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Miniatures Adventure => Age of the Big Battalions => Topic started by: Helen on December 17, 2011, 10:03:16 AM
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Hello,
I wish to look at Napoleon in Egypt next year on a small scale. Its more or less been on the wish list for many many years. The right miniatures have now come along so I've some Brigade Games French being sent by Lon and I'm hoping to see photos of painted miniatures by similar folks who maybe on this fourm or can be directed to. Moreover, some ideas for the period.
Painting camels will be a challenge and I hope someone can help out here too with a how to guide. The savants that are just new I've ordered to. I wish to make up some bases with a scene for them and I hope we can see some further character packs in the future. I've not painted Napoleonics before now, but I've painted nearly every other period for customers and myself.
I don't think I'll be gaming the period, but just painting up units. I did find a neat set of rules on a Yahoo group that covers this period. The activity on the group site is not very active, nevertheless, I like the basing idea and will be a guide for my collection.
I'll add some British, Arabs and Ottoman too. The British naval landing party is a must do.
I wish to keep the scenics more or less on bases, but a few larger pieces might be nice. Any ideas greatly received with thanks.
My reference library is adequate and awaiting the two books from Caliver to complete the references. I've Bonoparte La campagne d'Egypte in French which is just the best for the period in question.
Thanks for reading,
Helen
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This always looked like a nice period to do. some of the French units had the most bizarre colours.
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I'm doing the British naval landing party, Helen, but might wait for Lon (and Hicksy!) to produce their French naval opposition, and then do ship-to-ship actions rather than get involved with camels, mamelukes and the like... It is an interesting and attractive period though, so i might succumb. I've always loathed 'big battle' Napoleonics with a passion, but this is sufficiently different and interesting to be tempting... ;)
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I have been thinking of getting into these partly due to the very nice Brigade figures and partly as it is something a little different from mainstream Napoleonics. But having just moved house the extra cost of postage and customs/handling fees etc. is making it a little bit too expensive at the moment. I would love to see some painted examples though (although that might tip the balance...)
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We've been playing Egypt with Song of Drums and Shakos several times. I had Victrix figures with the Balloon Corps on the French side and a Naval landing party on the other side. Loads of Egyptian fish tank scenery and palmtrees and Hirstarts castings from their Egyptian line.
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For terrain inspiration it's worth looking in remainder bookshops for a copy of "Description de l'Egypte".
Also has some costume pictures, fortifications etc.
I think Taschen did a postcard version of some of the plates, but I've seen large reprints too, typical coffee table books.
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You should also check out Napoleon in Egypt by King & Country, see this link;
http://www.kingandcountry.co.uk/indexproductcategories.asp?pcid=73&mcid=1
The K&C leaflets show some stunning dioramas and themed terrain.
Tony
http://dampfpanzerwagon.blogspot.com/
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Thanks very much folks for your kind comments. There will be no large collections or battles, but a taste of everything.
Richard, ship board actions will certainly be on the cards notwithstanding the French and British both had naval landing parties with their forces. I'm sure there are rules for the former in the pipeline somewhere.
I've seeen the King and Country miniatures and they do give some inspiration, thank you.
Thanks Johan and Fastolfrus for your suggestions.
Joroas, I too just love the colour variations on the uniforms.
Cheers,
Helen
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Helen,
The two Caliver books are worth their weight in gold. A friend of mine loaned me Buonaparte, La Campagne d'Egypte and I've been reading it ever since. Magnificent book and I'll try to get hold of another copy for myself.
There are a few good illustrations in the Funcken 'Les soldats de la Revolution Francaise'
Then there is a Belgian 'semi comic book' actually more like a potted history with illustrations by Mondolini published by Casterman in 2008 ISBN 978-2-203-01734-4. Same title 'Bonaparte , la campagne d'Egypte. (In French)
Articles:
Gloire et Empire magazines nrs 5, 7 and 10 La Campagne d'Egypte. Must haves! Dozens of really great illustrations.
A really splendid one with good illustrations in the two part Soldats Napoleoniens 'dossier de recherche' by Yves Martin.
L'Egypte Tricolore by Jacques Brouillet appeared in Le Briquet in the 80s.
Wargames Illustrated Three part article by Stephen Ede- Borret
Practical Wargamer Vol 12 nr 3. The Battle Of The Pyramids. Charles Grant.
Dossiers de recherche of Michel Petard 'Demi Brigades en Egypte in Soldats Napoleoniens.
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I found this free novel, the story of a young English man in Egypt, at the time of the French Invasion. Only about 40 pages in so far, but I am enjoying it so far and the French haven't even arrived yet :D
http://www.archive.org/stream/ataboukiracresto00hentiala#page/40/mode/2up
Hopefully make for some light reading.
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By coincidence Frank just added a camel painting tutotial in his "Desert Column" post over on the colonial board. http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=32479.0 (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=32479.0) . Egypt tempts me, but I have a large pile of Eureka French and Austrians that need finished first!
