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Title: Vintage Citadel Undead Army [PICS] [PIC HVY]
Post by: Pil on December 30, 2010, 02:06:22 PM
You didn't think I was done did you?

I posted some pictures of my undead army before:
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=23652.0

But I painted lots more and decided to do new pictures of the whole bunch.

(http://members.multimania.nl/Pil3/Miniatures/Undead/undead01.JPG)
The entire army in full moon light.

(http://members.multimania.nl/Pil3/Miniatures/Undead/undead02.JPG)
An overview of the army in normal light.

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Finrum, the Liche Lord responsible for raiding the entire army, and his son, together in eternity.

(http://members.multimania.nl/Pil3/Miniatures/Undead/undead04.JPG)
Another Liche, this time an old Metal Magic model, now available from Megamini's. It was a simple model but none-the-less very charming in my opinion.

(http://members.multimania.nl/Pil3/Miniatures/Undead/undead05.JPG)
A 1992 wight by Gary Morley. I gave him a classic chaos shield for a bit more old school feeling.

(http://members.multimania.nl/Pil3/Miniatures/Undead/undead06.JPG)
I'm not a big fan of these wights because of their bulk. I painted them because I had several lying around anyway, and they are very easily identifyable as my characters. So in game they are quite convenient.

(http://members.multimania.nl/Pil3/Miniatures/Undead/undead07.JPG)
Krell, Lord of teh undead. I giot him without his back banner which suits me just fine. He's the only model in my army so far with painted armour (red over the rust) because in life he was a chaos champion of Khorne. Of course he wields the obsidian Black Axe of Krell. It's one of the better wight models in my opinion.

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Another wight with a bit less verdigris. Strangely after painting several nostalgia took over and I found them quite charming again.

(http://members.multimania.nl/Pil3/Miniatures/Undead/undead09.JPG)
Morbius the Liche, I never cared a lot for this model either but it was a nice excersise in painting decaying flesh. He can also double up as a vampire which is a nice plus. Other than that I still prefer my skeletal liches.

(http://members.multimania.nl/Pil3/Miniatures/Undead/undead10.JPG)
A 1992 Gary Morley Wraith. I thought if I painted this bugger I might care about it. I guess not. Since Tomb Kings can't field wraiths I don't know how much action he'll see, but at least he's painted.

(http://members.multimania.nl/Pil3/Miniatures/Undead/undead11.JPG)
A skeleton unit of 30, mostly plastics with some metal highlights.

(http://members.multimania.nl/Pil3/Miniatures/Undead/undead12.JPG)
Another unit of plastic filler skeletons with some metal additions.

(http://members.multimania.nl/Pil3/Miniatures/Undead/undead13.JPG)
BELLA DETESTA MATRIBVS
Wars, the horror of mothers

(http://members.multimania.nl/Pil3/Miniatures/Undead/undead14.JPG)
A little vignette as a unit filler. I wanted these two old 25mm skeletons to act as children and for that they needed a parent. I added the wooden horse (cut from Foamalux foamed PVC) to emphasise their youth upon dying.

(http://members.multimania.nl/Pil3/Miniatures/Undead/undead15.JPG)
A pre-slotta Skeleton Lord, nice model.

(http://members.multimania.nl/Pil3/Miniatures/Undead/undead16.JPG)
A Mystery horn-blower. I'm thinking this is a Grenadier model but I'm not sure. The sculpting was pretty poor though (the middle was far too wide) but I was desperate for more musicians so he's very welcome.

(http://members.multimania.nl/Pil3/Miniatures/Undead/undead17.JPG)
MORS VLTIMA RATIO
Death is the final accounting
A plastic skeleton with a banner. In the end I regret painting his chestplate in verdigris rather than rust, it still looks awkward.

(http://members.multimania.nl/Pil3/Miniatures/Undead/undead18.JPG)
Another pre-slotta skeleton, his base way too big so I fit him on two bases. He looked a bit like an old undead Orc to me but I'm not sure.

(http://members.multimania.nl/Pil3/Miniatures/Undead/undead19.JPG)
A detail of the shield. The shield design looked a bit oriental to me so I went with it unsing the colours of the elements: blue (sky), white (water), yellow (earth) and red (fire).

