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Title: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: timg on August 14, 2011, 04:56:30 PM
Has anyone any news on when the new command packs, the ones in pith helmets will be released? I see Turcos are planned, will there be any more FFL types or other troops for this era? Just asking in case anyone has the info. ;D
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: the commissar on August 14, 2011, 06:01:22 PM
I would like to know as well!

Something differen like Tirailleurs Tonkinois (sp) would be good.
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: traveller on August 14, 2011, 06:02:20 PM
Latest news seem to be this:
http://www.sdean-forum.co.uk/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=27000&p=328808#p328808
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: Arthur on August 14, 2011, 06:30:50 PM
I nicked most of the pics from the Frothers boards. The Tirailleurs algériens are obviously done (probably two packs, judging by the rest of the range) and there will be two command packs for the FFl as well. The chaps in full dress look very nice, but are not terribly useful since such uniforms were never worn in the field. Pics of the complete command packs should appear soon on the Artizan website.
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: fitterpete on August 14, 2011, 09:42:23 PM
Since there is a "command pack I" there must be another with command in helmet.The packs are suppose to have 4 figures and the bugler figure  in kepi must be in "command I".Any ideas as to what the others are? I'm thinking 2 officers, bugler and sergeant maybe.
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: Sterling Moose on August 14, 2011, 10:40:46 PM
The Officers in helmets are a 'must have'.  The French colonies on Mars need a new influx of good officers.
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: timg on August 14, 2011, 10:48:24 PM
Have heard the command pack in sun helmets will be a couple of weeks away, that is the ones in the photos Arthur tracked down for us. One figures seems to be based on Lt Selchauhansen, a Danish officer killed at El Moungar whilst the other officer (in cheich/goggles on helmet) is from a photo of a mounted company building an outpost and having seen the actual photo the figure is a dead match. Kudos to Artizan for this range. I believe mules with riders and Touregs and other tribesmen are in the pipeline at some stage too along with the Tirraileurs.
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: swiftnick on August 15, 2011, 08:45:42 PM
Didn't Mike Owen sculpt the Dixon French colonial range? I am just wondering how compatible they are??
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: Arthur on August 16, 2011, 03:36:10 AM
He did. I suspect his Artizan figures will be slightly taller, with better anatomy and crisper detail, as his sculpting style has evolved quite a bit since his Dixon days.
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: traveller on August 16, 2011, 12:37:48 PM
He did. I suspect his Artizan figures will be slightly taller, with better anatomy and crisper detail, as his sculpting style has evolved quite a bit since his Dixon days.

Spot on, they are bigger, butvthe Dixon ones are still good
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: Mike Owen on August 17, 2011, 09:25:22 PM
Hi,
 There should be a good few new packs added to this range over the next month. I have just finished the advancing Askari pack and a third pack of command figures. Partly finished I have marching Askari and Legionaries, Legionaries in uncovered kepis skirmishing and a mounted command pack. I will be doing some characters and local police and then start on the Tribesmen.
All the best.
Mike
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: timg on August 17, 2011, 10:59:55 PM
Wonderfull Mike ! Any chance of some Spahis one or Chasseurs d' Afrique? Would any characters by any chance be 'not Beau Geste' types ie a manic Sergeant? I'll stop being greedy now.....................
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: fitterpete on August 17, 2011, 11:28:58 PM
Great news! What about the Algerians? How many packs of those?
I'm waiting for the range to get some real numbers to it then going on a big buy spree!
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: Mike Owen on August 18, 2011, 12:11:29 PM
Hi,
 There will be 2 packs of the basic riflemen for the Algerians along with a command pack. I will be doing another pack in the short jacket as well. I am planning some Spahi and Chasseurs D'Afrique as well. The sun helmeted command are all done, I just needed to do a repair on the bugler green and get him re moulded so it was delayed a bit.
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: timg on August 18, 2011, 02:58:55 PM
Thanks for keeping us informed Mike. If you need any uniform refferences drop me a PM, got details on most French Army of Africa units.
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: fitterpete on August 18, 2011, 10:09:57 PM
Cool beans Mike, I really like the look of the Algerians(maybe do a third pack for giggles ;)).The cavalry are a welcome addition too!
Love your sculpting BTW, I have a lot of Artizan figures.
Pete
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: VonMoltke on September 02, 2011, 10:46:55 AM
@Mike

Is there a cance for greatcoat artillery crew and HMG?