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By coincidence Frank just added a camel painting tutotial in his "Desert Column" post over on the colonial board. http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=32479.0 (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=32479.0) . Egypt tempts me, but I have a large pile of Eureka French and Austrians that need finished first!
The Eureka French are very compatible with the ones Paul made for Lon. Muahahahah = evil laugh.... lol
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Thank you Willie for your thoughts. Wow, more books on the subject. Might need to look at some of them in the future. I've the WI articles, thanks.
Thanks Aaron, I did see the tutorial.
Cheers,
Helen
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I found this free novel, the story of a young English man in Egypt, at the time of the French Invasion. Only about 40 pages in so far, but I am enjoying it so far and the French haven't even arrived yet :D
http://www.archive.org/stream/ataboukiracresto00hentiala#page/40/mode/2up
Hopefully make for some light reading.
Thank you for the link.
Helen
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I started a lead pile of the Brigade Napoleon in Egypt line too. Haven't got anywhere near starting painting it though. My thought was to do small scale games using Sharp Practice.
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This period would make for an excellent Sharp Practice campaign, IMO. Not likely to get around to it in the near future myself, but regarding camels-- this guy has painted some excellent ones I think.
(http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r302/timmo67/Sudan/BEJACAMELS.jpg)
http://wdlovesme.19.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=4893&start=25
Part of his Sudan collection, but camels are camels, right?
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Just picked up, "Napoleon in Egypt" ~ Paul Strathern, really like his writing style from what I have read so far, should keep my busy throughout the boredom of Christmas :D
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Don't forget Elite Miniatures do a French in Egypt range too. Perhaps not your first choice but there may be a gem in their older style castings. Worth a peep maybe?
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I was chatting with Willie and I mentioned about using the dismounted Dromedary French standard bearer holding an umbrella for the Brigade Games savant that is sketching or for any other savant.
Does anyone know of a company that produces an umbrella that is suitable for the period in 28 mm?
Looking forward in painting some of the Brigade Games Napoleon in Egypt miniatures when they arrive including my first camel.
Cheers,
Helen
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Hi
I have just placed my first very small order for some of the Brigade figures (I now always start with very small orders as I so easily get distracted as you would see by all my sales in the Bazaar lol).
I will steal your idea re Umbrella, if you don't mind. I plan to use one I had in my spares box from a Bob Murch Pulp figure in the Chinese Civilians pack, I am sure if you contact him he would send you one out. Even though a Chinese Parasol, not to distinct in design, used in a different context I am sure it will look OK.
Do you know of any Films or TV (inc. Documentaries) which feature Napoleon in Egypt as where possible I like to find this sort of thing for additional inspiration?
Cheers
Simon
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Thanks guys for your comments and suggestions. Simon, cheers on the suggestion.
My order was only small and futher orders will be the same. I just want to dip my feet into the water so to speak on this period. Skirmish maybe the way to go without outlaying too much and still get the flavour for the period. Besides I'm waiting for the French sailors and marines for some ship board actions as well.
The first of the miniatures for Napoleon in Egypt from Brigade Games have arrived. They are very nicely detailed as you would come to see from Mr Paul Hicks. My collection will see the French advancing as oppose to marching and Legere skirmishing. Loads of character and charm with a number of variations you come to see from Lon who has done his researched for the period or maybe not! In this case I like to think of the former.
As Willie had indicated earlier and recommended on the articles listed, I purchased the 'Gloire & Empire' three past series on "La Campagne d'Egypte." Highly recommended as it covers all beligerents, moreover,the illustrations themselves are enough to warrant such purchase.
Lon is not saying much about future releases except 'yes' for the French saliors and marines.
I'd like to see a Legere command, French sentries, character pack containing wounded command and line troops.
For the British and representing the 28th Foot fighting back to back at Alexandria a character pack of wounded command and line troops as shown on page 33 in the painting by LtCol J.Marshman from the Osprey 'Napoleon's Egyptian Campaigns 1798-1801.'
I'm sure there will be other suitable suggestions and if you do have some please list them here.
Cheers,
Helen
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Any suggestions for Bedouins and rabble? Concerned with getting guns and dress that don't look to out of plac.e
My initial purchase is for 6 Chasseurs in campaign dress, 4 Officers, 4 Savants, And Camel Corp standard bearer for Umbrella.
My next purchase will be for some Bedouins and Arab Rabble, followed by Mamelukes, more French, Civilians and some of the nice Paul Hicks accessories in the Eureka range, Cantinierre, Sword sharpeners, Wheel wrights and Field bakery etc.
Each additional purchase will be reliant on my finishing the previous purchase.
I intend to initially use the Foundry Horse and Musket rules "Frei Korps" as After two purchases 20 figs will be able to have games. If :D Once I have enough figures I would like to use both "Sharps Practice" and Matakishi's Zulu warriors game as I have fond memories of playing this with Foriegn Legion and Arabs and I think it will work for this conflict.