(http://members.multimania.nl/Pil3/Miniatures/Undead/undead20.JPG)
A pre-slotta crossbowmen, usually gets stuck in with my archers.

(http://members.multimania.nl/Pil3/Miniatures/Undead/undead21.JPG)
Nine skeletons with light armour and arquebuses, ie, more archers for the pile.

(http://members.multimania.nl/Pil3/Miniatures/Undead/undead22.JPG)
11 boring placcy archers, you can see my lazy painting on these 8)

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Light horsemen, useful but boring models.

(http://members.multimania.nl/Pil3/Miniatures/Undead/undead24.JPG)
Another view. Since they're all riding the same horse I've started devising lors of ways to make them look different, the easiest method is a head/neck repositioning.

(http://members.multimania.nl/Pil3/Miniatures/Undead/undead25.JPG)
There he is again! Ennio Mordini and his Nightmare legion, but this time there's 40 of them! Actually there are 41, but number 41 got stuck in with the plastic skeletons. I have more of these models waiting but I think I will paint those with red skirts, not sure yet though.

(http://members.multimania.nl/Pil3/Miniatures/Undead/undead26.JPG)
Another picture of the command group.

(http://members.multimania.nl/Pil3/Miniatures/Undead/undead27.JPG)
Two screaming Skull Catapults. These things are some of the better parts of the Tomb Kings army at the moment but alas our league allows no duplicate rare choices so one ghets left at home.

(http://members.multimania.nl/Pil3/Miniatures/Undead/undead28.JPG)
I still really like these catapults though. Also, the new rules for warmachines are a bit simplified which made basing machine and crew together much simpler in game terms. I think this really adds to the vintage look 8)

(http://members.multimania.nl/Pil3/Miniatures/Undead/undead28b.JPG)
A pic of the 60x60mm base from the bottom for anyone interested.

(http://members.multimania.nl/Pil3/Miniatures/Undead/undead29.JPG)
Heavy horsemen! I painted 21 of these guys and I think the unit looks awesome. They still have no proper musician though ;)

(http://members.multimania.nl/Pil3/Miniatures/Undead/undead30.JPG)
Too bad they can't do shit in a Tomb Kings army, but when I field these as Black Knights in a Vampire Counts army people will tremble!

(http://members.multimania.nl/Pil3/Miniatures/Undead/undead31.JPG)
The champion is one of the better Gary Morley models (all metal skeleton horsemen are quite nice). He was leaning way too far backward in my opinion though so I modelled the horse as if it was kicking. I also added some fur to fill the gap between the rider and the horse. The other model is in the picture because he's riding a metal 1983 Ral Partha horse.

(http://members.multimania.nl/Pil3/Miniatures/Undead/undead32.JPG)
Undead Ogres! Probably some od the most recent models in my army (dated 2000 if I'm not mistaken), these serve as my Ushabti. The models are by Ral Partha and sculpted by Werner Klocke I think. Unfortunately there are only two variants and they're very hard to cut up.

(http://members.multimania.nl/Pil3/Miniatures/Undead/undead34.JPG)
Real undead archers. Among the plastics and the proxies I have gathered a couple of real metal undead bowmen (thanks Phreedh!). They had lots of parts with detail loss and there are only two variants but they still look better than every other archer.

(http://members.multimania.nl/Pil3/Miniatures/Undead/undead33.JPG)
I painted them in a mix of livery and other colours as I didn't want them to look too uniform (the only uniform regiment should be the Nightmare Legion). There's also a Grenadier archer in here, again I'm nt very fond of this model.

(http://members.multimania.nl/Pil3/Miniatures/Undead/undead35.JPG)
Tom Meier's Zombie Dragon, again, just a new picture, but isn't he pretty? 8)

(http://members.multimania.nl/Pil3/Miniatures/Undead/undead36.JPG)
I managed to get another of these which will get a rider in the future.

(http://members.multimania.nl/Pil3/Miniatures/Undead/undead37.JPG)
A Tomb Scorpion. This is the classic Citadel Scorpion, I have received an extra pair of legs for this model (thank you Rob_bresnen!) which will be added in due time. I'm not really pleased with the colour scheme either. I have another one of these (thank you Svennn), I think I will paint that one with more attention and then repaint this one and add the legs. It's painted because it's a useful model in a Tomb Kings army (and having two doesn't hurt either).