Best regards
VonMoltke
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: inkydave on September 02, 2011, 11:58:36 PM
hoorah!!! are we gonna get a proper french colonial range at last? considering the scope and scale of French colonial wars they have been poorly represented on the tabletop over the years.Small armies, colourful uniforms,dashing deeds and heroic(larger than life) characters fighting varied and fascinating enemies over extreme landscapes? whats not to like? great sculpts so far from Mr Owen, he really does figs which are brush magnets.cant wait to get my mits on a fistful. 1 teeytiny eeny weeny niggle tho. ;) whats with the zouave/tirailier Algerian pants? they seem to be wrong. are they? I thought that during this period they wore those great big parachute pants which did not have proper seperate legs. Time for the green stuff? heres the reason for my theory.
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: timg on September 03, 2011, 11:03:18 PM
Having painted a fair few of the FFL of late i can attest to their accuracy and very high quality. Really nice figures to paint, great period as well so lets hope indeed this range grows and grows.
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: efredbar on September 04, 2011, 04:12:07 AM
I love the look of these and the period offers a lot for a painter but...the cost of these 28mm figures is ridiculous though.

I'm really interested in Dahomey but with shipping on eBay four figures would run 16 bucks...4 bucks a figure. I could stretch it out a bit with combined orders but still. It's silly. Even direct, and putting aside over seas shipping and the wait, it's 9 bucks for four figures.

Forget about the foundry packs...that's got to be a joke.

I've got the money...it just seems like such a bad deal I can't pull the trigger.

I guess I'll just wait for used ones to pop up or until I give in...which will probably be until tomorrow morning.  lol
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: Arthur on September 05, 2011, 11:23:28 PM
hoorah!!! are we gonna get a proper french colonial range at last?

That appears to be the plan, if the blurb on the Artizan website is anything to go by.
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: Mike Owen on September 06, 2011, 07:22:37 AM
Hi,
 Thanks for all the positive feedback guys.Just to let you know there will be some artillery out next month and the first mounted packs for the range along with some adversary's for them. I have dropped the crotch on the seroua trousers on the latest figures.
Efredbar glad you like the figures, I dont know what website postage prices your referring to on these but direct from Artizan the P&P is 10% worldwide. I hope that helps?
Regards.
Mike
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: VonMoltke on September 06, 2011, 09:40:38 AM
Thank you very much Mike! That are great news! Could you tell the community which is the fourth miniature in the greatcoat command pack? Unfortunally there is only the picture of the officer,the senior NCO? and the bugler..
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: timg on September 06, 2011, 11:11:41 AM
VM, Its an officer firing a pistol in kepi, tunic and putees. I'll try to get you a pic in a bit.
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: timg on September 06, 2011, 11:22:20 AM
VM, Its an officer firing a pistol in kepi, tunic and putees. I'll try to get you a pic in a bit.

Here go, command pack (excuse painting);
(http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff355/ausdig/ffl1.jpg)
(http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff355/ausdig/ffl2.jpg)
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: Ray Earle on September 06, 2011, 12:55:20 PM
Thanks for the update Mike. I'm waiting for Nick to get a couple more packs up on the site before I put in my next order. Lovely subject for a range of figures though.  :D
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: efredbar on September 06, 2011, 03:55:35 PM
Hi,
 Thanks for all the positive feedback guys.Just to let you know there will be some artillery out next month and the first mounted packs for the range along with some adversary's for them. I have dropped the crotch on the seroua trousers on the latest figures.
Efredbar glad you like the figures, I dont know what website postage prices your referring to on these but direct from Artizan the P&P is 10% worldwide. I hope that helps?
Regards.
Mike

Thanks for the response. I'm just having to get my mind right. I've been buying 15 mm figures (wonder what the price would look like if I broke those out individual...better leave it alone) and picking through people's lead piles on eBay.  Besides, as suggested, your figures will win out in the end...they're sharp.  Thanks also for the shipping info.

Other than Dahomey...who else can these pith helmeted chaps get after?

PS I stand by assessment of the Foundry prices. Those can't be real.
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: Plynkes on September 06, 2011, 04:39:38 PM
Other than Dahomey...who else can these pith helmeted chaps get after?

The FFL wore sun helmets in Madagascar, Indo-China and North Africa too, though I don't pretend to know enough about the subject to say whether the other uniform details are right for all of those campaigns.
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: inkydave on September 06, 2011, 06:36:11 PM
Now Im VERY excited.Shall put my first order in tonight.(football permitting) :)
Can you also add the Dardanelles WW1 to the list of suitable uses of the helmeted figs? more research I think.