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Received my copy of "Bonaparte La Campagne D'Egypte by J.Mondoloni and Jacques Martin from a bookshop in Germany. The coloured illustrations are brillant. Thank you Willie for the recommendation.
Hopefully Lon has the Bedouins and rabble covered in the future.
Keep us updated Simon on your project.
Cheers,
Helen
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Just picked up this thread.
I have started pulling together my Ottoman Collection for taking on the French.
You can follow my progress here.
http://dusttears.blogspot.com/2011/08/ottoman-turks-on-campaign.html
A mixture of Brigade, Foundry and Perry Miniatures.
(http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm269/seelowe41/Turks/P1020692.jpg)
(http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm269/seelowe41/Turks/P1020760.jpg)
(http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm269/seelowe41/Turks/P1020714.jpg)
Cheers
Stu
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Very nice Stu. The collection is really coming together for you.
Cheers,
Helen
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Here are the latest releases from Paul's creative hands -
French Gendarmerie a Pied (6)
French Dragoons - dismounted - Skirmishing (4)
French Legion Nautique (Sailors) I (4)
French Legion Nautique (Sailors) II (4)
Spanish Grenadiers Marching (6)
http://www.brigadegames.com/Napoleonics--1789--1807-Revolution-Egypt-Europe_c_37.html (http://www.brigadegames.com/Napoleonics--1789--1807-Revolution-Egypt-Europe_c_37.html)
And yes, read several good books on the subject that got me hooked. Now I have a huge collection of research material. I have obviously expanded my original thoughts by covering other theatres to broaden the range appeal and allow me to continue to add to the range.
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Napoleon in Egypt is a very fascinating subject and very colourful. I always wanted to do some sometime when I will have money. Anyhow I would like to advise you that there is a whole line by Minifigs covering almost everything you need. I know they do it in 15mm but I am not sure if they did it in 25mm. If not for the collection of them, the catalogue is a good reference to seek what you like to collect (or convert) from other manufacturers.
There is an interesting film set during the later napoleonic era (1812) in the area.
Just I would like to advise you that someone is also making a couple of french scientists (I think in 28mm) that accompanied Napoleon in the Egyptian campaign. Sorry, I cannot find any link but it is an interesting subject to be covered.
BTW the Napoleon's campaign in Egypt has an influence in some later parts of history. French officers legt in Egypt modernized the Egyptian army and Mohamed Ali had a better and more modern disciplined army than the Sultan. They Egyptian army proved very tough and created lots of problem in the Greek War of Independence (1821-1828). Also the egyptian army of 1820's was similarly dressed to the egyptian figures now profuced by Gringo's40 for the maximilian campaign in Mexico!
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Just I would like to advise you that someone is also making a couple of french scientists (I think in 28mm) that accompanied Napoleon in the Egyptian campaign. Sorry, I cannot find any link but it is an interesting subject to be covered.
Yeah, my company, BrigadeGames.com ;D
http://www.brigadegames.com/French-Scientists-Savants-All-4-variants_p_3077.html
(http://www.brigadegames.com/French-Scientists-Savants-All-4-variants_p_3077.html)
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Lon
Love the sailors and Savants what else can we expect to see for the Ottomans?
Cheers
Stu
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Yeah, my company, BrigadeGames.com ;D
http://www.brigadegames.com/French-Scientists-Savants-All-4-variants_p_3077.html
(http://www.brigadegames.com/French-Scientists-Savants-All-4-variants_p_3077.html)
Yeah that is!
Thanks for reminding to me as well. me memory fails recently
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Just flicking through this months WI and the next issues theme is 'Skirmishing in the Shadow of the Pyramids' and the picture appears to show some Napoleonic figures - so it may be worth checking out!
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Thanx for the WI-Infos.
I play for some time now with the idea of gaming the more exotic themes of napoleonic era:
Haiti, Egypt, Russia in the winter...
But the french in egypt is the most colourfull to me.
DV
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Its all Jack Scruby's fault that I game in this period. He had a way of 'selling" wargame periods and he did a slam up bang up job with this. Stating that it was colorful, there were a wide variety of troops to choose from. It was a Napoleonic period, it was a Colonial period. It had adventure, it had romance, the battles weren't the grand ventures of Austerlitz, or Jena. It's fun, give it a try, so I did.
It was nice to see how this post filled up. I am always looking for new ideas, new books, new figures (don't I have enough of them already). One of these years I will land on the Malabar Coast and take over all of India to knock England out of the war.
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Inspired by this thread I took a chunk off Lead Mountain yesterday.. :)
Perry Miniatures - Bashi Bazouk and a desert well.
I Painting up a couple of extra units for a game this evening, using the Too Fat Lardies - Sharp Practice Rules.
