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Other Stuff => The Lead Painters' League => Season 5 => Topic started by: Captain Blood on January 31, 2011, 10:59:47 PM
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LPL5 Rules
Participants
Obviously as it’s a ‘league’ we need an even number of participants, so that each round will see an equal number of matches. Due to the software used to manage the league pairings, we will no longer be able to accept any new participants after the first round.
So if you intend to take part, you MUST submit an entry in time for the first round, i.e. by 12.00 GMT on Saturday 12 March 2011.
Duration
The league will run for a total of 10 rounds, with each round taking one week of real time. The intention is that these rounds will run consecutively over a 10 week period - although we know from past experience that sometimes real life gets in the way. So don’t be too surprised if there is a hiatus of a week or two here or there!
Entries
Participants will enter pictures of their ‘teams’.
A team consists of a number of painted figures - at least five, but more if you wish. The ‘team’ must follow a common theme. For example, you might enter a cowboy posse, but not Masai led by a Silver Age Superhero or German Fallschirmjägers led by Indiana Jones. Other than that, a ‘team’ might be a ‘posse’, ‘squad’, ‘gang’, ‘group’ or even a ‘regiment’ – the sky’s pretty much the limit.
To recap - at least five figures following a single, distinct theme.
The team must represent a homogenous group - not antagonists from the same period. It's supposed to be a team.
The entry should not be an out-and-out collage of individual pictures, but primarily a ‘group shot’ of the team, in either scenic setting or against a plain backdrop, as you prefer. You may add closeups or cutaways of small aspects, like faces, equipment, etc. and / or show different angles of the same figures (front and rear view for instance). But the main focus of the image must be on ‘the team’.
You are NOT allowed to post pictures of your team elsewhere on the LAF while the team is active in the LPL. Only after that team has ceased competing.
How to enter
All entries must be emailed as jpeg attachments to lpleague3@yahoo.co.uk and must meet a previously-specified deadline - namely 12.00 GMT on the Saturday before the ensuing round opens on Sunday.
Each entry should consist of an image not exceeding 800x800 pixels. All competitors must resize their own images before submitting them. This means they can be uploaded straight into the competition pages without any work in photoshop. Your images can be smaller than this if you like - but not bigger. If you don’t know how to resize images, please ask someone before the competition gets underway.
Painting
All figures must be completely painted, and all bases must be finished. We ONLY accept pictures of finished models, ‘work in progress’ (WIP) shots are NOT allowed.
Scale
There are no scale restrictions. From 2mm to 120mm and beyond - anything goes.
Of course, the scale should be consistent within the team, although you might enter different teams in different scales, and there might be some leeway for scales within teams (for example including a larger-scale figure as a ‘giant’ in a group of otherwise smaller-scale figures - just make sure all figures follow a consistent theme).
Composition of the Team
The only thing NOT acceptable as part of a team is any type of terrain, which may only be used as a backdrop for your entry.
Other than that, you may enter any assembly of miniatures, including humans, aliens, monsters, animals, robots, vehicles, ships, aircraft, spacecraft etc., or a combination thereof - for example a team of humans and animals or of humans and a vehicle (or multiple vehicles). The ONLY stipulation being that the team must follow a consistent theme.
Note: Mounted figures (i.e. mount and rider) count as one figure for the purposes of the competition. In other words, a team of cavalry must consist of 5 or more horses and riders.
League Tables
All results will be collected in a ‘League Table’, updated after each round to show the prevailing state of the championship.
Matches
In each round, a number of matches will be held. In each match, two randomly-determined participants will face each other, the winner being determined by public vote in a Poll linked to the respective match.
Depending on the number of votes cast, participants receive League Points.
Points
There are four ways of accumulating points in the Lead Painters’ League:
1. Points for winning, drawing or losing a match
2. Vote bonus points – the more votes you get, the more points you get
3. New team bonus points – get extra points for every new team you enter
4. Theme round bonus points – get points for painting a team to a set theme
1. Points for winning, drawing or losing a match
If the difference between overall votes cast for either competitor is five or less, the match is considered a draw and both participants receive 20 points.
If the difference between votes is six or more, the participant who received more votes is considered the winner and receives 30 points, whereas his opponent, the loser receives 10 points.
However, since it isn´t a knock-out system, losing a round will NOT mean you have to leave the league, just a drop in the league table! If you put on a good show in the following rounds, you may still claw your way back to the top.
2. Vote Bonus Points
In addition to points allocated for winning, drawing or losing, participants also receive ‘vote bonus points’ dependent on the number of votes cast for their entry in any given round.
For this, the total number of votes cast for the participant is divided by 10, the result being the number of vote bonus points the participant receives, ranging from 0 (9 votes or less) to a maximum of 15 (150 votes or more).
3. ‘New Team’ Bonus Points and Replacement Teams
You do NOT have to enter a new team in every new Round, but you are ALLOWED to do so.
You may compete with a single team for the whole season: even if a team should lose a match, it will NOT be dismissed from the competition. Note however, that you receive 10 bonus points for every NEWLY-PAINTED (PREVIOUSLY UNPUBLISHED) team you enter.
Again, bonus points will be scored for newly-painted teams - which means previously unpublished ones. In other words, groups of figures which have not been shown before, either here or on other internet forums. You can enter ‘old’ teams if you like - but if they’ve been pictured online or in print before - no bonus points.
Please tell me when you send your entry if it’s a ‘new’ team or an ‘old’ one.
In round one, bonus points will NOT be earned for entering a new team in the league because everyone is entering a new team into the start of the League - even if some of those teams were not 'newly painted'.
From Round Two onward, bonus points will be awarded for entering a new team which is newly painted (or previously unpublished)
Please also clearly state the name of your team / entry. Please try not to make the titles of teams too long. They all have to be typed in by hand as each match is set up. And there is only a certain field size available for the title of each match. Do me a favour and keep the titles short as you can please :)
It’s perfectly acceptable to use one team for the whole season, although that’s not really in the spirit of the league.
Participants may enter new teams between rounds, but NOT during a round.
Withdrawals
Once you've entered a team and the competition is running, withdrawal from the league part-way through is not permitted. If you decide you no longer want to take an active part (by entering new teams, for instance), that's entirely your decision. But your most recently entered team will still carry on being matched in any remaining rounds of the league. Alternatively, you can nominate one of your earlier teams to see out the rest of the competition.
What you can't do, is demand to end your participation altogether.
(Well, you can demand it, but it won't happen :D)
4. Theme Bonus Rounds
Rounds 1, 5 and 10 will be ‘theme bonus rounds’, in which participants may enter teams that follow a previously-determined theme. If they meet the theme, they will be awarded a bonus of "x" points.
For LPL5 we have taken up what seemed to be some of the more popular suggestions made by LAF members in the thread here: http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=18831.0
Round 1 bonus theme: Civilians and bystanders
Pretty straightforward - for round 1, LPL5, paint a team of five or more non-combatant civilians or bystanders, and gain 10 bonus points.
The subject can be historical, pseudo-historical, fantasy, sci-fi or imaginary – whatever you like. But they must be unarmed civilians.
Round 5 bonus theme: Africa
Again, pretty straightforward. Anything African, from Ancient Egypt or Numidia, all the way through to the Afrika Korps, Mogadishu and everything in between - including subjects like Zulus, Boers, colonial forces and so on.
I do appreciate this is tough on pure sci-fi and fantasy enthusiasts - but them’s the breaks. In previous LPLs, we’ve had plenty of non-historical bonus round themes (zombies, VSF etc) which I’ve had to grit my teeth and paint! ;)
So…
Paint a team of five or more miniatures with a plausible African connection, and gain 10 bonus points.
Paint a team of five or more miniatures with a plausible African connection and include a second team of five or more miniatures portraying their opponents, and gain 20 bonus points.
Round 10, grand finale bonus theme: Scenes (or teams) from famous movies!
Now this is slightly tricky because one person’s definition of a famous movie may not be the same as the next person’s.
So to be clear, by ‘a famous movie’, we mean a movie which a majority of LAFers would have seen, heard of, or come across. You’re just going to have to play by the spirit of the rules on this one.
If you submit a team and claim it represents a well-known scene or group from a movie which neither The Prof or I have heard of, then you won’t get the bonus points. The Moderators’ decision is final.
I’m sure everyone understands what is intended by this theme, so please try to paint an entry which lives up to the theme, rather than trying to find ways around it!
Paint a team of five or more miniatures representing a recognisable scene or group from a famous movie, and gain 10 bonus points.
Paint a team of five or more miniatures representing a recognisable scene or group from a famous movie, and include a second team of five or more miniatures portraying their opponents, and gain 20 bonus points.
Paint a team of five or more miniatures representing a recognisable scene or group from a famous movie, include a second team portraying their opponents, and include a vehicle, large animal, creature, or piece of scenery specific to that movie*, and gain 30 bonus points.
* Note this is an exception to the usual rule that terrain cannot count as part of an entry, only serve as a backdrop. For the purposes of bonus points in round 10, a recognisable piece of scenery specific to the movie concerned will qualify for the extra bonus points.
The Championship Title
After the final round of the league (round 10), the winner will be the participant who collected the greatest number of League Points. Should two participants have scored an equal number of League Points, we´ll hold ‘paint-offs’ - but probably, this will not be necessary.
The first three places will be awarded Gold, Silver and Bronze status and will receive a special notation to their LAF account and post info.
Timings, Registration and Deadlines
In a change to previous LPLs, each of the 10 rounds of matches will generally commence on Sunday afternoon / evening (or exceptionally on the following Monday morning). It really depends on the time I have available between all sorts of other stuff. But I’m afraid it’s not possible to commit that it will always be at the same time every Sunday night or Monday morning. If it has to be earlier in the day on Sunday, then it will have to be.
The first round of the first season will start on Sunday March 13th, 2011.
Entries to any round must be received by 12.00 GMT on the Saturday before the next round opens on Sunday / Monday.
Which means that you have until 12.00 GMT on Saturday 12 March 2011, to get your round 1 entry in at lpleague3@yahoo.co.uk
Please don’t submit entries before Sunday 27 February as I will not be checking the mailbox before that date and you won’t get an acknowledgement.