(http://members.multimania.nl/Pil3/Miniatures/Undead/undead38.JPG)
A plastic Chariot with Longhorn as crew.

(http://members.multimania.nl/Pil3/Miniatures/Undead/undead39.JPG)
A plastic chariot with Reaper as crew.

(http://members.multimania.nl/Pil3/Miniatures/Undead/undead40.JPG)
A metal chariot with Screamer as crew. I still mean to add more chariots but I guess painting and assembling them daunts me a bit, so I keep painting other stuff.

(http://members.multimania.nl/Pil3/Miniatures/Undead/undead41.JPG)
The Colossus Of Argil
The Colossus Of Argil, when alive, terrorised several settlements in the Border Princes. One day the terrorised inhabitants united to overthrow his reign, they took up their weapons and marched to the giants lair. There they killed him and resumed their lives in peace.

Finrum, seeing an opportunity, journeyed to the lair of the Colossus of Argil, performed an extensive necromantic ritual and summoned the giant to serve in his army.

(http://members.multimania.nl/Pil3/Miniatures/Undead/undead42.JPG)
I guess my friends didn't really approve of my using a zombie dragon for a bone giant in my army as I giot this for my birthday. It's Grenadiers/Mirlitons Skeletal Titan from 1986, and it's a proper beast! It took some time to assemble and paint and I haven't found a way to transport it yet but it's a real bauty.

(http://members.multimania.nl/Pil3/Miniatures/Undead/undead43.JPG)
I wanted the Colossus to look wealthy and not rag-tag like Giants often do. This model has equipment made in his own size so I painted his necklace gold to reflect his wealth.

(http://members.multimania.nl/Pil3/Miniatures/Undead/undead44.JPG)
A close-up of his back (sword and dagger), the sword is hanging straight down (don't let the picture fool you) and the giant is mounted on a chariot base (50x100 mm).

(http://members.multimania.nl/Pil3/Miniatures/Undead/undead45.JPG)
The shield cried for a design of some sort so I setteled on a quartered white/blue scheme.

(http://members.multimania.nl/Pil3/Miniatures/Undead/undead46.JPG)
A close-up of the axe, I like the holes in it.

(http://members.multimania.nl/Pil3/Miniatures/Undead/undead47.JPG)
A close-up of the shin guard, the Badab Black wash made it dry a bit blotchy but since this part is usually in the shade it's not much of a problem.

There, I hope you enjoyed looking at these pictures as much as I did making them!
Title: Re: Vintage Citadel Undead Army [PICS] [PIC HVY]
Post by: white knight on December 30, 2010, 02:20:43 PM
 :-* :-* :-* :-* 8) :-* ;D 8) 8) 8) o_o :-* 8) :-* 8) 8) :D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Vintage Citadel Undead Army [PICS] [PIC HVY]
Post by: Doomhippie on December 30, 2010, 02:40:04 PM
Absolutely wonderful! Oh the nostalgia when looking at some of these old models. Very well done! I love the overall unity of appearance and your eye for little details that lez individuals stand out from the mass of the army. Thanks for posting those pics, love 'em all.
Title: Re: Vintage Citadel Undead Army [PICS] [PIC HVY]
Post by: m4jumbo on December 30, 2010, 04:03:30 PM
Very cool, lots of very nicely painted models.  And the nostalgia of the older figs appeals to me. 

You are correct on the mystery horn blower, it is an old Grenadier mode, a Lich from an AD&D boxed set.  You've done a great job making that figure look good despite it's lack of detail compared to modern figs.

