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Some of you may remember this entry from LPL5.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=29273.0;attach=3848;image)
As I have posted elsewhere the miniatures and the steamer are painted for a T&T game which I was supposed to bring to SLAM! in Stockholm this June, a plan I due to unfortunate circumstances had to cancel.
I have however set my mind on not doing anything else until I have completed the scenario, warts and all. Those of you who know me know it may be slow going but I WILL get there. I thought it may be of general interest to see how a game develops, not only in terms of miniatures and scenario perspective but also from a rules, play testing and logistics ditto.
Some more miniatures are already completed and will be posted as soon as I have time to pull my Finepix from it's holster.
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This sounds very much interesting and I am looking forward to see more.
Besides a great picture and a good entry that was.
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Ooh - looking forward.
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This sounds very much interesting and I am looking forward to see more.
Besides a great picture and a good entry that was.
Well, my cunning plan is to, by posting on this board, wrench an inappropriate amount of help from you and Chris. :)
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No problem. We kindly help. Thats a very interesting idea to develop a game and let us all take part.
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Good start. This entry was one of my favourites in the LPL5 and now you've enlisted Björn. It promises to be a proper mind-blast! :D
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I am so looking forward to seeing this develop. It's a pity that it won't see the SLAM outing, which I am sure would have made for some grand report and tasty piccies, and I certainly hope the reason is more of the "unpleasantly irritating vagaries of life" rather than something truly serious.
Anyway, I absolutely love that thing. I hope it prompts me to finish off the marine vessel rules I've been working on and off for months now.
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I hope it prompts me to finish off the marine vessel rules I've been working on and off for months now.
I thought I'd use something based on the vehicle rules, simplified. Right now I have plans for three teams in five boats, not counting the native dugouts.
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Well it seems to be all chickens today :o :o Hammers lol
Here is some theme music for you game
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Run chicken run don't you lose your step..........breathe chicken breathe, don't you lose your breath ..because chickens dont get no life after death ;D ;D
LB
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The game will be about three factions striving to reach the end of a stretch of the Arumbaya river. The three factions are Federales of the glorious Republic of Paquador on the river steamer Cacafuego, a British navy landing party in to motor launches from the destroyer HMS Reckless and, here I am a bit undecided, either a group of adventurers or a sailor crew from my steamer, SS Xanthippe.
Five of the Federales I painted for LPL5:
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Federales.JPG)
There will be another six Federales, Pulp Figures Gestapo conversions, on the Cacafuego.
The sailors I have posted elsewhere before to, but here some of them are again:
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/SSXanthippeCrewI.JPG)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/SSXanthippeCrewII.JPG)
I have the Regiment Games RN landing party painted up but in navy blues. I shall soon proceed to strip them and repaint them in tropical whites. I shall post them once they are done.
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(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/arumbayas2.gif)
Are the Arumbayas themselves going to put in an appearance? As an obstacle, random encounter or something, perhaps?
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There will of course be natives lurking in the jungle on both sides of the river. I procured these Copplestone indians from the Professor a while back and I have painted some of them for the game. I plan to have these chaps triggered by a Fate deck (of cards) and run by the Game Master. More about the Fate Deck later.
Copplestone Amazon Indian Archers
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/AmazonianIndians.JPG)
Painting nudes is always fun and Copplestones even more so. I love the 'my-mom-cuts-my-hair' mullets of the above chaps. I decided not to do war paint on these but keep them more general purpose.
Copplestone Botocudo warriors and a chieftain
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Botocudos.JPG)
These I will place in scratch built dugouts.
I have another 10 or so tupi and botocudo archers and another 7 warriors, also to be placed in a canoe. If I feel it is needed I may order some of those rather appealing new Eureka Tupis if I feel those I have don't look 'swarmy' enough.
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Patience, Dylan, patience... Had you waited just five minutes you would have had your answer. :)
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The above mentioned Fate deck will also trigger monsters and mishaps; black caimans, pirahnas, submerged logs, direction changing eddies and whirlpools...
I have painted these:
A bask of Orinoco crocodiles, Crocodylus intermedius (Foundry, one is converted).
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/OrinocoCrocs.JPG)
A bundle of giant green anaconda,Eunectes murinus
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/GiantGreenAnaconda.JPG)
I take special delight in painting this category. I have plenty of caymans, parrots, flamingoes, egrets... to paint and there will obviously be a bit of sculpting and scratch building of schools of piranhas and such.
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Smashin' stuff. This project is really grabbing me already.
And the way Hammers instantly bought, painted, photographed and posted those natives in response to my question was pretty cool, too.
Are those guys in the lower picture wearing some kind of penis sheath, or do they just have very thick willies in that part of South America? Knowing nothing about Amazon tribes I've always wondered that about those figures...
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I really look forward to this project, and obviously more pics with the man and his dog :-*
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I really look forward to this project, and obviously more pics with the man and his dog :-*
True story: the man in grey recently walked into a bar with that equally grey mutt in tow. The man claimed the dog can talk. "Give me a beer and I'll show you." The bartender poured him a beer to him and the man asked the dog, "Hey, what is that above our heads?" The dog says, "Roof!" The irritated bartender said, "That's not talking, he sounds like any other dog." So the man said, "OK, how about this - Listen, cur, who was the best baseball player of all time?" The dog answered, "Ruth!" At this point the bartender threw the man and the dog out of the bar, which compelled the dog says to the man in grey, "Ya think I shouldda said DiMaggio?"
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lol
Classic, and still funny!
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I've started to prime some flamingoes but I realize that four of them won't make a flock. Who but Mega Miniatures make flamingoes in 28mm?
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Great looking project :-* :-* :-*
How big is the river going to be?
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Great looking project :-* :-* :-*
How big is the river going to be?
Glad you asked, because that's what I need some help with. The river board (I am thinking a roll of mud coloured vinyl or similar) will have a band of dense jungle along both long sides. There will be at least three channels at the starting point and plenty of island and reeds in the river creating different routes.
So, to answer your question, the river needs to be wide enough to fit jungle on both sides + three ships + a challenging enough shooting distance between them roughly according to T&T gun tables.
My personal experience is that few games with a bit of dicing and cross referencing in each turn benefits from running more than five rounds. Therefore the (stretch of) river needs to be one ship length + 5 times the maximum speed per turn of the fastest ship.
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My personal experience is that few games with a bit of dicing and cross referencing in each turn benefits little from running more than five rounds. Therefore the (stretch of) river needs to be one ship length + 5 times the maximum speed per turn of the fastest ship.
That's shaping up to be a very big board indeed! Maybe rent a school gym during the summer and play on the floor? :D
What are the dimensions of the steamer in your LPL entry photo, and what's the envisioned maximum speed of a fast steamer?
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That's shaping up to be a very big board indeed! Maybe rent a school gym during the summer and play on the floor? :D
What are the dimensions of the steamer in your LPL entry photo, and what's the envisioned maximum speed of a fast steamer?
Oh, the Cacafuego, the biggest in the armada can't be very fast, that decrepit old thing, whatever the Paquadorian Navy claims. It's roughly 35 cms, stern to bow. A top speed of 60 cms per turn would mean 3 meter table which isn't unmanageable. There is of course another possiblility, that old wargaming SFX trick to build the river in modules and rebuild the board in front of the ships with modules they have left behind them. That would also render an impression to the gamers that they are venturing into unexplored areas, and thus, among other things, can't plan their route all the way to the goal.
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lol
Classic, and still funny!
Well, you're from Göteborg, of course you like worn out old jokes. ;)
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WOW! What a great project. Interesting story, beautiful miniatures (these Amazon Indians are fantastic) and your plans for the gaming-board sounds promising. ;D
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Oh, the Cacafuego, the biggest in the armada can't be very fast, that decrepit old things, whatever the Paquadorian Navy claims. It's roughly 35 cms, stern to bow. A top speed of 60 cms per turn would mean 3 meter table which isn't unmanageable. There is of course another possiblility, that old wargaming SFX trick to build the river in modules and rebuild the board in front of the ships with modules they have left behind them. That would also render an impression to the gamers that they are venturing into unexplored areas, and thus, among other things, can't plan their route all the way to the goal.
60cm per turn (24") sounds a bit fast, although not unreasonable. I see the problem in that T&T doesn't have a fixed ground and/or timescale, but considering that passenger cars have a maximum speed of 30" on good roads, I would consider scaling back boat speed to maybe 18", which would still require a 108" table, or 280cm - not much of a saving.
That said, I think the key point when determining vessel speed is that if undamaged, they should have a speed advantage over native canoes/dugouts/whatchamacallits. The paddled ones moving less than 12" just wouldn't look right, too.
I am quite enamoured with the rolling table concept. You could do a compromise in having the outline of the river static , but add the surrounding terrain as the first boat enters the new section (they would have some maps of more or less adequate quality, so they know the course of the river, but none of its surroundings). This would either leave the banks blank until visible, or cover all the table in trees and replacing them with other features as required.
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Yeah, they ship speed was more of a rough estimate. I want to think the whole thing through but I don't want the end result to become complicated rules to just to make it 'realistic' (which I have always felt is a rather absurd concept in miniature wargaming). The game is supposed to look good and be fun to game. A good story.
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I really look forward to this project, and obviously more pics with the man and his dog :-*
Speaking of him, I feel I must shoehorn him and the dog into the game somehow. Perhaps the goal of the teams should be to see a man about a dog.
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Yeah, they ship speed was more of a rough estimate. I want to think the whole thing through but I don't want the end result to become complicated rules to just to make it 'realistic' (which I have always felt is a rather absurd concept in miniature wargaming). The game is supposed to look good and be fun to game. A good story.
Don't get me wrong, I would definitely prefer a "looks and feels right" approach to number-crunching realism myself.
That said, a top speed of 24" might not be too out of place for the steam launches. Without unnecessarily complicating things, one might just have ALL vessels be able to move the same maximum speed, but add some "restraining element", for example, a higher chance to hit a snag or shallows at higher speeds? This could increase excitement while forcing players into some tradeoff decisions.
Another idea I had, although I am not sure if I will add them to the gunboat rules, would be to "share out" the ships movement, i.e. have the players set a speed during turn plotting (1-6", 6.1-12", 12.1-18", 18.1-24") and then move each vessel at the same time after each regular unit activation bound for an appropriate fraction of their movement. So, if each side had three "regular" units, the maximum number of activation bounds (# of cards in the unit card stack) would be three. If a vessel was set to move 18" in a turn, this would mean it would move 6" after each infantry bound is completed.
This somehow removes the vessels from the normal activation stack and makes them more akin to "moving terrain pieces". I think it would be most suitable to the large, lumbering vessels, whereas the smaller ones could be moved more like "land" vehicles.
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Speaking of knots an ships, apart from the Cacafuego I have not shown you the other vessels I will be converting, building and using, have I?
Steam launch à la African Queen from Brigade:
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/SteamLaunch.JPG)
This kit was plainer than I expected. I am not dissatisfied, but since I want two crafts for the adventurers or sailors I think I can do better scratch building the second. I haven't decided if the sailors should man two self propelled vessels or if the launch should tow a barge or a raft full of armed men and cargo. The latter would of course mean a speed penalty for the sailor team.
Two 1/48 Rescue boats from Glencoe models.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/MotorLaunch.JPG)
These kit I am currently converting to motor launches from the destroyer HMS Reckless, affectionately named 'Humpty' and 'Dumpty' (or something of a similar ilk) by the RN landing party manning them. They are supposed to be motor launches so I may have to give them a speed bonus.
As you can see I am hoping to give each team particular vessels, each with its particular drawback or advantage. The Federales team will have only one medium fast vessel but it will be armed with a deck gun and can take more damage. With a bit of thinking though and game testing I hope I will strike some sort of balance.
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Don't get me wrong, I would definitely prefer a "looks and feels right" approach to number-crunching realism myself.
That said, a top speed of 24" might not be too out of place for the steam launches. Without unnecessarily complicating things, one might just have ALL vessels be able to move the same maximum speed, but add some "restraining element", for example, a higher chance to hit a snag or shallows at higher speeds? This could increase excitement while forcing players into some tradeoff decisions.
Another idea I had, although I am not sure if I will add them to the gunboat rules, would be to "share out" the ships movement, i.e. have the players set a speed during turn plotting (1-6", 6.1-12", 12.1-18", 18.1-24") and then move each vessel at the same time after each regular unit activation bound for an appropriate fraction of their movement. So, if each side had three "regular" units, the maximum number of activation bounds (# of cards in the unit card stack) would be three. If a vessel was set to move 18" in a turn, this would mean it would move 6" after each infantry bound is completed.
This somehow removes the vessels from the normal activation stack and makes them more akin to "moving terrain pieces". I think it would be most suitable to the large, lumbering vessels, whereas the smaller ones could be moved more like "land" vehicles.
Interesting. I shall proceed to digesting this idea.
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First of all, I'll let that insult about people from Göteborg slip, just this once...
And, I think that The Westphalian idea is great. Full thrust is a great set of rules that use pre-plotted movement, and it does bring a lot of fun :)
May I suggest that you go for both ideas with the river? A very long table and new terrain that pops up! :) You can easily make it easier for yourself by snaking the whole river.
Just some ideas.
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Nice one! Although a bit plain, when you're done with the African Queen I am sure it'll look great. Don't forget that HLBS are selling a wooden raft at the moment for all your shipwreck needs. :D
Looking forward to the converted rescue boats. I wasn't aware of that kit but it sure looks promising.
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This idea really intrigues me. I've always enjoyed watching objects come together in a build thread, and I'm even more pleased to be watching an entire game come together. Although I'm obviously unable to participate in the resulting game in person, I'd like to participate in spirit. And so, with Hammers' okay, I present four of my team of sailors:
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5149/5762705428_8319f3c584_b.jpg)
As they're in the environs of the mighty Arumbaya, I decided they needed substantially more facial hair than what God (and Lon at Brigade) gave them. I also intend to put together a steam boat of some sort, probably along the lines of the African Queen.
And Hammers, I searched for more pics of your Cacafuego, but couldn't find any. Can you point me to a thread, or share more pics?
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Cool, Mancha! All my Brigade sailors are on the SS Xantippe. There is no thread with the Cacafuego. I have previously only shown her in that LPL entry. Be patient and she'll make an appearance in this thread, warts and all.
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I have the variants of those Brigade sailors with the drum-mag Thompson, they're great figures, not fancy but well cast and sculpted. I like the mustachios, muttonchops and apron, great additions.
One thing I'll throw out about boat movement is that it's always a bit odd when a vehicle's "fast" move is actually shorter than it's own length. That spaceship game by Spartan Games suffers from this with the biggest models, their fast move is only 2/3rds the length of the model! Given that Cacafeugo is about 13" long, I'd make it's maximum speed at least a few inches longer than that, so that at full steam it really does feel like it's moving, at least!
(also, I finally parsed "Cacafuego" with my humour filter set to "pulp". Shitfire!)
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I have the variants of those Brigade sailors with the drum-mag Thompson,...
I didn't know there was a drum magazine variant. Oh man. :(
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I didn't know there was a drum magazine variant. Oh man. :(
I have the those to. More 1920s-30s, I thought.
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(also, I finally parsed "Cacafuego" with my humour filter set to "pulp". Shitfire!)
That joke is a bit older than Pulp:
>>Link<< (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_ship_Nuestra_Se%C3%B1ora_de_la_Concepci%C3%B3n_(1570))
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Ah, yes... Interesting to read that it should really be Cagafuego. Cacafuego seams to translate 'shit on fire', as a Old West horse chips campfire or a severe case of indigestion.
But Cacafuego is firmly rooted in popular history, so the Cacafuego my steamer remains.
Now about the motor launches of the HMS Reckless...
A progress shot (from the hip):
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/MotorLaunches.JPG)
The models come together pretty well. They are old sprues and quite simplistic which in my experience vouches for a pretty sturdy wargaming model. They probably don't look like any real RN ships barge but hopefully close enough. I had to sacrifice an midship engine compartment to get enough space for a crew of about 8 miniatures on 25mm washers.
There is a thing I am in two minds about, should I include a screen (bluetacked onto the right model) or leave it without? The frames of the screen are a bit crude and without, perhaps, it looks a bit more business like. Decisions, decisions...
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Looking good.
I like the screen in place. I just looks right, some how.
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There is a thing I am in two minds about, should I include a screen (bluetacked onto the right model) or leave it without? The frames of the screen are a bit crude and without, perhaps, it looks a bit more business like. Decisions, decisions...
Difficult decision, indeed. With a screen, it does look a bit more modern, so possibly more suitable for the 1920s/30s setting, but as you say, the actual part is a bit clunky. I wonder if you would want to go through the trouble of, say, drilling two tiny holes in the canopy, adding wire plugs to the screens, and build a handling rail as well so you could switch them depending on what you fancy.
Apart from that, the models are looking really nice and suitable. I am very much looking forward to seeing them completed. I assume you'll be adding some machine details to the front canopy, and wooden planking to the holds?
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Difficult decision, indeed. With a screen, it does look a bit more modern, so possibly more suitable for the 1920s/30s setting, but as you say, the actual part is a bit clunky. I wonder if you would want to go through the trouble of, say, drilling two tiny holes in the canopy, adding wire plugs to the screens, and build a handling rail as well so you could switch them depending on what you fancy.
Apart from that, the models are looking really nice and suitable. I am very much looking forward to seeing them completed. I assume you'll be adding some machine details to the front canopy, and wooden planking to the holds?
There will definitely be teak/mahogany planking on the deck, the coffee stirrers are already stained. I am not going to go all out with the models though. I want to keep them practical as I'd rather see the the project going forward than getting bogged down with super detailing (to use an extreme to get a point through). There is an anchor in each kit, a ships bell and a life saver ('frälsarkrans' to use a to most of you completely obscure but to us a rather apt an funny nautical term in Swedish).
It'd be nice to add a feature like a water spew...
(http://www.pacificcohistory.org/sw2000_1_04.jpg)
...for the cooling but unless one goes through the whole trouble of sculpting the spew it will probably just look like a hole (to use an other example of the compromises one have to make to be practical).
I am going to add life lines....
(http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h41000/h41728.jpg)
...along the gunwale sine it is easy to make and emblematic for life boats/navy launches.
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There will definitely be teak/mahogany planking on the deck, the coffee stirrers are already stained. I am not going to go all out with the models though. I want to keep them practical as I'd rather see the the project going forward than getting bogged down with super detailing (to use an extreme to get a point through). There is an anchor in each kit, a ships bell and a life saver ('frälsarkrans' to use a to most of you completely obscure but to us a rather apt an funny nautical term in Swedish).
I damn well hope those centuries of missionary work did not go amiss and you vicious vikings now use that term (it's another term for "rosary", isn't it?) instead of praying to the heathen deities of old when Aegir sends a wave to invite you to some drinking feast... ;)
I agree, you don't want to go overboard with details (*zing*). They only tend to get in the way and snap off, although the three you list should be small enough to fit while conveying suitable "nauticity", I guess.
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I damn well hope those centuries of missionary work did not go amiss and you vicious vikings now use that term (it's another term for "rosary", isn't it?) instead of praying to the heathen deities of old when Aegir sends a wave to invite you to some drinking feast... ;)
No, it's not a rosary (...I think. I am indeed a heathen, or rather a rationalist, so I am a bit fuzzy on the terms) but a term for the crown of Some Peoples Lord and Saviour wore on the cross. Frälsare = Saviour, Krans = wreath, ergo 'saviour's wreath'... See what they did there...? :)
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Well, nice models indeed! It's a pity you had to let go of the compartment in the middle. They look a bit empty and massive this way.
I wouldn't keep the screen. Although I can see gamer Mac's point, it is just too high and it looks slightly odd with miniatures behind it. Although, maybe you could raise the floor level a bit. That way the discrepancy between the inner space, the height of the "barriers" (sorry, what are these called again for non-sailors?) and the size of the miniatures would be slightly reduced. Still, I am certain... with your saviour rings and life lines they will look stunning in the end, no matter what you decide to go for.
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Well, nice models indeed! It's a pity you had to let go of the compartment in the middle. They look a bit empty and massive this way.
I wouldn't keep the screen. Although I can see gamer Mac's point, it is just too high and it looks slightly odd with miniatures behind it. Although, maybe you could raise the floor level a bit. That way the discrepancy between the inner space, the height of the "barriers" (sorry, what are these called again for non-sailors?) and the size of the miniatures would be slightly reduced. Still, I am certain... with your saviour rings and life lines they will look stunning in the end, no matter what you decide to go for.
They are called gunwales.
The engine compartments *have* to go or the models will have much less practical gaming value. You see, with any good game, and this in my experience certainly applies to Triumph & Tragedy, you expect a good deal of blood shed. I am already on the low end in terms of miniatures per team to last through a five round game of T&T, especially since the teams will have some automatic weapons and an instance of a light deck gun. I will post more about this consideration later. Let me just for now say that I hope to divert quite a lot of between-team firing by having plenty of monsters and NPCs to come into play.
The decks will be raised by a good 5mm, I am sure, as the planking is in place. I will place the wheel right before the bow canopy and the anchor and life saviour on the aft bulkhead. The ships bell (for fog and night conditions) will be placed on the stern canopy on starboard side of the wheel.
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No, it's not a rosary (...I think. I am indeed a heathen, or rather a rationalist, so I am a bit fuzzy on the terms) but a term for the crown of Some Peoples Lord and Saviour wore on the cross. Frälsare = Saviour, Krans = , ergo saviour wreath... See what they did there...? :)
O_o
Now that's scandinavian saecularism at its best; I guess. Black humour, at the very least.
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...and now I am starting to think that I should cut the bow can-o'-pee to make room for to more sailors... Eh...! :?
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...and now I am starting to think that I should cut the bow can-o'-pee to make room for to more sailors... Eh...! :?
Honestly, I don't think you should. Saves you the trouble of adding a visible engine, which would take up space, anyway.
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While the life lines on the motor launches are drying I thought I delve a bit deeper into the idea for a Deck of Fate.
A year or two ago I got this Corto Maltese tarot deck.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/CMDeckOfFate.jpg)
Being a great fan of Hugo Pratt (the art in particular) I considered it a must have thing but had no immediate plans for them. As it turned out the cards weren't illustrated for their specific purposes (The Empress, Death etc.) but watercolours from various Corto adventures across the world. Stunningly beautiful, most of them.
A while ago Plynkes posted having purchased the same deck and casually mentioned the possibility of using it as a randomiser in a wargame. An obviously brilliant idea which for some reason had escaped me. Tarot is commonly used to predict the future and Corto Maltese is the very epitome of an adventurer. Idea nicked!
