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Miniatures Adventure => Pikes, Muskets and Flouncy Shirts => Topic started by: richarDISNEY on January 18, 2011, 02:58:52 PM
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Well, seeing the cover for the new Black Scorpion's Cutlass! game... http://www.blackscorpionminiatures.com/index.php , does anybody know anything about it?
It sounds like they will be supporting all of their pirates and fantasy pirates in there (including the elves and the Giant!!! 8) ), and no sea battles, but....
Any other info? How many figs? What kinda dice? "Static" models, or can the models "improve" their stats? Campaign rules?
Anybody know?
Thanks!
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To be released at Salute 2011.
http://theminiaturespage.com/news/811097/
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It's astonishing to me to see miniatures companies employing professional artists to sell their stuff. Given what I assume is the cost, I don't see Hinterland doing that any time soon. Some art for Freebooter was recently featured in the Spectrum books, which show the best refereed fantasy and sci-fi art of the year. Wow. :o
By the way (and revealing how I spend time that should be dedicated to painting ;D), anyone else think the chick in the Black Scorpian artwork bears an interesting resemblance to porn starlet Giana Michaels?
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Not enough visible skin in the Black Scorpion picture for an educated comparison. ::)
Looking forward to the game, though. Seems nice enough.
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A direct rival to Freebooters Fate presumably?
Clearly if you make fantasy pirate figures, a big fat rule system is a de rigeur brand extension.
Yawn. Pass the grog.
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I also read Salute release, and its written by ex-GW's Gav Thorpe...
Nuttin' else... :(
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It's astonishing to me to see miniatures companies employing professional artists to sell their stuff. Given what I assume is the cost, I don't see Hinterland doing that any time soon. Some art for Freebooter was recently featured in the Spectrum books, which show the best refereed fantasy and sci-fi art of the year. Wow. :o
the other option on your comment is to suppose the illustration business is not on their best moment.
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Some art for Freebooter was recently featured in the Spectrum books, which show the best refereed fantasy and sci-fi art of the year. Wow. :o
Our Freebooter? Freebooter's Fate? Do you have a reference?
By the way (and revealing how I spend time that should be dedicated to painting ;D), anyone else think the chick in the Black Scorpian artwork bears an interesting resemblance to porn starlet Giana Michaels?
Nope. Her face is too round and she's too thin.
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Our Freebooter? Freebooter's Fate? Do you have a reference?
I believe it's in Spectrum 17:
http://www.amazon.com/Spectrum-17-Best-Contemporary-Fantastic/dp/1599290448/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1295454701&sr=8-1
However, please don't buy the book based on my assumption. I'll try to get to the book store and check my reference.
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It's astonishing to me to see miniatures companies employing professional artists to sell their stuff. Given what I assume is the cost, I don't see Hinterland doing that any time soon. Some art for Freebooter was recently featured in the Spectrum books, which show the best refereed fantasy and sci-fi art of the year. Wow. :o
On that note, I'd like to point out that the best decision Bjorn took with T&T was to have the latest book, i.e. the Colonial Supplement, be layouted by a professional, and get an artist to do the cover illustration. I had done both on the first two, and the newest one clearly shows the difference between an amateur and a professional approach.
By the way (and revealing how I spend time that should be dedicated to painting ;D), anyone else think the chick in the Black Scorpian artwork bears an interesting resemblance to porn starlet Giana Michaels?
I'm feeling a slight twang of embarassment in that I knew who you were referring to, but I'm not quite sure that I agree. I'd rather think that her general appearance, as a comely wench with a battery of six-pounders and long hair is generally reminiscent of the current crop or adult entertainment actrices (erm... not that I would consider myself an expert in that field. Hrm hrm).
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I'm feeling a slight twang of embarassment in that I knew who you were referring to, but I'm not quite sure that I agree. I'd rather think that her general appearance, as a comely wench with a battery of six-pounders and long hair is generally reminiscent of the current crop or adult entertainment actrices (erm... not that I would consider myself an expert in that field. Hrm hrm).