Ps what great service from Mike and the team at Artizan. Interacting with the customer/end user regards thoughts on the future of the range. Three cheers!!!
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: Arthur on September 06, 2011, 09:50:57 PM
The FFL wore sun helmets in Madagascar, Indo-China and North Africa too, though I don't pretend to know enough about the subject to say whether the other uniform details are right for all of those campaigns.

Sun helmets were definitely regulation headgear for operations in the Sud-Oranais in western Algeria (although the covered kepi was unofficially and widely used there as well). Mike's Artizan figures are obviously designed with this campaign in mind since they are wearing the fatigue blouse and sash commonly used in North Africa. But they may also be fielded as the Régiment de marche d'Algérie in Madagascar before they were issued with blue naval paletots and grey-blue trousers. 
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: timg on September 06, 2011, 10:05:37 PM
And as for time span well if you dont worry too much about weaponary or a couple of minor details then you can use these right up to the 1920's/30's. Looking forward to seeing the Tirraileurs, they seemed to have shared a lot of the Legions operations in Maroc so best consider a section of them too i guess.
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: inkydave on September 09, 2011, 12:06:59 AM
Found some pics of French troops in the Balkans and Dardanelles WW1 wearing sun helmet and shirtsleeves so those figs look to be usable till at least 1915/16. units/ type of troops unknown though :'( the pics came from "the war illustrated". superbly jingoistic,chauvanistic and slightly bonkers but sadly not very good at captioning). I have ordered 1 of each pack from the range and will post a mini review later if you will indulge me.
this pic is of troops training on Lemnos before the Allied invasion. Poor quality but some details seem to be discernable. Uncovered sun helmets,waist sash and possibly khaki trousers.
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: inkydave on September 09, 2011, 12:08:44 AM
The quality of the above photo is better than in "the war Illustrated". looks like khaki helmet covers as well
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: Siaba on September 11, 2011, 10:14:25 AM
In my opinion, french infantry would never have gone to war in shirtsleeves. Greatcoat was the standart fighting dress during WW1  ;)
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: Mike Owen on September 13, 2011, 07:59:43 AM
Fantastic photo! The sun helmeted figures would be fine for WW1, I will be doing a pack of greatcoated figures in sun helmets too. Just for the variety.
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: pacofeanor on September 13, 2011, 09:59:09 AM
These photo looks like a drill session, as siaba said, during ww1 french troops never worn only shirts for battle, they have to wore great coats and sometimes during summer (and after spring 1915) they were allowed to fight with the jacket. (for summer great "offensives").

the sun halmet was worn for travels, march, but the steel helmet "adrian" was the only head gear for fighting after his arrival in september 1915 in France and later for Dardanelles.

Concerning the morrocan campaign, the use of kaky drill dress start in 1913 to 1931  for all "white"  troops (zouaves also !) with sun helmet and blue sash for FFL, BILA and zouaves. Even the "chasseurs d'afrique" wore it !

best regards
paco (my great great father was in marroco , gallipoli and Macedoine,  from 1913 to 1919!)
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: timg on September 13, 2011, 02:11:46 PM

Interesting photo, got any more?

 Mike the sun helmeted troops in greatcoats would be very usefull. Will we be seeing any troops in the khaki drill tunic which started appearing before the great war?

Paco, would like to heard more about your great Grandfather!
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: inkydave on September 13, 2011, 09:38:44 PM
Great news on the figs wearing capote and sun helmet :)
 Martin Windrow in 'Uniforms of the French Foriegn Legion-1831-1981' says that "a poor photograph taken on the beach at Sedd-ul-Bahr shows shows both khaki colonial helmets and khaki covered kepis." later quoting General Regnault who states that "the blue greatcoats worn over the khaki uniforms recieved for the Serbian campaign made a strange picture" We could spectulate that the Legionaires in the Dardanelles wore thier north African uniforms until re-organised and re supplied for thier deployment in Serbia where they recieved the new mustard khaki uniforms previously issued to African troops in Europe.
 The source for the above photo was this- www.gallica.bnf.fr (http://www.gallica.bnf.fr)  Search terms will need to be in French
(I use google translate to do the donkey work!!!)
The best photographic reference I have found for Legionaires in the period covered by Artizans releases is a postcard seller.His speciallity is French troops in Africa.hundreds and hundreds of inspirational pics. :o
www.abcdelacpa.com (http://www.abcdelacpa.com)
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: inkydave on September 13, 2011, 10:02:22 PM
A couple more pics from the BNF. All of troops in the Dardanelles.
pic 1 is well known and shows the 75 crew in Colonial uniforms
pic2 is in the trenches at Sedd-ul-Bahr and is a mix of what looks like Greek and French officers.
Pics 3 and 4 are taken together. 1 is captioned as troops leaving for the front and the other troops leaving the front.(Google translate???)great mix of uniforms.sun helmet in evidence.
pic 5 shows a mix of Fench troops including some in African uniforms.again at Sedd-ul-Bahr.
pic 6 is some more wearing the colonial sun helmet in 1915 at Salonica, this time at an airfield.
If i get round to gaming Gallipoli I will take the risk in depicting my Legionaries in a mix of African and European togs. if its not totally correct i can live with it. Mikes figs look so damm good I wil lsqueeze them in anywhere I can!!! :D
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: pacofeanor on September 14, 2011, 03:18:50 PM
hello, very nice photos!