So how go about it? Well, each team would as a part of the turn sequence pull one card. The card would be cross referenced on an event table, and the card would indicate a fate of positive, negative or no consequence. For example, the Tarot trump The Wheel could be cross referenced to a fate where the vessel enters a whirlpool in the river which sets it of d6 inches in a random direction.
There are four suits (wands, swords, cups and pentacles) of 14 cards, 21 trumps and the Fool which makes a total of 78 card. Five turns times one card for each three teams makes 15 cards (plus a few extra if rules allows for discarding a card pulled). I am thinking 1/3 of the cards should mean a misfortune for the team pulling it, 1/3 should mean that Fate is smiling at them and 1/3 should have no effect.
One has to consider how many events one wants to occur to the teams. Should one have 15 events guaranteeing events every turn or should one, as an opposite, leave the possibility open for no fate alters the game at all? With 78 cards in the Deck of Fate and only roughly 20 being pulled, several cards will have the same outcome (for example, all faceless cards may of all suits means Fate is busy elsewhere). Another alternative is to remove a portion of the deck and leave only 15 to 30 cards in it.
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Dunno why the pictures are not visible any more, but that deck looks really cool. I am a latecomer to Hugo Pratt's work (literally 5-6 weeks ago... I was slightly blinded by US graphic novels all these years), but I am collecting whatever I get my hands on now.
I like the idea to use it for random events but that seems like a lot of events in one game. I could imagine that the whole card drawing thing could become old quick with such a high frequency and maybe even too distracting from the actual game. Maybe linking drawing a card with a die result or a other events might make the whole process a bit more special.
Now that I think of it, I wouldn't connect it to die rolls, cause then it might not come up at all and that'd be a pity.
Looking forward to the feedback from others and your solution and I now I am off to buy that deck! :)
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I vote for a lot of card drawing. But I do prefer games that are full of chaos and disorder ;)
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I wonder why the deck is not showing... Weird.
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Well, it was for a while.
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I've started to primy some flamingoes but I realize that four of them won't make a flock. Who but Mega Miniatures make flamingoes in 28mm?
I could do with some too, if anybody knows. Just a few for my Great War in East Africa games.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/CopyofOutofAfrica2.jpg)
Don't want a lot of them. About this many would do.
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Dylan
PMT discussion on flamigoes here:
http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=231404
You might also try here: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/513FYfj2pFL._SS400_.jpg I've not counted the ones in your picture, but the second link should suffice lol
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PMT? Not you as well? Aren't we all a little bit old for childish name-calling? :)
That bag of lawn flamingos does look kind of promising. But I worry that they would look too much like the ornaments they're supposed to be and my African lake might end up feeling like a kitsch American suburban lawn. Nice amount in the bag, though. I wonder if you can get them over here?
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PMT? Not you as well? Aren't we all a little bit old for childish name-calling? :)
That bag of lawn flamingos does look kind of promising. But I worry that they would look too much like the ornaments they're supposed to be and my African lake might end up feeling like a kitsch American suburban lawn. Nice amount in the bag, though. I wonder if you can get them over here?
First I thought that bag was a novelty joke but looking at ebay I realize they are the real deal. I think they can be painted up nicely . With a ten or so Mega Mini birds mixed in to break the monotony they may look about right. @ $9 /bag it is worth a try.
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PMT? Not you as well? Aren't we all a little bit old for childish name-calling? :)
Oops-been spending too much time at WD3 ;)
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Can you buy the Mega Minis ones separately? In the catalogue I have you get two in a job lot with a bunch of other birds that I frankly have no use for.
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Can you buy the Mega Minis ones separately? In the catalogue I have you get two in a job lot with a bunch of other birds that I frankly have no use for.
You can. They're a dollar forty-three a pop. There may even be a lot of five deal which I can't be bothered looking for.
http://freeboardgamesnow.com/birdflamingo.aspx (http://freeboardgamesnow.com/birdflamingo.aspx)
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So in parallel with building the RN motor launches (which are coming along all right, thank you!) I've been painting some tupi warriors. I've been sifting the Cloud for a suitable design for tupi shield designs but I have come up with precious little. The one thing I did find is weave designs where various plant fibres are used for bags and rugs. Using these patterns on shields is of course pure guess work but style wise they may look OK.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/BotocudoShieldDesign.JPG)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/p1000870_kncn.jpg)
Photographing WIP minis also makes one see what one need to amend, in this case the lines need to be straightened.
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I think that you're focusing on the wrong thing here, Hammers lol
Just because its done by hand, it doesn't automatically means that its all straight.
I like it, and I bet that noone, except all those that are following this thread, would point out that the shield design isn't straight enough ;)
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I think that you're focusing on the wrong thing here, Hammers lol
Just because its done by hand, it doesn't automatically means that its all straight.
I like it, and I bet that no one, except all those that are following this thread, would point out that the shield design isn't straight enough ;)
That's where we disagree, I think. My philosophy is that while no one will pay attention to an individual lines or even miniatures, they over all attention to details will be noticed in a game. It's also one of the things which enhances a gaming experience. Therefore I do think about such things as much as time allows me. From a subjective stand point, my 'good enough' threshold is pretty high and I am rarely completely satisfied.
About the shield design, you don't see it very well on this miniature but the tupi are painted in very gay colours, due to the fact that they adorn themselves with the asses of macaws, toucans and hummingbirds. This tends to make them look like they are manning a float in the Rio Carnival. A more sombre shield designs tones this down a bit.
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That figure is looking great, especially how the skintones work with the colours of the equipment. I agree, though, that the shield pattern could do with some tidy-up work. I am unsure whether you should highlight the actual pattern areas, but cleaning out the edges with some of the lighter paint would improve it, I hazard to guess.
Getting some custom decals done (or printing them yourself) would go a bit far, probably... ;)
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That's where we disagree, I think. My philosophy is that while no one will pay attention to an individual lines or even miniatures, they over all attention to details will be noticed in a game. It's also one of the things which enhances a gaming experience. Therefore I do think about such things as much as time allows me. From a subjective stand point, my 'good enough' threshold is pretty high and I am rarely completely satisfied.
There's no doubt that you should overwork the details! That's the whole point with this hobby :)
What I meant was that your test pattern might be a variation on the original pattern, and thus it might give you some space to work with. And, its done by hand, so you painted up one of the lazy ones that just couldn't be bothered to do it as he was told :)
Would it be all wrong to do a "rainbow"-coloured shield? :)
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That bag of lawn flamingos does look kind of promising. But I worry that they would look too much like the ornaments they're supposed to be and my African lake might end up feeling like a kitsch American suburban lawn. Nice amount in the bag, though. I wonder if you can get them over here?
A closer look reveals that these 'mingoes-inna-bag' are a bit on the crude side.
(http://cf.geekdo-images.com/images/pic370023_md.jpg)
I really shouldn't have expected anything else, really. They may look OK if painted up decently and mounted in a group.
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I don't think that is that bad. I wonder if you could do some simple conversions like the "single-leg pose" and maybe some different head angles.
I'm quite interested how you intend to do the multibase. I'd guess they'd be standing in shallow water, and maybe you could fringe the edges with long reeds to hide it on the water surface.
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I don't think that is that bad. I wonder if you could do some simple conversions like the "single-leg pose" and maybe some different head angles.
I'm quite interested how you intend to do the multibase. I'd guess they'd be standing in shallow water, and maybe you could fringe the edges with long reeds to hide it on the water surface.
I am thinking I should rid them of the legs all together, replace them with stiff brass or piano wire bent in the right angles and add a blob of epoxy glues for the knees. Then mount them in group s of five to ten on transparent, interlocking plastic bases.
Mind, this is not a priority sub-project. I am not sure how to use them in a game in a meaningful way. But I think they could look good.
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I am thinking I should rid them of the legs all together, replace them with stiff brass or piano wire bent in the right angles and add a blob of piano wire for the knees. Then mount them in group s of five to ten on transparent, interlocking plastic bases.
Now that is the kind of commitment we've come to expect from you. lol
I did not want to suggest wholesale leg replacement surgery, but I agree it would very likely improve their overall impression dramatically.
The basing concept sounds good, too.
Mind, this is not a priority sub-project. I am not sure how to use them in a game in a meaningful way. But I think they could look good.
Yes, that's another one. Visual appeal is one thing, but if they also serve a game purpose, all the better. Maybe as random line-of-sight blockers (e.g. a unit that moves within, say, 6" of them, risks disturbing them)?
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Maybe as random line-of-sight blockers (e.g. a unit that moves within, say, 6" of them, risks disturbing them)?
...or a hail storm of flamingo shit as a vessel passes to close and disturbs the flock.
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Chap second from the right, what is he wearing around his neck?
(http://www.copplestonecastings.co.uk/images/c45.jpg)
It looks like what the day officers in my Swedish Navy days was wearing, a 'ringkrage' or 'vaktbricka'. Is he the equivalent of a Tupi feldtpolizei, the type of captures and ushers AWOL Tupi warriors to the slammer?
(http://www.abwehr.co.uk/police/Alternative%20impressions/Cliveden-07-FJK-01.jpg)
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Maybe some glass beads they got for that useless piece of land that was bleeding black water? ;)
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I have a collection of tiny frogs from various manufacturers, mostly Reaper, which I'd like to put to use as poison dart frogs. I can't quite decide whether to use them to adorn the bases of character figures or if they can be put in play some how. Thing is they seem to be so very timid and unobtrusive I wouldn't quite know how to make them change the turn of events in a game...
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This is truely an inspiring project Hammers, and I hope that I get the chance to see some of it this summer, when I am visiting Gotland!
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A pic so you can see how the decks have turned out. Its a quick shot so the lighting is a bit harsh. Some details have not come out properly.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/MotorLaunchesWIP2.JPG)
The life lines are not painted yet, neither some wood details on the deck nor the lanterns. I have to retouch the rubber rim to. After the turpentine/black enamel wash the launches needed dry brushing so some things were messed up.
An inspiration photo from Islas Malvinas (or is it South Georgia?):
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/south-georgia84.jpg)
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I have a collection of tiny frogs from various manufacturers, mostly Reaper, which I'd like to put to use as poison dart frogs. I can't quite decide whether to use them to adorn the bases of character figures or if they can be put in play some how. Thing is they seem to be so very timid and unobtrusive I wouldn't quite know how to make them change the turn of events in a game...
Rain of Frogs.
Specifically, Rain of Poison Frogs.
Everyone inside an area of radius [something] has to make a poison check; natives might make a morale check instead (they know enough not to get poisoned, but still aren't happy about the event). Decorate the area with brightly-coloured frogs for a turn or two, and/or use them as markers for folks who fail the poison check!
You could just use one very large Giant Frog, but that's not so much a Rain of Frogs but a Splatter of Frog.
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A progress shot of the first canoe. The paper mash clay comes out a bit uneven but that's all right, I guess. It is after all supposed to be a dugout made with rather crude tools.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/CanoeWIP2.JPG)
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And here are some Tupi warriors and chiefs whot I recently finished. I have heard other talk post about how satisfying it is to paint Zulus/Ngonis. Well, I'd say the same about these Indians. There is something about painting nudes or semi nudes which is quite satisfying. The brightly coloured feathers was time consuming and a bit difficult I thought. There's rather a lot to think through before you do it. Shield designs were fun and in the end not that hard once I had cracked 'the believable design' problem.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Tupis1.JPG)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Tupis2.JPG)
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Very Nice!
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Great feather and shield designs. They're gonna really stand out on the board.
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Simply wonderful. Smashing job on all that skin. I am green with envy. Annoyingly good.
Also: Satisfying, eh? Hammers loves the cock!
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Great feather and shield designs. They're gonna really stand out on the board.
Well, the gradient of colours are more subtle that what they seem in these shots, esp. the yellows. I could not be bothered to bring out the spots so I shot them on the workbench using the lamps I have there. Harsh backlight makes light colours whiter.
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Also: Satisfying, eh? Hammers loves the cock!
Get out of the closet yourself, you old nonce! >:D I have seen with which relish you've sculpted cocks flopping on your bouncing Masai. :)
Thanks all the same for your kind comments.
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You got me there. I only ever got into wargaming for all the big black cock. lol
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Lovely paint job on those natives. :-* :-* :-*
Boats are coming on well.
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Very nice work, Hammer. Although I also admire the various appendages, I'd like to compliment your canoe building skills. It looks great and the uneven look is perfectly fitting.
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Very nice. Do you have a recipe for the flesh, it is very effective.
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Very nice. Do you have a recipe for the flesh, it is very effective.
I do. It is Foundry's South American Flesh triad. I added, as I always do, a thin mix of Vallejo Air Burnt Umber (no other will do! it has just the right amount of red), flow release and water over the initial base coat of SA Flesh shade. I recommend that you use the hilight sparingly and thinned.
I find the results of Foundry triads a bit varying, but the particular one I like (the Bay Brown triad is rubbish).
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very very nice...
Is that a cigar box behind the Indians ?
If so, use it as a dice box for the game.
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very very nice...
Is that a cigar box behind the Indians ?
If so, use it as a dice box for the game.
It is. I use it to keep my scrap hobby lumber in. Coffee stirrers, lenghts of veneer... I like a whiff of cedar when I build my stuff. Your suggestion is however solid.
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You got me there. I only ever got into wargaming for all the big black cock. lol
This thread started to get more interesting!
@Hammers:
Great job, and speed!
I reckon you got rain over the holiday? :D
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This thread started to get more interesting!
@Hammers:
Great job, and speed!
I reckon you got rain over the holiday? :D
Hell no. Sun's beating down. I have just learnt to be fairly efficient with the time I mange to wrestle from the family. Also I've gotten pretty good at bigging my household chores up to motivate some 'alone time'. This morning I made a big fuss planting the tomatoes, pulling out every conceivable garden implement and engaging all and sundry for about 15 miniutes of real work. 8)
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Hell no. Sun's beating down. I have just learnt to be fairly efficient with the time I mange to wrestle from the family. Also I've gotten pretty good at bigging my household chores up to motivate some 'alone time'. This morning I made a big fuss planting the tomatoes, pulling out every conceivable garden implement and engaging all and sundry for about 15 miniutes of real work. 8)
I'm glad for you :)
I did plan something like that myself, but I realised that I need to sell the boat for more quality time.
And you can't go a whole summer without freshly caught mackarell now :'(
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And you can't go a whole summer without freshly caught mackarell now :'(
We don't get mackerel here, just Alzheimer inducing algae, but I see your point. Keep the boat.
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We don't get mackerel here, just Alzheimer inducing algae, but I see your point. Keep the boat.
If you find some pulp-minis I might send you some frozen ones by post lol
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A bit of progress with Fate Deck prompted miniatures:
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/ChainGang.JPG)
Henri Charrière, Louis Dega, Everrett, Pete and Delmar
The event blurb will probably go something like this:
You are being hail by a group of escapees from a French penal colony off the coast. If you chose to stop and take them on board they will in gratitude accept to be armed with rifles and fight as Raw troopers on your side and fire at what ever you ask them to. If you chose not to loose momentum and leave them to their fate any other team which reaches them first is allowed to pick them up.
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That's a nice bunch of caterpillars! I am sure they will evolve into beautiful butterflies one day. ;) lol
Excellent work on the jailclothes, and the chain looks great.
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Ha! Cool idea, Hammers! :-* And very nicely painted. What did you use for shackles, or did you just wrap the chain around their foot?
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Ha! Cool idea, Hammers! :-* And very nicely painted. What did you use for shackles, or did you just wrap the chain around their foot?
So you got the Papillon and 'Oh, brother...') references... They come with chains and shackles. I just added the balls (I cut off the balls on pins). The chain of the chain gang is model ship chain. Not very practical in a gaming context but I think it looks kinda cool.
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I for one had to look it up. I read Papillon and watched the film in the 90s, so the name Henri Charrière was only vaguely familiar to me.
And now for the past 30 minutes I am struggling to remember whether or not the raw (or was it boiled?) egg eating competition was in Papillon or some other film or book.
Oh and thanks for the reply. The miniatures need to be on my ever increasing pile of lead.
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Cool Hand Luke.
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Indeed!!! Found it on youtube! :) Thanks Plynkes! Papillon was the one with the uncomfortable hiding spots...
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Cool Hand Luke.
Another great prison flick. Newman's best role IMO. There are few references to it in the Coen film.
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You can't go far wrong with those Pam Grier Jungle Women's Prison movies...
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/BigDollHouse.jpg)
I suggest the Arumbaya needs a female correctional institute along its banks too. ;)
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LOL
I think it is this movie...for more inspiration !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRBQnuDEmFc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7OM3uvZgi4&feature=related
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Hmmm an old womans prison along the banks.... think it would slow down play? ;)
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Hmmm an old womans prison along the banks.... think it would slow down play? ;)
That depends... is it a prison filled with aged female inmates or an old prison with prisonerettes in their prime? I guess the latter would prove much more of a distraction. lol
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Yet another thread of mine pulled down into the gutter. >:D You boys should stop painting miniatures and get yourselves some nice girlfriends. No get back on topic and tell me how wonderful my miniatures are. ;)
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Ah, true wargames would ensue should I obtain a girl friend...my wife would launch an immediate offensive.... ;)
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Yet another thread of mine pulled down into the gutter. >:D You boys should stop painting miniatures and get yourselves some nice girlfriends. No get back on topic and tell me how wonderful my miniatures are. ;)
Your figures are wonderful :)
Now, back on topic, I do believe that Pam Grier came out of her top in that last clip ;D
cheers
James
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Only on LAF could we go from this:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=29273.0;attach=3848;image)
to this:
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/BigDollHouse.jpg)
and get no complaints lol lol
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Only on LAF could we go from this:
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=29273.0;attach=3848;image
to this:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/BigDollHouse.jpg
and get no complaints lol lol
Well, the Hammster himself did complain... more modern Scandinavian sensibility than venerable Viking ferociousness, apparently. ;)
Honestly, I think if he actually showed some more pics of the steamer, it would take people's minds back to the jungle, erm, topic. *hint hint*
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Yet another thread of mine pulled down into the gutter. >:D You boys should stop painting miniatures and get yourselves some nice girlfriends. No get back on topic and tell me how wonderful my miniatures are. ;)
You got 6 pages worth of attention, of course it'll derail sooner or later ;)
Did you order the flamingoes?
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You got 6 pages worth of attention, of course it'll derail sooner or later ;)
Did you order the flamingoes?
No I did not. I feel I have to start working on the board before I do anything like that.
I have been looking at various roll-up solutions like waxed table cloth and vinyl carpeting but it is hard to find the right colouration in the former (mud) and the latter will become unnecessarily expensive unless I by some lucky fluke manages to run across something in a dumpster. I'd like to have a board roughly 150 by 300 cm in dimensions.
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What's that, something like 3' by 5'?
How about a cheap wax table cloth that you dye yourself?
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What's that, something like 3' by 5'?
How about a cheap wax table cloth that you dye yourself?
5'x10', rather. I wonder if, in a worst-case scenario, you could get it printed on semi-gloss poster paper? Obviously, that would suffer with regard to resilience...
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5'x10', rather. I wonder if, in a worst-case scenario, you could get it printed on semi-gloss poster paper? Obviously, that would suffer with regard to resilience...
...but a couple of coats of varnish should help toughen it.
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Yes, I have considered paper but I don't want any crinkles and shit. Won't it be very difficult to dye wax cloth? I mean it is designed to withstand stains and liquids.
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Well, I believe that there are different types of wax cloths§ :)
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How about wax paper that you use for cooking, that's already a brown colour and should roll up nicely :)
cheers
James
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How about wax paper that you use for cooking, that's already a brown colour and should roll up nicely :)
cheers
James
I take it you are jesting... >:D
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No, you can get really thick stuff and it's cheap enough so it doesn't matter that much if it breaks after a couple of uses (you can use it too bake cakes with afterwards :))
cheers
James
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Motor Lunch 1 of the HMS Reckless, for now named 'Toot':
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/MotorLaunchesDone1.JPG)
The second one, temporarily named 'Puddle'
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/MotorLaunchesDone2.JPG)
Both names comes from one of Fivers', Son of Hammers, morning shows.
Here they are manned by 16 of the RN Landing party.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/MotorLaunchesWith LandingParty.JPG)
I have shown these elsewhere, but upon request I can do close ups. I have been considering ordering new ones to paint in RN whites or to strip these and redo them as I thought I was not happy with the PJ. As it happens I am not, they look quite al right held in one's hand. I may just leave them as they are. I mean, do I really need two sets?
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I think they are great! :-*
I wouldn't redo them...
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I also like them a lot! Nice weathering and mud-ing! :) And as always very nice detailing.
Should there be a photo with dudes in a boat, cause it ain't showing!
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Sorry. Amended.
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Both names comes from one of Fivers', Son of Hammers, morning shows.
lol how good it is to become such a connoisseur of kids tv shows after some age, another great gift from parenting :)
nevertheless you should make some reference to pigs! ;)
and this project is really ace!
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They look great Hammers :-* :-*
Don't change them, I think you've got them just right 8)
cheers
James
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I love them :-*
But I'm missing a driver?
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They're great, don't change them.
Just get some more and paint them in whites. :)
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I love them :-*
But I'm missing a driver?
'Driver'... You fucking lubber...
It's 'master', 'navigator' or 'pilot' and they are the Second Lieutenant in ´Puddle' and he First Mate in 'Toot'. See, right there, next to the other fellow and the chap in dark blue. ;)
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Welll, when I say 'monsters'...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Birds_.JPG)
These will all be dispersed between various elements of the game, mostly for decoration.
It was very rewarding painting these. You can learn a lot about the plight of macaws as you are looking for inspiration to paint them. Fivers, Son of Hammers was very enthusiastic as we've been watching the trailer of 'Rio' together...
Some pics:
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/scarlet-macaw.jpg)
Scarlet Macaw, Ara macao
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/macaw_617_600x450.jpg)
Hyacinth Macaw, Anodorhynchus hyacinthinus
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/bg_macaw_front.jpg)
Blue-and-Gold Macaw, Ara ararauna
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/gr.military macaw.jpg)
Military Macaw, Ara militaris
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/3971813601_78c8a11f6a.jpg)
Spix's Macaw, Cyanopsitta spixii
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/tucan.jpg)
Toco Toucan, Ramphastos toco
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/cockatoo.jpg)
Sulphur-crested Cockatoo, Cacatua galerita,
I know, I know, cockatoos are not indigenous to the Amazon basin, but I figure one must gotten loose from some globe-trotting sailor at some point...
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More monster encounters...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/BlacC.jpg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Black-caiman.jpg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/BlackCaymans1.JPG)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/BlackCaymans2.JPG)
These last ones are waterline models from Ral Parths. I've filed down the base to make them rest snugger to the board. The water has npt been painted yet on these as I have yet to determine it's colour.