(http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm269/seelowe41/Ottoman%20Turk/P1030050.jpg)
Further details can be found here.
http://dusttears.blogspot.com/
Cheers
Stuart
Evesham Wargames Club
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Took the plunge myself and ordered some French infantry in Kleber uniforms and dromedary corps. My own wish list for future releases is actually quite small, and would not entail too much work for Paul. It mainly consists of the following :
a/ A second French infantry command pack in Kleber uniform (well the first one is called command 1 so it's fair to assume there's another one in the pipeline)
b/ French grenadiers in Kleber uniform and attack march poses (preferable in leather casquettes à pouf rather than bicorne, as not all grenadiers retained the latter after January 1799)
c/ French artillery crews in Kleber uniforms.
I may seem fixated on Kleber uniforms but figures wearing these are actually the most useful types for the Egyptian campaign since the regulation habit-veste and bicorne were only worn for about six months after the July 1798 landing. The good thing about figures in Kleber uniforms is that they can also be painted dark blue to depict the cotton jacket worn throughout 1799 until its replacement by the cloth Kleber pattern.
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Not quite Egypt but my Ottoman's got their first real outing on Sunday against a Russian Infantry force, played using the Too Fat Lardies rules.
A full AAR can be found here.
http://dusttears.blogspot.com/
Cheers
Stu
Evesham Wargames Club
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I'm slowly working my way into this period it has such colorful troops.
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I just came across this potentially useful painting guide for Napoleonic-era Ottomans over on the Napoleon Series forum. The Military Costumes of Turkey was originally published in 1818, is chock full of full-color plates, and can be had for free from Google books!
http://books.google.co.uk/books/about/The_Military_costume_of_Turkey.html?id=098GAAAAQAAJ&redir_esc=y (http://books.google.co.uk/books/about/The_Military_costume_of_Turkey.html?id=098GAAAAQAAJ&redir_esc=y)
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Just found this thread. Very interesting period indeed for many cultural reasons. Recommend eating fish in Abu Kir Bay. It amazes me that when Napoleon and Champoleon were doing thier thing, where my flat now stands was totaly empty with a clear view of the Pyramids. One source of information that might yield some results is the American University in Cairo Press that has an extensive publication list in English. My books covering the period are in Cairo (and I'm not 'till June) and in Arabic. Depending on your patience and length of this project I would be happy to look into this more, apart from being more 'on the spot' as it were!
Pip Pip
Harvey
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@WillyB
In reference to your citations: "A really splendid one with good illustrations in the two part Soldats Napoleoniens 'dossier de recherche' by Yves Martin."
Can you tell me which editions had these articles in them, as I would like to find them. Thanks in advance.
@Arthur, I think some of your 'wants' list have actually been done...at least the last time I checked the Brigade Games site. I have a bunch of Lon's/Paul's figs in my collection and they do look great. I also still have my small collection of Dixon minis for this period, which actually aren't that bad at all.
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I just got that issue of Wargames Illustrated. Nice, but brief, little discussion of the subject. Would love to do some skirmish gaming as suggested, but at a really small level--say on par with Chaos in Cairo. Thought about Sharpe Practice, but I'd rather do like 10-20 figs rather than 30-40. And I wouldn't be averse to throwing in the occasional mummy either ;)
I wonder, would Chaos in Cairo actually still work for this period, or would it be boring without the SMGs and other 20th century technology? Other suggestions? Maybe Gloire?
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Scott has used the same basic game engine for fantasy and myth, so a lack of rapid-fire firearms is no hinderance IMO. I actually wrote an adaptation to use the rules for French and Indian War games.
Dammit, now you gave me one more excuse to paint some of those figures! >:(
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Axabrax,
we have been playing it with Songs of Drums and Shako's which works perfectly.
As there is a fantasy version of these rules called Songs of Blades and Heroes you can include a mummy without a problem.
I even had a little miscast with one of my Marines who was missing a foot. I gave him a pegleg and adapted his stats to walking only short distances instead of medium which worked like a charm. You can find these rules at Ganesha Games.
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I even had a little miscast with one of my Marines who was missing a foot. I gave him a pegleg and adapted his stats to walking only short distances instead of medium which worked like a charm. You can find these rules at Ganesha Games.
Sounds like a perfect solution Johan!
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SDS totally slipped my mind! They are a fantastic little set of rules and would work perfectly as Johan says.
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I had forgotten about that set. Does SDS have stats for Ottomans?
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There are stats for the Ottomans in the "More Drums and Shakos" supplement.
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I just got that issue of Wargames Illustrated. Nice, but brief, little discussion of the subject. Would love to do some skirmish gaming as suggested, but at a really small level--say on par with Chaos in Cairo. Thought about Sharpe Practice, but I'd rather do like 10-20 figs rather than 30-40. And I wouldn't be averse to throwing in the occasional mummy either ;)
Sharp Practice would work fine. I have played games with units of 4-6 figures each with no problem and very similar results.
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Though my main interest in Napoleonics has been Borodino, I'm getting drawn in to Egypt more and more....
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Painted some sailors from the Brigade Games Napoleon in Egypt range...
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=40047.0
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@Arthur, I think some of your 'wants' list have actually been done...at least the last time I checked the Brigade Games site.
