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Other Stuff => Workbench => Topic started by: Klabautermann on September 18, 2007, 07:22:14 AM
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I need some help. I have primed most of my Minis via spray cans in white and also in black. Now I needed new ones because my old ones where empty (Black matt DuploColour), so I went to the shop, bought 2 cans and went home to prime some miniatures. But it was horrible, there must be some filler material in and now that filler (or whatever) is sprinkled on the miniatures.
So I search for new primers, and thought about brushed on primer, like Humbrol black matt enamel oder ModelMaster enamel. Who tried allready ModelMaster enamel. Is it okay? Or are there some "Wundermittel" "Must haves" for priming ?
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I need some help. I have primed most of my Minis via spray cans in white and also in black. Now I needed new ones because my old ones where empty (Black matt DuploColour), so I went to the shop, bought 2 cans and went home to prime some miniatures. But it was horrible, there must be some filler material in and now that filler (or whatever) is sprinkled on the miniatures.
So I search for new primers, and thought about brushed on primer, like Humbrol black matt enamel oder ModelMaster enamel. Who tried allready ModelMaster enamel. Is it okay? Or are there some "Wundermittel" "Must haves" for priming ?
It is (probably) not filler, it is what happenes if you spray too far away or when it is too much damp in the air. How sensetive the aerosol is varies from brand to brand. Try, before you discard the cans, to spray closer to the minis and/or in a drier environment.
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Normally I would agree with your words hammershield, but this time there where the same conditions as the days before ;(
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I'm using GW ones (and they're really good). Also I've made some experiences with Vallejo black one. It's also not bad. But GW is better.
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I use Krylon Grey and White primer. For a black primer I use GW's Chaos Black. Though it seems like GW changed the mix slightly when I bought a new can last month. It still works fine. But when you first spray the figures it looks thick but dries ok.
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Hi there,
I would recommend GW Chaos Black as well. It sells in Germany for about 11,50 EUR I think.
Another try I had with a can of Vallejo's Black Primer. But it wasn't as smooth as GW's. My Vallejo paints get better on the Chaos Black.
Cheers, Ralf
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IMHO absolutely the best primer money can buy is Holts Turbo Primer.
I had been using this for years and couldn't get hold of it anymore.
Tried at least a dozen other primers and not a single one came close to the finish you get with HTP. Mirror smooth but with a good grip for oils- yes I'm that old- or acrylics. Dries in minutes. Only drawback; only available in (dark) grey.
About a month ago I found a new distributor in the Netherlands. Called the man and he told me there was a stockist less than 10 minutes drive from where I live. Immediately bought 10 cans and ordered 10 more.
Try it. I promise you won't be dissapointed!
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I recently gave the new Armory spray primer a shot. Its flawless. It reminds me of the old GW primer when it was in its hay day. And at $5.95 a can, the Armory stuff is just right.
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I use Chaos Black from GW, good and readily available, but the price is now £8 a can.............
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...thought about brushed on primer, like Humbrol black matt enamel...
I only use brush-on primer. Either Humbrol black matt enamel or Liquitex Black Gesso.
With the Humbrol I thin with White Sprit and apply two thin layers. With the Gesso I use a flat brush, apply undiluted and daub it on thickly.
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I'm sure I read somewhere that a lot of people swear by Halford's grey car body primer. I've not tried it myself as I don't have the luxury of space or contant temperature and humidity for spraying in.
There's bound to be an equivalent in Germany, if you can't get hold of that. :)
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...thought about brushed on primer, like Humbrol black matt enamel...
I only use brush-on primer. Either Humbrol black matt enamel or Liquitex Black Gesso.
With the Humbrol I thin with White Sprit and apply two thin layers. With the Gesso I use a flat brush, apply undiluted and daub it on thickly.
I also use brush-on Humbrol Matt Black enamel when I'm in a hurry and a) Can't spay due to the weather (like now), or b) Cannot wait for a batch for a batch to be ready for piming (I usually prime 20-30 minis at a time - and, yes, I have a whole lot of primed, unpainted minis), or c) have no spray primer left.
I have not thinned it, yet, but have been thinking about it. White spirit, you say...? The kind used for cleaning grease off doorframes, and the likes?
I have had good results with Army Painter's black primer, but sometimes it turns out slightly coarse, so I mainly use it for buildings and terrain pieces, preferring GW Chaos Black.