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All the components are coming together, and it is looking Sooooo good. I am simply loving watching eveything materialise before my eyes. What will be next.....bird eating spiders?
And will there be any aeronautical element? An ancient WW1 floatplane covered in rust and lianas?
I *have* considered it. Alas, there are so many clichés to embrace...
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I also like them a lot! Nice weathering and mud-ing!
Muddying is not very RN, is it? Most navies are notorious for their cleanliness. 'Spick and spam' and all that. They still look about right for the game, I think. I sort of wish I had cut the forward canopy shorter. I think it would make it look more main boat and less pleasure yacht. It also would make room for two more crewmen per vessel.
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Rubbish photo which I will have to reshoot but here goes:
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/NestofJararacas.JPG)
Deck of Fate blurb:
Your (foremost) ship has hit an overhanging branch and managed to shake down a tangle of jararacas. Enraged by being interrupted in their lovemaking they slither down and lashes out against d6-1 members of your crew. Roll against a humpty-humpty attack as per usual per crewman bitten.
Jararacas:
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/jararaca.jpg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/jararaca.gif)
I was considering paitning them up as fer-de-lances, just because of the cool name, but jararacas seem more appropriate.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/fer_de_lance.jpg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/fer_de_lance2.jpg)
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"Snakes. Why'd it have to be snakes?"
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The animals are great additions!! You should see if you can find a CD somewhere with Jungle sounds... :D Are the macaws and parrots from Mega Miniatures?
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Are the macaws and parrots from Mega Miniatures?
Yes, and Brigade.
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The colours on those birds are fantastic.
I'd leave the RN launches as it - they have that well used feel to them.
Deadly looking the snake - would hate one of my figures to stumble on it!
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Those birds are great, love the colouring.
Who makes the snakes?
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Those birds are great, love the colouring.
Who makes the snakes?
They are of three makes, I think. Citadel, Ral Partha and ...one more.
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(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/dugout_ready.JPG)
The bottom of the dugout is magnetic so that the Indians don't rattle around as you move it. In fact, you could probably send it down the Cataratas del Iguazú and they'd be standing falling down.
I may still add some stowage and perhaps a stack of paddles later on. I am also planning to build one more canoe.
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Peder, this just continues! Its amazing :-*
And I sincerely hope that you'll get pass the infamous wall in board building and actually finish this one! :)
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Beautiful! I love the parrots.
The magnetic bottom is a great idea - one to be stolen ;)
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I hate snakes! :o (can't even stand to look at a photo of one, it brings me out in a cold sweat :-[
Lovin this thread though, its coming together really well, I especially like the colourful birds, I was at Leeds castle this week and they have an aviary fullof Macaws and toucans, lots of which I recognise from your painting. Terrific stuff. ;D
I can't wait to see the whole ensemble together :)
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Visiting Grand Cayman island recently for my son's wedding, I managed to find a Pet shop and there were a number of Toucans/Macaws there (caged) and they are very big birds - about half the height of a person when you measure top of head to tip of tail.
Snakes? Likewise - Cold sweat!! :-[
I hate snakes! :o (can't even stand to look at a photo of one, it brings me out in a cold sweat :-[
Lovin this thread though, its coming together really well, I especially like the colourful birds, I was at Leeds castle this week and they have an aviary fullof Macaws and toucans, lots of which I recognise from your painting. Terrific stuff. ;D
I can't wait to see the whole ensemble together :)
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I hate snakes! :o (can't even stand to look at a photo of one, it brings me out in a cold sweat :-[
It's rats with me. Snakes just do what they do to any average person but I have to say that these particular species of vipers look like right little fuckers, don't they? The jararaca almost looks like it like it has a pattern of skulls 'n bones on its back.
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Wow some great additions to the project :-* :-* :-*
I am gobb smacked at the the production rate.
The level of detail on this project is going to been great :-* :-* :-*
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YES!!! YES, YES, YES! :-* Great stuff, Hammers!
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Snakes? Bypass them, Spiders? Swat them, Rats? Phfff, Mosquitoes scare the heck out of me! They can totally mess you up or kill you! ;)
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Another Deck of Fate encounter miniature:
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/TarotHighPriestess.JPG)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/MamboAsogwe.JPG)
The blurb will read something like:
You have pulled the Number II, the couple, the opposites that meet, the impolite act. The High Priestess represents river creed, impulse control, spiritual love.
On the river bank appears the local Mambo Asogwe who starts to holler at you in a carrying cocoa-momma voice:
"Yo! YO! Yes, I'm talking to you, muthafuckers! You niggas be going da wrong way, you hear!? You better steer yo asses well cleah from dat ripple in da watah right there, you hear me!? No THERE! You stupid AND blind?! Ok, then, y'all take care, you hear... That's awight... You're welcome. Now God bless y'all, muthafuckers!"
Keep this card and use it to annul the next event or forced action foreseen by the Mambo where your vessel hits an obstacle.
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Oh, I for got to mention that, as you can see, I crammed the posion dart frog into that there photo. They are so tiny they don't really deserve an piccy of their own.
Inspirational photo:
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/dart-frog.jpg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/dyeing-poison-dart-frog_5835_600x450.jpg)
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Haven't commented on this thread so far, but wanted to chime in to say that it's looking absolutely gorgeous. The ex-Zoology student in me gets a secret thrill by the attention you're paying to the fauna! I love the birds and the canoe particularly.
Tiny point – saying mambo asogwe is a bit like saying 'priest bishop'. Although asogwe is a level of Vodou initiation (and the most senior level), the priest would still only use the title mambo or houngan (depending on whether they're female or male. You might get some game mileage from the snake though, representing the great spirit Damballah, who orders chaos and represents the dualities of death and rebirth... ;)
Loving this project though, can't wait to see even more. :-*
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Tiny point – saying mambo asogwe is a bit like saying 'priest bishop'. Although asogwe is a level of Vodou initiation (and the most senior level), the priest would still only use the title mambo or houngan (depending on whether they're female or male.
Great input, thanks! I am certainly no initiate, my knowledge springs entirely from the Forbidden Tome of NecroWikipedia where the nomenclature mambo asogwe (double word) is used.
I have heard the word damballa before but not its meaning.
The miniature, a McVey studio, is gorgeous but a complete bastard to paint because of its detail and level of definition. How their studio painter (McVey himself?) has managed his result just boggles my mind.
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The miniature, a McVey studio, is gorgeous but a complete bastard to paint because of its detail and level of definition. How their studio painter (McVey himself?) has managed his result just boggles my mind.
Before picking up his paintbrushes, he probably made an offering of a bottle of rum and a chicken. I believe that's the usual transaction to gain such powers! lol
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Lovely stuff Hammers. Very inspiring!
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Those of you who follow this thread must have noticed there's been little progress lately. Well, I have been away to the summer cottage, among other things, and left the paint brushes in their stand for a while. I have however during my vacation been looking for material for the board and I have been somewhat successful. More about that later...
Meanwhile, another Event from the Deck of Fate, The Hierophant:
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/TheHierophant.JPG)
One idea for the blurb is the following:
The Oracle has placed 'The Hierophant' before you on the table. Five symbolizes the pentacle and the perfect man. The Hierophant represents belief in the Spirit, the comfort of tradition, but also signals intolerance and unending grudges.
Suddenly you hear the cool, mellow tunes of a Hammond organ wafting across the water. The source of the music turns out to be a few brethren of a nearby Jesuit Mission and their indigenous charges gathered on the rivers edge close to your vessel. Depending on your current situation one of the following will happen:
If you are, or have been exchanging fire with any Indians the Jesuits will turn against you with religious zeal and they won't stop till they won or have suffered martyr's deaths, the lot of them. The unit cannot be broken nor pinned.
If you are not, or have not been, in conflict with any Indians you may point the the Jesuits to one of your opponents who has been, if such exists.
If no team has been in conflict with Indians so far, the Jesuits will tell you 'Bless you, my sons' and be on their merry way. Save the card and use it to discard any one Deck of Fate card you pull in the consequent turns.
The miniatures:
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/JesuitMission.JPG)
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Nice idea Hammers,very Jesuitical (they as an religous order are known for their cleverness and dare I say tricksiness ;)).
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Shit, I forgot to include the piiccy of the Jesuits... Amended.
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Shit, I forgot to include the piiccy of the Jesuits... Amended.
Worth waiting for - lovely figures!
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Hooray for Hammers and his output! :)
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Shit, I forgot to include the piiccy of the Jesuits... Amended.
And nicely done they are too :)
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I finally settled for the appropriate vessle for the third team (sailors and adventurers):
A got this 1/50 1936 tugboat from Wentzells last week.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=29611.0;attach=4122;image)
I am going to make adjustments for wargaming, for the use for, obviously. It is going to be towing a scratch built barge.
Detailing is very nice, lots of white metal trinkets to glue to the ply-, basswood and mahogany deck.
Pics as work progresses.
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No pic? :(
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for some reason I wasn't able to see the pic too but I've managed to load it via link in Hammers post. See attachment.
Great one, Hammers and love that Arumbaya project, a real source of inspiration!
Edit: any comparison pics of the boat with some 28mm minis?
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excellent stuff hammers
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for some reason I wasn't able to see the pic too but I've managed to load it via link in Hammers post. See attachment.
Great one, Hammers and love that Arumbaya project, a real source of inspiration!
Edit: any comparison pics of the boat with some 28mm minis?
Thanks, Witchy. I shall place Brigade, Artizan and Copplestone sailors on the deck as opportunity arises.
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I wish I lived near you- I'd like to see this stuff in person (and play with it all :) ) Really quite amazing.
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The animals are great additions!! You should see if you can find a CD somewhere with Jungle sounds...
I have all kinds of that stuff. I can help with that, if needed :)
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I wish I lived near you- I'd like to see this stuff in person (and play with it all :) ) Really quite amazing.
It will eventually appear in a SLAM and we shall extend an invitation to you when that time comes. *Hopefully' we'll have a testrun next week.
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Today I received the replacement booklet of T&T(the original was lent to someone and forgotten ab0ut or lost, it is people like me that keeps your venture profitable I am sure, Björn). Now I can start working on the rules for the scenario.
As I reread the rules I realize I most likely will have to have a separate action pile for the vessels and the teams they are shipping.
I like the idea posted early off having the players, as part of the action pile of cards, plot the speed and course of their vessels. All vessels probably need to have designated crews, like masters and engineers, when if hit (as made possible in the T&T vehicle rules) will affect the respective vessels performance. Dugouts would not be affected by this as they are propelled collectively by paddlemen.
I wonder if need to take river current in account or if that is complicating things to much? A vessel, made dead in the water by decision or enemy action, would start floating backwards.
Heavy weaponry, like heavy machineguns and 4lbs-ers, will have fired as a part of the vessels action stack.
Since they are relatively large I think the random T&T Vehicle Damage Table may have to be adjusted somehow. A lucky shot with small arms would have to bee very lucky indeed to blow thedr ships put of the water. I think some kind of accumulative damage results would be more appropriate (unless you role snake eyes which traditionally in wargames should lead to something colourful and gory).
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for some reason I wasn't able to see the pic too but I've managed to load it via link in Hammers post. See attachment.
Great one, Hammers and love that Arumbaya project, a real source of inspiration!
Edit: any comparison pics of the boat with some 28mm minis?
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Tugboatbeams.JPG)
Just one from the hip without boards nor superstructures so you can idea of the size. The overall lenght is about 380mm and the beam measures about 110mm athwartships on its broadest point.
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thank you, Peder, very useful!
now also we know what news site you're reading :D
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"Net scammer cheated Harry Potter-fan" ;)
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That's gonna be a biggy :)
Would it be easier to make it waterline before it's assembled (I don't know if you've glued it at this point)?
cheers
James
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That's gonna be a biggy :)
Would it be easier to make it waterline before it's assembled (I don't know if you've glued it at this point)?
cheers
James
It's not glued together. I am considering various methods.
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The beams of the tugboat are planked over at the Canwee, Floatum & Howe Shipbuilders.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/tugboat2.JPG)
I hope there is some of you who are a bit savvie on boats and ship models because I'd like to ask the following:
A 1936 tugboat is likely to have been built out of steelplate, isn't it? As you can see this model uses stripwood and plywood to give shape to the hull and I think the basswood planking is coming out looking rather nice. It seems like a bit of shame to spackle to hull rather than just sands it gently before painting it. Would that be completely out of place in a tugboat to have planked hull?
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That is looking impressive, can't wait to see it finished. ;D
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The hull is basically completed here are just some fittings which needs to be done fore and aft. Beautiful lines none the less, I think.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/tugboat3.JPG)
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I agree very nice lines :-* :-* :-*
Looks if it could float.
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Nice one, Peder!
And you can actually do it in wood :) Some tugboats were just pressed into service and then had some reinforcement to the hull and a stronger engine.
I do assume that it would be common in such a place as south america.
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Nice one, Peder!
And you can actually do it in wood :) Some tugboats were just pressed into service and then had some reinforcement to the hull and a stronger engine.
I do assume that it would be common in such a place as south america.
Thanks for the advice, Skander. Got any references?
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(http://virtualmuseum.ca/Exhibitions/Kootenay/img/boats/boats/tugs/1983-184-001-wide.jpg)
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It should be added that the pic is from 1898, and 30 years is quite many years.
However, there's a lot of wood in south america, and I assume that it's cheaper to maintain.
And, if you decide to keep the hull in wood (with added details to the prow, aft and other places that might be in need of extra support), you should build it in "kravall" ;)
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That's a beaut, Ag6x, thanks a heap! You know, she's not very much unlike my tuggie, perhaps a bit more narrow over the beam. The model I am building is of German built 1936 origin and was in traffic in the Bosporos.
Also, thanks Bezzo, one doesn't like to be too far of the mark, you know.
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This thread is certainly one of the most interesting/inspirational on this forum… and that say a lot giving the quality of work we see here on LAF 8)
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That's coming together nicely old bean 8)
My uncle (who's been modeling ships for nigh on 50 years) told me that there have been a few examples even in English waters of wooden hulled tug boats but most of them appear to be in private hands and are kept like that more for the love than the practicality :)
Looking forward to seeing a lick of paint on her. Any paticular colours in mind?
cheers
James
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That's coming together nicely old bean 8)
My uncle (who's been modeling ships for nigh on 50 years) told me that there have been a few examples even in English waters of wooden hulled tug boats but most of them appear to be in private hands and are kept like that more for the love than the practicality :)
Looking forward to seeing a lick of paint on her. Any particular colours in mind?
cheers
James
Definitely a black hull, red below the waterline. Deck, natural wood. I just realized I need to plank the deck to if it is to be a wooden bargy. Superstructure, I don't know... yellow ochre, perhaps, with some white detailing? The 'Cacafuego' is dirty white, the motor barges are Navy grey, so something distinct but appropriate, I think. All heavily weathered of course, I want it to be a decrepit old thing.
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Anyone's got a good name for a tugboat? In Sweden they seem to be named after persons, Norse or Greek gods or animals. It doesn't have to be in Spanish, French, English, Portugese or Dutch will also do.
Do tugboats have name prefixes like other merchant ships? From Wikipedia:
Merchant ships names are prefixed by which kind of vessel they are: MV = Motor Vessel, SS = Steam Ship, MT = Motor Tanker or Motor Tug Boat, MSV = Motor Stand-by Vessel, MY = Motor Yacht, RMS = Royal Mail Ship, RRS = Royal Research Ship, SV = Sailing Vessel (although these can be sub coded as type of sailing vessel).
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This thread is certainly one of the most interesting/inspirational on this forum… and that say a lot giving the quality of work we see here on LAF 8)
Thank you, one tries one's best. :)
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How about 'MT Herge' as a homage (sorry, can't do accents on my itouch).
cheers
James
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Lovely work on that boat! I always balk at proper planking and usually go for a simple shape covered in cardboard.
As for the name, you could pick a date that is somehow significant to you (I would suggest something positive!), and translate it into Spanish (although I don't quite recall for which faction the boat is supposed to be, and couldn't spot it quickly in the thread). So, say you started out this thread on the 24th of May, you could use this as a "Arumbayan National Holiday" and call the boat "Veinticuatro de Mayo".
Or does anyone know what the tugboat in "Tugboat Mickey", a Disney short from 1940, was called (if it had a name at all)? Always loved that one as a child, although the end is sooo sad. But that may be the olden-daye Disney geek speaking.
HAmmers
I want it to be a decrepit old thing.
Only one choice then......the Margaret Thatcher.
Come, come, Bezzo. What did we tell you on politics. ;)
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@Hammers
This is getting more and more interesting, and our new project will be compatible, one way or another, that I am sure of, or will make sure of it heh.
Regarding the boat, I will actually ask Kalle, this is really his area of expertise. He is a båtmensch as you know.
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So, as a mean to recover myself from a smarting defeat in a recent bidding war over a house (as spoken of in another thread) I have immersed myself in my CRotA tugboat sub-project:
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/tugboat4.JPG)
It is not an easy kit when it comes to the details, but I don't mind if it doesn't come out perfect. I want it to look like a worn old thing so I'll use that as an excuse. I was today thinking I would be able to show the complete assembled but yet unpainted kit, but when it came down to it I realize there are still a small list of things to do to. There is still some puttying and sanding to be done. Anchors and life vests are not in place, chains for the winch, cockpit deck, smoke stack rigging, cleats mahogany window frames and doors and main ship's bell. In addition to that, once it is painted I want to add some fender tires and random ropes and stowage.
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Also, today I found an acceptable gaming matt. 10 square meters (2x5.5) of beige somewhat mottled bathroom flooring which I think can pass as silty river water. It is lays flat, it's solid it is somewhat glossy and can be rolled up for storage but, goddamn!, the bastard's heavy! I hope it'll be manageable as I cut it down to my calculated need of 6 sq.m. (2 by 3).
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Lovely boat!
About the name: Hercules (being strong and capable to perform towing duties)
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Lovely work Peder on the tug, well done. You now need a cat to make up the remainder of the crew.
Cheers,
Helen
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You have to love that boat.
I know I do.
I do to, its a work of art. :-*
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Superb tugboat, Pedro :)
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Pedro! lol
I'm calling him that from now on. At least I know how to pronounce it.
I have to admit it is a rather lovely little barky.
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Are you doing work for a museum, now a days?
That is stunningly good work and looks to good for a games table.
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Looks great and I second Helen's call for a ships cat!
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Are you doing work for a museum, now a days?
That is stunningly good work and looks to good for a games table.
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A bit of an exaggeration but thank you. The rest of you to.
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Looks great and I second Helen's call for a ships cat!
I already have one.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/Sailors/Sailors/sailor_marker_with_ships_cat_Jeppe.jpg)
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Ahead of the game as usual Hammers lol lol
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I already have one.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/Sailors/Sailors/sailor_marker_with_ships_cat_Jeppe.jpg)
Lovely work. So Peder, does that cat have a name?
Cheers,
Helen
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Lovely work. So Peder, does that cat have a name?
Cheers,
Helen
Sorry, I have enough trouble coming up with a name I like for the barky itself.
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How about 'Sixten' for the cat? Or 'Freya'?
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Sorry, I have enough trouble coming up with a name I like for the barky itself.
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How about 'Sixten' for the cat? Or 'Freya'?
Both good names Peder. Sixten is a street artist fromSweden and Freya from Norse Mythlogy. How about Freya?
Thanks Peder,
Helen
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Lovely,Hammers; Looking forward to seeing everthing on the table ;)
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Beautiful boat, Hammers! Love where this is going. Very very inspirational.
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What are these called in English?
(http://www.machodykarn.se/ROBURS%20MASKINTELEGRAF.JPG)
They are called 'maskintelegraf' in Swedish but googling machine telegraph doesn't render any correct hits.
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The english term, AFAIK, is "engine telegraph" or "engine order telegraph". One of the most iconic modern nautical items, IMHO. Your boat certainly needs one, with lots of polished brass.
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Westfalia Chris
Considering the impression Hammers is striving to create anything polished would be rare! lol More likely to be a tarnished green.
There's got to be one piece on that poor old vessel that is in pristine shape. Not everybody delights in having dirt, grime and mildew everywhere, you know.
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There's got to be one piece on that poor old vessel that is in pristine shape. Not everybody delights in having dirt, grime and mildew everywhere, you know.
The ships bell :D
cheers
James
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Thank you, I may indeed make one for this vessel to. I have done one before:
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/fiddlybits.jpg)
You can't see it very well due to over exposure but it is the top middle gadget.
Anyhoo, I am asking because I have been contemplating the T&T rules for the vessels.
Having read the vehicle rules a few times I don't think they are quite adequate for this scenario so I will knock out some of my own.
(http://www.prestonservices.co.uk/Telegraph_EngineRm_2.jpg)(http://www.idms.es/images/Engine%20Room%20Telegraph.JPG)
Activation
The ship and its operating crew will get its own unit card. The crew will be divided in sub-crews (watches, if you like) which will all have their own unit cards. The player will have the option of activating watches and vessels in which ever way the think is strategically suitable. I think this will work best since the ships will not only be competing to get to the end of the board first but also need to fight each other and get out of various obstacles on their way. Not all orders are available to the ship or are work slightly different. Orders such as 'Cavalry Action' is obviously not relevant and 'Move and Shoot' involves no penalty.
Movement
All player begins the turn by plotting in pencil the sea route the ship he or she controls on a provided sea chart before anyone moves.
As suggested, the ships will be navigating within speed intervals, and that's where the engine telegraph comes in. Each player will be given one flat cardboard telegraph per vessel which can be set for each activation. The indicated speed will remain till next activation because you can only change speed from one interval to the next one up or down. (Maybe it should be possible to to go between any speed interval in any direction but at the risk of damaging the ship. More about that below.).
So for example:
Ahead
Full 30cm + 2d6cm
Half 20cm + 1d6cm
Slow 10cm + 1d6cm
Standby Still in the water
Stop 5 cm astern (to account for river current)
Astern
Finished with Engines Still in water
Slow 10cm + 1d6cm
Half 15cm+ 2d6cm
Full 20cm + 2d6cm
Speeds will vary between types of crafts. The RN motor launches will obviously be faster than the steamer for example.
Combat
The fighting crews can move about the deck and shoot fight as per the regular rules. Fixed weapons, like deck gun, harpoon gun or rail guns and machine guns must be pointed out in the unit card and are fired as a part of the ships activation as long as they are manned according to its rules (more about the specifics later). The orders for the boat are basically always a 'Move and Shoot' without movement penalties (reduced gun crews will have an effect though).