Entry Deadlines and Round Durations for the Season Four will be:
Round 1 Saturday March 12
Round 2 Saturday March 19
Round 3 Saturday March 26
Round 4 Saturday April 2
Round 5 Saturday April 9
Round 6 Saturday April 16
Round 7 Saturday April 23
Round 8 Saturday April 30
Round 9 Saturday May 7
Round 10 Saturday May 14
Please also note that if life, work and other commitments get in the way, it's possible that once the competition is up and running, there may be one or two interruptions to the smooth flow of the rounds - which may delay subsequent rounds by a week or two. I'll try to avoid this, but it may become necessary.
But hopefully not. We’ll see… ;)
PLEASE USE THIS RULES THREAD ONLY FOR QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATIONS ON THE RULES.
FOR GENERAL COMMENT ON LPL5, PLEASE USE THE GENERAL LPL5 THREAD http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=25906.0
Thanks.
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All good stuff and I like the bonus rounds, interesting subjects and should get the grey cells working.
One question though, this years LPL is number 5 but the e-mail is number three? I'm assuming this is intentional.
cheers
James
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Sounds good.
Like most of the bonus rounds.
I will need to think about it though.
Not 100% sure whether to do it this year or not ???
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Well, I'm definately in. My goal is ten fresh entries, although they'll probably be pretty darn straightforward. I have two out of the three bonus rounds figured out--one of them meshed perfectly with an entry I was planning anyway--but that movie round actually has me stymied. I might have to spend time that should have been spent painting, watching movies instead.
Thanks to Alex, Captain Blood and Ray Rivers for making it happen.
Captain, may I suggest that you lock the other announcement thread, so we can concentrate our discussion in only one thread.
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Do vehicles count as one of the five figures, or do they count as terrain?
I would assume that a bike, for example, would count as a horse, but what about a car?
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Froggy from above
Composition of the Team
The only thing NOT acceptable as part of a team is any type of terrain, which may only be used as a backdrop for your entry.
Other than that, you may enter any assembly of miniatures, including humans, aliens, monsters, animals, robots, vehicles, ships, aircraft, spacecraft etc., or a combination thereof - for example a team of humans and animals or of humans and a vehicle (or multiple vehicles). The ONLY stipulation being that the team must follow a consistent theme.
Note: Mounted figures (i.e. mount and rider) count as one figure for the purposes of the competition. In other words, a team of cavalry must consist of 5 or more horses and riders.
This bit might explain
of humans and a vehicle (or multiple vehicles). The ONLY stipulation being that the team must follow a consistent theme.
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I'm looking forward to this,thanks Capt.,Prof and Ray :D
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Already a big thank you to the organising holy trinity Prof/Cap/Ray!
I really like the stipulation on the constructive comments. This will keep the lesser gifted painters (like me) motivated to keep sending in new entries and thus learn new things. If the LPL will be half as much fun as last edition it will already be a succes!
Good bonusrounds too. The film round will see fantastic entries, with all the creative minds here! Looking forward too it!
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I'll definitely be in! I love all three bonus round ideas, and I have enough of a backlog of unpainted and painted-but-never-seen stuff to take me though most of the LPL!
I've even got a batch of Pulp Figures civvies just leaving the painting table (finally!) that'll do perfectly for the 1st round bonus. Excellent!
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One question though, this years LPL is number 5 but the e-mail is number three? I'm assuming this is intentional.
I was wondering who was going to be first to spot that. Well done Pike ;)
It's the mailbox I used for entries in LPL3 - there didn't seem much point opening another email account just for the sake of a digit :)
Do vehicles count as one of the five figures, or do they count as terrain?
I would assume that a bike, for example, would count as a horse, but what about a car?
'Single rideable' things like bikes and horses with a rider on board count as one figure.
Vehicles (cars, vans, trucks, wagons, etc) can count as separate team members.
You are also free to include vehicles and so on as part of any scenic setting or backdrop of course.
Captain, may I suggest that you lock the other announcement thread, so we can concentrate our discussion in only one thread.
Thanks Jason, I understand why you've suggested that, but my intention was that specific queries about the rules should be added to this thread, and general chit-chat about the season in general be added to the other, so for the time being I'll leave them both open. But I will add something to that effect to each of the threads.
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Thanks Jason, I understand why you've suggested that, but my intention was that specific queries about the rules should be added to this thread, and general chit-chat about the season in general be added to the other, so for the time being I'll leave them both open.
Good move.
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OK!
This time I'm in too.
Marco
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Well... I will give it my best shot boys to do the sums correctly but be advised that math was never one of my strengths. 8)
So I advise everyone to calculate their scores after each round and if you see any problem with the totals, let me know immediately and I will do a double check.
Also....
Regarding vehicles... if I remember correctly, while a vehicle may count as a member of the team, I do believe it was ruled in the past, that a rider on the vehicle did not. Kinda like a cavalryman. So if you have a M113 with a machine gunner in a turret, that is ONE member of the team and not two.
But I shall, of course, allow the good Captain to weigh in here so that things are perfectly clear.
Anyway, good luck to all, and looking forward to another Great Show! ;D
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Regarding vehicles... if I remember correctly, while a vehicle may count as a member of the team, I do believe it was ruled in the past, that a rider on the vehicle did not. Kinda like a cavalryman. So if you have a M113 with a machine gunner in a turret, that is ONE member of the team and not two.
Yes, how Ray says, a vehicle counts as a member. The driver not. A second driver (third, fourth,...) would count ( as long it's not just a head sticking out from a gap).
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wonderful!
I think I will join the competition.
Damn, I have to start...NOW! :o :o
Faber
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Round 10 is going to be quite a challenge. Looking forward to seeing the entries.
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Round 10 is going to be quite a challenge. Looking forward to seeing the entries.
Figure requests coming to a Bazaar near you lol
cheers
James
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Figure requests coming to a Bazaar near you lol
Seriously! I pledge to do my best to help participants get the minis they need for LPL entries.
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Yeah! I’ve got the figures for round 1 and 5 8)
I can think of a few movie scenes that would look great in figures and I can think of figures that could be use for movie scenes but nothing come up that would include the two yet… lol
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I can think of a few movie scenes that would look great in figures and I can think of figures that could be use for movie scenes but nothing come up that would include the two yet… lol
Likewise... although I could probably manage a scene from The Mummy with a minimum of painting. Need to get the DVD back out of the library and watch it again...
Would a safari party count for "Africa"?
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Would a safari party count for "Africa"?
I would say safaris are African. ...Unless it's a whale safari in the Arctic, obviously ;)
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question: does a bloodbowl team count for civilian theme?
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Perhaps this could be files as 'common sense' situation but I thought I would ask:
there are some very nice hunting party civilians out there. Cptn Blood specifies bystanders as 'unarmed civilians' but I am thinking they would be allowed to? Or am I misunderstanding the idea of purpose of the theme?
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Question about Bonus Round 10: What about a well known TV show? And I mean well known.
I would also like to second Hammers' query about civilians... ;)
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More than a month before it even starts and already folks are trying to wriggle out of the bonus rounds' clear rules. LPL never changes! lol
I had to paint crap I didn't want to if I wanted the points when I was in the LPL, and so should you! :)
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Just to confirm, I can enter stuff that I am showing on LAF etc as a WIP scratchbuild etc as long as I don't show it painted.
Also, can such WIP threads go up to undercoat stage or is all paint prohibited?
Sorry to ask but I use the LPL to eat into the painting for existing projects and so plan to be building and undercoating right up to a week before the first entry is due in.
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Ooooooooooh questions questions ;)
question: does a bloodbowl team count for civilian theme?
If they are civilians and unarmed then they count. A civilian is someone not part of a uniformed military or paramilitary organisation, or part of a non-uniformed paramilitary organisation (in other words, resistance fighters or partizans would not count as civilians - hence also the 'unarmed' bit).
there are some very nice hunting party civilians out there. Cptn Blood specifies bystanders as 'unarmed civilians' but I am thinking they would be allowed to? Or am I misunderstanding the idea of purpose of the theme?
Unarmed, as per the above point. Non-combatants. Bystanders. The intent is civilian extras, not armed protagonists.
Question about Bonus Round 10: What about a well known TV show? And I mean well known.
lol Sorry - famous movies only! (Maybe we'll do TV shows in LPL6!)
Just to confirm, I can enter stuff that I am showing on LAF etc as a WIP scratchbuild etc as long as I don't show it painted.
Also, can such WIP threads go up to undercoat stage or is all paint prohibited?
Yes, if you want bonus points for a newly painted (i.e. previously unpublished) team, that team - or members of it - should not have previously been shown in a painted state on LAF or elsewhere. If you have previously shown the figures concerned as WIP conversions (up to undercoated stage), that's fine. As long as you haven't shown the painted figures before, they will qualify as a newly painted team.
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Ooooooooooh questions questions ;)
Of course ;)
A small question about Round 5, the Africa round. The antagonists can be from anywhere as long as they have a connection with the African five, yes?
cheers
James
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A small question about Round 5, the Africa round. The antagonists can be from anywhere as long as they have a connection with the African five, yes?
... yerrsss
African Samurai are going to be a stretch though James ;)
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... yerrsss
African Samurai are going to be a stretch though James ;)
Sounds plausible as long as you include African Texians..... :D
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... yerrsss
African Samurai are going to be a stretch though James ;)
Shit! :(
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Would a unit of Union ACW African-American count for round 5?
… I’m just kidding ;)
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Would a unit of Union ACW African-American count for round 5?
Good point ;)
I will be researching about the Japanese in Africa you know ;D
cheers
James
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Yes, if you want bonus points for a newly painted (i.e. previously unpublished) team, that team - or members of it - should not have previously been shown in a painted state on LAF or elsewhere. If you have previously shown the figures concerned as WIP conversions (up to undercoated stage), that's fine. As long as you haven't shown the painted figures before, they will qualify as a newly painted team.
I'm sorry to need clarification on what seems like it should be an obvious point.
I have published a photo of some partly-painted figures. However, they're not finished. If I finish them can I count them as a newly painted team? Or does the fact that I've painted them at all beyond the undecoat count as 'painted'?
The reason I ask is that 'WIP' figures can't be counted as entries, so I have to alter them to submit them (they're not highlighted or based for instance). So the photos I have of them (already published) wouldn't be admissable for the competition. That kind of implies that they shouldn't be able to preclude me from the competition either... but I'm not really clear on that.
The subsidiary point about them being both unarmed and 'extras' is something I should probably just keep quiet about. Honestly, I intend them to stand in the background and not be a team of investigators at all...