Beautiful stuff!
Title: Re: Vintage Citadel Undead Army [PICS] [PIC HVY]
Post by: OSHIROmodels on December 30, 2010, 04:42:36 PM
OLD SCHOOL GOODNESS  :-*  :-*  :-*

I paticulary like the banners and the bone giant  8)

cheers

James
Title: Re: Vintage Citadel Undead Army [PICS] [PIC HVY]
Post by: midismirnoff on December 30, 2010, 04:47:38 PM
It's great how you managed to make them look dark and dirty, but with subtle finishing touches. The shields and scroll are amazing.
Title: Re: Vintage Citadel Undead Army [PICS] [PIC HVY]
Post by: Pil on December 30, 2010, 05:14:56 PM
Thank you all for your kind words (and smilies)! For both the banners and the shields I was faced with a little problem: should they reflect their once living counterparts or be distinctly undead? I chose against the former option as it takes away from the undead feel of old where the skeletons were sometimes portrayed as sentient beings. So in the end I opted for simple shield and banner iconography (skulls and skeletons mostly) I think it works while at the same time not being too neat (which transfers would have been) or colourful (which multi-coloured banners and shields would have been).   

You are correct on the mystery horn blower, it is an old Grenadier mode, a Lich from an AD&D boxed set.  You've done a great job making that figure look good despite it's lack of detail compared to modern figs.

Thanks, with your info I found a crappy old picture on the Stuff Of Legends:
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~tpope/sol/grenadier/advanced_dnd.html
5002    Dungeon Monsters
(http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~tpope/sol/grenadier/images/5002.jpg)

None of the figures in that set seem particularly exciting  ::)
Title: Re: Vintage Citadel Undead Army [PICS] [PIC HVY]
Post by: Millmir on December 30, 2010, 07:27:20 PM
 :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* I really like....everything!
The banners looks awesome!
Title: Re: Vintage Citadel Undead Army [PICS] [PIC HVY]
Post by: Colonel Tubby on December 30, 2010, 08:14:20 PM
That is one great army of undead goodness (not good as in good, because they're evil, but good as in loads of fantastic models)!  :-*
Title: Re: Vintage Citadel Undead Army [PICS] [PIC HVY]
Post by: Funghy-Fipps on December 30, 2010, 08:52:27 PM
WOW!  Seeing that army in the 'flesh' must be an awe-inspiring sight indeed!  Excellent job and no mistake.
Title: Re: Vintage Citadel Undead Army [PICS] [PIC HVY]
Post by: abhorsen950 on December 30, 2010, 09:09:40 PM
 :-* Really lovely work there. Brought some brilliant old school models back to life.
Title: Re: Vintage Citadel Undead Army [PICS] [PIC HVY]
Post by: phreedh on December 31, 2010, 01:29:21 AM
What a beauty! Don't care much for the Morley stuff but painted up they look nice. =) Brilliant giant!

Glad you get to play with them, too!
Title: Re: Vintage Citadel Undead Army [PICS] [PIC HVY]
Post by: Deep One on December 31, 2010, 05:36:37 PM
Great army!!!
Title: Re: Vintage Citadel Undead Army [PICS] [PIC HVY]
Post by: rob_alderman on December 31, 2010, 07:38:43 PM
AWESOME!!

Have you checked out some of the old alternative armies undead models? There are a few rather nice ones...  :)
Title: Re: Vintage Citadel Undead Army [PICS] [PIC HVY]
Post by: m4jumbo on December 31, 2010, 09:00:27 PM
Re Dungeon Monsters

None of the figures in that set seem particularly exciting  ::)

Back in the day they were exciting.  I remember getting that set new as a young gamer and thinking they were the coolest thing ever.  Thankfully both sculpting and painting have come a long way since then.   But even the older stuff can look good when well painted as you have shown. 

Now, off to see if I can find some of those skeletal ogres....
Title: Re: Vintage Citadel Undead Army [PICS] [PIC HVY]
Post by: DeafNala on December 31, 2010, 09:05:59 PM
WOW...a trip down Memory Lane! You did an EXCELLENT job bringing some really cool old Living Impaired Lads back to life...in a manner of speaking. VERY WELL DONE...& thanks for the memories!
Title: Re: Vintage Citadel Undead Army [PICS] [PIC HVY]
Post by: Pil on December 31, 2010, 10:28:39 PM
Thank you all!

AWESOME!!

Have you checked out some of the old alternative armies undead models? There are a few rather nice ones...  :)

I saw someone (was it you?) post some undead dwarves the other day, they were quite nice but I'll stick to what I have for the moment.

Re Dungeon Monsters

Back in the day they were exciting.  I remember getting that set new as a young gamer and thinking they were the coolest thing ever.  Thankfully both sculpting and painting have come a long way since then.   But even the older stuff can look good when well painted as you have shown. 