Nope, they haven't. There are two command packs in regulation habit, but only one in Kleber uniforms. Ditto for the grenadiers : there's one pack in attacking poses but the march attack grenadiers to complement pack NF011 have yet to be released along with the artillery crews in Kleber uniforms.
One minor historical quibble regarding the Kleber uniform grenadiers is that Paul chose to sculpt them all in plumed bicornes rather than casquettes à pouf. I suspect this is because he used the famous Chasseriau drawing below as his main source :
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i414/arthurs-account/88me.jpg)
Nothing wrong with that as this is the only known contemporary rendition of French troops in Kleber uniforms (the men were sketched after landing in Marseilles courtesy of the Royal Navy in 1801). However, some of the uniform details are peculiar to the 88th line demi-brigade to which these men belong : their coats have pointed cuffs which were otherwise worn by the four light infantry demi-brigades only, all line infantry units having round cuffs except the 88th. The bicorne also doesn't seem to have been universal among elite companies as many grenadiers and light infantry carabiniers opted for the leather casquette instead.
Time permitting, I may do a review of the Brigade Napoleon in Egypt range here as this is a sub-period close to my heart.
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It may be worth remarking that usually one can't beat paintings for fair accuracy. It would be great to have more than one source naturally, but the cuffs are consistent on all the figures and would seem not an invention....
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Well, I'm not saying Paul invented them, of course, merely that pointed cuffs were worn by the 2nd, 4th, 21st and 22nd light demi-brigades and the 88th line demi-brigade, whereas the nine remaining line demi-brigades all had rounded cuffs. The Chasseriau drawing is one of the very few contemporary documents showing a demi-brigade in its Kleber uniform - in this case the 88th -, but the army as a whole is pretty well documented, notably through the works of Rigo who produced quite a few plates on Bonaparte's Egyptian expedition.
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Arthur, I was not accusing you of suggesting that Paul did, merely that paintings are a reliable guide to go on. In fact, at last night's lecture on Safavid and Mughal figurative textiles, it was easy to compare the actual articles (some being cloaks of honour and therefore preserved) with paintings of them.
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I just noticed that a new article has been posted to the Napoleon Series that might be of interest. It is a listing of units and strengths for the Armee de l'Orient at a couple of points in the campaign based on La Jonquiere's five volume work.
http://www.napoleon-series.org/ (http://www.napoleon-series.org/)
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Sorry for resurrecting this, but I have been considering taking my French Napoleonics in a new direction. Many searches keep coming back to this topic, especially because of the pdf at Napoleon-series on the Army of the Orient.
Something that I am considering is the "Unified Terrain Initiative" - how many armies can I make around desert or beach type terrain, with buildings, palms, etc, all working as one uniform set of terrain? Space and money will be saved. One board or set of terrain tiles will be required.
My projects:
ECW - hmmm, doesn't seem to fit, at all!
Napoleonics - I headed off towards Leipzig with these, so obviously a bit of a wrong direction if I want the UTI to work. But I have Russians, which fought the Ottomans in 1810-11 so could be argued that the Ottomans might cross over. New French to be required. New British, and a bit of work to boot, to make these happen. Possible.
Nap Naval - easy to make my navies work around the Nile. Perfect!
Soudan - Perfect!
WW2 - 101 Airborne. Put them away. Painted. Could flog.
Sikhs, Desert Rats, Fallschirmajager - Perfect!
BEF, French, EW Germans. Hmmm. Transform to the desert? But what about my BEF?
My 1955 UFO Invasion of Alberta. There is a nice desert in Manitoba, with a strange water feature called the Devil's Punchbowl - so, check! They work.
Yom Kippur - Perfect!
So looks like I am most of the way there.
Just need to get rid of my "wrong" French, and pick up Ottomans and British. Just ...
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Egypt is of interest to me and the Imperial adventures that happened there. Has to be said that the terrain does vary considerably - also in the Sudan. There is sure a hell of amount of desert but quite an amount of agricultural land as well. Best wishes on the project though.
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And we still need Brigade Games and the über-busy Paul Hicks to produce a second infantry command pack in Kleber uniforms along with some artillery crews also in Kleber uniforms...
Well, you can't blame me for trying... :D
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And we still need Brigade Games and the über-busy Paul Hicks to produce a second infantry command pack in Kleber uniforms along with some artillery crews also in Kleber uniforms...
Well, you can't blame me for trying... :D
Artillery! That seems to be tougher to find. Not 100% sure what I'm going to do about them, yet.
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Egypt will be my next napoleonic project (not before 2014! :'()
for the same reason than grant, i will use terrain and some minis for other periods !
and i like mameluks so much! (and emigrant's regiments in brittish service!)
cordialement
paco
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Bit of threadomancy here, but Dixons have their army pack at £99 atm.
http://www.dixon-minis.com/shop/army-deals-special-offers/NAP%5CAP1B/
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Bit of threadomancy here, but Dixons have their army pack at £99 atm.
http://www.dixon-minis.com/shop/army-deals-special-offers/NAP%5CAP1B/
Thanks Joroas for the news.