the second show some french headquarter's officers, they are from artillery (they wear there dark blue with two red strips trousers) and they are not greek, they wear the 1892 "bonnet de police" wich shape  is called "serbian". It is worn by all troops and all ranks as "service or duty  cap".

For Gallipoli, you can use both sun helmet and kepis for FFL, and idem for infantry but with bleu horizon kepis ( 175 and 176 line regiments ) .

For these campaign, all troops received the kaki drill dress , a jacket and long pants in light kaki . And it is right that tehre is a photo off the landing of FFL (the only one i think!) and they are in kaki drill pants with dark blue coat .(april 1915)

The steel helmet apeared for the end of the campaign, after october 1915. at these ddate all metropolitan troops and colonial troops (including senegalese) are in blue "horizon" and all zouaves and tirailleurs algeriens in kaki "moutarde". The FFL is in blue "horizon" and received the kaki during the first monthes of 1916.

like in all countries, 1915 is a very complex year for uniforms and uniformity !!! with the mix of old paterns (pre-war) new paterns (very long to come in a significant number, especialy in Gallipoli a minor  front for the "general headquarter"!), and "herztats" patern (awaitings for the new paterns)

regards
paco

Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: timg on September 14, 2011, 04:02:35 PM
The second from last is an interesting one, full of details. The men appear to be wearing the blue vestes and possibly red or covered red torusers? The guys in the lighter tunics with fezes or 'chechias' are Chasseurs de Afrique i think? Another unit i would like to see made by Mike.
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: pacofeanor on September 14, 2011, 09:24:49 PM
you are right, they are "chasseur d'Afrique", they were only one squadron for the head quarter service (!!!) and they wear the pré-war jacket and red horse-pants "culotte"  with the typical red chechia with three black stripes!

Other soldiers are infantry men or artillery, with red pants (or dark blue iff artillery men ?), dark blue jacket "raz de cul" and horizon blue kepis! the 8th from left , just after the one on an amunition  box, seems to wear the blue over- trouser (blue drill pants over red or brown velvet pants ) this is typical of the 175° and 176° de ligne (as the horizon blue kepi !) from winter 1914 to winter  1915 for all french infantery as the new horizon blue was reseved for coats and kepis, not for trousers and jackets wich were old pré wars red trousers or erzats in velvet covered with this blue drill over -trouser !

I wonder iff they are changing their old pre-war dress for kaki drill clothing ??


my grand grand father was sergent and secretary of general Goureaud who commanded in chief the french expeditionary corps for several month before bieng wonded and loose his arm (the general not my ancestre!) My GGF follow the general since 1913 in marroco Champagne in december 1914 and Gallipoli in june 1915. He came back home in 1919, seven years of military duties instead of 36 month!!! he follow the french army in Macedonia (Salomique) to the end of the war.

He let me 600 photos, several medals and general Goureau's binoculars!  and his "road diary". only 6 had been taken from Gallipoli, all the other from Salonique!  it give a good idea of the hard fighting of this battle even for a man in the headquarter (remember there wer e no rear- front but leaving the peninsula for Moudros island! and some of the turcs offensives came to the subburbs of sedd ul Barr at the rear front and were stopped by head quarters troops, wounded soldiers cooks and disbanded unites!!.