I'll present the evidence (hoping Black Scopion doesn't mind). Here's the comely wench from the Black Scorpion game:
(http://www.blackscorpionminiatures.com/images/news/coverlowres.jpg)
And here's comely wench Giana Michaels:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/67/Gianna_Michaels_adjusted.jpg/200px-Gianna_Michaels_adjusted.jpg)
They look pretty darn similar to me. :)
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Uncanny. lol
Still, I think it is just another instance of the current porn chic crawling into other areas of entertainment and popular culture rather than a direct homage or reference.
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The Black Scorpion wench is prettier than the porn star :-*
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Well, having done some additional painful research, I've found some pictures in which Giana looks even more like the Black Scorpion woman, right down to the similar dimples in their chins, but I'll leave it up to interested parties to seek additional data. ;)
Morkin: The Freebooter art is indeed cited in Spectrum 17, The Best in Contemporary Fantastic Art, on page 213. While it didn't win an award, I'm impressed it's in there at all. Congratulations. By the way, Werner Klocke is cited as the "art director".
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5168/5371514794_97d8795289.jpg)
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I like Black Scorpion's pirates, I like skirmish games, and I like pretty rulebooks, so I will probably pick it up. Don't know when I will get around to playing it. I have Freebooter's Fate already, and have read the rules and think it would be fun to play. But when we get together for a skirmish game, it's easier just to play Mordheim, which we all quite enjoy. I know - lazy.
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Yes Michael. Lazy! ;)
You really outta give Freebooter's Fate a go. It's really good...
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Morkin: The Freebooter art is indeed cited in Spectrum 17, The Best in Contemporary Fantastic Art, on page 213. While it didn't win an award, I'm impressed it's in there at all. Congratulations. By the way, Werner Klocke is cited as the "art director".
Wow, I'm impressed. Didn't know that. Thanks for digging out the reference.
As for Gianna: that photo does a good job of flattering her nose. I still don't think the cover art is reminiscent of her specifically. Maybe it's the attire. Let's not go into it on this forum, shall we? ;)
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No matter who was the inspiration, it's a very nice cover. I will have to get a closer look at the rules themselves when it comes out.
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It's astonishing to me to see miniatures companies employing professional artists to sell their stuff. Given what I assume is the cost, I don't see Hinterland doing that any time soon. Some art for Freebooter was recently featured in the Spectrum books, which show the best refereed fantasy and sci-fi art of the year. Wow. :o
By the way (and revealing how I spend time that should be dedicated to painting ;D), anyone else think the chick in the Black Scorpian artwork bears an interesting resemblance to porn starlet Giana Michaels?
Why is it astonishing? It's basic Marketing 101 that a nice cover, interior art, layout, and good overall production values will sell more product. If one can't afford it, that's understandable, but that doesn't mean it doesn't make sense for those who can to make the investment.
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It's astounding due to this:
If one can't afford it, that's understandable,...
Not this:
but that doesn't mean it doesn't make sense for those who can to make the investment.
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I for one are really, really looking forward to this, especially since Legends of the High Seas was not really what we wanted for our Pirate Adventure Campaign. I think that Cutlass! will suit our taste more. Even though I am sure Legends of the High Seas can easily be designed to cater to ones taste, it would require a lot of work with the campaign rules... wich was the point of buyin the system in the first place hehe.
Back to Mordheim in the mean time it seems.
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For everyone who is still interested about the cover's female lead, click now (http://www.blackscorpionminiatures.com/pages.php?page=Alexis). ;)
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For everyone who is still interested about the cover's female lead, click now (http://www.blackscorpionminiatures.com/pages.php?page=Alexis). ;)
And she is certainly far more comely than the other one :-*
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And she is certainly far more comely than the other one :-*
I think that both of the young ladies are quite hawt, but the lady used as model for the cover is one step ahead on the hawtometer.
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So... anyone got the rules yet? :)
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I didnt go to Salute but I know a man who did :D So hopefully I should have mine on Wednesday.
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Can I make an observation or two? :o Hopefully no one will be offended. ???
Contrary to the stereotype of war gamers, we just had an exchange about Fantasy pirate rules, a very beautiful young aspiring model/actress, a porn starlet, and cover art. As an evangelical Christian (now there lol is a stereotype) I have been criticized over my comments on other forums over some aspects of certain miniatures that I prefer not to own - you can own whatever you want IMHO and I will gladly explain that right to others who may be overly upset over that.