Close Combat - Ramming and Boarding
Ramming is a bit tricky since the ships I am using for this games are not battle ships per se and not built for it. That said a heavier vessel ramming a smaller midships will obviously have its effects. The way the game will almost certainly mean that some collisions will not be planned and possibly quite bad for both parties. I plan to create a 1d10 damage table close similar to the T&T Vehicle Damage Table to use for ramming and collisions.
If two are within 1 inch/2cm/a miniatures base's bredth from each other the respective parties may board each other. This is where the Close Combat rules will kick in. There are some rules regarding Unit Coherency, ships breaking off from boarding action which have not quite banged out yet.
Ship Dammages
Since the ships are quite big I don't think I will go with the T&T Vehicle rules as they stand. I think a bar adding up accumulative damages I more appropriate. Consider a bar for each barky with a peg which is moved for each damage point taken by a ship. The bar has the traditional green-yellow-orange-red-black intervals where one at the end each turn rolls for effects.
When the peg is in the
Green pretty much nothing happens,
Yellow, small fires may break out or some small speed reduction is the result,
Orange can mean that steering is affected
Red an explosion or severe hull breaches,
Black the ship sinks, is permanently beached or blows up in a spectacular fashion.
The intervals will obviously be shorter for smaller crafts than for the larger.
Damage points can come from many sources. Being rammed should cause a certain number of points, hitting submersed logs or river banks also. All Ranged combat dice from handguns and which is not being absorbed by enemy ship crews should be re-rolled to see if they've hit the ship they on board.
That's t do far. I would very much appreciate your input on this.
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(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/haddocktelegraph.jpg)
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*kicks Chris and Driscoles* Oy! I'm talkin' to ya! Any opinions on the boat rules? Too complicated but you are to polite to comment? :)
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*kicks Chris and Driscoles* Oy! I'm talkin' to ya! Any opinions on the boat rules? Too complicated but you are to polite to comment? :)
I'm sorry, I was quite busy over the last few days finalising my dissertation and chasing after the last missing signatures, so didn't pay the thread the attention it deserves.
As for the rules, without having given them a test run, I would say they should work out very well. The movement rules for various speeds look reasonable enough, and you have provisions for smaller craft being more nimble (I don't think they should be that much faster, but rather more manoeuvrable in the confined areas).
As for damage, taking a cumulative approach is probably a sensible decision. I would hesitate to use the single damage table for anything larger than a launch - you might consider mapping out different sections of the larger ships for purposes of differenciating damage, e.g. a hit on the superstructure (with pilot's house) would yield different results than on the aft section of a sternwheeler. Maybe also to limit the impact on small arms on solidly-built vessels - I would suspect some inches of oak or teak are better at stopping a rifle bullet at long range than the thin planks of a rowboat.
As for firing from vessels, that might be tricky to avoid ships dishing out disproportionate amounts of damage. You could limit the fields of vision of mounted weaponry, add some dead angles close to the hull (lowest depression of the gun barrel) - so a deck-mounted gun on a high-freeboard vessel could not engage anything within, say, 6" of the hull. I am convinced you will use good judgement on that. Close combat reads well, too - no worries on that, and unit coherency could be relaxed in that regard, e.g. measuring a distance from the leader instead of another model - Raw figures within 5" of their leader, Trained and Veteran within 6", and (rare) Elites might go up to 7" without suffering negative effects - figures marooned on an enemy ship could either surrender, fight it out to the death or be removed outright, depending on quality.
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Thanks, Chris, I appreciate your input very much.
I am going away with the Katzenhammers for a few days so I thought I'd show you how the painting of the beast is coming out:
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/tugboat5.JPG)
It is very much a WIP. SOme small but I feel significant details is not in place. I also need to tidy up the messing-down of the superstructure a bit. It came up to splodgy.
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Oh, that ship seriously need a fresh coat of paint ;)
Great WIP Hammers, I really like it 8)
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To be honest Hammers. It's not that common that you see something well painted on the hull, especially not when its just a craft for privateers and criminials ;)
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I like how it's coming together, especially the details 8) :-*
cheers
James
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Loving this project! :-*
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Fantastic project, Hammers, a real source of inspiration ... makes me wanting to start another ship project. So many projects ...
:o :-* :o
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(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/CompletedTugboat1.JPG)
I will take more closeups and from different angles tomorrow.
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WOW :-* :-* :-*
And that's not the naked bums I am talking about before says it is :D
The tyres are a very nice touch.
Some very nice details.
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Looks Damn Fine! The details like the lines and braces on the stacks, the lanterns, tire bumpers and the painted crossed anchors really compliment an already excellent build!! :-* :-* :-*
LB
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Beautiful!! :-* :-* :-* :-*
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Looks Damn Fine! The details like the lines and braces on the stacks, the lanterns, tire bumpers and the painted crossed anchors really compliment an already excellent build!! :-* :-* :-*
LB
Thank you!
Most items comes with the kit. You can obviously go nuts with the details on object like this. So far I have kept it to messing up the paint work and a few additions because from a gaming perspective I really need as many flat spaces as possible to place miniatures on.
I butchered a toy firetruck for the tyres since I felt it take the whole bumpbers takes the whole ship up a notch. They also don't affect the playable space none. There are also a few coils of cordage laying about (in that infernal merchantman way); this is after all a tug boat. I think I will leave it at that. Maybe I will add some removable storage but I have other things to focus on now on the main project.
The anchors are decals, really. The are supposed to go on sides of the stack but I fucked one set up, so I put thee remaining decal on the forward side.
I have still not decided on a name. There have been several good suggestion but I would like one at least slightly comical. 'Carmen Miranda' and 'El Cabrón' are those I have come up with so far. I was planning to paint the name directly on the aft gunwale. Perhaps I should paint it on a name plate fasten with rare earth magnets so I can change the name to suit various harbours and waters?
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She has come up a treat Hammers, lovely work :-*
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What a beaut :-* :-*
Having a changeable name is a good idea :)
cheers
James
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I have still not decided on a name. There have been several good suggestion but I would like one at least slightly comical. 'Carmen Miranda' and 'El Cabrón' are those I have come up with so far. I was planning to paint the name directly on the aft gunwale. Perhaps I should paint it on a name plate fasten with rare earth magnets so I can change the name to suit various harbours and waters?
I like the name "Carmen Miranda" a lot, though the idea with exchangeable name plate is a brilliant one.
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This is turning out just fine. The boat is, to say the least, really beutiful in a craptastic way. Regarding the name I would go for interchangeable plates and name them "Carmencita" and "Fritiof".
"I Samborombon, en liten by förutan gata
den ligger inte långt från Rio de la Plata,
nästan i kanten av den blåa Atlanten
och med Pampas bakom sig många hundra gröna mil,
dit kom jag ridande en afton i april
för jag ville dansa tango.
Dragspel, fiol och mandolin
hördes från krogen och i salen steg jag in,
där på bänken i mantilj och med en ros vid sin barm
satt den bedårande lilla Carmencita.
Mamman, värdinnan, satt ivrån,
hon tog mitt ridspö, min pistol och min manton.
jag bjöd upp och carmensita sa:
-Si, gracias, señor, vamos a bailar este tango!
-Carmencita, lilla vän,
håller du utav mig än?
Får jag tala med din pappa och din mamma,
jag vill gifta mig med dej, Carmencita!
-Nej, Don Fritiof Andersson,
kom ej till Samborombon,
om ni hyser andra planer när det gäller mej
än att dansa tango!"
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I like the name "Carmen Miranda" a lot, though the idea with exchangeable name plate is a brilliant one.
The name is a bit late for the name I have in mind but with a few bunches of bananas as stowage it would make sense. I am leaning towards 'El Cabrón' as it means billygoat, which I find suiting for a vessel used for towing and pushing other ships. As most of you know it is also an insult in spanish, variously translatable as 'asshole', 'dickhead', fornicator or adulterer. Quitey suitable, I think, for a pulp ship with a somewhat seedy crew.
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The name is a bit late for the name I have in mind but with a few bunches of bananas as stowage it would make sense. I am leaning towards 'El Cabrón' as it means billygoat, which I find suiting for a vessel used for towing and pushing other ships. As most of you know it is also an insult in spanish, variously translatable as 'asshole', 'dickhead', fornicator or adulterer. Quitey suitable, I think, for a pulp ship with a somewhat seedy crew.
Agree, viewed in this light, El Cabron is surely a better laternative. Carmen Miranda would better fit to a smart yacht in command of Corto Maltese.
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Oh Peder, she is a beauty, well done in the finished model.
Cheers,
Helen
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Really well done - she looks like she's been around.
There is still a decent playing surface as well, despite all the fine details. Full steam ahead!!
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Obviously, Herr Hammers dont care about late Herr Taube :(
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Obviously, Herr Hammers dont care about late Herr Taube :(
Sorry, missed your post. I like Carmencita. It would work for a lot of scenarios.
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What a cracker. Lovely project this.
:D
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I am leaning towards 'El Cabrón'
That's a great name... for a great looking ship. :-*
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Sorry, missed your post. I like Carmencita. It would work for a lot of scenarios.
Yes it would, and also yield some sort of nice link to our own cultural history, and since Taube was a great South America traveler and adventurer it would fit right in I would dare to say.
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Great work on the boat.
You have made it come alive.
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Thank you again, all, for your kind comments. The do help me keeping the steam up. Speaking of which, remember this...?
(http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=29273.0;attach=3848;image)
Well, what you can't see in that image is that there are some vital items on it which ain't completed. So this is what I am up to right now
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/paddler.JPG)
The 'Cacafuego' has been taken apart and is to be fitted with paddle wheels, more portholes anchors, windlass and stacks of wood (fuel).
The paddlers are a bit of a bastard to put together. I have not been as successful ad Admiral Benbow in finding a toy or model kit to butcher so I've had to make them from scratch.
To the left, in the background, you can see Botocudo and Tupi archers in the final stages of completion. There are also two minis which I will use for the if the tarot Magician major arcana is pulled.
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very promising, Peder, can't wait to see the progress on all that goodness!
Vital items? that one in the middle of the pic is really a source of the vitality.
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Vital items? that one in the middle of the pic is really a source of the vitality.
What?
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Oh shit! How did that end up in there? What will you think of me... :)
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What?
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Oh shit! How did that end up in there? What will you think of me... :)
We'll think you're a bloody star for drinking such a fine brew :)
cheers
James
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Oh shit! How did that end up in there? What will you think of me... :)
Notebook with LAF, a bottle of fine beer, parts of a model ship, some fine and nicely painted miniatures. I would think, you're a man of style.
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This thread is fantastic Hammers! I love the boat! (I have even started thinking of building one of my own...because, you know...I might need one...)
Hopefully I'll get to play with it on a SLAM or GLAM sometime!
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As written above, I've taken the Cacafuego apart for some further work on larger and smaller details both. Right now it's the propulsion. My main inspiration has come from photographs like these:
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/australian-holidays-6.jpg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/colonial08.jpg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/cumberoona-murray.gif)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/paddlesteamer hero_2-1.jpg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/paddle_steamer.jpg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/river_steamer.jpg)
Technically, they are side-wheeler paddle steamer, rivers for the use for. Paddle steamers are not the prettiest of ships to start with and a side-wheelers even less so. A bit of a pig, really. The splashing of the water and the wheel houses making her disproportionally wide across the beam, like a broad hipped and bad tempered matron kicking up up a lot of fuss as she pushes forward. But what character! Ugliness has its own integrity, to paraphrase Gore Vidal.
That said, I made a bit of a mess building the side-paddles and their housing. Having not made a proper drawing of what I wanted to do I just started to put put things together and ended up with this:
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Cacafuego_toolargewheels.JPG)
The wheels and the housing ended up much to wide and a already disproportionate ship has now turned out even more so. I will have to cut the width of those things with at least a third to make it look more balanced. Which is a bit of a bastard since polystyrene glue welds styrene making them not are easy to pry apart. Two steps forward, one back...
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Ha! That paddle steamer is on the Murray River,Australia (nice work Hammers).
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That's right BW. The odd thing is that it looks like she's gone up the proverbial without a paddle. I can't see any see any side-wheels on her in those photos.
Anyhoo, I did something about the wheel houses...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Cacafuego_properwheels.JPG)
The camera lens may still make the look a little too big but IRL, they look OK. I do however feel I need to elongate the hull with about 10 cm. She looks a bit stumpy at the moment.
Pardon all for what may appear as sexist language in this thread. I harbour no ill will (sorry), when talking about ships, sexism comes with the nautical tradition.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/comic-cartoon-thin-and-fat-ladies-walking-on-dock-little-tramp-and-old-barge.jpg)
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PML !!
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PML !!
Progressive multifocal leukoencephalopathy?
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ot quite. peeing myself laughing. :D
Progressive multifocal leukoencephalopathy?
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Thats a serious amount of re-work :o :o :o
Would it not have been easier just starting from scratch?
Then you would of had two cracking boats for your collection :D
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Peder, well progressed, quite a piece of work. I'm not sure but aren't the wheels too large for the Cacafuego hull?
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Having looked at prints and pictures of side paddlers of all shapes and sizes I am fairly confident in saying that I am not far off the mark compared to some of the uglier steamers I have seen. Also the wheels, being white, looks a bit overlarge in the macro setting. I have however lengthened the hull with about 10 cm and will move the wheels back towards the new midships. It just looks better that way. I made the extension out of 5mm foamboard rather than solid XPS (pink foam). That way I now have a engine pit, or hold, to work with.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Cacafuego_longer_hull.JPG)
Proportions are better like this, I think. paddles are about an 25 mm wide, the housing 30 mm. The diameter is about correct, I think. In most images the housing reaches to the upper deck or even a little more.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Cacafuego_pit.JPG)
There are just a few places holders in the hold which opened up as I elongated the hull. I will take a page from Adm. benbows book and make a boiler with the help of gizmology and my bitz box. Cogs, pistons, pipes, balance wheels, furnace, engine telegraph...
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Having looked at prints and pictures of side paddlers of all shapes and sizes I am fairly confident in saying that I am not far off the mark compared to some of the uglier steamers I have seen. Also the wheels, being white, looks a bit overlarge in the macro setting. I have however lengthened the hull with about 10 cm and will move the wheels back towards the new midships. It just looks better that way. .
Yes, agree, it does!
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Looks definitely better now, Hammers. Seems to be a labour of love ... in the end it will be a cracker, I'm sure!
Great work!
:-*
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I agree with the others, however, the boat was beutiful from the start, and I am quite sure that she will end up even more so when you are done.
I am really looking forward to visiting you again on Gotland, especially after having gone through this thread again.
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Thanks, Galland. I am rather happy that the whole project is plodding along in a steady pace. I have not lost interest, which can probably be explained by that it is quite varied in character. Rules, ships, miniatures of different strokes, animals, fluff... That and all the nice comments and interest from LAF members.
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I am using this as a rough guide to the steam engine for Cacafuego. Obviously I won't stick to it religiously since much of it won't bee seen.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Vauxhall Ironworks Engine.jpg)
A bit of progress:
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Cacafuego_boiler.JPG)
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That's looking really good. The better half grew up in Albury which is right on the Murray River, she's been on that paddle steamer.
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Liking the engine so far.
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It may look like a wooden casket but as I understand those ribs are outer protection to insulate the steel of the boiler.
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Looking good there fella 8)
Where is the front (engine plate) from. I assume a railway model kit?
cheers
James
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Looks good! Where did you found that nice boiler front panel?
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I got it from a online bitz vendor (plastic GW stuff). I was looking for some animals, saw that part and thought it may come in handy. I believe it is from a plastic Empire Steam Tank. I've rearranged it quite a bit, grills, bolts and so on. (God bless styrene...).
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That will be good! Whats the boiler hatch from?
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That will be good! Whats the boiler hatch from?
You better read the post above yours ;)
cheers
James
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You better read the post above yours ;)
cheers
James
Nono, I am happy to write everything all over again. Or three times. Whatever it takes, you know.... >:D ;)
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Nono, I am happy to write everything all over again. Or three times. Whatever it takes, you know.... >:D ;)
lol
Go on then ;D :)
And no copy-pasting either... lol
cheers
James
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Some marvelous ideas going on here, especially enjoying the detailed engines and working parts... I may well become sidetracked and try my hand at some sort of steam powered colonial river boat or perhaps something for extra scenery for an ACW game. Some of these vessels would also be great for an Anaconda movie type inspired game with lots of Pulp and that matter gore. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaconda_%28film%29 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rznjLN1FNo.
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Let me start by saying that this engine would come to a grinding stop at the first revolution. I have not aimed for accuracy, just to make it look gadgety enough to pass as a complicated piece of machinery. You can spend ages on dials, knobs, cranks and pistons but I since much of it will be hidden by panels I've taken the practical approach and limited to what you can see here. The smoke stack is not in place yet. I am building it as a separate item since it needs to be removable (for storage).
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Cacafuego_Engine.JPG)
With paddles
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Cacafuego_EnginAndWheels.JPG)
Mounted in hull
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Cacafuego_engineInPlace.JPG)
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Looking great :-* :-* :-*
Where are the dials and taps from?
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Looking great :-* :-* :-*
Where are the dials and taps from?
Scratch built. The round shape are rings cut from various diameter Evergreen styrene tubes with a razor saw and a cutting box. It is fiddly but using cutting, gluing and fitting against a dark tile I did it quick enough to surprise even myself. I find that *what* to do is harder and takes longer than *how* to do it. I spent a good few hours of hobby time just scratching my head how to make it look like an steam engine. Dials and taps are the very thing, I find.
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I love this boat. Not much else to say.
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wow, Peder, that piece looks really complicated! I guess it was a lot of work but it's worth it for sure.
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Yeah, that's a nice looking steam engine, Peder - superb!
:-*
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Hammers,
You are the master of non-accurate cranky machinery!! lol lol
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Hammers,
You are the master of non-accurate cranky machinery!! lol lol
Oh, I don't know... I think Adm. Benbow has a few things to answer for to. :)
Anyway, I will have to put the Cacafuego aside for a bit. I am waiting for some styrene parts I need before I can raise the bulkheads again.
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Wonderful work Peder 8)
It's going to look great with a coat of paint on it :)
Where did the idea for the brass rod on the pistons come from?
cheers
James
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Wonderful work Peder 8)
It's going to look great with a coat of paint on it :)
Where did the idea for the brass rod on the pistons come from?
cheers
James
God knows where... :)
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Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet ... Peder!
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Here's the smokestack I completed today. I may have to trim it for height when the upper decks are in place.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Cacafuego_smokestack.JPG)
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Awesome work, Hammers!
The whole setup - engine, paddle wheels, stack - marvelous stuff!
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That is most impressive ......what am I saying.......it's awesome design and construction!
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Feck sake!!!! :o :o That's some mighty fine scratching!!!
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Sweet moley! :o
Insanely good... this project gets better and better. :D
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Hammers- Is there a planned date for it all to come together?
It is a little like looking at a Breughel painting by viewing 2cm squares sections. Agonising when you long to see the whole thing in all its magnificence. :'(
It's my little sadistic way to draw attention to myself... >:D
Joking, of course. I can't help you, however, since I have given up giving myself deadlines for my projects. I already made people disappointed twice (SLAM I in Stockholm and Galore in Gothenburg) where I in both instances aimed at bringing the game.
I do this as a hobby, it is my foremost private indulgence, and I have learned through the years that when I start treating it as anything but everything goes down the toilet.
But to give you some idea I think that I will have the game ready for game testing sometime during early winter. The Cacafuego should be ready to paint in September, I will probably have time to finish ten little Indians and another dug out to. Come October a steam launch and start collecting roots and twigs for the jungle. This last bit will be quite an undertaking as I want a lot of it but I don't want to spend a fortune on flock.
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But to give you some idea I think that I will have the game ready for game testing sometime during early winter. The Cacafuego should be ready to paint in September
You should not have said it, Peder. I have discovered (in my specific case) that too early announcement of finishing date (before finishing) it’s kind of a bad sign :)
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You should not have said it, Peder. I have discovered (in my specific case) that too early announcement of finishing date (before finishing) it’s kind of a bad sign :)
I was thinking the same as I wrote it. But let me just say right now that if anyone holds me accountable to that time table I ask him or her, in the most polite, nurturing and caring way, to go fuck him- or herself. >:D
By the way, Alex, you promised to have the Wiki-tags in place in a week quite some time ago. :)
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Gentlemen - please allow me to confirm that in no manner, shape, or form did I wish to put any pressure on Hammers for completion. It was just a question of if there was notional target you were aiming at?
After all as everyone knows a fine malt whiskey is best enjoyed in small sips. :P
Never thought you did, Bezzo. I am just Hammering a point in. ;)
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Astonishing! Keep going Hammers! The world is watching :)
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By the way, Alex, you promised to have the Wiki-tags in place in a week quite some time ago. :)
that's what I said, do never announce anything.
I've tried but it doesn't work. Will try it again. Soon. Or later :)
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May plan has been for the tugboat to be towing a barge carrying the camp and members of a set of explorers. The rules will allow for the tugboat to cast the barge loose to be able to increase speed with the trade off of loosing shooters.
The barge is to be a rusty old thing... Here are some inspirational photos:
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/2002%20Old%20barges.JPG)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/3826980.jpg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/imgp0043.jpg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/OdlumMillsBarge118B-JBurke.jpg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/saintjean-drydock-barge.jpg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Soo062809cf.JPG)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/ilya-repin-volga-barge-haulers-1873.jpg)
This last one has little to do with anything but I like this painting a lot. We got to watch it as we listen to that old Russian ditty 'Up the Vol-l-l-gaaa' in music class.
Anyhoo, here is my own attempt what I've completed so far:
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Barge_WIP_1.JPG)
This is a bit of an experiment in how I can do something with the cheapest possible materials. So far I've paid diddly squat for it. There are, like with the Cacafuego some problems with it.
We all know the saying 'wide as a barge' but the proverb doesn't say anyting about the *length* of it. I started to construct this, as I often do, based on the measurements of a miniature base, i.e. 25mm. This is of course to allow for placement and movement on the item in question. BUT as it comes together it becomes apparent that the proportions get all wonky. A barge is not a pretty craft but it has to look right. On the other hand I have no use nor space for a 50 cm long monstrosity so 35 cm will have to do.
Oh well, one of the compromises one has to do. I'll have too set my hopes to that the tarting up, bollards and tyres and so on, will make it look OK.