His last words at the evening of his life were nightmares  from WWW1.
regards
paco
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: inkydave on September 14, 2011, 10:27:05 PM
Thank you Paco, some great info.
The British and commonwealth troops for this campagne are becoming well represented in miniature form. sadly the other allied nations less so. This may be because of a lack of good reference for them in the english language.  By the way- the carte postale vendor linked above has some fantastic images taken in Morocco during the time your GGF was there. He may be pictured!!!

thanks-D



Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: inkydave on September 14, 2011, 11:43:02 PM
Like this-
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: Helen on September 14, 2011, 11:55:56 PM
I do recommend this book:

(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s266/HelenBachaus/Helens%20Books/LesChasseursdafrique.jpg)

From my library, but can be bought from Amazon very cheaply.

Cheers,

Helen
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: Arthur on October 03, 2011, 06:05:52 PM
Bumping this thread up to inquire whether anyone has seen pics of the latest March or Die releases (command packs and tirailleurs algérien) ? They've been listed on the Artizan website for about three weeks now, but no photos have been added so far.   
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: inkydave on October 03, 2011, 07:16:33 PM
Hello Arthur. Just painted the flesh on the Artizan command packs!!! should be ready to photo in about a week.(i havn't picked up a brush in years and am having to re-learn) Very clean figures,painting up nicely so far. The figs in blouse and cork sun helmets in particular are real little crackers. will post again as soon as I have some ready.
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: Mike Owen on October 05, 2011, 08:12:53 AM
Hi Guys, Glad your enjoying the figures. I should have photos done and up on the website in the next day or so.
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: inkydave on October 07, 2011, 09:31:42 PM
Finally I hear you all cry. 1st wargames figure painted in about 10 years :o
I genuinely had to fight through painters block and this mini took about 5 or 6 times longer to paint than it would have years ago. Delighted that I completed 1 ,but wont know if I can still cut it with a brush untill I have some more practice under my belt. Lovely mini, well modelled and cast. Took a small liberty with the blouse and tried to depict a private purchase, (kinda ersatz), unbleached linen look. All constructive criticism welcome :)


Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: The Gray Ghost on October 08, 2011, 11:42:08 PM
What is the medal he is wearing?
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: inkydave on October 09, 2011, 12:18:20 AM
Hiya ghostie.
 its supposed to be the Medaille Coloniale,(instituted in 1893).As you can see from the attached image the central blue band on the ribbon needs a thin white stripe in it. I will attempt to paint it in after my dodgy Humbrol matt varnish decides to dry!!! 24 hours and counting.
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: Arthur on October 20, 2011, 07:48:18 PM
Hi Guys, Glad your enjoying the figures. I should have photos done and up on the website in the next day or so.

Any progress on the photographic front, Mike ?

Pics are more critical for the command sets as it is more important to know which figures go into which pack before ordering, especially given the uniform variants.
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: The Dozing Dragon on October 20, 2011, 10:49:59 PM
Finally I hear you all cry. 1st wargames figure painted in about 10 years :o
I genuinely had to fight through painters block and this mini took about 5 or 6 times longer to paint than it would have years ago. Delighted that I completed 1 ,but wont know if I can still cut it with a brush untill I have some more practice under my belt. Lovely mini, well modelled and cast. Took a small liberty with the blouse and tried to depict a private purchase, (kinda ersatz), unbleached linen look. All constructive criticism welcome :)

Nothing wrong with that! Only point from me would be to ink wash the base gravel to contrast with the figure more. Please keep going and post more, I like the style!
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: timg on October 23, 2011, 05:58:40 PM
Any progress on the photographic front, Mike ?

Pics are more critical for the command sets as it is more important to know which figures go into which pack before ordering, especially given the uniform variants.

Yep any more pics flying about?
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: Mike Owen on October 24, 2011, 03:29:00 PM
Hi Here are some photos of the command, marching legion and Tirralieur. really sorry about the delay getting these up here!!
Mike
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: The Dozing Dragon on October 24, 2011, 04:13:29 PM
Some nice sculpts there Mike.
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: Arthur on October 24, 2011, 04:52:49 PM
Cheers Mike. I'll post these on the Steve Dean forum as well. 
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: Malamute on October 24, 2011, 06:00:32 PM
I especially like the command figures and nice job inkydave on that officer :)
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: timg on October 24, 2011, 07:02:20 PM
Vive La Legion and Tirrailieurs ! Smashing figures, finaly a range that does justice to this epoch!  :-*
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: traveller on October 24, 2011, 10:00:50 PM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: Arthur on October 25, 2011, 11:22:41 PM
Just a couple of additional questions, Mike : the Artizan website lists a MOD010 pack (FFL in greatcoats). Since there is no picture of it, are the boys wearing kepis too or are they the pack of légionnaires in greatcoats and melon pit helmet you mentioned earlier in this thread ?