Now, off to see if I can find some of those skeletal ogres....

I can imagine, 1981 is old even compared to Citadel's 1983-84 pre-slottas. I ordered the Skeletal Ogres from Ral Partha Europe but they were much cheaper somewhere in the US (7 USD for two as opposed to 5 GBP each), I can't seem to find any of them back though, but they should be somewhere (though probably not that cheap anymore), good luck tracking the down!
Title: Re: Vintage Citadel Undead Army [PICS] [PIC HVY]
Post by: rob_alderman on January 01, 2011, 02:48:54 AM
I hope you don't think I'm referring to the Flintloque Undead models. Alternative Armies also have quite a diverse High Fantasy range including some Undead from the late 80s and early 90s. They used to be one of the 'big Nottingham companies'.

http://alternative-armies.com/Legions_of_the_Dead.htm (http://alternative-armies.com/Legions_of_the_Dead.htm)

You can order the miniatures seperately and you said you needed musicians, there are musicians in some of these packs...

(http://alternative-armies.com/images/vnt12_600_1ws.jpg)
(http://alternative-armies.com/images/vnt16_600_1ws.jpg)
Title: Re: Vintage Citadel Undead Army [PICS] [PIC HVY]
Post by: Pil on January 02, 2011, 07:24:14 PM
Thanks for posting, I did think you meant the Flintloque ones but these are much more appropriate. I'm not incredibly impressed by the sculpts but I think for regiments they should be fine. Especially the archers are quite nice.
Title: Re: Vintage Citadel Undead Army [PICS] [PIC HVY]
Post by: Blue in vt on January 03, 2011, 03:04:58 PM
 :o :o :o

A truly exceptional collection and well painted...I love the consistency of your paint work and the way it pulls the whole lot together...love it!

Cheers,

Blue
Title: Re: Vintage Citadel Undead Army [PICS] [PIC HVY]
Post by: B. Basiliscus on January 03, 2011, 04:35:40 PM
Terrific! Astounding! Marvelous! Gorgeous!

Truly epic achievement you have here.
I really like the ghostly faces painted on some of the shields.
Title: Re: Vintage Citadel Undead Army [PICS] [PIC HVY]
Post by: D@rth J@ymZ on February 14, 2011, 04:26:17 PM
Nice work on assembling and painting this old school horde. Very impressive.
Title: Re: Vintage Citadel Undead Army [PICS] [PIC HVY]
Post by: Bloodysword on February 15, 2011, 12:23:53 AM
Love your army.  I'm also a fan of mixing a variety of manufacturers to give variety.  What other army do you use to fight them? 
Title: Re: Vintage Citadel Undead Army [PICS] [PIC HVY]
Post by: oldskoolrebel on February 15, 2011, 01:19:35 AM
Stunning, absolutely stunning!

When you're using old school miniatures, why don't you use old school rules?
Title: Re: Vintage Citadel Undead Army [PICS] [PIC HVY]
Post by: Pil on February 15, 2011, 01:36:00 AM
Love your army.  I'm also a fan of mixing a variety of manufacturers to give variety.  What other army do you use to fight them? 

Thanks fior the comment! Though I do have a Lizardmen army this army will have to fight whatever my opponent brings to the table. It's meant to be a legal army for WFB 8th edition so I can basically play anyone with an army.

That said, I still haven't finished reading the rulebook yet and I've had very few games in so far.

Stunning, absolutely stunning!

When you're using old school miniatures, why don't you use old school rules?

To be honest I never really saw a problem with the way the WFB rules evolved. I liked 7th edition, at least the core rules, and I like 8th edition as well. What I liked less was how all the army books incorporated lots of army-specific special rules which overthrew the balance which seemed to exists in the 7th edition core rules.

I'm wondering what the future has in store for the Tomb Kings but their 8th edition army book will be one of the earlier releases (sometime this year) so I'll find out more then 8)

I'm also interested in trying out Kings Of War, shich is of course also not very old-school, but I haven't looked into that yet. Though chances of playing it are increasing with Neldoreths efforts of making 'missing' army lists for the game!