We never were juvenile, we never were lascivious, we never avoided the implicit sexuality (sexuality is not a bad thing IMO BTW,) and we were about as objective about the discussion items as possible. In another words, we were adults. Not that surprises me on this forum actually, maybe because of the quality of our members. ;)
1) Why do war gamers have the outsider's stereotype of being juveniles on steroids about this kind of art/miniatures? Because we fail (I am thinking of several other forums) to have adult level conversations publicly as often as we immediately sink into non-adult exchanges about the art/miniatures?
2) Why do we (on other forums) sink into "the abyss" on this subject?
3) Why was I mildly surprised by this?
Gracias,
Glenn
Oh, for the record, I have two sets of nude/semi-nude miniatures (both involving two females) that I have as integral story tags to a FRPG scenario that I had hoped to use (one as a red herring and one factual "clue" to solving the mystery) in a detective style D&D campaign I used to run. Unfortunately we never got to that scenario before the campaign came to an end due to real world priorities of my players! All that outside the box planning never used! And, no, I don't have them out on my shelf, I have this wild hope I may someday get to DM again after I retire and I want them to have that surprise factor when I set them on the table!
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This is a forum for gaming with miniatures, and sometimes it contains art and or miniatures that happend to be females, and yes, these sometime have the look of very busty young ladies. I dont mind this. I like busty young females. Come to think about it, I like older busty ladies as well. Hmm I like all busty ladies, and some that are not that busty, but still.
I dont get offended by nudity, on the contrary, I have during my, longer than expected, life tried to encourage nudity with the opposite sex as often as I have been able, and sometimes the same sex, depending a little bit on the situation and purpose.
I am not religious in any way form or shape, and I live after the general rule of letting other people minding their own business (unless, of course, its about young busty ladies). I do however feel that if people want to occupy their life with religious matters, its basically up to them, unless of course, it interfears with my life. Then I do react.
I can be called a lot of things, stereotype is one of them, but I got to admit, I like pirates and I like the combination with young busty ladies. It is perhaps a sterotype, but as I have allready said, I admit to belonging to that group.
One thing that surprised me though, is the fact that you have more models of nude girls than I do. I must rectify this somehow :S
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Rules are now avalible on the Black Scorpion site
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One thing that surprised me though, is the fact that you have more models of nude girls than I do. I must rectify this somehow
lol
I am sure you will do your best. ;)
That said I bought a rather large "grab bag" of Ral Partha miniatures from the old days and IIRC the seller mentioned some slave girls/harem girls/some such but I never bothered to do more than put them un-inspected in a box since I had no need for them at that time and only had plans for some of the fantasy warriors in the group. Perhaps I should dig them out and offer them to you at a great discount! If these might need your purposes please PM me and I will dig them out and take pictures so you can decide if you want them. I'll never use them... :D
Gracias,
Glenn
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lol
I am sure you will do your best. ;)
That said I bought a rather large "grab bag" of Ral Partha miniatures from the old days and IIRC the seller mentioned some slave girls/harem girls/some such but I never bothered to do more than put them un-inspected in a box since I had no need for them at that time and only had plans for some of the fantasy warriors in the group. Perhaps I should dig them out and offer them to you at a great discount! If these might need your purposes please PM me and I will dig them out and take pictures so you can decide if you want them. I'll never use them... :D
Gracias,
Glenn
Hehe, I might take you up on your offer! :)
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I'm a little tired of hearing about this game.
Am I the only one who thinks the whole thing is a bit over-rated?
I seem to have missed what this actually offers over any other pirate/fantasy skirmish...
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Well, I'm not sure what the game offers over other pirate/fantasy skirmish rules either but this thread over on the Forum of Doom seems to indicate some rather unbalanced game turns could easily crop up:
http://forum-of-doom.com/index.php?topic=14600.0
I was quite excited about Cutlass! but now I'm a little reluctant to purchase the rulebook - it all seems a bit odd :? Think I'll hold off until some reviews start appearing. Maybe I just read it wrong.
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I'm a little tired of hearing about this game.
Am I the only one who thinks the whole thing is a bit over-rated?
I seem to have missed what this actually offers over any other pirate/fantasy skirmish...
This makes me wonder why on earth you are reading this thread? Its like watching a silly show on tv when you really dont like it... change the channel?