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Another thing I managed to do today is another dugout.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/indio-canoa.jpg)
I don't think I ever did a WIP on the last one so here it comes.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/CanoeWIP3.JPG)
The materials used are:
1. aluminium mesh
2. Das-Pronto paper mash clay
3. magnetic rubber sheet
4. steel tin plate
The aluminium mesh is to give the canoe a basic form. The Das-Pronto is used to give the the canoe a wood like volume and sandable surface. The magnetic rubber I glued to the bottom of the canoe so that the steel washer bases of the mini will stand firm in it. The tin bottom was added because I noticed that the mesh-paper mash construction wasn't rigid enough for handling by brutish wargamers.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/CanoeWIP1.JPG)
The basic shape comes together quite quickly by forming the mesh. The mesh gives the paper mash a good hold to.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/CanoeWIP4.JPG)
The paper clay is spread evenly all over the mesh, except the steel bottom and the magnetic rubber.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/CanoeWIP2.JPG)
The mash is smoothed with water and, when dry, sanded to shape. It can be completed this far within 30 minutes.
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Whoop!
I recieved the windows, or portholes, rather, from Tichy Train in the US today. Commendable speed of delivery, got them within a week. I can now proceed with the bulkhead constructions of the Cacafuego. These are HO scale,really, but they will work for my purposes.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Cacafuego_TichyTrain.JPG)
The people at Tichy Train must have done some product development since last I ordered these. Now the come with glass and masks for painting.
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Looking good Comrade Peder, really good. I am, like everyone else I suppose, really looking forward to seeing this in all its glory, but, I am patient, and will be savouring it as a good Cuaba on a weekend evening.
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Here it is:
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Barge_WIP_2.JPG)
In reality it probably should be about twice as long but that makes it too big for my purposes.
Card over cardboard so materials are close to free, the only expense laid down is glue and a little bit of styrene for railings and bollards. The ring in front is for the towing cable, the small rings are for tyre bumpers or fastening cargo. It can't be seen very well in this image but there are hundreds of rivets stamped into the card with a hollow tip tool.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Barge_WIP_3.JPG)
A closeup where the rivets may bee seen a little clearer. I'll just add a bit of baking soda over super glue in places where the barge is heavily rusted and crusted. After that its time for painting. The motor is just there to show that if I want to change the vessel from a towed barge to a motor barge i could just place the engine in the hold.
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(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/CanoeWIP5.JPG)
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How many canoe's will be needed for your game?
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Really lie that barge and the idea of using baking soda as rust is brilliant 8) :-*
cheers
James
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How many canoe's will be needed for your game?
Just the two, unless play testing tells me differently. The plan is to only have warriors with clubs in the canoes while archers and other users of missile weapon deploy on the river banks and islands.
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A bit of detailing on the lower deck cabin. The tubing is solder wire, the fire axe is brass wire and solder scratch, the watertank is from an ESCI 1/35 styrene kit with solder wire hose.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Cacafuego_lowecabin.JPG)
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Those of you who have previously been following this thread must have thought I had given up on the project. I did run in to several difficulties as I completely rebuilt the hull of the Cacafuego but I have actually been at it continuously since my last post about two months ago. I have come to realize, with LAFers being treated to all the wonders of the wargaming world on a daily basis, slow progress photos won't keep people interested so I have opted for her being completed before I posted anything new.
She is now completed...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Completed_Full.JPG)
...although I just now realized I have forgotten to make a Paquadorian navy flag for her.
It is a bit problematic shooting big objects like (she measures 450mm LOA, 150 across the beam, and 200 above the waterline) this because one has to deviate from ones normal light set up. In this case there is an evil glare from the main source on the bridge which I could not edit away.
She breaks up in several parts and there are several optional and removable parts on here, like deckgun, machine guns, cargo, searchlight.
The linoleum is a piece of a much larger roll I will use for the river water. It is not perfect but it works, I think. The jungle is just something I clobbered together for the photo. I have yet to make the proper terrain pieces.
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Outstanding! I can almost feel the heat and humidity at dusk,sipping on some sort of rum concocation; whilst the river rolls past........ :)
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bravo, Peder! she is a beaty, I would love to travel on it!
Some close-ups would be great :)
P.S: Actually progress photos would keep me interested.
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Fabulous work! Fitzcarraldo with firepower.
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Thank you.
A close up on the bridge.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Cacafuego_bridge.JPG)
It's flanked by two (removable) Maxim guns. Behind he grimy windows the master, Señor Rabanne, can be seen by the wheel.
A view trying to capture the open engine pit, a paddle wheel and some rust-'n-peel work.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Cacafuego_EnginePit.JPG)
The idea is that the Cacafuego is old and has suffered much neglect in the hands of the Federal river police. To achieve this I superglued bicarbonate powder in strategic places to simulate heavy rust.The entire vessel was b-c:ed in black gesso and oversprayed with two shades of terracotta imitation (see previous post). Wood parts was given a coat of dark brown and grey. Maskol was applied in spots and streaks. It is a bit difficult to see where these would naturally so reference photos are essential. The various parts were then sprayed with light and a light coat of white. When dry, everything was given a wash of water with a drop of flow release and then brown-black ink was made to run into cracks, grooves etc. Excesses was gently wiped off. When everything was dry the Maskol (not always easy to find beneith the paint), revealing the rust.
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A detail shot of the upper deck, and the stowage on the roof of the upper cabins.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Cacafuego_upperdeck.JPG)
It's all plasticard and Tichy Train styrene windows. The handrails are to tall, really, reaching the armpits of the your average Pulp Figure. It's a comprise which had to be made because I wanted to use some brass Graupner handrail poles. The poles are connected with brass wire and fine chain. Everything is soldered together to get a good solid bond.
The ventilator on the cabin roof is a also Graupner, by the way.
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"ICH WILL MEIN OPERNHAUS!" lol
Marvellous work. Maybe a bit heavy on the rust, even for my taste (in some spots it almost looks like camouflage), but the build itself is superb - I love the ornamental supports below the upper deck and the chain railings.
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"ICH WILL MEIN OPERNHAUS!" lol
Marvellous work. Maybe a bit heavy on the rust, even for my taste (in some spots it almost looks like camouflage), but the build itself is superb - I love the ornamental supports below the upper deck and the chain railings.
Yes maskol has that effect. Now that all is in place I will bring out some white and tone it down a bit.
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Detail of aft upper deck.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Cacafuego_aftdeckcanopy.JPG)
The canopy is made from a pair of old boxer shorts, just because they had the right kind of weave. The fabric was cut into the right shapes. I wrapped plastic foil over the structure and glued the fabric in place. When dry i burnt, tore and darned it in place to make it look old. It was then painted tan and stained and spattered with inks.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Cacafuego_aftdeckstructure.JPG)
The support, painted and weathered.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Cacafuego_aftdecksolderwork.JPG)
The canopy structure was made from soldered brass wire. You can here see how the handrails were made to.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Cacafuego_aftdeckbare.JPG)
I made the canopy because 'it looks right' but I realized from the start that it is not very practical from a gaming standpoint. It is therefore removable. Here I have loaded the deck with bundles of wood for the boiler. They will work as cover in a fire fight to.
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This is really outstanding work. I dont think I could build such a model steamer.
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Fantastic work 8)
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Yes, yes, all bloody marvellous and wonderful BUT where are the chickens? ;D
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Yes, yes, all bloody marvellous and wonderful BUT where are the chickens? ;D
I should be able to reuse these.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/LPL/LPL5/ChickenMerchant.jpg)
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That is such a great build. Wonderful work Hammers. Full of tabletop promise.
Please can you reassure us that the canopy was painted and did not come off your backside that colour!!! lol
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Fan. Bloody. Tastic.
Superb Peder! A work of art and labour of love.
When can I play with it? :D
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Yowsers! What a rusty beauty! :-* You are a maniac and a wargames project prodigy!
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Toooo much information :o :o :o
Could you not just tell us it was a bit of flannel or something lol lol lol
Looking great :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
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What an absolute beauty :-* :-* :-*
Oozing with character and 'flavour' 8)
cheers
James
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That is such a great build. Wonderful work Hammers. Full of tabletop promise.
Please can you reassure us that the canopy was painted and did not come off your backside that colour!!! lol
You're saying that's an unfashionable colour for kecks? If it is, I might as well dump the whole drawer in the bin.
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Just turn 'em inside out, there's at least another week's wear in 'em that way.
Curious. The popular image of Scandinavians is of healthy living and hygienic folk, well apart from the various bearded habitués of the world's youth hostels that is.
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Holy S--t. Always wanted to know what I could use my old underwear for.
All kidding aside, wonderful ship, love it. :-*
In fact this whole thread is so cool, have enjoyed it all.
Thank you.
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Just wonderful Peder.
Cheers,
Helen
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Thank you for your kind comments. This model was a bit of a head ache. I went about it the wrong way and had to go back and rethink and rebuild stuff a few times. Exploratory model building (i.e. making it up as you go along) doesn't work for me. I need spend time on plans and sketches next time.
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This steamer is really fantastic! …and really a big one! I love the rotten look and the beautiful details. :-* :-* :-*
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Superb work, wonderful stuff ;D :-*
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How have I managed to miss this thread so far :o stunning modelling and painting skills all round..and where are the wee chaps with the blow pipes form?
Love the Tupi too :-*
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I could do with some input on how to design the Paquadorian flag. Many Latin American countries have quite impressive such, often emblazon with the national coat of arms. I'd like use that and make something fun out of it for the Federales Naval de Paquador, Distrito Arumbaya.
Take the Mexican flag, for example...
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/Flag_of_Mexico.svg/800px-Flag_of_Mexico.svg.png)
...an eagle snacking on a rattle. Pretty balsy, I think. The Argentinian one, one the other hand... well, the flag is nice and friendly...
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Flag_of_Argentina.svg/800px-Flag_of_Argentina.svg.png)
...and the Coat of Arms even more so...
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Coat_of_arms_of_Argentina.svg/424px-Coat_of_arms_of_Argentina.svg.png)
It looks like Santa Claus is taking a break from raking leaves and is being congratulated on a job well done.
So, what heraldry would would do justice to the glorious republic of Paquador and its President-for-Life Don Carlos Marighela de Poste y Restante? A winged armadillo? A howling monkey rampant regardant trampling a gecko?
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I think this has to be the central emblam of any South american flag myself
(http://www.ewinddesigns.com/shop/images/PK59141.jpg)
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I think this has to be the central emblam of any South american flag myself
(http://www.ewinddesigns.com/shop/images/PK59141.jpg)
lol Not bad...
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Found this..you sure you made the name up :o
http://www.xtratime.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=24402&stc=1&d=1244733028
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Found this..you sure you made the name up :o
http://www.xtratime.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=24402&stc=1&d=1244733028
Never claimed I did, quite the opposite if you check previous posts. It's from a Harry & Paul skit where the Paquadorian national football team meets the English but start by sings their national anthem for the first half the game just to beat the English 13 to 12 in the second. :D
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Never claimed I did, quite the opposite if you check precious posts. It's from a Harry & Paul skit where the Paquadorian national football team meets the English but start by sings their national anthem for the first half the game just to beat the English 13 to 12 in the second. :D
My bad lol
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Hmm. I'm touched by the homage old boy.
Now.... flags? You know I'd be tempted just to lift the Paraguayan flag, it's virtually a fictional country as it stands today. Given the main, perhaps only, industry Paraguay is known for is illicit and fake goods, I'd modify the central emblem by substituting a Rolex and perhaps add a suitable motto like 'DKNY Gucci Sanyo'
Now if you want a fertile source of weird and wonderful flags, look no further than Brazil's various state flags. Acre and Rondônia might suit and they probably aren't a million miles from your fictional setting. Personally 'm fond of the Pernambuco flag. Every Pride Parade should feature one. Well every Pride parade that's endorsed by the church that is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_Brazilian_states
Armadillos? Nah. Want a heraldic beast then you want the giant sloth. Native to those parts and it just screams laid back. It's not coincidental that the Portuguese name for the sloth is preguiça or lazy.
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Hmm. I'm touched by the homage old boy.
Now.... flags? You know I'd be tempted just to lift the Paraguayan flag, it's virtually a fictional country as it stands today. Given the main, perhaps only, industry Paraguay is known for is illicit and fake goods, I'd modify the central emblem by substituting a Rolex and perhaps add a suitable motto like 'DKNY Gucci Sanyo'
Now if you want a fertile source of weird and wonderful flags, look no further than Brazil's various state flags. Acre and Rondônia might suit and they probably aren't a million miles from your fictional setting. Personally 'm fond of the Pernambuco flag. Every Pride Parade should feature one. Well every Pride parade that's endorsed by the church that is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_Brazilian_states
Armadillos? Nah. Want a heraldic beast then you want the giant sloth. Native to those parts and it just screams laid back. It's not coincidental that the Portuguese name for the sloth is preguiça or lazy.
A sloth! That's it! A sloth d'or couchant dormant inverte, under a branch of laurel. Perfect! What's 'Don't disturb.' in latin?
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Priceless description of the Argentine coat of arms btw. I had a good long chuckle over that. lol
Contrary to what one might expect Argentinos aren't renowned for a well developed sense of humour, save maybe for their choices in football managers, so you might want to be careful repeating that in front of them. Then again perhaps the collective Argentine sense of irony is so deep and opaque that it's beyond the powers of gringo understanding. The Argentine economy and their national politics do seem to be informed by some sort of post-modernist, self knowing sense of irony. ;)
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Noli perturbare it shall be. I think it is quite funny.
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Or another national motto might be:
"manana? a lo mejor"
(which I hope means something like "Tomorrow? Maybe."
Hmm that may run you into copyright problems, as that is the alternative motto of Aerolineas Argentinas, their primary one being 'siempre atrasado'. It used to be 'siempre arribe' but they found that wasn't quite as comforting as they first though and opted for something a little more honest.
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You don't have to answer, carlos, if you don't care to but I have ask: where are you from? You're sort of our in house cultural attaché of South America but you still have a distinct British flair which make me curious.
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Quite OK, no mystery. UK born, Worcs as it happens. Raised in Australia. Brazilian wife and spend part of each year in Brazil, where I lived for a little while and met my wife. My daughter's godmother is Argentine as is her husband so they are used to my jokes. If I had my way I'd reverse the balance and spend the bulk if not the enirety of my time in Brazil.
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Ah. Cool. Just thought I ask. Myself I am so very Swedish that I cling on to a 16th part Scotishness just to feel a little interesting. We Swedes do this to our selves, see, that's what's so interesting about us. :)
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All I know is that Swedes usually look like this
(http://brusimm.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Christopher-Heyerdahl-in-Hell-on-Wheels-2.jpg)
and are quite creepy! ::)
Really like the "Noli perturbare" motto. Looking forward to the flag. This is one of the reasons I enjoy your projects. You go into such detail creating a little story. Wish I'll be having some more space soon to be able to do something similar (with less skill though! ::) )
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Yeah, it's funny what informs our sense of self. My family are all Brits, I've spent the preponderence of my life in Oz and I'm quite comfortable with either characterisation, I have both passports anyway. That said and at the risk of sounding presumptious, I suspect that the greater part of my soul is now Brazilian. My wife sometimes says I'm more Brazilian than gringo. My football team, my preferences in food, music and general lifestyle certainly are. I've travelled throughout much of the country and it's a place I'm passionate about, which doesn't mean I'm blind to its faults, I just love the country and the people. I feel oddly more comfortable there than I do in Oz in many ways. My children enjoy the luxury of being eligible for three passports and their heritage is as colouful as Brazil; African, Portuguese, indigenous and God knows what else, to which my contribution has been English and Welsh heritage.
My side of the family does have a long link with South America. My great-great-grandfather used to ship goods to South America and pick up Chilean nitrates and other commodoties on his own vessels. I harbour suspicions that I may have distant long lost cousins spread from Bahia to Valparaiso. I certainly kept a weather eye out for some when I was in Chile. :)
So my icon is Brazilian (my football team) and even my screen name. The original Carlos Marighela or 'Marighella' if you prefer the proper spelling was a much more interesting fellow than I. Brazil's answer to Guevara but without the t-shirt potential. Now there's a thought......
Self indulgent ramble over.
Again, fantastic work on that boat. The only addition I would make would be some washing left out to dry, gives it a 'lived in' feel. One day should we settle permanently, I'll try and get a SALAM up and running.
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This is one of the reasons I enjoy your projects. You go into such detail creating a little story. Wish I'll be having some more space soon to be able to do something similar (with less skill though! ::) )
I go into story telling mode when I do a project. Always have. It's my poison, really, keeps me happy.
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I'll try and get a SALAM up and running.
I'll do my best to turn up. :)
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(http://brusimm.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Christopher-Heyerdahl-in-Hell-on-Wheels-2.jpg)
Well, that's all wrong, this is what we all look like:
(http://swenglishrantings.com/swenglishrantings/Bilder/BikiniTeamPost/swedflagteam.jpg)
I am the one to the far right, General Roos is second from left.
it is going to interesting to see if and how the American versions off the Millenium films are going to change the percetions of Sweden.
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Jeez, Paul Hick's talent is really going down the drain! He got your likeness all wrong! lol
And now tell us what the right procedure is to become a Swede! :o (Something tells me it'll include a fish!)
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God, looking at that pic, blue makes me look *fat* ... :(
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And now tell us what the right procedure is to become a Swede! :o (Something tells me it'll include a fish!)
No, you got that wrong - you start as a parsnip, then get promoted to carrot, and if your conduct is impeccable and you have the right seniority, you proceed to swede.
;)
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lol lol You nutters! :)
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All I know is that Swedes usually look like this
(http://brusimm.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Christopher-Heyerdahl-in-Hell-on-Wheels-2.jpg)
and are quite creepy! ::)
Spot on! :?
Well, that's all wrong, this is what we all look like:
(http://swenglishrantings.com/swenglishrantings/Bilder/BikiniTeamPost/swedflagteam.jpg)
I am the one to the far right, General Roos is second from left.
Didn´t we agree not to show this picture to anyone Hammers? :-[
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Yeah, true identities should not be revealed, that is what Avatars are for. lol
Spot on! :?
Didn´t we agree not to show this picture to anyone Hammers? :-[
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When they said they were Swedes, I just assumed they lived in Norfolk. :)
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I love how this whole thing is coming together, Hammers! :)
And remind me to order some of those windows you bought for the boat. You got any good pictures of them next to a miniature? I'm an arse when it comes to those mumbojumbo letters.
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(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Cacafuego_parts.JPG)
1. Hull, lower deck, engine pit, lower front and aft cabins w. stairwell
2. Aft upper deck
3. Bridge
4. Aft canopy structure
5. Wood stacks for fuel (doubles as cover)
6. Left to right, bow deck gun, two Maxim HGs for bridge, one Browning HG for aft.These are inter exchangeable as they are fastened with RE magnets (so is 9.)
7. Upper cabin
8. Engine
9. Searchlight
10. Port paddle wheel w. housing
11. Starbord, paddle wheel w. housing
12. Aft canopy
13. Upper deck supports
14. Smoke stack
15. Lantern mast
16. Various cargo (tarpaulin clad, oil drums, chests, wire spools)
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I just finished ten more indians.
Tupi archers
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/TupiArchers.JPG)
Botocudo archers
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/BotocudoArchers.JPG)
...and just for the fun of it, the full Arumbaya Indian Confederacy...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/ArumbayaConfederacy.JPG)
These are all the Indians I plan to use in the game. Phew... fun to paint but glad I am done.
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Great skin tones, and the colors of the feathers work wonderfully. Impressive stuff- it's nice to see the project coming together. I'm nearing completion on a two-year endeavor myself and I can finally see the light at the tunnel's end :)
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Man! Nice work again Hammers,cracking :-*
As for the ladies ;D I knew a Finnish girl once........ :D
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Nice work Peder on the Tupi.
Cheers,
Helen
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Nice work Peder on the Tupi.
They look really good indeed! 8)
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Thanks, people!
I am impatiently awaiting the moment when I can take a group photograph of all the vessels. They already look pretty good together where they stand in the window but I have to brace myself since there are a few more things to do before the whole armada is ready.
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Lovely Tupi. I have a load of unpainted Eureka ones. Every time I pick up my brush to paint them it's like facing off against fifty odd, slightly smaller versions of my mother in-law. :D
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Lovely Tupi. I have a load of unpainted Eureka ones. Every time I pick up my brush to paint them it's like facing off against fifty odd, slightly smaller versions of my mother in-law. :D
If you want to lose some of them, I'd be happy to take them off your hands. I understand they are smaller than the Copplestone ones but I'd be fun to paint a few.
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This is coming together very nicely indeed 8) :-* :-*
cheers
James
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As for the ladies ;D I knew a Finnish girl once........ :D
Now that's a dangerous route to go down - I ended up living with mine!
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And remind me to order some of those windows you bought for the boat. You got any good pictures of them next to a miniature? I'm an arse when it comes to those mumbojumbo letters.
*Cough*
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*Cough*
Like this one?
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Cacafuego_upperdeck.JPG)
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Love the skin tone on the natives :-* :-* :-*
This is an amazing project. Keep it up.
Really loving this thread.
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Like this one?
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Oh yeah, baby!
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Those Indians are fantastic !
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Beautiful! Very inspiring. :)
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It is getting better and better!!! Those Indians are fantastic! I love those feathers… :-*
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Hello again! Some progress!
Based on a discussion in another thread I ordered some sample of synthetic lawn grass to use as reeds on the river terrain. The one below is called Silk Grass 65...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/SilkGrassReeds.JPG)
...and i think it looks quite good. The shag is two coloured 65mm tall and it is supposed, for its original purpose, to be dressed with sand. That way, among other things, the grass will stand up. 'Tis true, it lays a bit flat without it and I want tall reed, tall enough to hide a miniature, so I will see what I can do to stand up better. This is what it looks like beside the Cacafuego...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/SilkGrassReeds2.JPG)
Not shabby, I think. I ordered samples (they were free) of other types of lawn to...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/SilkGrassReeds3.JPG)
The above one is called Wild Grass. It is multi coloured and multi directional. Not bad but more unkempt than I want my reed islands to be. Maybe you have noticed that stands of reeds look quite well combed from a distance.
The price for these products is roughly €50 per square meter. I will need 1 to 2 sqm.
I am constantly on the lookout for cheap plastic plants to use for the jungle bordering the river, and these were both cheap and good looking...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/PlasticPlants1.JPG)
Also, while in Stockholm last week I sourced this idol from the SciFi Bookshop.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/ArumbayaFetish.JPG)
Recognize it? I think I am going to use it as an objective in the game.
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Thsi project just keeps on getting better and better. I can't wait to see the finished layout ;D
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That grass looks great. What kind of store are you sourcing it from?
I am wondering what it would spray and brush up like?
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That grass looks great. What kind of store are you sourcing it from?
I am wondering what it would spray and brush up like?