I read through a good part of the WFB 3rd edition rules once and they're very interesting but I also think they might be a bit too complicated and tedious. That and I wouldn't be able to find an opponent easily. I do really like the 3rd edition approach to the army lists which seemed to have more variation in equipment within an army and less 'special' units.
Title: Re: Vintage Citadel Undead Army [PICS] [PIC HVY]
Post by: oldskoolrebel on February 15, 2011, 01:50:33 AM
Cheers for the reply Pil

I only have experience of 3rd Edition through playing WFRP. However I do have experience of 4th Edition- it was the first ever wargame that I bought.

I still remember the day I first entered a GW with my dad and we played Warhammer 40K. The wonder, the magic! Shortly after this my dad gave me the choice of the Warhammer 40k or the Warhammer boxset. Because I was reading Lord of the Rings I opted for Warhammer. Ahh the memories! Sad as it may seem I did like the spell cards and the winds of magic deck.

We never painted any miniatures at all, instead we just played the game. Ahh those where the days.


As I said before lovely army! A while ago I bought a whole load of those plastic skeleton miniatures off of fleabay, they came assembled and painted- some have pretty funky metallic purple weapons. They really do need a repaint and I might just add it of my list of things to do. How o you achieve the awesome 'dirty' look of your skeletons?

Cheers
Andy


Title: Re: Vintage Citadel Undead Army [PICS] [PIC HVY]
Post by: Damien on February 15, 2011, 04:28:34 AM
God what a beautiful army, I love the fact that you mixed minis from different companies. I really like the bases for the catapults integrating all the minis makes it into a small diorama, the calvary looks awesome, Ral Parhta Ogres look really good (I have to get some of those) but the Grenadier Giant just tops off the awesomeness of this army.

Just all around great stuff, that is why I come to this forum.

Thanks for showing this
Damien
Title: Re: Vintage Citadel Undead Army [PICS] [PIC HVY]
Post by: Pil on February 15, 2011, 10:50:25 AM
As I said before lovely army! A while ago I bought a whole load of those plastic skeleton miniatures off of fleabay, they came assembled and painted- some have pretty funky metallic purple weapons. They really do need a repaint and I might just add it of my list of things to do. How o you achieve the awesome 'dirty' look of your skeletons?

I started playing in 4th edition too but after a few months 5th edition was already released. As said I think each edition thereafter addressed some of the pronblems of the previous edition, though it wasn't always an improvement of course.

Looking back I quite liked the magic 'card game' with the Winds Of Magic cards (rebound, magic duel). The spell cards and magic item cards were less interesting. That said, I really like that you can have everything in the book and do't need all the extra stuff nowadays. A few years ago we tried to get into 2nd edition 40k and it was quite hard to track all the cards down because half of the rukles back then were printed on cards and not in books.

All of my plastic skeletons were also assembled and painted. In the end this saved me heaps of assembly time so it was a blessing in disguise. Before repainting an old skeleton I clean off some of the really visible mould lines, mostly on the skull, legs, arms and rib cage. Then I base the model with sand, give it a shield (where appropriate) and a black undercoat. The bone is done with three drybrushes:
1) Vallejo Game Color (VGC) Charred Brown (Citadel Scorched Brown), this drybrush can be sloppy and wet, almost like a basecoat but not quite.
2) VGC Earth (Citadel Graveyard Earth), this drybrush has to be medium-dry but it's still ok if it's a bit wet.
3) VGC Bone White (Citadel Bleached Bone), make sure this drybrush is dry.

This takes care of the bone, nothing less, nothing more (a skeleton without weapons is considered finished at this stage). The dark colours and the sloppy drybrush make for a dirty look. Also variations between the coverage of the drybrush give a slight variation in bone colour.

This bone colour is also the base for the rust (for metal bits like weapons and shield rims) & verdrigris (for brass bits on characters).

Rust:
1) I paint the metal bits with the previous Citadel Generation Orange Ink. It's the one that comes in the pot on the right (but with a white cap):
(http://www.eastern-empire.com/forums/paint_pots.jpg)
It's OOP and unfortunately VGC didn't copy this colour but you can probably find a suitable alternative.
2) I paint the armour with Badab Black Wash (if you do your verdigris first you can combine this step with the last step of the verdigris)
3) Drybrush with Citadel Boltgun Metal, this doesn't have to be an even dry drybrush, it can be a bit patchy, just don't let the metal cover too well.

