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Miniatures Adventure => The Second World War => Topic started by: Prof.Witchheimer on September 14, 2007, 07:57:15 AM
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An American World War II propaganda poster. Dated August 10, 1942.
Just wanted to share i with you :)
(http://forum.backofbeyond.de/images/misc/07_09_14_Englishman.jpg)
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I've never seen it. Very interesting!
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What's that he's carrying? Is it an anti-tank rifle?
What an odd poster. Is it supposed to be a recognition chart, to avoid "Friendly Fire?"
Is there an accompanying picture of a chap in a Stahlhelm, saying "THIS MAN IS YOUR ENEMY: SHOOT HIM!"
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It looks like a Boyes anti-tank rifle to me. I could be wrong though. :?
It's a bit of an odd poster, is there another variant for 'Scotsman', 'Irishman' and 'Welshman'?
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What's that he's carrying? Is it an anti-tank rifle?
It's the Anti-Tank Rifle .55in Boys
What an odd poster.
exactly what I thought :)
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I thought that's what it looked like. Ta.
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there are more, just found:
(http://www.library.northwestern.edu/govinfo/collections/wwii-posters/img/ww1647-41.jpg)
(http://www.library.northwestern.edu/govinfo/collections/wwii-posters/img/ww1647-42.jpg)
(http://www.library.northwestern.edu/govinfo/collections/wwii-posters/img/ww1647-47.jpg)
(http://www.library.northwestern.edu/govinfo/collections/wwii-posters/img/ww1647-43.jpg)
(http://www.library.northwestern.edu/govinfo/collections/wwii-posters/img/ww1647-45.jpg)
(http://www.library.northwestern.edu/govinfo/collections/wwii-posters/img/ww1647-44.jpg)
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Interesting that it includes "Ethiopian", and that it uses that name. In English the country was usually called "Abyssinia" until quite recently.
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actually the people of Ethiopia isnt happy at all with that name, the using of it is false and the name Abyssinia is the correct name of that land. Ethiopia is a foreign term used by Ancient Greeks and Romans refer to the people living on the southern border of Egypt (Sudan today)
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Well it's their official name for their country. If they don't like it they should change it.
I think they don't use "Abyssinia" any more because it is not inclusive of all the ethnic groups there (it only covers part of the modern country). Something like that.
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the russian one is funny : he were a funy helmet : it look like an adrian one : the french helmet.
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That's what it is. The Russians did use Adrian helmets. A few other nations did, as well as France.
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I wonder why the 'n' on Australian looks like an after thought?
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Well it's their official name for their country. If they don't like it they should change it.
I think they don't use "Abyssinia" any more because it is not inclusive of all the ethnic groups there (it only covers part of the modern country). Something like that.
Well but "Ethiopia" also isn't inclusive of all, just the kushitic part ( a big part of course). And that part comes from Ancient Sudan. Therefore actually they arent able to come to an agreement among themselves.
I personally would vote for "Abyssinia"
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I've seen these posters before. They're pretty amusing. I'll have to ask the WW2 vets in the family if they ever had to go through training in "This Man is Your Friend."
Also note: Dutch Sailors are your friends. But are Dutch soldiers? :?: What about Abyssinians who don't play the bugle? :?:
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Also note: Dutch Sailors are your friends. But are Dutch soldiers? :?: What about Abyssinians who don't play the bugle? :?:
I'm sure american propaganda had a poster for both dutch sailors and soldiers, as well as dutch workers/scholars/etc. In those days americans loved all sorts of the dutch people :lol: No idea about abyssianin ones without bugle. Probably loved, too :mrgreen:
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Great find.
One of the reasons for these posters was to avoid conflict amongst the armies. I believe the US Army released a guidebook in which they specifically asked Irish Americans to play nice and reminded G.I.'s that continous mention of American success in the War for Independance would be met by snide remarks about 1812!* :D Similarly they had to turn around years of "Russians-are-evil-god-hating-bastard-commies" into "Oh, look at the ickle Ruskie". The joys of propaganda.
*If I remember right it also mentioned that warm beer in British pubs was normal and on no account should they ask for the manager because of it.
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I received a GI guide book on England as a Xmas Pressie a few years ago I will dig it out for some funny quotes :D
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Heartwarming that a mere 65 years on, we Brits and Germans (plus a few folks from the Dominions and ex-Colonies) can have a chuckle about these things... :wink:
Are you quite sure these are genuine, Professor? Knowing your facility with all things printed and designed, I suspect a spoof...
The Dutch sailor and Ethiopian bugler are just too absurd to be genuine US propaganda - I mean when the hell would the average GI come into contact with an Ethiopian bugler!
It's a masterly wind-up. Has to be.
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Heartwarming that a mere 65 years on, we Brits and Germans (plus a few folks from the Dominions and ex-Colonies) can have a chuckle about these things... :wink:
Are you quite sure these are genuine, Professor? Knowing your facility with all things printed and designed, I suspect a spoof...