Furthermore, is the pack below MOD002 or MOD009 ? I was thinking the former but I'm not sure.

(http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=32068.0;attach=4576;image)
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: The Gray Ghost on October 26, 2011, 12:00:42 AM
this range just getting more awesomer all the time.
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: huevans on October 26, 2011, 02:30:48 AM
Hopefully, there will soon be some Chasseurs d'Afrique and some machine gun and field gun crews. And perhaps some spahis.
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: timg on October 26, 2011, 09:28:50 AM
Just a couple of additional questions, Mike : the Artizan website lists a MOD010 pack (FFL in greatcoats). Since there is no picture of it, are the boys wearing kepis too or are they the pack of légionnaires in greatcoats and melon pit helmet you mentioned earlier in this thread ?

Furthermore, is the pack below MOD002 or MOD009 ? I was thinking the former but I'm not sure.

(http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=32068.0;attach=4576;image)

(quote)

Thats command pack II Arthur.

Yep Spahis would be nice, any news on the Arabs opponents anyone ?

Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: Calimero on October 26, 2011, 12:06:14 PM

 :-* very lovely figures
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: pacofeanor on October 26, 2011, 04:00:27 PM
Hi Here are some photos of the command, marching legion and Tirralieur. really sorry about the delay getting these up here!!
Mike


i've got my morrocan tirailleurs for the "brigade indigene" in 1914 for the great war !!
my project is too play the book of general Juin (the one of the FFL in Italy in 1943) concerning his participation as a lieutenant of morrocan tirailleurs at the battle of the Marne in 1914.
very good news!

regards
paco
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: The Gray Ghost on October 26, 2011, 11:07:09 PM
Hopefully, there will soon be some Chasseurs d'Afrique and some machine gun and field gun crews. And perhaps some spahis.
and Arabs
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: fitterpete on October 28, 2011, 02:29:04 AM
Just a couple more packs and I'm going to drop the BIG order :-*
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: itchy on October 29, 2011, 05:36:51 PM
excuse my ignorance on this one ,but my knowledge of this subject is limited to the few films I've seen .I have bought a selection of these figures for a pulp game set in a fictional desert state ,but if I wanted to expand later into a historical setting would all these packs be ok in a sahara type setting just ordered a couple of books but eager to get cracking . ?
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: The Gray Ghost on October 30, 2011, 09:38:25 PM
I believe you could use these for the Sahara, Tonkin campaign and Sino-French War,
Dahomean War and Madagascar.
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: fitterpete on November 01, 2011, 10:28:40 AM
How long for the other Algerian Tiralleur pack?

I need to place a order for a friend and myself and thats the last pack we are waiting for ;)
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: Arthur on November 01, 2011, 09:17:32 PM
Both Tirailleurs algériens rank and file packs are illustrated on the Artizan website and available for sale. I imagine that the command pack will follow in the next few weeks along with the French cavalry, artillery and Berber tribesmen Mike mentioned in a previous post. He also said something about a Legion mounted command pack.

If we're extra nice, perhaps Mike will do skirmishing tirailleurs as well with some firing/loading poses. I'm also hoping for FFL mounted company packs, ideally one with mounted légionnaires and one with dismounted mule holders. 

Click on the link below to get to the March or Die range on the Artizan website :

http://www.artizandesigns.com/list.php?man=21&page=1 (http://www.artizandesigns.com/list.php?man=21&page=1)

  
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: fitterpete on November 01, 2011, 11:11:00 PM
Oh your right.Mike said two packs of basic riflemen and I thought he meant two packs advancing.I saw the marchers but they are  kind of a 'meh' for me.
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: Mike Owen on November 02, 2011, 08:56:54 AM
Hi, there is another pack of Algerians done, these are a mix of firing advancing and loading poses. The mounted company packs are under way and I am getting another pose of mule made before releasing them. I am currently working on the weapons for the Moroccans and these will start to come out in early December.
Regards.
Mike
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: Hobbit on November 02, 2011, 09:25:19 AM
I'm not a uniform expert, how similar are the Legion in sunhelmet figures to the marine infantry? I'm thinking of Boxer Rebellion here.
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: Plynkes on November 02, 2011, 09:56:20 AM
I'm not a uniform expert, how similar are the Legion in sunhelmet figures to the marine infantry? I'm thinking of Boxer Rebellion here.