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I really like the Army Painter spraypaint they now stock at Spielkultur. At 9,95 (IIRC, maybe 10,95, but definitely a bit cheaper than the GW stuff), it´s good value for money, but you need to be careful with spraying distance because it *may* dry up very, very smooth - but if you keep to the "10-12 inch distance rule", it works out fine. Good coverage, excellent yield (I usually get several hundred figures out of a single can).
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So call me a Philistine but I use Testors Model Master Acrylic grey (brush-on) and I haven't had any problems...
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I use whatever grey primer is on sale at the store when I happen to go in, and haven't ever had issues.
I've got two cans on the go right now (misplaced the first, bought the second, found the first again...), used both just this week (different batches of minis) and had no issues with either. No idea what the brand is, it sure as heck isn't overpriced "hobby primer", but I've never, ever had any issues.
(except the time I grabbed the grey primer when I meant to grab the Dullcote, but that's hardly the spraycan's fault...) lol
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I'm using GW ones (and they're really good). Also I've made some experiences with Vallejo black one. It's also not bad. But GW is better.
I would recommend GW Chaos Black as well. It sells in Germany for about 11,50 EUR I think.
GW doesn't sell primer. They sell black paint. GW stopped selling their Chaos Black as a primer years ago. This is a very important distinction. GW might tell you to use it as a primer but I'd hesitate to use it.
I think its very inferior to actual primers and if you paint miniatures with a significant amount of detail in them then you really notice the extent to which the GW Chaos Black fills in details.
Check your local hardware store and see if you can find black automotive primer. Its very fine (as in the texture and density of the paint), covers well, and, most importantly, doesn't fill in details on your figs.
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Though it seems like GW changed the mix slightly when I bought a new can last month. It still works fine. But when you first spray the figures it looks thick but dries ok.
GW did indeed change the Chaos Black that is available in North America. For years I used it and wondered why people in the UK and Europe would curse about the quality of it. Then GW changed the formulation for the Chaos Black available in North America and I found out why :-)
The Chaos Black really fills in now. It also has a habit of not bonding correctly with some metal figs and having the paint slough off the high points and fill in the details of the fig.
Nasty, nasty stuff now.
I had two cans of it and was too cheap to get rid of it so I had to use it sparingly and then cover in the figure fully with a black wash.
I know several people that had to strip figs that were primed with the new formula Chaos Black. Local GWs here were getting constant calls for people looking for the old cans of Chaos Black. No luck sadly :-)
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... GW did indeed change the Chaos Black that is available in North America. For years I used it and wondered why people in the UK and Europe would curse about the quality of it. Then GW changed the formulation for the Chaos Black available in North America and I found out why :-)...
I was wondering why I have so much troubles lately with my GW black “primer”… Now I know why!
For people living in Canada I would suggest using a grey primer that I find at Canadian Tire… I can see no brand name on the can as it just say Primer on one side and Apprêt on the other. It’s a great product that cover well and the last can I bought cost me 5.00$ (against 15.00$ for GW) and this is for the same quantity of primer.
The Chaos Black really fills in now. It also has a habit of not bonding correctly with some metal figs and having the paint slough off the high points and fill in the details of the fig.
Nasty, nasty stuff now.
I had two cans of it and was too cheap to get rid of it so I had to use it sparingly and then cover in the figure fully with a black wash.
ALL the figures that I sprayed with GW black HAD to receive a black paint wash too (using Tamiya’s Flat Black) to cover the area were the primer didn’t hold!
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I think I'll start looking for car primers ;)
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I have used car primer for 30 years and never had any problems. Halfords sell it in the UK for about £5-£6 for 300ml and its decent stuff but I always co with Tetrosyl/Holts etc. from independant carspares shops - 400ml for £2.25 (probably the same stuff as like GW Halfords definately do not can their own)
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I was wondering why I have so much troubles lately with my GW black “primer”… Now I know why!
For people living in Canada I would suggest using a grey primer that I find at Canadian Tire… I can see no brand name on the can as it just say Primer on one side and Apprêt on the other. It’s a great product that cover well and the last can I bought cost me 5.00$ (against 15.00$ for GW) and this is for the same quantity of primer
Thanks for the advice. I have used Krylon White primer from Canadian Tire for years without problems.
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Just got myself a pot of Liquitex gesso, based on the praise it's gotten in this very thread. If it is not holding up to said praise, some of you people should be expecting lawsuits. ;)