It's from a Swedish distributor Konstgräsexperten but the products are from manufacturers Royal Grass, Xtreme Turf and Proplay.
In my case there is no need to brush or spray it. It is two toned, shades of green. I want mine to look lush so I'm good. The grass is soft plastic so there's a risk any paint would wear off.
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Recognize it?
Oh yes :)
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Inspired and inspiring! :-* I shall have to investigate the prospects of getting some of that grass here in the US.
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That grass looks great if a bit shiny for my taste :)
I agree on a 'whole' set up so far if possible 8)
cheers
James
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I saw some amaziingly good looking astro turf in a Bunnings not long ago, very realistic and with a blend of colour going from root to leaf. Trouble was the price. Horrificly $$$$ per square meter.
On a vaguely related matter. Ikea had a fluffy mat in two shades of light green, that looked like it would produce some very nice crop fields suitabel with 28mm figures. IIRC it was about $14 AUD for a decent sized mat, maybe 4 foot X 4 foot.
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That grass looks great if a bit shiny for my taste :)
It is not so bad in reality, the light is hitting at a bad angle. But sure, it's a bit lush. You see the other greens in that post? If you rub them between your fingers you get the same oily sheen as most plastic plants but they have received some kind of matting agent wash. Maybe I should try something like that. The immediate trouble is how to make the reeds stand taller.
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The immediate trouble is how to make the reeds stand taller.
Gentle heat applied and then perhaps 'combing' them ???
Dunno, with them being quite thin, any heat applied might make them curl.
cheers
James
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Gentle heat applied and then perhaps 'combing' them ???
Dunno, with them being quite thin, any heat applied might make them curl.
Well, I don't need any reed 'froes. :)
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I used the same stuff as tambookie grass on my Zulu board...you just have to give it a couple of thin washes over with some matt paint blended with a bit of PVA, and that removes the shine and adds a bit of much needed variegation ;)
To whit:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/8/577_14_02_11_11_44_59_0.jpg)
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Based on some online pictures I have collected the last few months I have started some exploratory making of river bank scenery pieces. Here are a few of the photos...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Amazonas/2010-09-17-09-02-12-1-amazon-river-is-the-greatest-river-in-the-world-t.jpeg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Amazonas/Amazon_WIll_DeniMcIntyre_Getty460)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Amazonas/AmazonRiver.jpg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Amazonas/amazon_river.png)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Amazonas/amazon_river.jpg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Amazonas/amazon-river-world-largest-river.jpeg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Amazonas/Trees-on-Amazon-river-6736.jpg)
To be followed promptly...
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Based on the above photos I have started a pilot project on how to make the riverbanks of the CRotA gameboard. With a baseboard measuring 200 by 300 cms I reckon I will need a few. If I make the in lengths of 50 cm I will need 12 pieces.
The plan is to make them a proper impenetrable mess, thus framing the game board like an arena open at both ends. I have been sort of apprehensive about the whole things as trees and forests are not easy to make, IMO. But head first, here I go:
I've decided to keep the banks fairly narrow, partly to save myself some work and material but also because not much game play will be taking place on the banks. The pieces will therefore be 50 cm long and 10 cms wide at the ends. The ends will be uniformly so to make them fit each other. I am going to use 6mm MDF but since I did not have any at home this 'pilot piece' is plywood of the same thickness.
The riverside side has been cut to create curved shapes formed by the river current. The bank was sanded down to create a slope down towards the river.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Riverbank1.JPG)
I drilled holes into the board and plugged twigs of dried elder tree into them. These will be the trunks of taller jungle trees which will give the vertical lines of the jungle outline.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Riverbank2.JPG)
Using the vertical trunks I woven a plenitude of whatever sprawling twigs I've been able to secure around the neighborhood. Ideally this would be branches and roots of heather, blueberry, or juniper since they ing a certain flexibility even when dry. I have used this a lot before but while readily available all over the rest of Sweden they are in short supply here on Gotland. I've had to do with all sort of things I've come across on strolls. The twigs have been fastened in places with brown florist wire.
The hand in the picture is that of my Director of Quality Control; Fivers, Son of Hammers, who, using his lime green Soux-indian crash test dummy 'Stealthy Wind' ("Smygande Fisen") has assured that the construct holds to his rigorous play testing standards. Mr Fivers is a great supporter of this project, even more so than Bezzo. :)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Riverbank3.JPG)
I got this spray gun from Clas Ohlsson quite cheaply (about €20)...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/spraygun.JPG)
which I've put to use to achieve this:
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Riverbank4.JPG)
The paint is Alcro wall paint of a shade called 'Asfalt'. I realized to my delight that these pots can be mixed and bought in 'trial' quantities which really suit my needs and wallet. Half a liter cost about €5 and the range of shades if endless. The most matte they have is pearl matte which suit me find since we are going for a muddy rain forest. The whole piece is sprayed uniformly with 'Asfalt' which is sort of a dark green umber colour.
A second lighter pass with the spray gun of another, lighter ready mixed wall paint colour called 'Troll' (somewhere between olive and light mud brown). It is important to not cover all of the darker layer but keep it to the vegetation and the rivers edge. Finally, using my air brush, not the spray gun, I applied a light dusting of tan gray (Vallejo Air 'Hemp' and 'Barley' mix) to the trees and outer branches only. The pieces came out looking like this.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Riverbank5.JPG)
Finally I bound and hotglued various plastic plants to the piece. This bits have been collected during the last six months and I have a big carrying bag of mixed items.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Riverbank6.JPG)
Putting a few other gaming items in place it looks like this.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Riverbank7.JPG)
Acceptable result I think but I think I will try a few more things.
First I will put a back drop of contoured painted cardboard behind the river bank pieces. I think this will make the jungle look deeper, more impenetrable and darker. Also, I think it will make the board look more like a fenced off arena.
Second I will try to collect better twigs for under vegetation next time I go to the mainland. Making twelve pieces I need a good supply of the right stuff to minimize work. Looking at the inspirational photos I realize I want the undergrowth to look even denser.
Third I will experiment a bit with placement and composition of the plastic plants. I think there's room for improvement there.
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There is always room for improvement but this first shot is excellent work.
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That looks incredibly good and I have seen those riverbanks or something very like them in real life. I particularly like the fact that you've picked up that the colour of the vegetation isn't quite uniform. Depending on season and the trees in question you occasionally get flashes of colour that stand out against the wall of green.
This thread really is the gift that keeps on giving, it's really inspiring stuff Pedr. Please keep it going.
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Well, thank you. Let me return the curtsey by telling you all that your continued interest and appreciation is one of the things which keeps me going.
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I still have to wait till tonight to see the pics. Damn firewall, now it blocks your adventuring site, too.
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Really, really impressive.
Perhaps a mottled dark background would help give that feeling of density?
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Really, really impressive.
Perhaps a mottled dark background would help give that feeling of density?
That's what I am thinking. I could paint one by hand, colour copy it and then paste it on boards.
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Moss stringers hanging from the tree branches? Or vines hanging here and there?
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Moss stringers hanging from the tree branches? Or vines hanging here and there?
Moss stringers are not a very Amazonian thing, are they? That's more temperate and high altitude rainforests isn't it?
There are some vines already but I guess you can't have enough. I have yet to find a satisfying material for it. Green paper twine would probably work.
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Loving the river edges so far :-* :-* :-*
Can you not buy a background in pet shops that may save you some work.
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Amazing, Peder, truly eye candy.
I'm sure I have said it already but again, I love the way you're doing and sharing your projects.
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This is a truly wonderful thread that just gets better and better. :-*
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This looks nearly perfect for me! A beautiful piece of work. :-*
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Great stuff and that steamer - who would not want to participate in this game? :-*
Can you not buy a background in pet shops that may save you some work.
Exactly what I was thinking. Many have lush green vegetation that would provide an excellent backdrop i think
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:o What you call "an acceptable result", I would call "bloody marvelous".
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Another thought that came to mind is some of the Foilage sheet that Woodland Scenics has. You can stretch it out till its fairly see through but might just work to hang in patches against the back of the river edge pieces?
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Wonderful work! :-* I like the idea of a dark backdrop to render the scenery even more impenetrable.
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Wonderful stuff Hammers. It's a real pleasure to revisit all the pages of this thread from time to time, and see the progress you've made.
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Amazing stuff! :) Love the riverbanks!
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Monkeys!
I think you will find they are the missing element which will make the whole thing zing!!! :D
Seriously Peder. Superb. Maybe one day i will even get to play on it :)
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Really great, I think you have captured the look of the dense vegetation perfectly. :)
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Monkeys!
I think you will find they are the missing element which will make the whole thing zing!!! :D
Seriously Peder. Superb. Maybe one day i will even get to play on it :)
I hope so. It'd be great to see you on a SLAM or something similar.
With some luck I shall be playtesting the beast soon. I have had people badgering me about it for a while.
Unfortunately one of my aims, making the game portable, is not fulfilled. I can probably fit the jungle in one moving box, the boats in a largeish transport, the minis in a small ditto. The gaming matte, however... I staggered as I carry it to the car! If I only could find a similar vinyl or wax table cloth.
I've been looking for something which looks like howling or spider monkeys.
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Really great, I think you have captured the look of the dense vegetation perfectly. :)
I think it will work. It is going to be interesting to see what it looks like when all the riverbanks, reed beds and islands are in place.
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A keenly anticipated moment at Chez Carlos. Until then, perhaps a brief musical interlude about islands and streams?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKtLN9yV-30&feature=related
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Unfortunately one of my aims, making the game portable, is not fulfilled. I can probably fit the jungle in one moving box, the boats in a largeish transport, the minis in a small ditto. The gaming matte, however... I staggered as I carry it to the car! If I only could find a similar vinyl or wax table cloth.
I know that this is not what you're looking for, and that you might have already looked at these options. But for portability versus breaking your back at some Rauk, here's what I thought of :)
My first thought was the zuzzy mats. Although premoulded with stuff, I'm sure that you can cover up anything above the imagined water level with brush and other debris that usually floats in a river. And I know that you're dying to do some cow carcasses ;)
http://www.zuzzy.com/dr-tf-001_terra_flex_gaming_mat.html
Another option might be to buy a fabric that you dye with various shades and just accept that it does look like a cloth. However, you can really work around this buy adding loads of scenary and other mish mash pieces.
I know that this doesn't solve your own set standards. But, it does solve the whole transportation issue rather easily.
And I know that us fish loving and cancer ridden west coasterners aren't that picky when it comes to gaming ;)
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And I know that us fish loving and cancer ridden west coasterners aren't that picky when it comes to gaming ;)
Are you alright, Ag6x?
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Really great, I think you have captured the look of the dense vegetation perfectly. :)
Well, I think I have the method down. Material wise I think I got what I need of plastic plants. What's missing is all the twigs. A bit of a problem now that we have snow.
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Are you alright, Ag6x?
Oh yes, more than fine. The last part was a reference to a study that pointed out that people that live on the west coast had a greater tendency to die of cancer due to bad security and health concerns in the 70's. Nothing more :)
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Oh yes, more than fine. The last part was a reference to a study that pointed out that people that live on the west coast had a greater tendency to die of cancer due to bad security and health concerns in the 70's. Nothing more :)
Or is it some dark and unforseen consequence associated with Sweden's most popular pop group of the era? If so, I'm worried, they were more popular in Australia than Sweden.
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Oh yes, more than fine. The last part was a reference to a study that pointed out that people that live on the west coast had a greater tendency to die of cancer due to bad security and health concerns in the 70's. Nothing more :)
Oh, ok. Well, that's good.
While on the topic of west-coasterners, the study said nothing about onliner-gland deficiency? ;)
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Not that I'm aware of.
But, for the record:
Det är flott besök från England och en matros har råkat ramla i spat.
-Please help me.
Kal till Oskar: Du han talar engelska flytande.
And.
Vad skrek Darth Vader till Luke Skywalker när de sågs på avenyn?
- Ge Daj!
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Oh, you poor thing... I see that you've been afflicted quite badly. :'(
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Is this still active Mister Hammers, or has it gone on a back burner for a while?
Oh, there are still things going on, thanks for asking. Since most of the miniatures and terrain is sorted it's mainly rules and game play related. We are however moving house so you won't see much posted until that's sorted.
This is what I am working on:
* islands and reed beds
* a few sailors
* Paquadorian civilians
* flamingoes
* adventurers
* painting the barge
* events(Tarot deck)
* event templates (whirl pool, submerged logs)
* ship rules
* unit control panels for the ships (speed, accumulative damage...)
* unit cards for crews
* nautical maps for plotting round course
* objective marker (crashed Supermarine Walrus)
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C'mon, shift house quicker!! lol
Oh, there are still things going on, thanks for asking. Since most of the miniatures and terrain is sorted it's mainly rules and game play related. We are however moving house so you won't see much posted until that's sorted.
This is what I am working on:
* islands and reed beds
* a few sailors
* Paquadorian civilians
* flamingoes
* adventurers
* painting the barge
* events(Tarot deck)
* event templates (whirl pool, submerged logs)
* ship rules
* unit control panels for the ships (speed, accumulative damage...)
* unit cards for crews
* nautical maps for plotting round course
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This was such a brilliant project and lots of us followed it for weeks and months. But then the trail went cold and we were left high and dry. Now that is okay if you are following a series on US Television and the funding is pulled, and the series ends half way through an episode but surely on LAF we are better than that. So Mister Hammers...over to you.
Believe it or not, but it is pottering on but at a much more Latin American pace. As you may have noticed I do not have the same amonut of time to spend on the Hobby right now. Family, work, new house, ageing relatives are all making demands on the time I use to spend on this project.
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None of the images appear to be working anymore, and that is sad times indeed.
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They look all right on my screen.
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Piccys still work for me 8)
cheers
James
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Some civilian river people for the game. They have no real purpose in the game but it would be nice to have a huddle of huts and a trading post/mission on the rivers edge just to add some character.
Here the are, waiting on the dock to hitch a ride with the Cacafuego...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/PaquadorosEsperanElCacafuego.jpg)
Some individual shots...
Abuela with a basket of mangoes
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/AbuelaConMangos.jpg)
Sancho
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Petrarca.jpg)
Rodrigo
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Rodrigo.jpg)
Hueca El Mestiso
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/HuecaElMestiso.jpg)
Oooh... Bad bad paintjob on the above. I have to do something about that face.
JuanBanana
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/JuanBanana.jpg)
Nina
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Nina.jpg)
OldTonton
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/OldTonton.jpg)
Rosa
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Rosa.jpg)
Must do something about that gloss, to. That's what comes from not stirring the varnish vigorously enough.
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The Sybil shuffles deck and ask you to pull a card. You see The Emperor, number IV. 'The Emperor is the complement to the Empress. He is the Masculine Principle, the Animus and the Patriarch ' declares the sultry gypsy in her husky voice. 'He represents power and authority, and his stern attitude is quite a departure from the sensual beauty of the Empress. As an archetype, it is common to see masculine figures of authority or father figures with long white beards. It suggests that this man has acquired years of wisdom and experience and he is worthy of listening to because he has seen first-hand the consequences of his actions.'
What the Sybil foresaw is that the legendary sailor and adventurer Corto Maltese has attached himself to your crew. You don't know how or when but he is there. He will stay with you and once during the remaining of the game you can use his experience and daring to avoid one event generated by the fate or foe deck.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/IV_TheEmperor.jpg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Corto.jpg)
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Beautiful painting!
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Nice work Pedar.
Cheers,
Helen
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The 'Master of Details' reappears :)
Very nice, love the solidity of the dock.
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Love the use of the Foundry Peons dockside. :-*
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Grand to see this project re-emerge from hibernation!
Who makes the various dockside folks? I've been thinking I need more figures to represent "locals" in various pulp settings...
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Excellent! I love the harbourside! :-*
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To be honest it is scavenged from this old diorama...
(http://www.tsome.com/ScenesFromME/Laketown/closeup_lt.JPG)
...what got busted up when we moved house. It's a bit to solid for a jungle village so I will probably make something different and rickety later.
It is such as a shame about the glossy top coat on the minis. I need to do something about that. It is tricky though.
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Lovely work, Peder! Hopefully the ball will start rolling again :)
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Lovely work, Peder! Hopefully the ball will start rolling again :)
I agree! 8)
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The Sibyl makes a slight-of-hand trick and out of the deck pops a single card, face up. 'It is the One, the magician. I see a powerful man well versed in earthly matter but also insightful in intricate and complex details." The Sybil lifts her black-lined gaze and stares into your. "He may be of great help to you you but beware, if employed he is capable of deceit.'
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/1_TheMagician.jpg)
The upright Magician Tarot card is a good omen when you have a specific wish, when you begin a project involving creativity, or when you need to make a transformation of any kind. The card suggests that you will come up with creative ways to solve problems and you will be able to use your existing knowledge and networks to arrive at solutions.
Reversed, the Magician can indicate greed, deceit, manipulation and using one’s skill and ability for negative ends. It can reflect trickery and cunning, untrustworthiness and mental confusion.
So, the manifestation of the prophecy occurs when a small motored canoe approaches your vessel and a black fellow with a salt-and-pepper beard calls out to you. There is a strong air of diesel around him and and the canoe is laden with all sorts of tools and canisters.
This is Joaquin, the general handy man of the Upper Arumbaya, who services everything from bellow organs to steam engines along this stretch of the river. You have the option to employ his services on his boat.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/TheMagician.jpg)
Should you chose to take the Magician onboard, game master will take the card back, spin it face down on the table and then turn it around.
-Should the card be upright from your point of view, Joaquin will use his skill and immediately reduce your damage points on your ship by up to three points. He will then reduce any further damage made to your ship in following turns by one. This handyman is not armed but he will defend himself in close combat by wielding his fierce #50 spanner.
- Should the card be reversed, Joaquin reveals his antagonism towards you, spits on your deck and throws a spanner int the ships engine. He then dives overboard with a curse and disappears. Your ship will automatically take a two point hit and suffer the consequences.
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(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/anteater.jpg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/GiantAnteater.jpg)
This was fun to paint. The giant anteater of Latin America looks like it has been created by a Danish fashion designer and an Italian sports car manufacturer jointly.
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Your figures are fantastic :o but I also love the other details. I am intrigued as to how you modelled the fishing nets. I am trying to do something similar for my Pirates game but have not succeeded. Any tips? ???
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I think I made this back in the 90's so I can't quite recall. But i think it is first aid gauze bundle up with thin white glue. The floaters may be rice corns glued in place with super glue and lacquered. I suppose I applied a thin burnt umber wash on it all.
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Great thread. :o Somehow missed most of it and just now finished reading it all. Love all the colourful details and going to steal a few. Lovely work on all the builds and paint jobs. Good game ideas, sounds like it will be fun. Looking forward to see more.
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Great to see the continuation :-* :-*
Where is the picture on the last two taro cards from, it look really familiar ???
cheers
James
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Great pictures.
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I really like the anteater, very cool.
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Great to see the continuation :-* :-*
Where is the picture on the last two taro cards from, it look really familiar ???
cheers
James
Surely you have heard of Corto Maltese by Hugo Pratt...?
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Surely you have heard of Corto Maltese by Hugo Pratt...?
Well, yes but I don't think it's that :?
cheers
James
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Well, they may not be from a particular album. Pratt, who is a master of water colour has made many illustrations based on the world of CM which are sold in galleries.
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It's great to see new stuff for this project.
Amazing work.
The minis and terrain really draw you in.
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I reckon I've seen it somewhere and it's been pinched, copied whatever. Like a role playing supplement or somesuch :?
Anyway, never mind me, do carry on :D
cheers
James
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This project just gets better - love the ant eater - I take it you included ants on its base - lol
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I think I posted, in this thread, some British sailors in navy blue outfits. Thinking white would be more appropriate for a a tropical setting like the Arumbaya I ordered some more from Regiment Games and painted them so.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/NavyWhites.jpg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/SailorsI.jpg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/SailorsII.jpg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/SailorsIII.jpg)
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They look great, I agree that white has the 'tropics' look.
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This is a truly stunning thread.
Everything is superb.
Simply top drawer.
:-* :-* :-*
Only just caught on to it.
Now I have to go back and read it all from the beginning.....Wa-Hay!!
:D
Wonderful.
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I see the photo lighting is a bit harsh. The white has a more subtle shading than what came out in the photo.
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The whites look great; smooth and creamy. I like that you didn't do the shading in blue, which would have made them look too crisp.
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Capitan Villa-Brava of the Cacafuego
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/CapitanVillaRoja.jpg)
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As I have stated before there will be three 'teams' in the race along the jungle river. I have now completed the third team which will be a mixed bag of adventurers, anthropologists, botanist, archaeologists, sailors...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Adventurers1.jpg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Adventurers2.jpg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Adventurers3.jpg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Adventurers4.jpg)
I will eventually write some fluff for these...
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Great! :-*
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I am fed up with my fucking piece of shit camera. It is all auto settings and feels cheap and plastic to boot. What's the latest in affordable macro photography? Price range €300 tops?
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Thank you Mason, encouraging words which keeps one going.
I don't know if you noticed but I am modestly proud of this idea...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/thanatophidologist.jpg)
Finding the bull whip of this Copplestone Not-Famouses-Movie-Rouge-Archeologist rather unconvincing I came up with this, in Hammers world, world famous thanatophidologist, who has by some odd ways latched himself on to the Arumbaya expedition. His famous catch phrase is: "Snakes! I eat them for breakfast!"
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I am fed up with my fucking piece of shit camera. It is all auto settings and feels cheap and plastic to boot. What's the latest in affordable macro photography? Price range €300 tops?
I actually haven't been taking a lot of pictures of miniatures of late. But having taken pictures of goldsmithing work I have to say it appears that modern smartphones take better pictures of small objects then cameras. Makes sense as well, smartphones are used to take pictures of say text and the like and are build to suit that use, while cameras are generally used for larger shots.
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I actually haven't been taking a lot of pictures of miniatures of late. But having taken pictures of goldsmithing work I have to say it appears that modern smartphones take better pictures of small objects then cameras. Makes sense as well, smartphones are used to take pictures of say text and the like and are build to suit that use, while cameras are generally used for larger shots.
So I have heard but not tried. One immediate problem is that smartphones, as far as I know do not come with a tripod fitting, which is something I am used to and find handy.
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His famous catch phrase is: "Snakes! I eat them for breakfast!"
Now that is genius!
Great execution of a brilliant idea.
8) :-* 8)
The rest of the crew are damn fine, too, of course.
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Peder, that is a truly wonderful collection of many of Copplestone's best character figures.
