothered with all that so I found another way. You need a camera that's clever enough to do the hard work for you, though. That is the downside.
I stumbled across my chosen method by accident, when I was looking for a way to take group shots. When trying to do this I always found the camera would just focus on one or two figures, and the rest would always be out of focus. So I read the camera manual (had never bothered with that before! ::)) and discovered a setting called AV (Aperture Value). With this mode you decide how much of the frame you want to be in focus by adjusting the numerical aperture value (from just a single figure right up to every single damn thing in view). Taking into account the available light level the camera calculates the exposure time required to get everything in focus, and then Bob's your uncle.
The big bonus here is that because the camera automatically adjusts the exposure time to account for available light, you can get pretty good shots regardless of light levels. So no need for a fancy light rig! :) You can take photos that come out okay in almost total darkness this way, but the exposure time can run up to several minutes if you do this. Because even with good light the exposure time is longer than normal, you have to use a tripod or other method of steadying the camera, or you'll just get a blurry mess. Even just clicking on the button can ruin a shot, so using a remote or timer is a good idea.
Another thing you need to do is figure out how to set a custom White Balance for whatever light you are using, otherwise the photos will come out all yellowy if under artificial light. Oh, make sure the flash is switched off, too. Flash is the enemy of nice figure piccies!
This method isn't too fond of a white background however. Those shots usually come out a bit dull and dark...
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/Unadjusted.jpg)
So I cheat with those. About ten seconds in a graphics package gives us this instead...
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/7/163_25_11_10_2_38_16_0.jpg)
But the ones with a backdrop haven't been messed with in this way. The photo of the Highlanders in front of the hut was taken with sunlight streaming through the windows on to the table. That's why it looks a bit different. You can never quite tell how it's going to come out with sunlight. Sometimes you get a nice effect, sometimes you don't. That's why I usually use the room light with the curtains drawn, as it is more consistent, if not always as spectacular. That's about it, really. Sometimes I sharpen the shots up a bit too while I'm resizing them, if I think it would help, but not always. So obviously, the Plynkes method requires a camera with an AV setting, the ability to set a custom white balance, and to make things a bit easier a tripod. So I guess it isn't for everyone.
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Thanks for that info Plynkes..very illuminating!
Sadly, my camera does not have that AV feature but I shall persist!
Regards
HappyW