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I'm sorry to need clarification on what seems like it should be an obvious point.
I have published a photo of some partly-painted figures. However, they're not finished. If I finish them can I count them as a newly painted team? Or does the fact that I've painted them at all beyond the undecoat count as 'painted'?
That kind of implies that they shouldn't be able to preclude me from the competition either... but I'm not really clear on that.
It doesn't preclude you from the competion, it only means you don't get the bonus points. You still get the point for win/loose/draw and the vote points.
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Correctimundo.
You can quite happily enter teams which have been published / shown online before - but they won't be eligible for 'newly painted' bonus points.
Maybe it would help to explain a bit more about the idea behind this?
The LPL is partly about encouraging people to paint more figures, or figures they might otherwise not have bothered painting.
So there's an incentive for bringing newly painted stuff to the table in each round.
That's what we'd like. But it's not mandatory. In short:
Newly painted teams = bonus points
Old stuff = no bonus points
Not sure I want to worry about what exactly constitutes 'newly painted' and different degrees of 'previously shown'. We could end up with rules about rules about rules. The sentiment, I'd hope, is clear enough, so I'd encourage participants to go with that :)
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Thanks Mac, and thanks too Captain Blood.
It really doesn't help if I'm unclear when I'm seeking clarification does it? The perils of brain working faster than hands...
I meant preclude me entering them as a new team, not precluding me entering them at all. But then I noticed this anyway...
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In round one, bonus points will NOT be earned for entering a new team in the league because everyone is entering a new team into the start of the League - even if some of those teams were not 'newly painted'.
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As it's my civilians (ie round 1) that I'm talking about I guess it doesn't matter so much! This might actually spur me on to finishing them...
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I'm going to try to make it in tis time round! May even get a few bonus points along the way!
Not that I'll win, but what the hell! :D
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I'm up for it this year, having missed last years. I like the opening round Civillians. I think I have some knocking around somewhere.
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I'm up for this. Am i being thick but other than the 3 specified rounds, are we free to paint whatever we want for the rest?
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I'm up for this. Am i being thick but other than the 3 specified rounds, are we free to paint whatever we want for the rest?
Yup. And you can paint any team you like to any theme you like in any of the rounds, but obviously would miss out on the extra points up for grabs in the bonus rounds, if you choose not to go with the bonus round theme :)
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Are there eligibility rules regarding stock commercial figures versus mods or original sculpts?
I ask because although it's clear (IMO) that one wouldn't get points or anything like that for mods or original sculpts (this being a painting contest), I would like to know if they're eligible, in the event that one might need to do such work to round out a team.
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Any figures you like, bought, converted or made.
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Also, from my personal experience, well-executed and unusual entries tend to to get more votes than "run-of-the-mill" ones. So, a clever conversion or sculpt may just be the thing that tips a hung decision for some voters.
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Been fancying having ago at this to encourage the brush use!
One question, if we have models that have been shown of the LAF fully painted, but we would like to strip them and paint team a fresh is that allowed?
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One question, if we have models that have been shown of the LAF fully painted, but we would like to strip them and paint team a fresh is that allowed?
Yes, it's allowed.
Don't forget though, you can enter 'old' (i.e. previously shown) teams of figures. They just won't get bonus points as 'newly painted' entries.
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Is it sad that I already have my Round 10 idea sorted!!? lol
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Yes, it's allowed.
Don't forget though, you can enter 'old' (i.e. previously shown) teams of figures. They just won't get bonus points as 'newly painted' entries.
Ahh, so if it is stripped and repainted it can get bonus points as a newly painted entry?
I am only asking stupid questions as my painting feels like it has got better, now I am trying some new things, and some of the stuff that would fit in to the Africa round could do with some fresh paint!
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I'm very tempted - but am afraid that with my current busy-ness (new baby!) I wouldn't be able to keep up with the weekly deadlines...
What would happen if a deadline is missed?
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I'm very tempted - but am afraid that with my current busy-ness (new baby!) I wouldn't be able to keep up with the weekly deadlines...
What would happen if a deadline is missed?
You only need to make sure you get the entry for round 1 in. Then you can forfeit the new entry bonus for the successive rounds at your own pleasure.
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If you take no action yourself, your entry from the previous week rolls over and competes again. I believe if you have nothing new you may pick any of your previous ones to compete, though. I don't think it has to be the last one.
Nothing is lost except you won't get the bonus points for a new entry, and if I'm honest, I think repeat entries do tend to suffer a little in the voting.
Edit: Hammers beat me to it! :)
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Nothing is lost except you won't get the bonus points for a new entry, and if I'm honest, I think repeat entries do tend to suffer a little in the voting.
I did beat you to it but I think that if getting good scores is important to you (as in the person it concerns) the above aspect needs to be stressed.
I have in the past gotten a fair amount of points for a repeat entry over a few weeks but experience tells us that it won't put one in the top ranks in the long run.
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Thanks guys - to be honest, with my painting I won't be getting into the top ranks anyway!
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Thanks guys - to be honest, with my painting I won't be getting into the top ranks anyway!
Nonsense! You are much too modest! :)
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Another couple of quick questions if that's ok
- previously shown work
Does it count as being previously shown if it's only appeared on a blog that nobody reads :'(
I suspect the answer is yes, but if I enter I'm going to need all the bonus points I can get :D
- film scenes
If it was on TV before becoming a film, but they redesigned some of the characters for the film (not an improvement, but that's a different thread), are we allowed to submit the original characters, or must they be the film ones?
Thanks
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Another couple of quick questions if that's ok
- previously shown work
Does it count as being previously shown if it's only appeared on a blog that nobody reads :'(
I suspect the answer is yes, but if I enter I'm going to need all the bonus points I can get :D
- film scenes
If it was on TV before becoming a film, but they redesigned some of the characters for the film (not an improvement, but that's a different thread), are we allowed to submit the original characters, or must they be the film ones?
Thanks
I am 99% sure Cptn Blood will tell you that "yes, it counts". Remember that the original purpose of the LPL was to shrink your backlog. (also known as the lead pile).
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@Hammers - that's what I suspect.
I have to admit though, that the notion of the lead pile "shrinking" just seems wrong to me. That would imply that I paint more than I buy - and where would the fun be in that lol
edit : Couldn't find this when I first looked http://www.larryleadhead.org/bonus_car1.html (http://www.larryleadhead.org/bonus_car1.html), but it warns of the danger of shrinking the lead pile - perhaps the contest should carry a health warning :)
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I have one question regarding previously shown stuff.
If i take a picture of, let's say 10 Miniatures, 5 of which have beenn shown before. Would this still count as a new entry? Because i could have just left the previously shown out and it would definitely be a new entry.
That's especially interesting for my planned movie entry.
Thanks for an answer.
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Thank you for the questions :)
Most of the questions so far, here and by PM, seem to have been about the 'new team' bonus points and the 'Movie round'.
So let me put it as simply as I can.
1. If you include any figures in a 'newly painted' team, which have been previously shown anywhere, ever, in print or online, then that team is not, by definition, newly painted for the LPL, and so will not qualify for bonus points.
2. A movie is a feature film which has normally had a cinematic release, although occasionally they do go straight to DVD. If your round 10 entry is portraying characters or a scene from a movie, whether or not that movie was based on a TV series, then it will qualify for theme bonus points. Feature length TV episodes are not movies. It has to be a movie that most people would have seen / heard of, not something totally obscure.
I hope that clears those points up :)
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Well I think I'm in to take another thumping. Got most rounds already planned. Just need to figure out what I am going to do for round 10.
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I'll certianly try to take part, although being at uni probably means I won't be able to have something new out every round.
The film one'll be tricky. Might just repost my A-Team figures and hope no-one notices. ::)
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May you use miniatures that have been shown on your blog as WIP?
Greets,
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May you use miniatures that have been shown on your blog as WIP?
Greets,
To undercoated stage only.
The problem is, if we say we allow partially painted figures to count as new, where do you draw the line?
So I'm afraid it has to be, if the figures have been shown anywhere before, even part painted, then they do not qualify for 'newly painted' bonus points.
Please gents, help me out here, this is becoming a little tiring! Just paint some new figures would you, and stop trying to figure out ways of using your old stuff! ;)
:)
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I think maybe that for some of us, the lead mountain is already too daunting and not properly painted enough, so rather than getting new figures and painting them from scratch, we'd rather find a way of using some of the figures that we've started and not finished. It's not about using old stuff, it's about not starting yet another project when we have so many uncompleted.
Or maybe it's only me that has hundreds of partly painted minis lying about...
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To undercoated stage only.
The problem is, if we say we allow partially painted figures to count as new, where do you draw the line?
So I'm afraid it has to be, if the figures have been shown anywhere before, even part painted, then they do not qualify for 'newly painted' bonus points.
Please gents, help me out here, this is becoming a little tiring! Just paint some new figures would you, and stop trying to figure out ways of using your old stuff! ;)
:)
Sorry, for tiring you but's only a pitty that I've posted my partially painted African bearers on my blog which can serve for both the first bonus round and the fifth. Being a student I don't have a massive amount of unpainted lead, stashed away in the darkest corners of my dwelling :)
Greets, and again sorry for the inconvience.
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Sorry, for tiring you but's only a pitty that I've posted my partially painted African bearers on my blog which can serve for both the first bonus round and the fifth.
Actually, it's either/or as to the rounds. If you showed them for the civilian round, they wouldn't qualify as "new" for the fifth round and therefore wouldn't incur the bonus.
The thing is that there should not be a precedent, and previous experience shows that some take every opportunity to kick up a ruckus about perceived injustices.
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The intent of the rules is clear enough. Newly painted teams, which have not been previously shown in a painted or part painted state (in which case, they would by definition, not be newly painted for the LPL) get 'newly painted' team bonus points.
I sympathize if you have piles of half-painted figures lying around which you have previously published. If you finish them, you can of course enter them in the LPL, but they don't qualify for newly painted bonus points if they are not genuinely newly painted. That's the rule.
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Not that I expect to win. But if I have something lets say a Bloodbowl team I've never shown on Lead Adventure forum, but may have been photographed somewhere else by someone, but obviously not the official five, say in-game shots or whatever, is that OK?