Verdigris:
1) mix up a bit of old Citadel Jade Green (can't find it on Coat d'Arms) with Bone White (still on the wet palette) to make it lighter (white may look even better but since I already had the bone on my palette I used that).
2) wash the verdigris bits with the diluted Jade Green mix
3) when the wash is dry, (dry)brush the verdigris bits with old Citadel Shining Gold (Coat d'Arms Bright Gold). This colour is very different than the current Citadel Shining Gold.
4) Wash the armour with Citadel Badab Black Wash

Altogether several easy steps to paint old armour for lazy people like me, good luck!

Damien> Thank you very much! I'm very pleased how the catapults turned out, this is the way I always imagined them to be and reminds me of the old 'Machineries of Destruction' pics of Orc and Goblin warmachines on a single base 8).
Title: Re: Vintage Citadel Undead Army [PICS] [PIC HVY]
Post by: JollyBob on February 15, 2011, 11:24:13 AM
This is incredible. Pil, you are a master.  :-* 8)

It makes me want to dig out my half-finished dry undead army and complete it. Mainly built from the plastic boxed set, and about 1/3 the size of yours but oooh, so tempting...

Just out of interest, how did you find the old Grenadier Undead Giant to put together? I have had one sitting in a box for about 15 years now, and its become an annual ritual to get it out, dry-fit it, think longingly about completing it and then put it away again. Some of the pieces (the wrist in particular) seem very flimsy joins to me.
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Post by: Pil on February 15, 2011, 06:25:20 PM
The giant was a bit of work to put together and I did it over several nights. None of the bits really gave me a lot of trouble though as long as you pin everything and take your time to let glue and putty set.

I first put together the chest halves with one pin in the middle connecting the breastbone with the vertebral column.
When this was dry I connected the ribs together with MagicSculp.
When the putty had cured I gave the inside of the rib cage a spray with black undercoat as I wouldn't be able to do that later on.

When all was set and done I connected the rib cage to the hips (which also have the left lef attached) with two pins (if I recall correctly), one on each side.
When this had dried I filled in the gaps in the belt with MagicSculp.

With the MagicSculp cured I glued the model to the base (the feet and scenery already glued to a chariot base), pinning the left leg to the left foot and inserting the right leg between the hips and the base (with the foot), the right leg was the only part not pinned apart from the lower jaw. There was a gap between the right leg and the right foot so I extended the blunt edge of the leg a bit with MagicSculp, you can see this in this picture:

(http://members.multimania.nl/Pil3/Miniatures/Undead/undead44.JPG)

Before sticking on the arms I pinned the right hand to the right arm with a short pin.
Then I pinned the arms to the body.
Since the body has holes for the arms to be inserted in I placed the pins below the hol, in the armpit.
After pinning the arms I sculpted the chainmail on the shoulder with MagicSculp.

With the model nearly finished I pinned on the sword and the dagger with very short pins.
Finally I glued the lower jaw to the skull and pinned the skull to the neck.

It's quite a complex model but if you take your time (don't try to assemble this in a day) and pin everything you can pin then it shouldn't give you any trouble, good luck!
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Post by: JollyBob on February 15, 2011, 07:55:20 PM
Many thanks Pil, a very comprehensive answer.  :)
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Post by: Pil on February 16, 2011, 02:37:50 PM
You're welcome, I hope you can find the time/motivation to assemble and paint yours 8)
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Post by: JollyBob on February 17, 2011, 10:23:37 AM
I actually dug it out of the box last night and it appears that I started building it at some point. I must have totally fogotten about doing it! Just needs the head and hand fixed on, and maybe the greave repositioned.

The damn thing's based as well! When the hell did I do that?   :o  o_o  Must have been a while ago as there is a lot of Miliput in the joins...

If I can summon the will to complete it, I'll whack some pictures up.
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Post by: Armorman39 on November 16, 2012, 11:35:12 PM
Very, very nice! I am a big fan of the old Warhammer!
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Post by: Mason on November 17, 2012, 08:28:55 AM
I am really glad that Armorman39 has dragged this thread back into the light as I am putting together an Undead army soon and this is pure inspiration.