The Dutch sailor and Ethiopian bugler are just too absurd to be genuine US propaganda - I mean when the hell would the average GI come into contact with an Ethiopian bugler!
It's a masterly wind-up. Has to be.
they're genuine, check it out:
http://www.library.northwestern.edu/govinfo/collections/wwii-posters/
you just need to type "United States. Office of Facts and Figures" in the search row, "# of results to display" should be set at least to 10, and you will get them all :)
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The Dutch sailor and Ethiopian bugler are just too absurd to be genuine US propaganda - I mean when the hell would the average GI come into contact with an Ethiopian bugler!
Well how long did fighting in Abyssinia go on? If the US entered the war in '41 its possible seeing as these are '42 that either G.I.'s or Sailors might have met Abyssinians. Similarly its poss. that Abyssinians fought in Tunisia etc. The Dutch Sailor could be met in the Far East, possibly in the fighting over the Dutch East Indies or the reconquests.
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The Dutch sailor and Ethiopian bugler are just too absurd to be genuine US propaganda - I mean when the hell would the average GI come into contact with an Ethiopian bugler!
Well how long did fighting in Abyssinia go on? If the US entered the war in '41 its possible seeing as these are '42 that either G.I.'s or Sailors might have met Abyssinians. Similarly its poss. that Abyssinians fought in Tunisia etc. The Dutch Sailor could be met in the Far East, possibly in the fighting over the Dutch East Indies or the reconquests.
well it's not so absurd :
Abyssinia was under the control of the Italian army. The ethopian campaign was one of the first english (and free french) victory in the WWII.
and Dutch sailor could be for the pacific front : there was a lot of colonial dutch country in pacific era.
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Is there an accompanying picture of a chap in a Stahlhelm, saying "THIS MAN IS YOUR ENEMY: SHOOT HIM!"
Like this?
(http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/temp/shoot-him.jpg)
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Damn, dirty, dutch soldiers...
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Without wanting to perpetuate any prejudices: That Dutch sailor creeps me out. Donīt know why, and no, itīs not a "Hello-oo, Sailor!" thing.
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Why are we assuming that these posters are aimed at the military and not at the home front? Could they not be a programme to educate the public about the extent of the allied coalition?
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Why are we assuming that these posters are aimed at the military and not at the home front? Could they not be a programme to educate the public about the extent of the allied coalition?
Yes, Chris, i think you're right. btw, just found that
http://www.nh.gov/ww2/ww42.html
"Americans had not traveled abroad in great numbers when WWII began. The Office of Facts and Figures issues the "This is your friend" series of posters showing some of America's allies in the war effort to make our allies recognizable to Americans at home. "
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I love american propaganda :D
(http://www.usmm.net/p/porthole.jpg)
(http://www.usmm.net/p/dog.jpg)
more here:
http://www.usmm.net/postertalk2b.html
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I was only joking when I suggested it was for recognition purposes!
I had assumed it was along the lines of a "we're all in it together" type of thing, to boost morale.
My favourite along those lines is this one:
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/together.jpg)
So we're all TOGETHER! (But I notice the non-white chaps still have to stand at the back.)
Edit: Nice one Revford. But did they have a time machine? That picture is from the Ardennes in '44, yet they have it on a poster from 1942. How mysterious! :)
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Is there an accompanying picture of a chap in a Stahlhelm, saying "THIS MAN IS YOUR ENEMY: SHOOT HIM!"
Like this?
(http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/temp/shoot-him.jpg)
Revford - masterly!
There, you see how easy it is to spoof these things! :mrgreen:
Whatever the truth, they are all very intriguing. I think a few people are now taking it all a bit seriously, trying to construct fiendishly ingenious linkages between how a GI might just have encountered an Ethiopian bugler! Blimey. It was meant as light relief wasn't it Professor? :wink:
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The Dutch Sailor has this look on his face like the officer in the room just told him to suck in his gut.
Of course, I could just picture a bunch of American GIs, straight off the farm rummaging through their id cards trying to match the soldier approaching with one of them. :lol:
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Edit: Nice one Revford. But did they have a time machine? That picture is from the Ardennes in '44, yet they have it on a poster from 1942. How mysterious! :)
Could be down to letting pulp/weird war players spoof this sort of thing without checking the date on the photo. :)
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My "favourite" (ie, grimly effective) WW2 propaganda poster:
(http://www.vulture-bookz.de/imagebank/Propaganda/images/1942x~This_is_the_Enemy_US_%5B1%5D.jpg)
Now THIS is the Enemy!
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Nice one Revford. But did they have a time machine? That picture is from the Ardennes in '44, yet they have it on a poster from 1942. How mysterious! :)
LOL! well observed!
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At least the topic made for interesting discussion amongst the members of the forum. :)