Do Bloodbowl players count as non-combatants, they don't have guns or melee weapons. ;-)
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Is the LPL's rule interpretation always this traumatic? o_o
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Is the LPL's rule interpretation always this traumatic? o_o
Where have you been the last four years? lol
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Is the LPL's rule interpretation always this traumatic? o_o
Increasingly so.... ::)
Just take 5 (or more) minatures, paint, photograph, repeat 9 times. Its not rocket surgery. ;)
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I must note, though, that this year I am under the impression that people display a certain troll-like perseverance in asking, essentially, the same question over and over again.
Seriously, I thought I worded that cleary in the rules, and Richard defined "painted and previously shown" as "beyond the undercoat stage".
Also, some people don't seem to understand that having shown them previously elsewhere does NOT make figures ineligible for the competition. It just means you won't get the 10 "New Team" bonus points, or the "Theme" bonus points for the special rounds. I suspect people overestimate the importance of these bonus points. Personally, I think the major advantage of having an "unseen" entry for a round is that it increases your winning chances due to the novelty factor.
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But if I have something lets say a Bloodbowl team I've never shown on Lead Adventure forum, but may have been photographed somewhere else by someone, but obviously not the official five, say in-game shots or whatever, is that OK?
Strictly, according to the rules, no. Although if you have one or two figures which have inadvertently been snapped 'in-game' and posted somewhere else, and you include those in your LPL team, then I can't imagine anyone is going to notice or object.
Do Bloodbowl players count as non-combatants, they don't have guns or melee weapons. ;-)
But they are combatants in the game, right? Not bystanders. And as part of a uniformed team, not strictly civilian either. So on balance, that's a no.
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I'll try to take part this time and I think it'll be easiest to just go ahead and paint something. I might have the advantage of having lots of... decently... painted models around which I've never photographed before. I'll try to paint new models but I'm sure, one or two older models will slip in. Oh, and since I'm planning on painting a few goblins or orcs from the Lord of the Rings range and have posted some battlereports with them before I hereby promise that the models I'll show here will all be newly painted ones. Trust me, it's me... trust me anyway. ;)
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Its not rocket surgery. ;)
Good point; what if I was to paint a team of rocket surgeons? Would their various tools etc count as weapons? Does the rocket count as terrain or a model? Could I use them in the Africa round if I said they were flying to Africa?
:D
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Are my Zulus non-combatants if I don't glue the spears on? ;)
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Are my Zulus non-combatants if I don't glue the spears on? ;)
Given their military system and training, I would think every Zulu male would qualify as a combatant, regardless of whether or not they are armed. lol
But to expand that example, if you were to paint King Cetshwayo on his throne, with a gaggle of wives and those Swedish (?) mercenaries from "Zulu" barely hiding their discomfort at his heathen ways, that would be a very nice one and certain of my vote. ;)
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Don't make me come over there...
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I still got a few weeks. I must have some fall back minis that are eligible... I think I'm going to largely ignore the bonus rounds as what I own is what I'm going to be painting. I predict a lot of GW models, Chaos and Goblins mostly, plus maybe some space ships and pulp stuff plus say a group of WW1 Canadian Infantry men for the historical fans.
I'm not trying for 10 new teams, I think I need at least two weeks for a group of five. I still wish it was groups of four as that is what I'm used to...
Oh well, gotta clear out some backlog too before I can start on stuff for this competition. When in doubt paint goblins. ;-)
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Increasingly so.... ::)
Just take 5 (or more) minatures, paint, photograph, repeat 9 times. Its not rocket surgery. ;)
Thanks for that very clear statement, Overlord. It's astonishing (and a bit boring) what people are asking this year about a simple set of rules for a FUN painting competition.
:-I
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Browsing through the archives from Season 1-4 also can provide clarification for how the spirit of the LPL rules are intended. The rules are very simple; just look to what others have done in years past for various entries (including themed bonus rounds) They also provide some good inspiration!
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Or adopt a mental state of not looking at it as a competition, but as a charity event dedicated to your piles of lead (resin, white metal, plastic etc etc). In my case, at least 50 models will be worked on and finished out of 3000+ to go lol
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I'll apologise right now to those who aren't doing this, because not everyone is by any means. But some people are and I think they need to think about what they're doing.
I don't often get irritated by posts on LAF, but I have to say I am finding insinuations that people asking for clarifications of the rules are either stupid or somehow trying to cheat a bit annoying. I don't think that people who have entered before making somewhat snide remarks about those of us who haven't, is very much in the 'spirit' of either LPL or the Forum as a whole.
I think Captain Blood so far has explained the rules very simply. The problem though isn't that the explanations aren't simple, it's that the rules are not clear and logical.
Sure, those who have entered before know what to expect. The rest of us who are contemplating entering for the first time are trying to find out how things work. Perhaps it would have been better if we'd gone back over the old discussions about rules. But even doing that problems remain. The stipulations for entry seem inconsistent. From the rules:
Painting
All figures must be completely painted, and all bases must be finished. We ONLY accept pictures of finished models, ‘work in progress’ (WIP) shots are NOT allowed.
... groups of figures which have not been shown before, either here or on other internet forums. You can enter ‘old’ teams if you like - but if they’ve been pictured online or in print before - no bonus points.
So, these figures -
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm219/redorc01/IMG_0661.jpg)
- cannot be entered as a 'New Team'. Fair enough. But they can't be entered as an 'Old Team' either. I have to do more work on them because at the moment they're not elligible for entry as they are WIP. But despite the fact that I have to work on them to be able to enter them, any work I do will not count as 'new'. That doesn't really seem to make much sense to me. They are neither an 'Old Team' (because they're WIP) but they're not a 'New Team' either (because they have been published, even if it's in a condition for which they wouldn't be allowed into the competition).
Captain Blood asks 'where would we draw the line?' if it was allowed to enter previously seen minis. I'd suggest a more logical place to draw the line would be 'at the point it constitutes a legal entry for the LPL'.
The rule and its interpretation as they stand may be simple, but they are neither immediately clear nor logical.
Then of course there's another problem about pictures:
You are NOT allowed to post pictures of your team elsewhere on the LAF while the team is active in the LPL.
What if pictures of the team (eg this one) are already on the LAF? This isn't in the rules about new team bonuses, it's about elligibility of entries. Do I have to remove existing pictures from the LAF to have this entry considered? Or does this rule only count if I re-post pictures during the week of the competition? Or, if the entry is re-submitted in another round, the weeks it is submitted? Or all weeks between the begining of the first and the end of the last week, if I submit it in two or more non-consecutive weeks?
Because any image that contains recognisable images of members of the team is counted for the purposes of finding out if it's a 'new team', the WIP shot (even though it isn't a 'team' in terms of elligibility) can't be re-posted, if the rule about photos is consistent with the rule about new teams (of course, it might not be, it's not clear).
The simple explanation would be that I can't repost either that picture, or the new (not-WIP) picture, of the team, while the round(s) that I've entered with the team are running; but pictures I've already posted are fine, and posting a picture elsewhere on LAF during round 2 if I enter them for round 1 and round 3 for instance is OK. That's what the rules say anyway.
Again, open to a simple interpretation, but not either clear (because multiple interpretations are possible) or logical (because if the idea is that no images of the team exist outside of the comp, then why are images already posted allowed?)
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I am finding insinuations that people asking for clarifications of the rules are either stupid or somehow trying to cheat a bit annoying.
I have some sympathy for your view, Red Orc. People want to paint what they want to paint - so what? Others may be trying to figure out if their original and interesting idea will fit into the rules - hear hear. I don't think these cases should be treated as attempts at rules-shirking. Let's view them instead as attempts at generating new ideas. ;)
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It's okay to ask questions about the rules. That's why the thread is here. If there's something you genuinely don't understand - ask.
I'd suggest a more logical place to draw the line would be 'at the point it constitutes a legal entry for the LPL'.
I don't think this means you don't understand the rule, Red Orc - I think it means you don't agree with it.
Everyone's entitled to their opinion. But the rules aren't going to change. No one is forced to take part.
You are NOT allowed to post pictures of your team elsewhere on the LAF while the team is active in the LPL.
What if pictures of the team (eg this one) are already on the LAF?
Fair question - although you surely understand the intent of the rule?
If a contestant has a picture of a team in the LPL, it would not be fair to his opponent if he were allowed to post supporting pictures on another board. If however, he had previously posted pictures of the figures concerned, and subsequently entered these in the LPL, then that's allowed. In fact people have frequently entered teams composed of figures they have previously shown on LAF. So the rule is exactly right as it stands: You are not allowed to post pictures of your team elsewhere on the LAF while the team is active in the LPL. This may not seem 'logical', but the strict letter of the rules is secondary to the intent. And the intent is clear.
At the end of the day, it's probably possible to find fault with the letter of every rule. But the spirit of the rules is not going to change so it's really not worth trying to unpick them.
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Red Orc, Mancha..You two shall try to put yourself in the shoes of a LPL mod. We told often enough it's lots of work to make the league and the only reason we're doing - we're trying to generate some fun and to have some, too. It's fully understable if one mod is getting annoyed by the countless questions about how-I-manage-this-and-that. That's not a job, a mod doesn't earn any money, a mod only spends his personal time. Please try to understand that.
Red Orc, to the rules. Well, I'm impressed, you've put a lot of power, time and written words and split every hair to show us the gaps in the rules. Thank you. But I'm still of opinion the rules are good enough for this world and this forum. They did work in LPL1-4 and they will work in the LPL5. I won't change them. I just haven't enough time for that. It's a little fun contest, not World Cup or Constitution.
It's not the first time we're talking about the LPL rules. Every season it's another member who's discovering the fact that the rules are not-good. But it's me every time saying, these are my rules on my forum and they won't be changed.
Feel free to ask if you don't understand anything, we will help. But try to be positive and find a way to live with these rules. Just find the serenity to accept the things you cannot change :)
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rules questions
If it's any help, here's my interpretation of the wording of the rules and your questions:
So, these figures - cannot be entered as a 'New Team'.
Correct, new is "never seen before" and by the time the league is underway we have seen these before. That said, they can be entered as an old team and since they're civilians and propbably going to be entered in round 1 is doesn't matter, since round 1 has no bonus for new teams.
But they can't be entered as an 'Old Team' either. I have to do more work on them because at the moment they're not elligible for entry as they are WIP.
Correct, they need to be based. If this is your basing style and you consider these finished you could enter them as an old team (remember, this is my personal interpretation).
But despite the fact that I have to work on them to be able to enter them, any work I do will not count as 'new'.