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Post by: Pil on November 17, 2012, 11:03:47 AM
Very, very nice! I am a big fan of the old Warhammer!

Thanks, I guess a little thread-o-mancy is appropriate for this bunch. If you like them don't forget to check out the follow-up thread with a 100+ Nightmare Legion:

(http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd516/arjenpilon/undeadarmy001.jpg)

A Cry From The Crypt
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=33242.0

After this I haven't sat still all the time, here's an undead mammoth:

(http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd516/arjenpilon/undeadmammoth01.jpg)

(More pictures here: http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=36299.0 )

I also painted up an old Plague Cart and Grenadier's emperor on palanquin:

(http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd516/arjenpilon/plaguecart01.jpg)

(http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd516/arjenpilon/throneofsouls01.jpg)

(More pictures of both here: http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=34030.0 )

In the Lead Painters' League I added to my army as well:

(http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd516/arjenpilon/Pil-10_Bad_to_the_bone.jpg)

Bad to the bone, undead vikings versus dwarf pirates.

(http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd516/arjenpilon/Pil-01_Death_Riders.jpg)

Death Riders

(http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd516/arjenpilon/Pil-02_Sic_Transit_Gloria_Mundi.jpg)

Sic Transit Gloria Mundi

(http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd516/arjenpilon/Pil-06_Hierotitan.jpg)

Hierotitan

(http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd516/arjenpilon/Pil-07_Phantom_Lord.jpg)

Phantom lord

(http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd516/arjenpilon/Pil-04_Lichemaster.jpg)

And last not but least, the one and and only Lichemaster. Actually, being a conversion he's not the one and certainly not the only, but still... ;)

Mason, I'm looking forward to seeing your undead very much! 8)
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Post by: DeafNala on November 17, 2012, 12:21:28 PM
FANTASTIC! That is a TRULY IMPRESSIVE Labor of Love. Each of the pieces is BEAUTIFULLY DONE in it's own right & adds to the overall effect. I love the way all the diverse minis work together. This is INSPIRATIONAL STUFF!
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Post by: Giger on November 17, 2012, 11:35:45 PM
Fantastic army, truly wonderful to look at
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Post by: Armorman39 on November 18, 2012, 01:42:44 AM
Simply wonderful work, I too am glad to see these pictures - inspiring!  o_o
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Post by: beefcake on November 18, 2012, 02:07:00 AM
Awesome stuff. Makes me want to pull out my old undead and bring them back to their full glory.
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Post by: Donpimpom on November 18, 2012, 09:49:47 AM
 :o :o :o
Lovely stuff!! keep posting pics please!
where is this Lichemaster proxy from? it's Metal Magic?
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Post by: Pil on November 21, 2012, 08:55:18 PM
:o :o :o
Lovely stuff!! keep posting pics please!
where is this Lichemaster proxy from? it's Metal Magic?

Mostly yes, he's based on this model now available from Mega Miniatures:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/8750195033 (can't seem to find a current listing though)

(http://i14.ebayimg.com/03/i/05/ec/ce/ce_2.JPG)

He got a head and staff swap from Morbius the Liche and a green stuff hat.

(http://members.multimania.nl/Pil3/Miniatures/Undead/undead09.JPG)

Thanks all for the kind words, mind you though that the original topic is nearly two years old ;)
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Post by: rob_alderman on November 22, 2012, 01:43:52 AM
Two years old is nothing compared to the lead! If you were willing to perform a bit of necromancy on the lead pile, I'm sure no one will mind us lot doing the same to the thread (there was a pun there, I will admit!).

Fantastic work as I said before (years ago, no doubt!), please do keep it up as it's very inspiring!!!
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Post by: Spooktalker on November 22, 2012, 03:06:09 AM
Love the new additions.  :-* Let the glory of this project resound throughout the interwebs.
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Post by: Schatt on November 22, 2012, 01:48:36 PM
Amazing paintwork! :-*

 I've got about 300-350 vintage undead metal miniatures and I'm afraid most of them forever will be unpainted, but now I'm going to spare some hours a day and start working on them.

Thanks for motivation!  :D
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Post by: dinohunterpoa on November 23, 2012, 10:30:10 AM

 :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o