Cheers,
Helen
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Helen
only just spotted this thread..........having been in Egypt a few times
i stayed close to the Pyramids and tried to locate the exact spot of the
actual battle ..even with local guides we eventually summised part or all was located at the nearby giant carpark!!.
its hard not to fascinated in this turbalent period of the Napolenic Wars..
must resist o_o
regards
Ged
www.gringo40s.com
www.gringo40s.blogspot.com
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Give in Ged to the dark side....Gringo could do the early Naps in Egypt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I don't just do Egypt, I do India. That's right, I've managed to land a smallish French Force on the Malabar Coat. Wasn't able to save Seringaptam but I'm giving Wellesley a hard time. The figures I use are the Redoubt Wellington in India Range. I've painted up the British in Bicorns as French and use the native figures as well as some left over from the Sudan and Turags from the French Foreign Legion.
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Hm
If Ged would do this, very nice idea :-*
Carl
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Rob and Cmdr would have to trade Mrs Gringos in for a shed load
of camels to do this range lol
wait and see what i do next...hopefully as coloufull!!
still fab part of the period!
regards
Ged
www.gringo40s.com
www.gringo40s.blogspot.com
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More threadomancy here, but interested parties may want to know that Lon Weiss has just announced on the Brigade Games FB page that he is about to release more French figures for the Egyptian campaign, including high command (Bonaparte mounted on a camel and a horse), as well as... a French artillery crew in Kleber uniform (huzzah !) due for release in the next few weeks.
(http://theminiaturespage.com/news/pics/2014/mar/1659460925d.jpg)
(http://theminiaturespage.com/news/pics/2014/mar/1659460925a.jpg)
(http://theminiaturespage.com/news/pics/2014/mar/1659460925c.jpg)
At which point I feel bound to make a nuisance of myself and petition for a second French command pack in Kleber uniforms so as to have more than one drummer and one standard bearer figure for the whole French army :D
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I will collect the Ottomans but only when Lon expands itt, the range is too limiting, and Old Glory and Dixon miniatures are really 25mm
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The best bit about the period is that if you have British in Stovepipe shakos and gaiters, then you are well set to fight the British Invasions of the River Plate. Two rather good books in English on the topic, including a new one that's just come out. Lot's of skirmish potential, including street fighting through Buenos Aires.
If you tire of that, you can always use your sailors and marines to invade Cayenne in modern day French Guiana, alongside the Portuguese (Brazilian) army and navy. Claimed by Brazil's Fuzileiros Navais (Marine Corps) as their baptism of fire. You can even use the more conventionally clad French as their opposition. Exotica is always a good thing in my book, especially when small scale.
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Many of the Ottomans can also be used for The Greek War of Independence
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its a really tempting period............oooh so tempting!! :o
regards
Ged
www.gringo40s.com
www.gringo40s.blogspot.com
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Hang in their all. Releases will be frequent.
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Hang in their all. Releases will be frequent.
Thanks Lon, that will be very nice.
Cheers,
Helen
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Is it just me, I looked on the Brigade Games Napoleonics listing and there is hardly anything there? :?
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Did you click on a nationality at the top of the page?
http://brigadegames.3dcartstores.com/Napoleonics--1789--1815_c_37.html (http://brigadegames.3dcartstores.com/Napoleonics--1789--1815_c_37.html)
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Looking forward to the new releases being added to the BG webstore. Do you have an approximate ETA for the French artillery crews in Kleber uniforms, Lon ?
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For the Ottomans def need the Nizam regiments, also Napoleons Albanian troops
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For the Ottomans def need the Nizam regiments, also Napoleons Albanian troops
I'd say Cairo Janissaries first as they saw more action than the Nizam I Jedid, who were not involved in the majority of the great Egyptian battles. Their contribution was mostly restricted to the Syrian campaign and the defenses of Acre and Gaza. I don't think the Nizam I Jedid fought at Mount Tabor and Aboukir - though I'm not 100% sure about that - but they seem to have played a more significant role in the 1801 campaign and the capture of Rashid.
The Egyptian Nizam I Jedid were mostly developed by Muhammed Ali Pasha after 1801 and would come in handy to drive the British out of Egypt in 1807 rather than fight the French in 1799-1800.
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One minor historical quibble regarding the Kleber uniform grenadiers is that Paul chose to sculpt them all in plumed bicornes rather than casquettes à pouf. I suspect this is because he used the famous Chasseriau drawing below as his main source :
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i414/arthurs-account/88me.jpg)
Hello,
I am sorry to be so forward but I just joined this group to ask a question about this picture, even though I have found reading the threads rather interesting. I would like some help identifying this drawing that you showed. I found this reference when searching the web and it brought me to this forum.
I am doing some research on the 88th Demi-Battalion de Ligne, and I believe this photo concerns this regiment. You gave quite a bit of details about the photo. I have been trying to find any reference at all to this photo on the net but am having no luck at all, even though you stated it was a famous drawing.