Correct, and captain blood explained this before: where do you draw the line? Well, the line is drawn at "never seen before". If the line was drawn at "some work has been done since they were last seen" I could just repaint the bases of my previous entry to claim a 'new' bonus round after round. That's not a lot of fun for the viewer and not really the intent of a "paint a team a week" idea of the LPL. If you want to enter old models it's still fine of course, it's not the end of the world to not get the 'new' bonus.
What if pictures of the team (eg this one) are already on the LAF? This isn't in the rules about new team bonuses, it's about elligibility of entries.
I think captain blood and the professor clarified this: just don't post pictures of your team anywhere while they are competing in a round, not here, not on other fora pimping your entry. In previous LPL3 (the only one I so far contended in) I was always eager for the round to be over so I could post my entry on other fora 8)
The simple explanation would be that I can't repost either that picture, or the new (not-WIP) picture, of the team, while the round(s) that I've entered with the team are running; but pictures I've already posted are fine, and posting a picture elsewhere on LAF during round 2 if I enter them for round 1 and round 3 for instance is OK. That's what the rules say anyway.
Absolutely correct!
Edit: provided you entered an old team you could even post a lot of pictures before the round they were featured in asking people to vote on your entry. I doubt it will give you a lot of extra votes but you could. That said, these rules are of importance to new entries, which a lot of the entries are.
Again, open to a simple interpretation, but not either clear (because multiple interpretations are possible) or logical (because if the idea is that no images of the team exist outside of the comp, then why are images already posted allowed?)
I think there is a big difference between 'eligible for the comp' and a 'eligible for a new team bonus'. I could enter a new, or old picture of my undead army (plug):
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=25017.0
It would be eligible for the competition as it's a fully painted, based team. It's just not new so I wouldn't get any 'new' bonus points. Heck, I could post a picture of the whole army as an entry and it would be eligible for the competition, just not new.
That said, it is my experience that people tend to bias their votes to newly painted models (ooh shiny!), but of course what's old to you maybe new to someone else. If you finish these figures you may not get the 'new team bonus' (remember, there is no 'new team bonus' in round 1), but you still have something shiny to show the fellow adventurers!
Anyway, the idea of the competition to me is to paint a lot of models on a deadline in ten weeks. There is nothing to win and a lot of people enter, so it just means you can get a lot of stuff painted every week and you get to see a whole bunch of eye-candy every week!
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Just find the serenity to accept the things you cannot change :)
So sayth the Master to the grasshoppers. :D
Let's get some perspective.
I joined the LAF to participate in the last half of LPL2. Back then, that was allowed. I then participated in LPL3.
Here is what I learned.
The LPL is not a horse race. It is not about favorites, be that individuals or themes. It is actually not even about winning.
That is because the LPL is not a horse race, it is a marathon. And like a marathon entering into the LPL is a personal challenge. Now you will notice in a horse race, everybody is yelling for their favorite to win. But in a marathon, be they first or last, everyone receives cheers of encouragement and clapping in approval. On lookers do that because they realize that a marathon is not about winning, it is about making it to the finish line, because just to get to that finish line requires a person to give everything they've got just to get there. In fact, in every marathon that I have seen, the folks at the back receive just as much encouragement, if not more so, as those in the front.
Now of course, in the end, one individual will win the LPL. But I really encourage everyone to look much deeper into the contest and understand that the majority of those who enter do so not to be number one, but to put themselves to what can only be called the ultimate miniatures painting test. As such, negativity has no place in this competition.
Just like any marathon, we all need to be clapping and cheering ALL those folks forward. Because when you participate in the LPL, you enter into a grueling contest of self will. A contest of highs and lows. A contest which, when you pass that finish line, you sit back and say "I did it." And the immense sense of self satisfaction you feel at that point, you will never forget.
On a personal note, I did not participate in LPL4 because I was so exhausted after LPL3, that I just couldn't bear going through that again. But I have stated here on the forums that if I can get three teams ready before the start date I will join in once again. I must be out of my mind! But the challenge... the challenge, gentlemen, is so daunting, yet so alluring... it's not about the points, the score, who wins or loses (cause I will never win). It is about making it to that very, very distant finish line.
Cheers and good luck to all!
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Ray, your entries were insane, how many models did you average per entry, something like 12? :D
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Can I advertise the figures I intend to present in the LPL in the Bazaar before and during the LPL? Can they count as new team if I don’t post pictures of them in the Bazaar but only provide pictures (by PM or e-mails) to those interested? If not, I’ll simply try to present "entirely new" figures in the LPL…
Cheers 8)
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The LPL is not a horse race. It is not about favorites, be that individuals or themes. It is actually not even about winning.
That is because the LPL is not a horse race, it is a marathon. And like a marathon entering into the LPL is a personal challenge. Now you will notice in a horse race, everybody is yelling for their favorite to win. But in a marathon, be they first or last, everyone receives cheers of encouragement and clapping in approval. On lookers do that because they realize that a marathon is not about winning, it is about making it to the finish line, because just to get to that finish line requires a person to give everything they've got just to get there. In fact, in every marathon that I have seen, the folks at the back receive just as much encouragement, if not more so, as those in the front.
That captures the true meaning of the LPL!
Everybody who enters this deserves a round of applause ... even with bad paintjobs or crappy pictures they provide entertainment for the grey masses who themselves did not dare to enter!
So let's shut up about the rules and enjoy the spirit of LPL, wet your brushes and get ready for a "paintathon" lol
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and if we keep bugging the organisers like that they won't make a season 6 ... :'(
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Can I advertise the figures I intend to present in the LPL in the Bazaar before and during the LPL? Can they count as new team if I don’t post pictures of them in the Bazaar but only provide pictures (by PM or e-mails) to those interested? If not, I’ll simply try to present "entirely new" figures in the LPL…
Cheers 8)
As long as the pics of the painted minis won't be posted anywhere on the web before starting the Round, it's all right and they count as newly painted.
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Thanks Prof
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Ray, your entries were insane, how many models did you average per entry, something like 12? :D
Close to it. o_o
6 to 11 miniatures per round as I like to paint units, but in the end, I was so wasted I had to sit out one round and was too pooped to complete the 10 needed for the last round.
But I gave it my best and in the end... "I did it." ;)
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Red Orc, Mancha..You two shall try to put yourself in the shoes of a LPL mod. We told often enough it's lots of work to make the league and the only reason we're doing - we're trying to generate some fun and to have some, too. It's fully understable if one mod is getting annoyed by the countless questions about how-I-manage-this-and-that. That's not a job, a mod doesn't earn any money, a mod only spends his personal time. Please try to understand that.\
For the record, my comments were in no way directed at the LPL moderators, assuming those moderators are Captain Blood and Ray Rivers. They have both been extremely patient, gentelmanly and friendly, as is stated to be the intent of the LPL. And I have been in very similar shoes five times and know how much time and effort are required to run the LPL. My sincere thanks to both Captain Blood and Ray Rivers, and to you, Alex, for inventing and making the LPL possible year after year.
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Thank you for that statement, Mancha, and I apologize if I got your intention wrong.
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So sayth the Master to the grasshoppers. :D
Let's get some perspective.
I joined the LAF to participate in the last half of LPL2. Back then, that was allowed. I then participated in LPL3.
Here is what I learned.
The LPL is not a horse race. It is not about favorites, be that individuals or themes. It is actually not even about winning.
That is because the LPL is not a horse race, it is a marathon. And like a marathon entering into the LPL is a personal challenge. Now you will notice in a horse race, everybody is yelling for their favorite to win. But in a marathon, be they first or last, everyone receives cheers of encouragement and clapping in approval. On lookers do that because they realize that a marathon is not about winning, it is about making it to the finish line, because just to get to that finish line requires a person to give everything they've got just to get there. In fact, in every marathon that I have seen, the folks at the back receive just as much encouragement, if not more so, as those in the front.
Now of course, in the end, one individual will win the LPL. But I really encourage everyone to look much deeper into the contest and understand that the majority of those who enter do so not to be number one, but to put themselves to what can only be called the ultimate miniatures painting test. As such, negativity has no place in this competition.
Just like any marathon, we all need to be clapping and cheering ALL those folks forward. Because when you participate in the LPL, you enter into a grueling contest of self will. A contest of highs and lows. A contest which, when you pass that finish line, you sit back and say "I did it." And the immense sense of self satisfaction you feel at that point, you will never forget.
On a personal note, I did not participate in LPL4 because I was so exhausted after LPL3, that I just couldn't bear going through that again. But I have stated here on the forums that if I can get three teams ready before the start date I will join in once again. I must be out of my mind! But the challenge... the challenge, gentlemen, is so daunting, yet so alluring... it's not about the points, the score, who wins or loses (cause I will never win). It is about making it to that very, very distant finish line.
Cheers and good luck to all!
I was wavering as to whether to enter this year or not. After that speech how can I not :o
Do you write speeches for a living?
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Do you write speeches for a living?
lol
@Mancha... I'm not a mod... just "Santa's little helper." :)
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My whole motivation for joining the LPL is to paint enough figures to stay off the bottom rung. I don't really expect to win, although I don't mind winning a round or two. Just got ot keep painting & reduce the lead mountain.
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Please clarify.
Am I correct in believing that I can enter one team of figures for the whole competition?
Or do I HAVE TO have new teams for the themed competitions?
In summary I am planning on entering just one group and then seeing how it goes, I may enter a second if I have time - but for now it will just be one entry.
Tony
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Am I correct in believing that I can enter one team of figures for the whole competition?
Or do I HAVE TO have new teams for the themed competitions?
Yes, it's correct, you can enter one team for the whole season.
You don't have to enter new teames for the themed rounds.
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Please clarify.
Am I correct in believing that I can enter one team of figures for the whole competition?
Perfectly right.
Or do I HAVE TO have new teams for the themed competitions?
Only if you want to receive the thematic bonus points.
In summary I am planning on entering just one group and then seeing how it goes, I may enter a second if I have time - but for now it will just be one entry.
Tony
Quite an interesting idea - I'm sure it will be fascinating to see how the quality we can surely expect from you fares against the "meh, seen it" factor.
EDIT: Gah, ninja'd by the Prof. ;)
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If you paint some civilians (round 1, +10) with a plausible connection with Africa (round 5, +10) who feature in a famous movie (round 10, +10), you can still pick up 30 bonus points even if you don't get any new-paint bonuses.