Top work. What a great-looking bunch of desperadoes and daredevils :-*
The snake is ingenious and brilliantly executed. You're right to feel proud of that - hilarious and clever at the same time :)
Cameras: I use a Canon Powershot A720. Think it was about £150 GBP about 3 - 4 years back? It has macro, and also (most importantly) manual settings for focal length, depth of field etc etc. Most compact cameras do not have these capabilities. Overall, it's pretty good for producing reasonable quality miniatures photography.
Obviously, the likes of Kev Dallimore and other luminaries use pukka digital SLRs with expensive macro lenses - and the results are proportionately a lot better. I have seriously considered going down that route, because you really can see the difference a top-notch camera makes to the clarity and texture of miniatures photography.
There again, I think you're talking several hundred pounds for a good digital SLR camera, and at least a couple of hundred more for a super-duper lens... So maybe I'll just keep spending my money on beer instead ;)
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Peder, that is a truly wonderful collection of many of Copplestone's best character figures.
Top work. What a great-looking bunch of desperadoes and daredevils :-*
The snake is ingenious and brilliantly executed. You're right to feel proud of that - hilarious and clever at the same time :)
Cameras: I use a Canon Powershot A720. Think it was about £150 GBP about 3 - 4 years back? It has macro, and also (most importantly) manual settings for focal length, depth of field etc etc. Most compact cameras do not have these capabilities. Overall, it's pretty good for producing reasonable quality miniatures photography.
Obviously, the likes of Kev Dallimore and other luminaries use pukka digital SLRs with expensive macro lenses - and the results are proportionately a lot better. I have seriously considered going down that route, because you really can see the difference a top-notch camera makes to the clarity and texture of miniatures photography.
There again, I think you're talking several hundred pounds for a good digital SLR camera, and at least a couple of hundred more for a super-duper lens... So maybe I'll just keep spending my money on beer instead ;)
Thanks Richard, and for the advice.
I have a digital SLR, and aged old thing, Canon EOS D30, but you get vasts amount of resolution for a fraction of what I gave for it 7 years ago plus white balance settings has come much further since that model. I therefore am reluctant to invest more into that piece of hardware.
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Remember this?
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Barge_WIP_2.JPG)
Well, based on this set of images...
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=29611.msg392088#msg392088 (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=29611.msg392088#msg392088)
...like so...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/2002%20Old%20barges.JPG)
..I have painted my barge thusly...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/BargePainted.jpg)
...starting with a base coat of black, spray on layers of burnt umber, terracotta, brick red and tan in lighter coats successively. I topped it all of with watered down black stain and brush on rust powders in selected places. The growth of algae alomg the waterline is my own flock mixture, I may darken it with stain later.
The whole thing is to be tarted up with tyre fenders, chain, cable, adventurers luggage, loot and what have you. That'll be fun, coming up with stuff they nicked, causing the natives to wax wroth.
(http://www.lifed.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/raiders-of-the-lost-ark-1981.jpg)
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Does this mean that you've either found some more pics of a project that you've forgotten about in all the real life hassles, or, does it mean that you're picking up the ball on this once again? :)
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I am liking this idea for tarting up the barge.
It seems like a good way of really going to town and having some fun with the whole idea.
8)
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Does this mean that you've either found some more pics of a project that you've forgotten about in all the real life hassles, or, does it mean that you're picking up the ball on this once again? :)
The latter.
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Can I be the first to say 'woo hoo'! :D Welcome back! Now to take my seat in front row for idea stealing! Love the barge!
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Those of you who have followed this thread already know that I have nicked many things from various pop-culture sources, most notably
Tintin...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/TintinOreilleCassee.jpg)
...Indiana Jones...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/escaping-the-natives.jpg)
...and Corto Maltese...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/CortoJivaros.jpg)
I have with particular crude insensitivity typical of Westerner with a boyish enthusiasm for the exotic heathens I have based my natives on fictional Arumbayas (Tintin)...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Arumbayas2.gif)
...hovitos ( Indiana: Too bad the Hovitos don't know you the way I do, Belloq. Belloq: Yes, too bad. You could warn them... if only you spoke Hovitos!
)...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Hovitos.png)
....and a mixture of jivaros, botocudos, tupi, jibito, chachapoyan (just like Hergé and Spielberg/Lucas did).
Yesterday I was triggered to contemplate what to fill the adventurers barge with. Apart from tools, weapons and camp gear, loot is the obvious answers. The internet is truly a wonderful thing but, my God, it can surely set ones mind in high gear when it comes to inspiration.
The South American templed loote by IJ in the RotLA is inspired by Chachapoyan (wonderful name) findings in the higher Amazonas region of Peru. Chugging along with that train of thought I came across these wonderful images...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/chachapoya1.jpg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/chach.gif.jpg)
..wonderful sarchophagi, some adorned with human sculls...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/images.jpg)
...mummies wrapped in fetal position...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/216px-Abisco_or_Pajaten.jpg)
...wonderfully iconic painted tapestry...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/22560265.Chachapoyas24.jpg)
...and fetishes, of which I already own one rather wellknow miniature impression...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/ArumbayaFetish.JPG)
Speaking of The Broken Ear, there are other Tintin sources to go to for archeological finds. Who could forget this famous bowler...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/rascar.jpg)
...which is based on Inka mummies like this...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/inca-mummy.png)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Rascar Capac.jpg)
Also, see the little statue from Brigade Games, the one to the far right. With a lick of gold paint I could put that to good use...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/BG-CEA001_lg.jpg)
Can't wait to get home, I am going to sculpt me a mummy...
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Fantastic collection of images, love them.
The whip to snake conversion is a fantastic idea on many levels, great work on it. :-*
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Lovely stuff. I pretty much finished my floating house and if I was confident that a balsa wood structure would survive the passage to Sweden I'd happily mail it to you.
I'll be in Colombia for a month in a few weeks, I shall keep my eye open for any suitable fetishes for your project.
Terrific work and great images.
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It is a shame that you cannot make BLAM this year, as the 'educational' trip would have been perfect for this kind of thing.
By that I mean for inspirational purposes, not that I was suggesting you take any exhibits home with you.
;)
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Cracking progress and inspiration Peder :-*
Good to see it under full motion again 8)
cheers
James
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Lovely stuff. I pretty much finished my floating house and if I was confident that a balsa wood structure would survive the passage to Sweden I'd happily mail it to you.
I'll be in Colombia for a month in a few weeks, I shall keep my eye open for any suitable fetishes for your project.
Terrific work and great images.
A very handsome offer, of which the first I could not in good conscience accept. :)
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Yesterday I had some fun making four loose bottoms for the barge's cargo hold. The first will be a work table with various artefacts are being studied; pottery, golden idols and the like. Great fun to make. The second will probably hold a selection of cages, jars and crates with captured animals. I get a kick out of just thinking about it. The third will be a general wepons, tools and cargo piece. Spade, crow, bars of dynamite, Lewis gun, travelling wardrobe with essentials like dinner jackets... The fourth will be a sort of living quarters area, cot, spirit stove, food store.
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It is a shame that you cannot make BLAM this year, as the 'educational' trip would have been perfect for this kind of thing.
By that I mean for inspirational purposes, not that I was suggesting you take any exhibits home with you.
;)
It is fucking deplorable, that's what it is. :(
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It is fucking deplorable, that's what it is. :(
We shall have to make a point of all trying to find something for you for this part of your project and send the stuff out to you.
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We shall have to make a point of all trying to find something for you for this part of your project and send the stuff out to you.
Most kind and I won't decline your offer. Museum gift shops can be treasure troves. :)
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Hmmm. That sounds like a group challenge we will have to take on Pedro ;)
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Actually, you might find that a gift shop isn't the only likely location for suitable items.
Here's El infiernito in Colombia a significant site of worship for the Muisca people. I suspect that with some added weathering you could find the necessary items somewhere behind the plastic wrapped magazines and steamy videotapes in Goteborg or Grimsby. ;)
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And no, I draw the line at picking up a miniature one of those for you at a gift shop in Bogota and lugging it around in my suitcase for a month. I can do without unwelcome attention, mirthful or otherwise, from customs officials. :)
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I thought I was well supplied with exotic animals in my lead pile but not so much when it comes to so much when it comes to South American mammals to put in cages. I have birds (as I have shown elsewhere in this thread), bats and some which will pass as ocelots. But is anyone aware of a company which makes suitable jaguar...
...sloth...
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/579251e26d141e2e66d1a8a7bf696d58/tumblr_mlq2a7qcZ71sohny1o1_500.jpg)
... red-, black- or brown howler...
(http://www.belowtheclouds.com/uploads/2008/10/howling03.jpg)
...spider-and/or woolly monkeys, saki or uakari (monkeys are inherently funny so they really don't need any embellished pics but, crikey!, uakaris seem to have been given what was left by Our Lord by the end of the fifth day!)
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQBapSolYmZblB8VuYqyV_BmdN6aIl54gcb8j1JMyA3-o5cDhYRHg)
EDIT: A capybara, that would be nice to have.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b6/Wet-capyvara-in-Brazil.jpg/220px-Wet-capyvara-in-Brazil.jpg)
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Not sure if there's a page of who picked up what in the Mega Miniatures sell off.
Quick search has revealed Reaper Miniatures have a sloth:
http://www.reapermini.com/Miniatures/sloth/latest/03624
http://hoardobits.com/cgi/hob/shop.pl?cat1=Bits%20by%20Type&cat2=Creatures&cat3=&cat4=&page=&view=08212013-2-114
(http://www.reapermini.com/graphics/gallery/4/03624_p_1.jpg)
And Eureka Miniatures has chimpanzees which could pass for spider monkeys:
http://eurekamin.com.au/product_info.php?cPath=87_126_131&products_id=1660
(http://eurekamin.com.au/images/100ANM01.jpg)
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http://www.reapermini.com/Miniatures/sloth/latest/03624
http://hoardobits.com/cgi/hob/shop.pl?cat1=Bits%20by%20Type&cat2=Creatures&cat3=&cat4=&page=&view=08212013-2-114
(http://www.reapermini.com/graphics/gallery/4/03624_p_1.jpg)
That sloth is a must have! Thanks!
You are right about the chimps, they may actually work.
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You need a coati as well.
Just remember that with sloths you can add a green tinge to their fur. Moss has been known to grow on them so sedentary are they (this is quite true btw).
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I'm sure Mega Minis had a capybara. I was going to buy one but never got round to it.
Seems that Wreck Age might make some soon(ish):
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hyacinthgames/a-tabletop-rpg-and-board-games-project-from-chicag/posts
Boars and dogs available:
http://www.wreck-age.net/index.php/component/rokecwid/?Itemid=#!/~/category/id=6202039&offset=0&sort=addedTimeDesc
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You need a coati as well.
Just remember that with sloths you can add a green tinge to their fur. Moss has been known to grow on them so sedentary are they (this is quite true btw).
Yes, I have the same problem. The wife claims I turn so docile during the dark winter months it takes a steel brush to get the lichen of my back, come spring. Not that I notice.
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Remember the chachapoyan mummy? Here is my attempt at one. A Eureka skelly repose with strips of tissue paper wrapped around it. It's a WIP, obviously.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/mummywip.jpg)
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Rather effective, I say! The bandages come across a bit large, but what width are they, 2-3mm, tops? It's probably not feasible to try smaller ones. Also, once painted, I think it could look pleasantly fragile, so it's possibly best just to pull through as an experiment, at least.
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No, any thinner and you'd have to sculpt it. I am not too worried about that bit; painted in a crate, packed in straw but with the lid off I think it will come out just OK.
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No, any thinner and you'd have to sculpt it. I am not too worried about that bit; painted in a crate, packed in straw but with the lid off I think it will come out just OK.
Yes, I thought so. It probably looks much more "bulky" in the pics than in real life. What is it, maybe 20mm tall in that pose?
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hank you Maso, encouraging words which keeps one going.
I don't know if you noticed but I am modestly proud of this idea...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/thanatophidologist.jpg)
Finding the bull whip of this Copplestone Not-Famouses-Movie-Rouge-Archeologis rather unconvincing I came up with this, in Hammers world, world famous thanatophidologist, who has by some odd ways latched himself on to the Arumbaya expedition. His famous catch phrase is: "Snakes! I eat them for breakfast!"
A snake... did it have to be a snake?! lol
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Yes, I thought so. It probably looks much more "bulky" in the pics than in real life. What is it, maybe 20mm tall in that pose?
Exactly 20mm. The crate is 23mm.
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A snake... did it have to be a snake?! lol
It is painted to look like a (look away now, Malamute!) fer-de-lance...
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_L9VEmnNLuNM/TH6N1fecGRI/AAAAAAAABd0/N9t1FXniyA4/s1600/fer-de-lance-snake.jpg)
Right wicked looking fucker, don't you agree?
If you've got a strong stomach you can look at the effects (necrosis) of a bite from that little shit right here (http://i3.squidoocdn.com/resize/squidoo_images/800/draft_lens2699942module17101862photo_1235263128fer_de_lance_snake_bite.jpg)...
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Right wicked looking fucker, don't you agree?
If you've got a strong stomach you can look at the effects (necrosis) of a bite from that little shit right here (http://i3.squidoocdn.com/resize/squidoo_images/800/draft_lens2699942module17101862photo_1235263128fer_de_lance_snake_bite.jpg)...
Really wicked. And that leg definitely has to go.
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It is painted to look like a (look away now, Malamute!) fer-de-lance...
Right wicked looking fucker, don't you agree?
Too late I looked :'(
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(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Rascar%20Capac.jpg)
Have you seen Outpost's rather good Inca mummy:
(http://www.outpostwargameservices.co.uk/images/Web%20Photos/inca/inc9.jpg)
(http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq291/oxianaboy/PB170608.jpg)
Very cheap From http://www.outpostwargameservices.co.uk/index.htm
:)
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Ooooh!
Thank YOU!
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I did in a post a few days ago say I'd like to do some cargo bases for the adventurers barge. Well, I have gone to town with that idea and painted some animals for the zoologist among the. They will eventually be put in crates and cages so I thought I'd better show them to their somewhat better advantage before I do that.
The findings of the department of herpetology:
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/herpetology_I.jpg)
Left to right, non-descript turtle; Yellow Foot Tortoise Chelonoidis denticulata; Amazon Cascabel (South American Rattlesnake) Crotalus durissus *)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Herpetology_II.jpg)
Green Iguana Iguana iguana; Jararaca Bothrops jararaca
Here are some reference photos I used while painting:
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/yellowfoottortoise.jpg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/cascabel.jpg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/GreenIguana.jpg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/jararaca_long.jpg)
*) This miniature comes with a Mega Miniatures snake set and is really not worth the effort. It litterally looks like a pile of shit unpainted and you are much better off trying to sculpt one yourself. I had it in the pile, though, and thriftily thought I'd use it
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As above, department of ornithology (some old stuff in there but I repost them to give a sense of completeness):
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/ornitology_1.jpg)
Ñacurutú (South American Great Horned Owl) Bubo virginianus nacurutu; Toco Toucan Ramphastos toco; Military Macaw Ara militaris; Hyacinth Macaw Anodorhynchus hyacinthinus
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/ornitology_II.jpg)
Scarlet Macaw Ara macao, Blue-and-Gold Macaw Ara ararauna; Lined Forest Falcon micrastur gilvicollis; Great Kiskadee pitangus sulphuratus, Spix's Macaw cyanopsitta spixii
Some references I used painting:
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/species-Bubo-virginianus-1.jpg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/lined_forest_falcon)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/great-kiskadee.jpg)
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And now to the mamals of the Department of Theriology
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/theriology.jpg)
Left to right:
Amazon black howler alouatta nigerrima (young); Ninebanded Armadillo dasypus novemcinctus; Coati nasua nasua; Common Vampire Bat desmodus rotundus; Ocelot leopardus pardalis pardalis (portly specimen)*)
Reference photos:
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/BlackAmazonianHowler.jpg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/armadillo.jpg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/coati.jpg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Commonvampirebat.jpg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/ocelot.jpg)
*) The photography did not do this ocelot justice, if I may say so myself. The more intricate pattern is on it's back and it is not nearly as yellow and much more subtly shaded to the naked eye.
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And finally some domesticated beasts which I painted while I already was at it:
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/domesticated.jpg)
Again, the monkey is not nearly as orange as the camera made it here. I will have to shoot a new photo eventually. The monkey is inspired by this Amazonian animal, the Bald Uakari:
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/bald-uakari.jpg)
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Actually, I think I work with the little orange fellow in the fez.
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Great collection of animals :-* :-* :-*
Loving the big cat lol lol lol
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lol
Genius Peder. Matakishi's cat has made it to the jungle! lol
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Fantastic set of specimens, Sir!
:-*
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Lovely work on the cat! lol And excellent work of the coati!
Of course you are still missing, that most noble of creatures, the urubu.
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Or as we, the select few millions who have it as our mascot, prefer to see it.
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Thanks all.
That condor is a bit big, I think I have already overdone things a bit, the barge's hold probably wont be big enough for all these critters.
It's been a lot of fun to paint them but not all that easy, patterns on drab colour snakes, for example, quite difficult to mimic, the best one can hope for in many cases is a caricature or approximation.
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Very nice painting on them animals - I also laughed at the cat. Carlos - I'm just happy for you those aren't black and white stripes ;)
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Cracking update Peder :-* :-*
It must be difficult to paint them in such quality as they are much smaller than normal 28s 8)
How are you going to do the cages ???
cheers
James
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Great stuff Hammers and Matakishi never looked better.
LB
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lol
Love the animals - so much details - how on earth will you fit them all in Noah?
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Bloody brilliant, sir.
Stunning paintwork.
:-* :-*
But I have to agree with the others:
Loving the big cat lol lol lol
THAT is pure genius!
8) lol 8)
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Bloody brilliant, sir.
Stunning paintwork.
:-* :-*
But I have to agree with the others:
THAT is pure genius!
8) lol 8)
[false_modesty]You are careless with that word, sir! I am but mere tinkerer.[/false_modesty] ;-)
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Cracking update Peder :-* :-*
It must be difficult to paint them in such quality as they are much smaller than normal 28s 8)
How are you going to do the cages ???
cheers
James
Well, for the aviary I have started to cut out frames from 1,5mm plasticard; small enough to fit the hold but large enough to fit all the parrots. I will superglue a nylon mesh on the inside. I bought this product marketed as 'camouflage netting' which it is rather unsuitable for, since it is to even and rigid to look good. It is perfect to simulate a steel mesh as it is thinner than what you could hope for in a aluminium mesh. So there is some hope one will be able to discern the critters inside the cages.
For some birds I think I will try to solder a classic bird cage like such:
(http://deanhawk.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/birdcage-photo.png)
By the way, all crates and cages will have loose bottoms so I can pluck the beasts out, should I need to.
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Good luck with the soldering :)
Looking forward to seeing the results 8)
cheers
James
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Awesome stuff, ;D but please stop posting reference photos of certain reptiles ;) :'(
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Here are som pics of the aviary which will go onto the zoologist store section of the barge.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/aviaryWIP.jpg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/aviary.jpg)
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Brilliant!
:-*
Sheer feckin genius!
8)
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I love it all.
This is definitely one of the best threads in the history of LAF.
Great terrain, figures and ideas.
:-*
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Some more progress shots.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/MoreCratesAndcages.jpg)
The matakishi kitten really looks good behind bars, it's like it's saying: "Well, this sucks..."
To the right you can see a failed attempt at making birdcage. The method is sound but I made the bars too short.
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Loving the snake crate. At first I thought the failed cage was some freaky sci-fi spider!
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(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Rascar%20Capac.jpg)
Have you seen Outpost's rather good Inca mummy:
(http://www.outpostwargameservices.co.uk/images/Web%20Photos/inca/inc9.jpg)
(http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq291/oxianaboy/PB170608.jpg)
Very cheap From http://www.outpostwargameservices.co.uk/index.htm
:)
If anyone is making an order to the Outpost Wargaming Service, would you mind terribly much ordering that mummy for me to and send it to me? They have a minimum £5 order limit and they have absolutely dick else to offer me other than the mummy and I'll be damned before I spend 5 quid + P&P for just that.
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Pedr,
I found an urubu. Poking around some oddments at Eureka miniatures this morning and came across one. It has a little hole under neath to place a flight stand. Very nice piece that might compliment your project.
Apols for the photo.
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Absolutely brilliant Peder. I love the cage full of exotic parrots :)
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Pedr,
I found an urubu. Poking around some oddments at Eureka miniatures this morning and came across one. It has a little hole under neath to place a flight stand. Very nice piece that might compliment your project.
Apols for the photo.
Thanks carlos, but I can't get the link to work.
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Sorry, try again
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all so excellent....
the GW giant has a lot of stuff to hang on him, inbetween a large cage that might simplify Your life if You get some from bits brokers.
(http://www.bitzbox.co.uk/images/warhammer_giant_cage_large.jpg)
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Sorry, try again
Lovely, although a perching specimen had been just the thing. I may still order it. Eureka carries the most wonderful and idiosyncratic things in their catalogue.
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all so excellent....
the GW giant has a lot of stuff to hang on him, inbetween a large cage that might simplify Your life if You get some from bits brokers.
(http://www.bitzbox.co.uk/images/warhammer_giant_cage_large.jpg)
You know, that's not a crap idea, former user... The supply on bits brokers tends to be erratic so it may not be all that simple to get hold of, unfortunately. On a side note, that plastic Giant set holds a vast supply of useful items. I have several other bits from that kit. The new lizardmen releases seems to include a lot of little plastic jungle embelishment which would be perfect for this project: snakes frogs lizards...
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The new lizardmen releases seems to include a lot of little plastic jungle embelishment which would be perfect for this project: snakes frogs lizards...
?? I missed out on that one....
I have a handfull of plastic snakes from one of the boxes....
also a lot of old plastic tarantulas, think it was advanced heroquest....
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Glad that you guys mentioned this type of thing.
The little BLAM surprise package for Mr H has just become a little easier to fill.
:D
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Hello again! Some progress!
Based on a discussion in another thread I ordered some sample of synthetic lawn grass to use as reeds on the river terrain. The one below is called Silk Grass 65...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/SilkGrassReeds.JPG)
...and i think it looks quite good. The shag is two coloured 65mm tall and it is supposed, for its original purpose, to be dressed with sand. That way, among other things, the grass will stand up. 'Tis true, it lays a bit flat without it and I want tall reed, tall enough to hide a miniature, so I will see what I can do to stand up better. This is what it looks like beside the Cacafuego...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/SilkGrassReeds2.JPG)
Not shabby, I think. I ordered samples (they were free) of other types of lawn to...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/SilkGrassReeds3.JPG)
The above one is called Wild Grass. It is multi coloured and multi directional. Not bad but more unkempt than I want my reed islands to be. Maybe you have noticed that stands of reeds look quite well combed from a distance.