Could I ask you for any further information on this drawing, you state the artist is Chasseriau, but do you have a full name, or is there any place I can reference further information on this drawing.
Thank you in advance and my apologies for bothering you concerning something not related to gaming or miniatures, though as I stated above this seems a rather interesting world indeed.
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I´ve discovered this thread now and i love it.
Lots of ideas and information.
Its worth to check Trent miniatures. They have some very specific units/miniatures that might be suitable for this period.
SDS is a very nice set of rules and can easylly be adapted for many periods.
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Hello,
I am sorry to be so forward but I just joined this group to ask a question about this picture, even though I have found reading the threads rather interesting. I would like some help identifying this drawing that you showed. I found this reference when searching the web and it brought me to this forum.
I am doing some research on the 88th Demi-Battalion de Ligne, and I believe this photo concerns this regiment. You gave quite a bit of details about the photo. I have been trying to find any reference at all to this photo on the net but am having no luck at all, even though you stated it was a famous drawing.
Could I ask you for any further information on this drawing, you state the artist is Chasseriau, but do you have a full name, or is there any place I can reference further information on this drawing.
Thank you in advance and my apologies for bothering you concerning something not related to gaming or miniatures, though as I stated above this seems a rather interesting world indeed.
Got your PM's and sent you an answer last night : I think it went through OK, let me know if it didn't.
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Coming next month from BG are an Imam and a water bearer, Cairo Janissaries - yay ! - and some Albanians, all sculpted by Paul Hicks like the rest of the range :
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i414/arthurs-account/DSCF0003_zps1c0af630.jpeg)
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i414/arthurs-account/Janissaries_zpseb992a35.jpeg)
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i414/arthurs-account/Albanians_zpscb91251e.jpeg)
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Yipeee more Albanians to fight my Greeks!
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More of my money wizzing across the Atlantic.
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A little bit of threadomancy here but I have a painting commission to do and was wondering how I should arrange the figures I’ve received. I was thinking of doing 24 figures units as it’s quite a "standard wargaming unit size" for infantry.
Now, according to the Osprey book, Napoleon's Egyptian Campaigns 1798-1801 each Demi-Brigades was organised as following;
Line DBs had 1 Grenadier company, 8 Fusilier companies
Light DBs had 1 Carabinier company, 7 Chasseur companies
What could be the best way to represent that? I’ve receive around 90 fusiliers figures and 90 light Coy. figures plus a few command figures (enough for 3 units) specifically in Egyptian Campaigns dress. I’ve also received some figures in bicorn (revolutionary wars dress) and even a few in bearskin…
Any thought on how I should proceed?
Cheers! 8)
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It depends on which part of the campaign you happen to be doing. French infantry battalions originally had nine companies : eight 'center' companies of line fusiliers or légère chasseurs and one elite company of line grenadiers or légère carabiniers.
Upon his return to Cairo in July 1799 after the Syrian campaign, Bonaparte ordered infantry battalions to be reduced to five companies, four of fusiliers/chasseurs and one of grenadiers/carabiniers. This was due to the attrition caused by casualties and disease and the difficulty in replenishing the ranks after the Armée d'Orient was cut off from France by the British blockade. While it was definitely implemented in the line demi-brigades, it is still debated whether the light demi-brigades adopted the new battalion structure as upon landing in Marseilles on October 1st 1801 the first battalion of the 21st light demi-brigade still had its surviving 301 rank and file organised in nine companies.
Since your figures are apparently wearing the Kleber uniform and leather casquette à pouffe, then the most convenient and historically accurate battalion organisation is 20 figures in five bases of four - 4 fusilier/chasseurs bases and one of grenadiers/carabiniers. This is the unit size I have personally chosen for my French infantry battalions in Kleber uniforms, using the Heliopolis order of battle as a basis. At 1:20, this gives me 400-men infantry units, which is a tad on the high side but still consistent with the effective strength of most French infantry battalions circa March 1800. I also use the five-company structure for my light demi-brigades, though 18-figure battalions in nine bases of two figures would be perfectly manageable as well.
For figures wearing the regulation long-tailed habit and tricorn (a uniform which incidentally was no longer worn after December 1798), the best way to accurately depict a full-strength French infantry battalion at 1:20 is to go for 36-figure units with nine bases of four figures - eight of fusiliers/chasseurs and one of grenadiers/carabiniers. 24 figures is a respectable size but won't allow you to properly represent the battalion's company structure. It will however work well if you're not interested in representing individual companies : in that case, give your 24 figure battalion either two or four grenadiers depending on the visual impact you're looking for. Incidentally, bearskins were not worn in Egypt, bicornes being the standard headgear for all line and light elite companies.
Hopes this helps.
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Been gaming for several years the early battles of General Bonaparte. The campaign in Egypt alongside the first Italian campaign of 1796.