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At first I thought "theme bonus points" were only awarded to 'new' teams but I think I misinterpreted the rules, I would like to hear the answer to this as well as it may save me in round 10 ;)
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One team for the whole season kinda loses the plot of the whole contest, which I believe was started to get people motivated to paint, not do a few and let 'em ride, or to whine about the nuances of a particular rule. :?
I was hoping to enter, but I'm already getting frustrated listening to the creaky floors around here recently...
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At first I thought "theme bonus points" were only awarded to 'new' teams but I think I misinterpreted the rules...
I wouldn't bet on it.
The LPL is designed to get folks to paint miniatures... not to "exploit" rules. I think this has been said already quite clearly and if nobody has responded to Red Orc's post, that is probably deliberate.
My bet is that if you use the same 5 civilian minis in rounds 5 and 10 you will get 0 bonus points.
But hey, try it if you want, just don't be surprised at the result.
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Previously, all Bonus round teams had to be newly-painted to qualify for the extra bonus points as well. Unfortunately, it is not as clearly worded in the rules as I thought.
Not being directly involved in the running of this Season, this is not a definitive ruling, but should be read as "the rules' intention".
So, in the mentioned example (African Movie Civilians) you would only get the theme points for round 1, and NO bonus points whatsoever in rounds thereafter.
Obviously, I will need to rework the rules and create a Lisbon-Treaty-size legalese monstrosity to take care of all people... ;)
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My bet is that if you use the same 5 civilian minis in rounds 5 and 10 you will get 0 bonus points.
if they are "African Civilian" you should get bonus 2 times :)
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Obviously, I will need to rework the rules and create a Lisbon-Treaty-size legalese monstrosity to take care of all people... ;)
Well, if you give your Treat-sized rules a good stout binding, you can use the book to thump people with when they persist in asking end-run type questions... :D
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Damn, real life is forcing me to skip this season :(
But I have a plan that involves a lot of painting and unpublishing for LPL6 though ;)
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If you paint some civilians (round 1, +10) with a plausible connection with Africa (round 5, +10) who feature in a famous movie (round 10, +10), you can still pick up 30 bonus points even if you don't get any new-paint bonuses.
Yes, that's correct. There's "newly painted" bonus and "theme" bonus. There aren't any correlations between these two bonuses.
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if they are "African Civilian" you should get bonus 2 times :)
And that's correct too.
Generally. Lads, please don't try to push/persuade anyone to paint as much as possible or to accomplish to so-called spirit of LPL. That's fun contest and everyone may decide what the fun is about. Please refrain from converting anyone to a new belief. We have rules and they're the basis of that contest. Not the spirit or whatever else.
I'd love to get that thread back to an infomation one. Questions and Mod Answers. Not more.
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Professor, I hope before that occurs you'll give me the opportunity to apologise to anyone that I may have offended (and it certainly seems I have offended some people) by my questions about the rules. I has never been my intention to 'exploit' the rules, or to challenge them - you and Captain Blood know this already as we've discussed it by PM - merely to clarify certain things that were unclear. It does seem that I'm not the only one who has misinterpreted some of the rules. I think this inevitable with any set of rules, and I applaud the efforts of yourself and Captain Blood to explain and clarify with patience and tact.
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Thanks, Red Orc. The matter is closed now.
Back to the paints and brushes then, LPL is coming :)
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I have one question though, albeit perhaps one more for `common sense` then die hard ruling
Do actual `miniatures` count or actual `bases`. Something I pondered over last year due to having a preference to smaller scale models (like the 10mm celtic irish I `debuted` with last year), but I base those usually 6 - 8 `models` on a 4 by 2 base. Does one base as such would have already claimed the 5 man limit, or actually 5 bases of 8 models? I played it safe last year by entering 7 bases (hance about 100 `individual models`) but I ask this now because with some 28mm models (like the bonus round 1, civilians), I tend to use the multi-bases from Renendra.
Just so that those green things have some actual use lol but just wondering.
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Five figures minimum, any scale.
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I have a question about submitting an entry (still deciding, basically alternating day by day at the moment :?)
What information is required when we submit an entry? From looking at previous leagues, the pictures seem to have titles, so presumably that's required.
However (looking for a duck and cover smiley here), how do we indicate whether the entry includes previously seen figures? Are there any particular tags that we could use in the email to make Captain Blood's life a little easier :)
Thanks
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Please tell me when you send your entry if it’s a ‘new’ team or an ‘old’ one.
Please also clearly state the name of your team / entry. Please try not to make the titles of teams too long. They all have to be typed in by hand as each match is set up. And there is only a certain field size available for the title of each match. Do me a favour and keep the titles short as you can please :)
It's all there in the rules ;)
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Thanks.
Worringly, I had read that post before asking the question, but completely missed it - senior moment ;D
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I still have a doubt about round 10 theme. Rules say "a scene or a group". I understand that for this round alone, we are allowed to enter a scene featuring opponents, such as a famous western gunfight, as long as the total number of figures is 5 or more? I'm asking because there are many so cool movie scenes I'd like to see (or paint) that do not feature a team of 5.
A.
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I still have a doubt about round 10 theme. Rules say "a scene or a group". I understand that for this round alone, we are allowed to enter a scene featuring opponents, such as a famous western gunfight, as long as the total number of figures is 5 or more? I'm asking because there are many so cool movie scenes I'd like to see (or paint) that do not feature a team of 5.
A.
That's where a bit of creativity is required. :)
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I have a question :D
If I want to sell a team that has had it's entry, do I have to wait until the end of the League before doing so or can I put them up for sale as soon as the round is published?
cheers
James
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I have a question :D
If I want to sell a team that has had it's entry, do I have to wait until the end of the League before doing so or can I put them up for sale as soon as the round is published?
cheers
James
James,
You can put them up for sale (ie post pics) as soon as that 'team' has stopped competing in a live match.
Cheers
Richard
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I still have a doubt about round 10 theme. Rules say "a scene or a group". I understand that for this round alone, we are allowed to enter a scene featuring opponents, such as a famous western gunfight, as long as the total number of figures is 5 or more? I'm asking because there are many so cool movie scenes I'd like to see (or paint) that do not feature a team of 5.
The Round 10 theme bonus means that if you paint a team of five or more miniatures representing a recognisable scene or group from a famous movie, you gain 10 bonus points.
However, this does not change the basic rule that a team must represent a homogenous group - not antagonists from the same period. It's supposed to be a team. So yes, you need to paint 5 figures that belong together in a team to earn the bonus points. So you need to think of movies that have groups of characters in them.
If you add a SECOND team of five or more miniatures portraying their opponents or antagonists, you gain 20 bonus points.
And if you add in a vehicle, large animal, creature, or piece of scenery specific to that movie, you gain 30 bonus points.
I do appreciate it's quite difficult - that's the whole point! :)
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Cheers for the reply Richard :)
If you add a SECOND team of five or more miniatures portraying their opponents or antagonists, you gain 20 bonus points.
And if you add in a vehicle, large animal, creature, or piece of scenery specific to that movie, you gain 30 bonus
I can see I'm going to have to watch 'Seven Samurai' again aren't I :D
cheers
James
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So yes, you need to paint 5 figures that belong together in a team to earn the bonus points.
Crap, there goes my "Three men and a baby" entry... :(
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/55/Three_men_and_a_baby_p.jpg)
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lol
You could always add a Ferrari. That makes it five ;)
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or add the Baby's Mum. ;)
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From my memory of the film, I think she probably counts as an enemy.
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Entries to any round must be received by 12.00 GMT on the Saturday before the next round opens on Sunday / Monday.
Which means that you have until 12.00 GMT on Saturday 12 March 2011, to get your round 1 entry in at lpleague3@yahoo.co.uk
Ok, stupid question that I should be able to figure out, but squinting at little lead figures has addled my brain slightly.
When you say 12.00 GMT on Saturday 12 March, my standard American "I don't understand the rest of the world" mind sees 12.00 noon on Saturday March 12th. So me being in the Eastern timezone (-5.00 GMT) would have to send the email by 7:00 AM on Saturday. But then I got thinking, maybe it means midnight and I really have until 7:00 PM! Or maybe it really means 12.00 AM on Saturday, so I really only have until 7.00 PM on Friday!
Then I figured that I'd better just ask, since I was getting a headache...
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It's indeed Saturday at noon in the UK, in the US the sun still has a longer way to go so 7AM is probably right if the time difference is 5 hours. Most non-UK Western Europeans have an extra hour and can send their entries before 1PM local time.
Looking on the bright side: you have the entire Saturday to work on next weeks entry, though of course it's harder to motivate oneself when the deadline is not pressing that hard. Good luck!
Edit: to clarify, in the 24h notation noon is 12:00 and midnight is 0:00 (the start of a new day).
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Ok, that's what I was assuming. I just wanted to make sure that I still had Friday night to work on it!
Well, and here I am also learning about how the rest of the world writes times, dates and all that other stuff. The LPL is no only fun, but educational! (and frustrating, challenging, fear inducing, etc) Thanks Pil.
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You're welcome! While I'm used to a 24h notation we still happen to call 22:00 "ten o'clock", just to make things complicated (ok, a leftover from analog clocks I guess) ;)
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Another question here.
It says that I may not post any pictures of my entry on the LAF during the round it's competing. Could I post a picture of it on my blog or does LAF=internet? :)
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Not on LAF at all.
Beforehand - Only elsewhere on the Internet if you are not going to claim it as newly painted for 'new' bonus points.
Ideally, just wait until the match is over :)
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Not on LAF at all.
Beforehand - Only elsewhere on the Internet if you are not going to claim it as newly painted for 'new' bonus points.
Ideally, just wait until the match is over :)
Ok. What I had in mind was to make a blog post each week announcing each new round and posting a picture of my entry and link to it over here. So no pictures beforehand, only after the round starts. Maybe I could have the picture on my blog being in black and white only while the round is ongoing? :)
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I can't speak to the rules-legality of such things (and Captain Blood has already made himself pretty clear on the topic) but in the past it has been considered that posting an entry or links to an active entry elsewhere on the internet while the round is still open for voting is "not the done thing" (it can be construed as touting for votes).
The simple solution would be to just run your blog entries a week behind your contest entries, so that they only appear on your blog after the active voting phase for each week is over.
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I can't speak to the rules-legality of such things (and Captain Blood has already made himself pretty clear on the topic) but in the past it has been considered that posting an entry or links to an active entry elsewhere on the internet while the round is still open for voting is "not the done thing" (it can be construed as touting for votes).