The Marine Infantry in China wore a light blue denim uniform with a tunic, whereas the Legion figures seem to be mostly in shirtsleeves or greatcoats. They also wore massive, thick white canvas gaiters (noticeably bigger than the Legion ones) coming up right to their knees. A cute little anchor on the helmet topped off the ensemble.

Thinking about conversions, the way the Artizan figures have been sculpted though doesn't really leave any room for a bigger gaiter unfortunately. The Marine gaiters were at least twice as long as the Legion ones, yet there is no room on the figure for that extra length.  ??? I think perhaps these fellows are a tad short in the lower leg. But that's really just the 28mm sculpting style all round, not a specific criticism of these particular figures.


I have a photo in a book here at home, but this sketch was the best I could find in a quick web search:

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/CopyofFrench_Marine_smaller.jpg)
The sketch does match the uniform in the photo very well, except the guy in the photo has more gear, including a blanket roll over his shoulder.

I have seen a photo purporting to be from China of a Marine Infantryman in a dark tunic too, and he isn't wearing any gaiters at all. So I guess there may have been variations.
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: timg on November 02, 2011, 01:14:07 PM
Couple of pics of the command group II and a tirraileur im working on, really liked painting the tirraileur to the extent im now planning a unit rather than the initial couple of figures to use as scouts.
(http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff355/ausdig/fuchu006.jpg)
(http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff355/ausdig/fuchu007.jpg)
(http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff355/ausdig/fuchu009.jpg)
(http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff355/ausdig/fuchu001-1.jpg)
Looking forward to the rest of the range.
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: Arthur on November 02, 2011, 08:30:35 PM
Neat  :)

I f you wish to break the monotony of the all-white uniform, you can paint the helmet cover khaki - both white and khaki types were apparently used in the Sud-Oranais
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: inkydave on November 02, 2011, 08:51:25 PM
ooh timg I like those. :) I left off the sleeve insignia on my officer, you have put me to shame ;)

Neat  :)  I f you wish to break the monotony of the all-white uniform, you can paint the helmet cover khaki - both white and khaki types were apparently used in the Sud-Oranais
   Good idea. The 'melon' was issued from the 1880s in white only but from 1903 in khaki or white. Helmet covers were apparently banned during WW1 for sanitary reasons but I have seen photos from the 3rd Riff war (1920s) of them in use.

Hobbit-I echo plynkes' thoughts about about suitability of converting the legionaires to 'marsouins'. not really do-able. Old glory do some troupes de la marine in their boxer range but many of the poses are, (imho) woeful. sadly you cant pick individual figs from them so you have to take pot luck Im affraid. I would love to see colonial marines done by Mike for this range. Until the introduction of a tropical uniform in 1901, the FFL in Tonkin, Madagascar, and Dahomey were supplied to some extent by the navy. eg; at their arrival in Tonkin in 1883 the FFL arrived wearing covered kepi, red pants and blue greatcoats. within weeks these uniforms were efectively rotting and soon the troops were wearing a mix of locally made items and to a greater extent items originally destined for the marines. FFL cant double up as marines but marines can as Legionaires!!! (hint hint)

The old Osprey on the Boxer rebellion has a decent illustration of a french marine and a great posed uniform photo aswell. I would love to see a conversion if you can do it,(remember no waist sash), my sculpting skill wouldnt even come close. lol
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: nicknorthstar on November 07, 2011, 01:42:33 PM
I've got all the available packs photographed now, and most are painted (by Dave Woodward).

http://www.artizandesigns.com/list.php?man=21&page=1

Mike delivered more figures today, including the marching fully laden Legionaries.
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: timg on November 07, 2011, 03:02:48 PM
Any mules arrived yet? Look forward to seeing the new stuff.
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: nicknorthstar on November 07, 2011, 03:25:23 PM
Got part of the Mule pack, have you seen on our Facebook gallery?