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I like the idea myself, a bit of fun and good marketing supported by some lovely figures too. Once I scrape some cash together I will pick up the rule and fantasy figures even if to be used for GW legends game as it has ships. I would guess the rules being from a similar stable should translate ok
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I'm a little tired of hearing about this game.
Am I the only one who thinks the whole thing is a bit over-rated?
I seem to have missed what this actually offers over any other pirate/fantasy skirmish...
As no one here has played it yet, I would say that it hasn't been rated at all, let alone overated. As was suggested above, if your not interested why read the thread?
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And relax...
Several of you are clearly enthusiastic for this new product. Christian isn't.
When you put a topic up for discussion, everyone's entitled to express a view - pro or con.
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Played our first games last night
and have done a first impression on my blog
http://pretaboire.blogspot.com/
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Interesting write-up Pretaboire, thank you. Can you shed any light on character/crew generation, or is it all pre-set?
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@ Pretaboire
Thanks, I will surely have a look at what you write! :)
I have read your preview and I must say that the game it self seems a bit different when it comes to the game mechanics layout. I am willing to try it out though, and are looking forward to be getting the rules in the mail, should arriwe any day now.
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Crew Build seems fairly free
you get $500 you pick a faction and then go from there
there are certain minimums
you have to have a Captain and at least one experienced crew man
thats Marines for my Royal Navy you buy as many or as few crew as you like
then give them gear according to there status .
All very similar to Mordhiem .
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It does seem very LOTHS and Mordheim/Necromunda. I did something similar using Necromunda Gangs and scenarios and LOTHS for the mechanisms for Cave Wars a few years ago they interchange quite freely. :)
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I also think that its a bit like Mordheim, but so was Legends of the High Seas, and its not strange at all, considering that the game it was based on, Legends of the Old West also can trace its origin to that game and GW (naturally). I like LotHS, mainly due to its simularity to Mordheim, so I guess I will pehaps like this as well.
We aim to run a test game as soon as it arriwes... *taps foot*
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No one here in the Midwest USA has mentioned it yet. Maybe I can catch the game at a con and try it out
Oh, Galland, PM sent. All I can say is "residual damage from re-reading old TMP threads" as an excuse for the brain warp.
Looking forward to your AAR.
Gracias,
Glenn
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Played our first games last night
and have done a first impression on my blog
http://pretaboire.blogspot.com/
Nice review. More into Zorro than Pirates but the mechanics seem to have potential.
Gracias,
Glenn
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That review got me thinking. If one player rolls an 8 and the other a 1, what stops the first player from goosestepping all over the other guy?
If the player who rolled an 8 goes on 8, then 7, then 6 etc, activating his reducing number of model actions each time, he could potentially crush the other guy. Yes?
Not sure I'm understanding it correctly.
Anyone who knows better, please clear it up for me.
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That review got me thinking. If one player rolls an 8 and the other a 1, what stops the first player from goosestepping all over the other guy?
That's exactly what I was thinking, especially if it happens several times. If that's the case then surely those of us prone to constant unlucky dice rolls would be in for a very one-sided game :?
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More Cutlass High Jinks
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_KifH1Juh6dg/TcEKGSVnd3I/AAAAAAAAAvo/ujSguIY1n5A/s640/03052011170.jpg)
http://pretaboire.blogspot.com/
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So what difference does each race have over the other? Are humans better than the elves? Are the gretchin the same as the skellies?
For that matter, what races are there, and is there a difference between them?
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That review got me thinking. If one player rolls an 8 and the other a 1, what stops the first player from goosestepping all over the other guy?
Two main things ( based on reading reports and the comments on FoD)
1) The models have to get the same order. If you roll an 8 then you do get to give orders to 8 models but it has to the same one.
2) Your opponent can take over the turn if you activate models that are within 6" of an enemy model
So while you might be able to get a lot more activations than an opponent it doesn't let you necessarily all that you want and you can't do it without fear of retaliation or your opponent stealing the initiative
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You know if you get stuck and want to expand to ship to ship games you could use Pirate! 3 rd edition from Flagship, simple ship to ship rules and they have all the fantasy lists if you so desire and they may be able to be tweaked to accomodate use of both sets. I only say this as I found a copy in my bookshelf and they work with the current smaller ships from flagship, game of war and minimi also gary chalk ships too