The simple solution would be to just run your blog entries a week behind your contest entries, so that they only appear on your blog after the active voting phase for each week is over.
Gotcha. Being a firs-timer in the LPL I'm not really sure of the etiquette. But I'll simply do what you suggest and run it a week behind.
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Gotcha. Being a firs-timer in the LPL I'm not really sure of the etiquette. But I'll simply do what you suggest and run it a week behind.
I plan to do the same thing Martin. Makes for a nice journal of the LPL on our blogs and you can even enter if you won or lost that round ... in my case that will be mostly lost I'm afraid ;)
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I can't speak to the rules-legality of such things (and Captain Blood has already made himself pretty clear on the topic) but in the past it has been considered that posting an entry or links to an active entry elsewhere on the internet while the round is still open for voting is "not the done thing" (it can be construed as touting for votes).
The simple solution would be to just run your blog entries a week behind your contest entries, so that they only appear on your blog after the active voting phase for each week is over.
Mustering votes is not the done thing at all, is it? Not among amateur gentlemen painters... One could mention an occasional sordid occurrence from past LPLs but what good would that do?
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Don't know if it would actually result in votes for me considering some the of the great entries but I have pointed a few of my various gaming friends at this contest & site. The work being display on this site in general is inspiring both in terms of creativity and implementation. It really got me energized to paint my pulp collection of figures again.
I wonder if the LPL contests tend to cause a spurt in new memberships every year.
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Don't know if it would actually result in votes for me considering some the of the great entries but I have pointed a few of my various gaming friends at this contest & site. The work being display on this site in general is inspiring both in terms of creativity and implementation. It really got me energized to paint my pulp collection of figures again.
I wonder if the LPL contests tend to cause a spurt in new memberships every year.
That's how I got here ;)
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That's how I got here ;)
Ditto.
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There is a noticeable raise coinciding with LPL and its announcement. We had 121 new members in January 121 and 151 in February 2011. Its the top month so far in LAF's history.
There is a similar but much smaller bell shape around February of last year.
It is not possible to know without polling the reasons for these increases, but surely one suspects that the LPL accounts for a large part of it
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I just joined for all the pretty pictures & inspiring ideas. This is the best forum I have seen.
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Is it ok to use buildings you have shown before as scenery for newly painted teams?
Do you still get the new team bonus points?
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Yes, as long as the figures are genuinely newly painted (or at least previously unshown) - backdrops or 'props' can be things you've shown before.
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Man I can't believe the rules thread keeps going. I didn't break any rules, I did say I was entering and encouraged people to check out all the minis that everyone painted. I haven't shown a picture of my painted models or even in progress shots, just bare metal, which is rather ironic as I painted bare naked women for the unarmed week. A better pun would have been perhaps 5 Venus De Milos or however it is spelt. How come I can't spell spelled?
Is my blog kosher?
http://musksminiatures.wordpress.com/
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Not on LAF at all.
Beforehand - Only elsewhere on the Internet if you are not going to claim it as newly painted for 'new' bonus points.
Ideally, just wait until the match is over :)
That's what I thought was implied. I think I'm following the rules, I'm not too worried as I don't think I'll win, maybe next year. I like to paint and blog the progress to keep motivated so I've had to alter my modus operrai for the spirit of the competition. I'm also going to have to keep digging in my miniature collection for odd models to paint, I know I don't have any Africans...
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I believe the 5th round is Africa,not Africans quite a difference. Can't tell you what I'm doing though, however no 'Africans' are in it ;)
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Is my blog kosher?
It's fine.
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I believe the 5th round is Africa,not Africans quite a difference. Can't tell you what I'm doing though, however no 'Africans' are in it ;)
Nah I still got nothing. I just have mostly fantasy and sci-fi models and most of those are GW. I have some other figs too, but not always teams of five... I think I'll just kiss those bonus points goodbye, might try for the round 10 bonus points, as I have more time to plan and convert...
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I'm also getting a photoshop-kinda-thingie to alter my backgrounds of the pictures I send in. That is allowed isn't it?
Just to put it in the right topic ... ;)
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You can use whatever backgrounds you like, treated however you like. Up to you.
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You can use whatever backgrounds you like, treated however you like. Up to you.
I think he's talking about digital manipulation, and that was always prohibited (except for combining some closeups, cropping images and adding a caption). Allowing that might open a can of worms.
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Digital manipulation of a backdrop image behind the figures is okay I think, Chris. If someone was going to pick up and use, say, a scenic shot of desert or mountains from an image library, then it's highly likely that the original photograph has been subject to all sorts of digital manipulation already! ;)
I certainly wouldn't suggest any digital manipulation beyond that - although some people do things like airbrushing out the join between figures' bases and scenery. I don't think the rules currently cover such things in any detail, but perhaps they should... Trouble is, where does one draw the line? I don't think there are many of the top painters who don't adjust the exposure, colour balance and so on of the shots you see.
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Digital manipulation of a backdrop image behind the figures is okay I think, Chris. If someone was going to pick up and use, say, a scenic shot of desert or mountains from an image library, then it's highly likely that the original photograph has been subject to all sorts of digital manipulation already! ;)
I certainly wouldn't suggest any digital manipulation beyond that - although some people do things like airbrushing out the join between figures' bases and scenery. I don't think the rules currently cover such things in any detail, but perhaps they should... Trouble is, where does one draw the line? I don't think there are many of the top painters who don't adjust the exposure, colour balance and so on of the shots you see.
Yes, I see and I don't mean creating a picture to use as a backdrop (i.e. printed out, as a physical item), but removing and replacing parts of a digital image, and that was not really intended, as the League was supposed to be about painting. Basic colour correction etc. should still be allowed, as well as the pasting of detail pics. But the actual images should be left untouched, I think. Otherwise, we'll have people adding eyes, glow effects and stuff, and that detracts from the paintjob.
that said, if the original poster did just mean using the software to produce a printout backdrop, I apologize for suspecting any kind of foul play. :)
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My intention was to use the tool to "create" a plain background for my entries. The only place with sufficient light is my garden and I wanted to replace that backdrop with say a black or brown one ...
I tried this with coloured paper, but that didn't work out too good. Except for the guy who lives next to me, he's still sore from laughing too hard!
So no "foul play" intended, but if I understand correctly it is not allowed. I will keep my garden as a background then ;)
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The "A walk in the country" entry already has a background that has been edited in:
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=27137.0
I think it looks spiffy and does not detract from the paintjobs.
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Given that you can show your team against whatever scenery or backdrop (or no backdrop at all) you like, then if you want to edit in a background image, or 'cut out' the figures so they appear on a neutral background, that's okay.
But manipulation of the image of the subjects themselves (beyond adjusting exposure, contrast, image quality etc) is not okay.
We will make a clear rule on this before the next LPL.
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As I am directly involved in this topic, here's 2 cent's my opinion.
If we suppose that the pictures have to be posted without any manipulations, nobody prohibites to itroduce a new rule right now. Better before than after!
in teh next LPL it will be stated from the beginning.
No problem for me.
But I would like to know because I'm ready to post the second and third entries, and they have an added background, althoug in a very lesser dimension than in the first entry. :)
Thank you!!
Marco
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I think the Captains explanation was fine, you can edit in a background as long as you don't tweak/edit/repaint your models or terrain using software.
A lot of people edit out a neutral background (like a piece of paper) in favour of a computer generated neutral background, it doesn't happen much in the LPL but it happens a lot on CMON (cool mini or not). I think it doesn't detract from the paintjobs.
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I think the Captains explanation was fine, you can edit in a background as long as you don't tweak/edit/repaint your models or terrain using software.
Correct.
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Thanks Captain.
If I get the programme in time to use it (and manage to use it :D ), I will add a little notification in the mail I send you for that entry.
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This may be a stupid question, but when does the voting for the current round end? I read the rules and couldn't find anything. I take it voting stops when the next rounds entry deadline starts?
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Andy, I'll take down the current matches just before loading the round 2 matches.
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Capt,
Can you give us an idea how the match ups are picked? is it a random number generator type of thing?
Also...if we can't get a new team done in time for the next round can we supply new pictures of the old team?
thanks!
Blue
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Capt,
Can you give us an idea how the match ups are picked? is it a random number generator type of thing?
Also...if we can't get a new team done in time for the next round can we supply new pictures of the old team?
thanks!
Blue
1) everyone is matched up at random but the captain makes sure no one is matched up against the same person more than once. I believe all the random matchups are manual labour, and making sure there are no duplicate matchups is even more manual labour so I think we must all say a big thank you to the captain for his efforts! And to Ray of course for his incredible efforts of manual score-keeping.
2) of course, it's not a new team so won't earn you newly painted bonus points but a fresh picture may win you some more votes than an old picture.
I'm not the captain but I think the rules are quite clear on both accounts 8)
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Pil,
thanks for the info...I had been considering using my first team again with better pictures (the Round 1 pics were taken in quite a rush!) but in the spirit of getting as much painting done as possible...and sharing it with ya'll...I have opted not to do this and have just sent in my round 2 entry....now I just have to wait until Sunday....why is it so far away! o_o
Cheers,
Blue
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Can you give us an idea how the match ups are picked? is it a random number generator type of thing?
Yes. I have all your names on pieces of paper and I pick them out of a cardboard box. Quite sophisticated huh? ;)
The Prof uses a clever spreadsheet with algorithms and all sorts when he does it, but that's too clever for me, I prefer old technology.
So yes, the draw is random, although there is an element of manual moderation - if one of the blindingly brilliant top-end painters draws one of the really rudimentary paintjobs, then I will redraw it because it's in no-one's interest (and not very entertaining) to get a 400-0 walloping. But I do this as little as possible. I adjusted 2 draws this way in Round 1.
However, in the later stages, there will be more manual intervention in the draw, since we need to make sure that the top contenders get to play each other in the later rounds. Again, this makes it more of a real challenge for all concerned, and more entertaining for the voters.
I'm afraid you'll just have to trust me that any such interventions are made completely neutrally. I have no vested interest and don't care who wins or loses. I just want a good entertaining league :)
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Yes. I have all your names on pieces of paper and I pick them out of a cardboard box. Quite sophisticated huh? ;)
The Prof uses a clever spreadsheet with algorithms and all sorts when he does it, but that's too clever for me, I prefer old technology.