The price for these products is roughly €50 per square meter. I will need 1 to 2 sqm.
Remember this? We'll, two years on I finally pulled my finger and purchased 3 sqm 60mm stuff. Twasnt cheap, no Sir!, but I feel it essential for the game and I have not found a better substitute for it. On the plus side I was allowed to sift through the retailers heap of scraps, which means I went home with a size able stock of various lengths and textures. Useful, that, if you wants to the beds of reed a more varied and organic look. Pictures will follow eventually.
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Sounds good but the questions is are you going to matt varnish them (spray obviously)?
cheers
James
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Sounds good but the questions is are you going to matt varnish them (spray obviously)?
cheers
James
Nope, I don't feel there's a need to. We'll see when I have made a first go. What I am going to do is to adorn the beds with twigs, trees and and rocks to break them up a bit, I will also mix pieces of various straw lenghts.
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That'll help, breaking it up. I'm just a bit worried they will still look like astroturf with the plastic shine still on :?
cheers
James
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Just imagine it is all wet.
A lot of humidity in this part of the world.... ;)
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The test I have done with the material sample I got two years ago looks quite alright, IMO. This is not Astroturftm, you should know but a product look *quite* like grass. 's two tone coloured and in a tapered v-section shape. You can tell it is plastic, I'll grant you that, but it'll work better, for this purpose, than any natural or teddy bear fur I have come across so far. And I've been looking, believe you me.
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Sorry mate, astroturf was just a generic catch all statement for the product you've used (which looks rather good, apart form the shine) :)
cheers
James
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I recently recieved a set of these GW Lizardmen bits:
(http://www.bitsimages.info/images/whbits/88-08G.jpg)
Am I ever going to have fun with these...
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Those are really cool! ;D
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Am I ever going to have fun with these...
Remember, we want to see all the species of South American snake painted properly ;D
cheers
James
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Remember, we want to see all the species of South American snake painted properly ;D
cheers
James
No we don't :'(
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No we don't :'(
I will paint them and put them in your bed.
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I will paint them and put them in your bed.
lol
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No we don't :'(
lol
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(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/ArumbayaCameraMan.jpg)
Cameraman
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/ArubayaDirectorMaxVonWitchheimer.jpg)
Director Max von Witchheimer
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/ArumbayaClapperBob.jpg)
Clapper Bob
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/ArumbayaMovieStarShirleyHarlotte.jpg)
Star Shirley Harlotte
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/ArumbayaScriptgirlMadge.jpg)
Scriptgirl Madge
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Lovely stuff :-* :-* :-* :-*
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Wonderful.
:-* :-*
You should pop that picture from the LPL in here for completeness sake.
It is certainly one of the images from this year that will stay in my mind for a very long time.
8)
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Some time back I went bananas coming up with different things to load my explorer river barge with. I have based themed nick-nacks on separate bases, reflecting various professions represented among the adventurers in the expedition. Here's the result...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/CompartmentReptile.jpg)
Reptile compartment
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/CompartmentArcheology.jpg)
Archeology compartment
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/CompartmentBirds.jpg)
Aviary compartment
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/CompartmentLiving.jpg)
Living compartment, a WIP, obviously.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/CompartmentsInBarge.jpg)
All compartments loaded onto the barge. A labor of love, really. I could do a hundred of these...
I tried to go for a bit of a chaotic appearance, cages and crates all ahoy and animals and beasts screeching and running about.
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Oh man those are cool. I couldn't get a real sense of the details on some of those from the LPL entry.
The snake container is clever and really well done. Love the fetish, looks like the one in The Broken Ear?
Very nice, thanks for posting!
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I really hate that film crew and those cages filled with wildlife. Utter rubbish.
You should pop that picture from the LPL in here for completeness sake.
It is certainly one of the images from this year that will stay in my mind for a very long time.
Mine too >:(
;)
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I really hate that film crew and those cages filled with wildlife. Utter rubbish.
Mine too >:(
;)
Boy, you must be regretting you purchased that film crew for me last year's Salute.
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lol
Poetic justice.
I am the unwitting instrument of my own downfall... Ah well, at least it wasn't the flappers. That would have been truly embarrassing for my navy lads ;)
Beautiful work Peder.
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Absolutely brilliant, all the details.
:-* :-*
Poetic justice.
lol lol
The backstory behind this cracked me up.
(Sorry Richard... ::))
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The film crew is great, but I really love the "compartments" - the archaeological and aviary ones especially
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Lovely detail, the barge isn't bad either :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
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Wonderful, beautiful, extraordinaire stuff - I love it! :-* :-*
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Lovely detail, the barge isn't bad either
Actually, it is QUITE good...
Please speak to us more about it, construction, close ups, whatever.
Just MORE...
Thank you!!
Valerik
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Just read this thread from start to finish! Brilliant stuff! :oThe details which make the whole project up are just wonderful and take our hobby / obsession to a new level! Very well done, sir!
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Actually, it is QUITE good...
Please speak to us more about it, construction, close ups, whatever.
Just MORE...
Thank you!!
Valerik
If I remember correctly there are a few posts on the topic if you go back in the thread.
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Nice work Pedar on the wildlife...my favs to date.
Cheers,
Helen
PS: Enjoying the second series of the Bridge.
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What she said :)
When do I see Wallis? Or is she to far gone lol
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If I remember correctly there are a few posts on the topic if you go back in the thread.
You do, & I didn't...
I think I recall, somewhat uncertainly, my memory being a wondrous thing, perhaps, not sure, not anymore...
I've re-reviewed the thread, found the barge WIP beginning on page 21, & remain awestruck.
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=29611.300 (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=29611.300)
The grumbling, head-shaking, tut-tutting and tisk-tisking proceed apace...
She's quite the business & looks her part.
Thank you
Valerik
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What she said :)
When do I see Wallis? Or is she to far gone lol
She is for aborter project. By the way: did I thank you properly for her?
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Wow - a bit late to the party but, wow! :-*
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Simply marvellous. :-*
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Absolutely wonderful! Richard
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I guess this one is as good as any of my old seafarers threads to announce that I have fallen off the wagon and bought myself this beauty...
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/21/134_12_03_15_5_53_20_1.jpg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/21/134_12_03_15_5_53_20_0.jpg)
It is and old Billing Boats model from the 60ies, now OOP, of the coastal freighter 'Mercantic'. I found it half built like this in an antiques shop here in Visby. It is all from mahogany strips and plywood and an absolute stunner. The scale seems to be close to perfect and something I have been looking for but given up hope that I would find as a model. I assume I will have to do some modifications to the cabins but that's all good and it will not be difficult.
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Nice find and good luck finishing it. Will you try a waterline conversion?
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Yes, Benbow, and it won't be a problem.
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Good find :)
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Fortunate find indeed!!
I look forward to your treatment of her!
Valerik
"There's death a dozen times over, down the river..."
Mr Charles Allnutt, Esq.
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:)
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I see your Pulptastic trip wasn't wasted, got you your mojo back :)
cheers
James
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Oh yes, you have fallen hard lol lol I'm really looking forward to your work on this one!
LB
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It's always exciting to see your work! Richard
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Oh, I am not deploring anything, chaps. I'm I just waiting for inspiration to hit me.
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Somehow I've managed to miss this thread completely... forty pages later, its epic! I'd take my hat off to you Sir if I was wearing one. :)
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ooh she is lovely hammers, I hope she is a fun build for you.*
Cheers
Matt
*I had missed this thread, and just pulled up a seat to watch - especially since it isn't dead yet.
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You know, only just now did I realize you included a mummy of Rascar Capac in the archaeological artifacts, you cheeky bugger
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You know, only just now did I realize you included a mummy of Rascar Capac in the archaeological artifacts, you cheeky bugger
Glad you noticed, Fram.
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Just for the green hell of it...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/SlothI.jpg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/SlothII.jpg)
[Reaper]
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Brilliant! :)
Yet slothful.
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Lovely Peder, as always. :)
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this is a nice peace for a table.
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Lovely, a very nice scenic piece. :)
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What a lovely example of brushmanship and set dressing.
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Ladies and gentlement, the Pythean International Society reveals their most recent discovery: the Arumbayan Giant Leech!
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/ArumbayanGiantLeech.jpg)
This curiously gigantoform of Praobdellidae was discovered just recently after attacking the motor launch of British destroyer 'HMS Reckless', sent to probe the river for a crashed amphibious biplane (Supermarine Walrus) carrying important dispatches...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/TyrannobellaImperialisArumbaya.jpg)
The biologist attached to the Society's expedition, Herr Doktor Hannibal von Rumtopf, has named the slithering, bloodsucking thing Tyrannobdella Imperialis Pythia and is awaiting the society's council's approval for the same.
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What a freakishly scary looking beast.
You certainly know how to catch the 'horror' that nature sometimes provides.
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your ideas scare me :o
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One of my favourite threads!! :)
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Great idea and great execution! You always amaze us!
Ladies and gentlement, the Pythean International Society reveals their most recent discovery: the Arumbayan Giant Leech!
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/ArumbayanGiantLeech.jpg)
This curiously gigantoform of Praobdellidae was discovered just recently after attacking the motor launch of British destroyer 'HMS Reckless', sent to probe the river for a crashed amphibious biplane (Supermarine Wallruss) carrying important dispatches...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/TyrannobellaImperialisArumbaya.jpg)
The biologist attached to the Society's expedition, Herr Doktor Hannibal von Rumtopf, has named the slithering, bloodsucking thing Tyrannobdella Imperialis Pythia and is awaiting the society's council's approval for the same.
Herr Dr H. v. Rumtopf, after hearing to some local stories that similar blood sucking creatures appear in other parts of the river (not belonging to Arumbaya) has made an alteration in the taxonomy of the new species and proposed a NEW name:
Tyranobdella Imperialis Pythia rumtopfsia arumbayensis and awaits the approval of the name that will bring him some international recognition.
BTW, what is the model used?
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Lovely Peder. Kindly reminds me of the leeches we have here at Two Ducks Pond.
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Concerning the name. The Scientific name for leeches is Haemadipsa (i.e. blood thirsty) so an alternative name could also be:
Tyranohaemadipsa Imperialis Pythia rumtopfsia arumbayensis (v. Rumtopf 19xx)
Now where is the fluorescent electrical eel electrophorus electricus fluoroluminescensis ?
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Concerning the name. The Scientific name for leeches is Haemadipsa (i.e. blood thirsty) so an alternative name could also be:
Tyranohaemadipsa Imperialis Pythia rumtopfsia arumbayensis (v. Rumtopf 19xx)
Now where is the fluorescent electrical eel electrophorus electricus fluoroluminescensis ?
The last meeting of the Society records an outright Polish parliament over this. A truce was finally reach awaiting new specima. Volunteers for a new expedition has been curiously slow to present themselves.
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Lovely Peder. Kindly reminds me of the leeches we have here at Two Ducks Pond.
Ewww...
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BTW, what is the model used?
RAFM Cthulhu range.
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Lovely (in a disgusting sort of way) mini and a gripping scene that meets the Hammer's standard that we have come to expect!
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Brilliant! The launch is a really nice bit of kit too.
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Lovely (in a disgusting sort of way) mini and a gripping scene that meets the Hammer's standard that we have come to expect!
I disagree.....the leech is cracking, that paint scheme and gloss varnish REALLY work well, BUT that is NOT a normal Hammers scene.......where's the guy and the dog? ;)
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I stand corrected lol lol Where *is* the fellow with dog?
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I say, we will need a larger cigar to burn that one off................. lol
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If anyone has missed the purpose of this build...
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/27/134_12_03_17_1_36_36_1.jpg)
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Just beautiful, have been searching for flamingos, please where did you source these.
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I love these and shall have a crack at using the same method to make something similar at some point in the future.
8) 8)
Just beautiful, have been searching for flamingos, please where did you source these.
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=98141.0
;)
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Thanks for that somehow missed it in all the other wondrous things.
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Your work is always unique and very special!
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Your work is always unique and very special!
Like in "you are retarded"? ;)
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Like in "you are retarded"? ;)
I'm sure, we could all use a bit of retardedness, then! lol
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Crazy maybe; retarded never.
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Crazy maybe; retarded never.
Love to you, brother. :)
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The plans might be in here https://aerofred.com/search.php?search_keywords=*vickers%20victoria%201922%20england*
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Wow! Those flamingos are great!
I'm late to the thread (per usual), but if still looking for flamingos you might try these, from Safari: http://baremetalgaming.blogspot.ca/search/label/Flamingos
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Hammers, do you still work on this fantastic project?
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Hammers, do you still work on this fantastic project?
In a manner of speaking. It is always perculatig at the back of my mind . And to scratch that itch I add a few small items to it now and then.
I followed this thread for years (seriously it was years) - and it was among my all time favourites - and it seemed to fizzle out somehow. We never saw any conclusion (if there was one) and no big picture of the elements in location. Hammers this is ENTIRELY your choice but I am sure I am not alone in wondering....anything next?
Glad to brought you a small measure of joy. The problem with this project are several. The scope, the look and storage, to mention a few. Foremost I think it is a question of time: I have many interests and I am driven by inspiration. Even in the somewhat limited area of my life which is The Hobby, I let myself, well, since it is A Hobby, be driven by what inspires me, rather than duty.
And since you boys asked:
As for the concrete, practical issues with the project: I have still to find a useful gaming mat to use as the river. The one I bought looks good but weighs a ton and is quite awkward to handle. I have just recently come to a solution for the river beds and jungle look but have still not had he time to realize it. That aside I have my mind set on crafting gaming panels for the four (or so) vessels and that will also take some time to realize.
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Lately I have been letting my gaze sweep over shelves in my shed, despairing over the many half finished project cluttering every nook and cranny. So I have decided to do something about it, and one by one I hope to take each project, big or small, to completion or scrap it all together.
Some of you may remember this old godforsaken old post in this godforsaken old thread (https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=29611.msg801734#msg801734) in which I posted my work on a number of removable compartments (archeology, aviary etc) in this rusty old barge, from which the intrepid adventurers of the International Pytheas Society launches their investigations of the Arumbaya river.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/CompartmentsInBarge.jpg)
There was however one compartment which had a very clear idea on what to do with but somehow it petered out, can't even remember why. I've taken some hours last week to finish the living compartment, which had gotten no further than this...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Barge/Bed.jpg)
and a half finished mahogany travel cabinet out of plasticard, which after painting and some tarting up looked like this...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Barge/Cabinet3.jpg)
I've added details like a service revolver, hooks, mirror, and a regimental tie hanging out of a drawer...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Barge/Cabinet2.jpg)
...as well as a couple of luggage stickers slapped on the back of it. At this point doll house building mania really hit me, as I still thought it did not quite look convincing...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Barge/Hanger.jpg)
...so I made a jig for making scale wire hangers...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Barge/Cabinet1.jpg)
..and voila! (plus a zink basin and a straight razor) I ransacked the /resin/plastic pile for further clutter ...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Barge/Chair.jpg)
...like this 1/48 chair on which I've hung a white dinner jacket, exquisitely tailored out of bottle neck foil.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Barge/Chair2.jpg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Barge/Gramopone.jpg)
The gramophone I've clobbered together out of brass sheet and plasticard several years ago, which I now finally got to painting.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Barge/HatBoxes.jpg)
Adding some to the expedition much vital hat boxes. And a practitioners bag...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Barge/Crates.jpg)
..assorted nick-nacks, and a crate of champers, because what would a man be, out there in that green hell which is the Arumbaya basin, without his fizzy drink, eh?
Putting it all together it looks like this...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Barge/LivingCompartment.jpg)
Yes, that is the famed entomologist miss Dr. Racksing of Uppsala University, doing her ablutions. Avert your eyes.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Barge/LivingCompartment2.jpg)
I jammed a couple of botocudi arrows into the cabinet, to set the atmosphere.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Barge/LivingCompartment3.jpg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/Barge/CompletedBarge.jpg)
And thus it looks, all compartments in place. I will perhaps do a canopy over the living compartment. We'll see.
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:o :o :o
Oh, the details!
So, many details, and almost all scratchbuilt too.
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Probably the best thing that I have seen on here this year.
You bloody creative genius, you!
8) :D 8)
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lovely details :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
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Bludee hell... gorgeous! Definitely needs a canopy (but nothing too heavy).
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Haha, how wonderful to have an update... such nice work too!
And yes, get a canopy on there, stat. Perhaps even a little platform for a little bit of a game wrinkle?
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Haha, how wonderful to have an update... such nice work too!
And yes, get a canopy on there, stat. Perhaps even a little platform for a little bit of a game wrinkle?
Thanks!
”Game wrinkle”? Please explain.
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Wonderful work Peder. Sublime to the core. Canopy would just complete this wonderful project.
Best wishes,
Helen
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Great to see this back in production Peder. One of the all time great LAF projects. Long live the chicken race! :)
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Fantastic Hammers!!!!! :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* ...with all the classic small touches and metalwork that we have come to expect, I am truly happy to see this thread continued!
Lon
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Beautiful work :-* :-* :-*
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I wondered who necro'ed this thread and then I see it was the creator, and for good reason :)
Cool additions, insane detail!
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Always keen to see this thread re-visited, just exciting creations. Love the bathing beauty, have a number of those type vignettes in my collection. The Eureka one is my favourite.
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Thanks!
”Game wrinkle”? Please explain.
Sorry, probably should have said something like "add to its playability". :P
In any case, you could go many different ways. The basic one of course is just a fabric canopy over hoops or beams. However you could make it a hard top with railing which would add a defensible fallback point or observation deck.
A sort of compromise would be to have the forward third/quarter of a canopy as an actual platform, with any fabric canopy making up the rearward portion. So only a little sort of bridge, as it were (is the barge pulled along from shore or do they have a tow? A small command platform would certainly be appropriate in the case of the former).
Oh and one other idea I had was to have rolled up netting or additional canopy tied up along the top horizontal edges, thus leaving the sides open, but suggesting the travel compartment could be additionally sheltered (probably ineffectually) by drop-down curtains in case of inclement weather, a swarm of locusts, or what have you (but not, of course, the stray arrows of incensed locals).
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Sorry, probably should have said something like "add to its playability". :P
In any case, you could go many different ways. The basic one of course is just a fabric canopy over hoops or beams. However you could make it a hard top with railing which would add a defensible fallback point or observation deck.
A sort of compromise would be to have the forward third/quarter of a canopy as an actual platform, with any fabric canopy making up the rearward portion. So only a little sort of bridge, as it were (is the barge pulled along from shore or do they have a tow? A small command platform would certainly be appropriate in the case of the former).
Oh and one other idea I had was to have rolled up netting or additional canopy tied up along the top horizontal edges, thus leaving the sides open, but suggesting the travel compartment could be additionally sheltered (probably ineffectually) by drop-down curtains in case of inclement weather, a swarm of locusts, or what have you (but not, of course, the stray arrows of incensed locals).
Glad to see my effort are so engaging. :) There are many other considerations with this game (and I have gotten lost in details many times in trying to compete it) so I will have to think carefully before I invest any more in the comforts of the International Pytheas Society.
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This is Absolutely beautiful.
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This is Absolutely beautiful.
You are kind. At the same time you should know it is me spending time on too many details like this that has stalled this project. :)
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That's great! :-* :-* :-* I'm happy to see this project running again :)
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You are kind. At the same time you should know it is me spending time on too many details like this that has stalled this project. :)
But also what started it up again! lol
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So good to see this again, I love all the little details, truly awesome :-*
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Good to see your fantastic work again.
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Dropped by here to see if there was anything new. I've read through the entire thread two or three times so far. I realize that there must have been an intention to play games in this setting using Triumph & Tragedy, because of the location of this thread. But I'm wondering, Hammers, whether or not you've considered using Pulp Alley? Those rules seem perfect for a series of small scenarios set in your Arumbaya world.
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Ah, yes, well...
This project did not start as a wish to create a secondary world, I had a very specific idea on how to run naval rules using T&T (because I very much like those rules) for the figure combat resolution. This thread would probably be at how just as well in some other board but I sneakily placed it here to get some free advice from the Driscoles and Westfalia Chris. :)
The whole project ran aground, so to speak, because of elephantiasis. Sure, most of the miniatures are painted (probably more than I need), the boats are launched but the gaming matt is immense and quite difficult to find anywhere to test play and even store. There is a lot of terrain needed, a lot of it is prepped and hogging more shelf space in the garage than what my wife is happy with.
Still, it has been a labor of love and I still nurture a hope I will get back to Arumbaya one day. As you can see I still add an odd adventurer or animal to the collection as I find and paint something I think belongs to it.
As for Pulp Alley, sure, for what I've seen they could work for some minor a action in the Paquadorian jungle, but, again, the whole raison d'etre for this project is to see some piratey river boat action along the Arumbaya.
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This is an amazing thread! So much to inspire my own project, thanks for sharing your work... I am glad this resurfaced. I hope you get your Piratey River Adventure (TM) some time soon.
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Only about 4 months to go before the 10th anniversary of the start of this thread!
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This may be the most fascinating thread on the entire forum! Keep rolling!
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This may be the most fascinating thread on the entire forum! Keep rolling!
Wow, that is high praise, and as most such not true. But thank you!
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I agree. I followed this avidly while it was under construction and while not having those same modelling skills or indeed a game to use the constructs in, I was very tempted to build it. o_o
This may be the most fascinating thread on the entire forum! Keep rolling!
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I agree. I followed this avidly while it was under construction and while not having those same modelling skills or indeed a game to use the constructs in, I was very tempted to build it. o_o
Do it! But buy a hangar to house it in first. ;)
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(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/CRotAMayanHeadAndQuetzal.jpg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/CRotA/CRotAMayanHeadAndQuetzal2.jpg)
The Arumbayan Resplendent Quetzal, pharomachrus mocinno arumbayensis, perched atop a mayan stone head, triggering huge interest among both ornithologists and archeologists in the expedition.
I found this piece in the Frostgrave catalog and felt I just had to add it to the CRotA project at some point.
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Nice! I was just looking at that very piece on the North Star site today. I thought 'that's very nice, pity I have no use for it.'
Good to see that you have found something to do with it. You've done a smashing job there.
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Very nicely done and not a S***e in sight ;) :-*
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Cracking head :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
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That’s a bit good :-* Love the plants,and especially the duckie
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That’s a bit good :-* Love the plants,and especially the duckie
Duckie? It is a Resplendent Quetzal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resplendent_quetzal)!
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Duckie? It is a Resplendent Quetzal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resplendent_quetzal)!
And a fascinating duckie it is too. :)
Duckie ; synonymous to all birds.
Edited for clarity and silliness.
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Very nice terrain piece