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.219548958074014.78334.218634441498799&type=3

The rest of the pack will be finished very soon.
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: Arthur on November 07, 2011, 05:20:12 PM
Excellent, Nick. Mike also said something about doing a pack of legionnaires in greatcoats and 'melon' helmets. Are they part of the forthcoming release ? 
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: Arthur on November 08, 2011, 12:10:59 AM
Since we happen to be discussing it :

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/198763_254916697870573_218634441498799_980093_1555542_n.jpg)

Dunno if it's the pic but the mule looks a bit small : more a donkey than a mule if you see what I mean. Love the legionnaires with greatcoats buttoned across the chest on the other hand.
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: fitterpete on November 20, 2011, 05:45:48 PM
Any news on the third Algerian pack(firing/advancing/loading) Mike mentioned?
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: Mike Owen on November 22, 2011, 06:07:31 PM
Great to see the painted figures.
 If you have any decent pictures of the Marines I will happily add them in to the range. I am under way with the Moroccans so if any of you have suggestions for packs now would be a good time. The third Algerian pack are done along with a couple of packs of the French in the later Jacket.
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: fitterpete on November 23, 2011, 12:54:22 AM
Thanks Mike :) I'm  waiting for that last pack to place a order and my buddy has me getting a bunch of moors for him and is waiting too.Just wanted to be able to give him a update on the ETA.
Pete
.
oh yeah, what do the Moroccans look like? I'm not familiar with the era.TBO I'm using these for VSF.
My pack suggestion is 3 packs of four skirmish/advancing/loading/firing for a troop type.That way you can get two packs of each and some command to make a 26-30 man unit and only have one of each pose duplicated.Or a 16 man unit all unique.Or a 20 or 24 man unit with only a few duplicate poses.I usually look at any range like this.
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: Elprez on December 07, 2011, 09:09:40 AM
Received my first pack of these from North Star today, and lovely they are too, thanks.
I dont want to upset anyone waiting for all the historically correct figures, but is there any chance of a pair of character figures for this range something like these two recruits? Please?

(http://www.downeu.net/uploads/posts/2011-03-29/338222-0.jpg)
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: timg on December 07, 2011, 10:13:41 AM
In a way you could class those two chaps as historical at this date in time! Would be nice to see them done by someone like Mike though and the Marines would be usefull for so many gamers and their schemes. How about some in their classic double breasted tunic, trousers, gaiters etc and with a choice of hats, sun helmets, kepis etc to give them even more variety? And dont forget a certain unt of foreigners who wore a lot of Marine uniforms ion Tonkin! Thus even more potential use for some Marines.
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: fitterpete on January 06, 2012, 02:18:09 AM
What ever happened with the the Algerians,French in jacket and Morrocans?
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: nervisfr on January 06, 2012, 09:06:56 AM
Great to see the painted figures.
 If you have any decent pictures of the Marines I will happily add them in to the range. I am under way with the Moroccans so if any of you have suggestions for packs now would be a good time. The third Algerian pack are done along with a couple of packs of the French in the later Jacket.

Fantastic range. Forgotten since too long time, at least, the French colonial are coming !
Can we do expect some casualties or other "funnies" like vignettes packs :
* Camp area (French legion and arab one).
* Arabian civilians (djellabah etc....)
* Road Workers of the legion (the mighty unit was often used for road construction and engeenering work. used for camp duties too.....
etc...
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: VonMoltke on April 28, 2012, 02:01:24 PM
Hmmmm? Where is the artillery? ;) Should be released in October?
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: Mike Owen on May 01, 2012, 10:25:36 AM
We have had some difficulty with casting the Cannon so I have been trying to modify it. :o
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: Calimero on May 01, 2012, 12:40:04 PM

Is that the 75mm gun? If so, maybe you could make a arrangement with one of the manufacturers that produce them? Or just sell crews... just an idea :?
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: Mike Owen on May 01, 2012, 02:18:18 PM
It is a 75mm. I had decided to just release the crew figures until I had the gun sorted as there are a few models out there.
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: Laflin and Rand on May 02, 2012, 03:36:34 AM
It is a 75mm. I had decided to just release the crew figures until I had the gun sorted as there are a few models out there.


Yes! My gun could use a crew.
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: huevans on May 03, 2012, 12:30:18 PM
Great to see the painted figures.
 If you have any decent pictures of the Marines I will happily add them in to the range. I am under way with the Moroccans so if any of you have suggestions for packs now would be a good time. The third Algerian pack are done along with a couple of packs of the French in the later Jacket.

The obvious suggestions are Spahis and Chasseurs d'Afrique.
Title: Re: Artizan FFL command packs/other future releases ?
Post by: Gothic Line on May 20, 2012, 06:06:26 PM
 I have a good range of French Senegalese Tiralleurs, never releases them, but they are ready in case anyone is interested contact me.
 www.gothicline.webs.com