So yes, the draw is random, although there is an element of manual moderation - if one of the blindingly brilliant top-end painters draws one of the really rudimentary paintjobs, then I will redraw it because it's in no-one's interest (and not very entertaining) to get a 400-0 walloping. But I do this as little as possible. I adjusted 2 draws this way in Round 1.
However, in the later stages, there will be more manual intervention in the draw, since we need to make sure that the top contenders get to play each other in the later rounds. Again, this makes it more of a real challenge for all concerned, and more entertaining for the voters.
I'm afraid you'll just have to trust me that any such interventions are made completely neutrally. I have no vested interest and don't care who wins or loses. I just want a good entertaining league :)
So there is a chance that we will be matched with the same contender more than once?
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No, you'll never be matched against the same contender more than once.
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Round 10, grand finale bonus theme: Scenes (or teams) from famous movies!
Now this is slightly tricky because one person’s definition of a famous movie may not be the same as the next person’s.
So to be clear, by ‘a famous movie’, we mean a movie which a majority of LAFers would have seen, heard of, or come across. You’re just going to have to play by the spirit of the rules on this one.
If you submit a team and claim it represents a well-known scene or group from a movie which neither The Prof or I have heard of, then you won’t get the bonus points. The Moderators’ decision is final.
I’m sure everyone understands what is intended by this theme, so please try to paint an entry which lives up to the theme, rather than trying to find ways around it!
Paint a team of five or more miniatures representing a recognisable scene or group from a famous movie, and gain 10 bonus points.
Paint a team of five or more miniatures representing a recognisable scene or group from a famous movie, and include a second team of five or more miniatures portraying their opponents, and gain 20 bonus points.
Paint a team of five or more miniatures representing a recognisable scene or group from a famous movie, include a second team portraying their opponents, and include a vehicle, large animal, creature, or piece of scenery specific to that movie*, and gain 30 bonus points.
* Note this is an exception to the usual rule that terrain cannot count as part of an entry, only serve as a backdrop. For the purposes of bonus points in round 10, a recognisable piece of scenery specific to the movie concerned will qualify for the extra bonus points.
Ok, quick question about the ‘piece of scenery specific to that movie’. If my scene was the swordfight scene from The Princess Bride (which it isn’t and doesn’t meet the criteria anyways…) could my recognizable piece of scenery be the ground that they are fighting on? If I had the broken tower that Wesley is almost pushed off and the bar that he does his flip on and the rock with the rope leading over the edge, would that qualify for the bonus points? Or when you say piece of scenery, do you mean “Here is Luke Skywalker and his Aunt and Uncle on Tatooine and here is their moisture vaporator.”
It’s not my intention to shoe-horn something in or try to weasel my way into bonus points or anything, but want to understand the criteria. The scene that I’ve chosen unfortunately doesn’t have any vehicles or large creatures or anything, but when I’m done hopefully it will be recognizable as the scene from the movie.
Thanks!
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My question about the bonus rounds is this...are we still limited to one 800x800 pixel picture? or one for each group of figures?
Just want to make sure I'm doing this right!
Thanks
Blue
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My question about the bonus rounds is this...are we still limited to one 800x800 pixel picture? or one for each group of figures?
Just want to make sure I'm doing this right!
Thanks
Blue
You could do a composite shot but the main photo has to contain all of your elements (5 good guys, 5 opponents and scenery/vehicle). You could insert close-ups of the individual groups into the main photo. Check the archives (especially in round 10's of old...) for some good examples.
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Ok, quick question about the ‘piece of scenery specific to that movie’. If my scene was the swordfight scene from The Princess Bride (which it isn’t and doesn’t meet the criteria anyways…) could my recognizable piece of scenery be the ground that they are fighting on? If I had the broken tower that Wesley is almost pushed off and the bar that he does his flip on and the rock with the rope leading over the edge, would that qualify for the bonus points? Or when you say piece of scenery, do you mean “Here is Luke Skywalker and his Aunt and Uncle on Tatooine and here is their moisture vaporator.”
I mean something obviously, specifically recognisable to the movie in question. Like the mealie bag redoubt in 'Zulu', the Trojan Horse in 'Troy', or the ramp of Helm's Deep in 'The Two Towers'. Kind of iconic settings associated with the movie in question. Generic scenery won't count to bonus points.
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My question about the bonus rounds is this...are we still limited to one 800x800 pixel picture? or one for each group of figures?
Just want to make sure I'm doing this right!
Thanks
Blue
One 800 x 800 pixel picture.
As D@rth says, it can be a composite, providing your team is shown in a group shot somehwere prominently within the picture.
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I mean something obviously, specifically recognisable to the movie in question. Like the mealie bag redoubt in 'Zulu', the Trojan Horse in 'Troy', or the ramp of Helm's Deep in 'The Two Towers'. Kind of iconic settings associated with the movie in question. Generic scenery won't count to bonus points.
Ok, excellent. Thanks for clarifying.
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One 800 x 800 pixel picture.
As D@rth says, it can be a composite, providing your team is shown in a group shot somehwere prominently within the picture.
I assume that you can have one team in each part of the picture as a number of people have done so,
but I thought that you were supposed to have both team in the same picture/scene.
So considering the number of split pictures with a team in each part then I suppose that I can
do that in the last round also. It is much easier to take pictures that way.
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but I thought that you were supposed to have both team in the same picture/scene.
Yups, made the same assumption / mistake. Not that it would matter for me personally lol
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I assume that you can have one team in each part of the picture as a number of people have done so,
but I thought that you were supposed to have both team in the same picture/scene.
Yes, you are supposed to have both teams together in one picture - although the rules are open to (mis)interpretation. The relevant rules are:
The entry should not be an out-and-out collage of individual pictures, but primarily a ‘group shot’ of the team, in either scenic setting or against a plain backdrop, as you prefer. You may add closeups or cutaways of small aspects, like faces, equipment, etc. and / or show different angles of the same figures (front and rear view for instance). But the main focus of the image must be on ‘the team’.
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Paint a team of five or more miniatures with a plausible African connection and include a second team of five or more miniatures portraying their opponents, and gain 20 bonus points.
In other words, a group shot of both teams together as a main part of your overall image...
However, several people have not understood / interpreted it differently, and I agree it isn't crystal clear - especially if English is not your own language - so I'm not going to rule out people that have shown composite shots of their two teams.
For round 10 however, please note that the original intent of the rules will apply - i.e. both teams plus a piece of scenery, vehicle etc, if attempted, together in one shot. I'll put out a separate notice to remind people of that...
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I mean something obviously, specifically recognisable to the movie in question. Like the mealie bag redoubt in 'Zulu', the Trojan Horse in 'Troy', or the ramp of Helm's Deep in 'The Two Towers'. Kind of iconic settings associated with the movie in question. Generic scenery won't count to bonus points.
That settles a dilemma I've been facing since day one... I was waffling between two movies. The one I really want to do (and is easier >:( ) doesn't have that specificity that I think is required...
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In other words, a group shot of both teams together as a main part of your overall image
For round 10 however, please note that the original intent of the rules will apply - i.e. both teams plus a piece of scenery, vehicle etc, if attempted, together in one shot. I'll put out a separate notice to remind people of that...
Sounds good to me as I haven't a clue about how to make a composite picture.;)
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Not realy a rules question as of such, but more a question about round 10. If I would be painting a scene from a movie, based on a TV-series and use the miniatures that clearly depict the (way nicer) TV-series, will I be in problems? For instance, if painting up the B-team from foundry for the new A-team movie... Something that won't happen since I already did the team + van in LPL 2 and don't want to paint them again.
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Sorry, but the theme is movies, not TV :)
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Am I correct in assuming that an hairyplane constitues a vehicle?
I know what movie I want to use and vehicles were used in it but not in the scene or picture that I'd intended to show. Now I can put one in the pic but it doesn't seem right. I am assuming that my picture should represent an actual scene from the movie in that case - is that correct?
EDIT - I'm referring of course to round 10
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Am I correct in assuming that an hairyplane constitues a vehicle?
I know what movie I want to use and vehicles were used in it but not in the scene or picture that I'd intended to show. Now I can put one in the pic but it doesn't seem right. I am assuming that my picture should represent an actual scene from the movie in that case - is that correct?
EDIT - I'm referring of course to round 10
Correct on all counts.
:)
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And would a war machine qualify as a vehicle? I assumed so 8)
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I would think so. If it was not tiny ;)
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Richard, will you allow us to pitch our round 10 entries to you before hand so that we know it complies with the rules? Sine the last round is very much about presentation it may be, in some cases, hard to know beforehand where you will find us stretching the rules.
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Yes. Good idea :)
You don't have to, but if you want to, send R10 entries in advance to check out any uncertainty over bonus point criteria...
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Yes. Good idea :)
You don't have to, but if you want to, send R10 entries in advance to check out any uncertainty over bonus point criteria...
Right. I hope you don't get swamped in endless arguments. Personally I am pretty much toast whatever you say since I have made a particular purchase already and bugger all if you don't let me use it. >:D
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I have made a particular purchase already and bugger all if you don't let me use it. >:D
Sounds promising...I haven't completely figured round 10 out but it seems there's gonna be a lot to look at!
This is quite an interesting and diverse bonusround!
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Another question for Richard re round 10
I'm not trying to be pedantic but just trying to get it right
I've had a re look at my movie choice and can see the opportunity for 2 scenes, one is much easier than the other though
I assume an horse & cart or an artillery piece would not constitute a vehicle
If not it looks like I'm going to have to do something with a bluudy train o_o
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Personally I am pretty much toast whatever you say since I have made a particular purchase already and bugger all if you don't let me use it. >:D
Ditto! :D
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Another question for Richard re round 10
I'm not trying to be pedantic but just trying to get it right
I've had a re look at my movie choice and can see the opportunity for 2 scenes, one is much easier than the other though
I assume an horse & cart or an artillery piece would not constitute a vehicle
If not it looks like I'm going to have to do something with a bluudy train o_o
Actually Kerry, I'd say yes, if you can produce two teams of figures plus a prop or vehicle or piece of scenery like an artillery piece, or say, an overturned wagon (for Zulu, for instance), then that would count for the full treble whammy bonus...
If in doubt, feel free to check with me first via the usual LPL email address or by PM here.
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Thanks Richard
That's got me sorted I think, I'll just have to pick up a few more bits and pieces and put it all together when I get home
Cheers