Battle of Gaza 1799, Alexandria 1801, scenario for the battle under the Pyramids.
Post on my blog: Wargamerabbit
https://wargamerabbit.wordpress.com/gaming-warren/
(https://wargamerabbit.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/img_5065.jpg)
M aka WR
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Matchlock Miniatures have released a Rumeli Sekhan in their 28mm frange
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Thanks for the infos, all!
Here's what I come up with so far. Not the best pictures I'm affraid... nor the best figures to work with for that matter, but the end result is quite good... the figures (and painting) do look better in the flesh! lol
9th Demi-Brigade (line Infantry) c. 1799
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/Calimero_34/DSCN0162_zpsb9tij8ls.jpg) (http://s289.photobucket.com/user/Calimero_34/media/DSCN0162_zpsb9tij8ls.jpg.html)
69th Demi-Brigade (line Infantry) c. 1799
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/Calimero_34/DSCN0194_zpsxrmgnw6a.jpg) (http://s289.photobucket.com/user/Calimero_34/media/DSCN0194_zpsxrmgnw6a.jpg.html)
88th Demi-Brigade (line Infantry) c. 1799
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/Calimero_34/DSCN0152_zps2nasnib9.jpg) (http://s289.photobucket.com/user/Calimero_34/media/DSCN0152_zps2nasnib9.jpg.html)
75th Demi-Brigade (line Infantry) c. 1798-99
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/Calimero_34/DSCN0127_zpsgtwci0sq.jpg) (http://s289.photobucket.com/user/Calimero_34/media/DSCN0127_zpsgtwci0sq.jpg.html)
Mounted Officer and casualty figure
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/Calimero_34/DSCN0224_zpsvk6mfc3h.jpg) (http://s289.photobucket.com/user/Calimero_34/media/DSCN0224_zpsvk6mfc3h.jpg.html)
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WOw!
This looks like another Nappy period that would be absolutely facscinating for skirmishes!
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Two more units done;
21st DB Légère(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/Calimero_34/DSCN0147%2021st%20Light_zpsukueusvp.jpg) (http://s289.photobucket.com/user/Calimero_34/media/DSCN0147%2021st%20Light_zpsukueusvp.jpg.html)
25th DB de Ligne(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/Calimero_34/DSCN0157%2025th%20Line_zpszqczebc9.jpg) (http://s289.photobucket.com/user/Calimero_34/media/DSCN0157%2025th%20Line_zpszqczebc9.jpg.html)
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Not the best pictures once again but it should give you an idea of the latest units I’ve painted…
The 61st DB de Ligne
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/Calimero_34/DSCN0020_zpsx0snwzdw.jpg) (http://s289.photobucket.com/user/Calimero_34/media/DSCN0020_zpsx0snwzdw.jpg.html)
The 22nd DB Légère
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/Calimero_34/DSCN0029_zpseezhqvcp.jpg) (http://s289.photobucket.com/user/Calimero_34/media/DSCN0029_zpseezhqvcp.jpg.html)
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Oh dear, after that spiffing game at Colours I've just placed an order with Lon...
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Here are some of my 9th demi brigade troops for egypt. At the moment I am trying to prepare a smal game for next year.
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Here are some of my 9th demi brigade troops for egypt. At the moment I am trying to prepare a smal game for next year.
Well thats a lovely shot, do you have a blog?
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Lovely!
Who did the building, and what make are the figures?
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Lovely work! 8)
The figures are from Brigade Games... I just wish they will do more Flank Coy figures in Casquette à Pouf :?
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Yes, the miniatures are Brigade games, the colour ist Gmb. The buildings are scratch build by a friend in canada
I hope I can do some more pictures the next month. And there are roumors out there, that Alan Perry will do not only Brits for egypt :)
So there should be more variety in miniatures soon.
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Here one more picture :)
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Outstanding, the perry's greens helped in my decision to start this project.
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Outstanding, the perry's greens helped in my decision to start this project.
Yes, that's what got me thinking about this again!
I am Canadian. Who is your talented friend? I probably know him lol
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Hi, Grant.
Yes probably. It is Chris Riordan. We are friends by mail. And we chair some ideas about beautifull terrain. ;)
In my eyes he is one of the best terrain (buildings) builders on this planet.
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And there are roumors out there, that Alan Perry will do not only Brits for egypt :)
Not a rumour, actually : Alan Perry explicitly said on the Perry Facebook page that he would do French troops for the Egyptian campaign, so you can take that as pretty official.
No release date has been mentioned so far, as these may well be in the planning stage at the moment : I suspect Alan will want to finish his 1801 Brits before embarking on the French but that's just speculation on my part.
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J'attend les savants!
If they do the whole of the Egyptian campaign, I'm doomed. :)
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Our cups runneth over. :)
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J'attend les savants!
Paul Hicks has done a very nice pack of French savants for Brigade Games :
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-IHRPW3ABZ5o/Ur5LNle18kI/AAAAAAAAFm0/1w-aZixEn54/s1600/GOA-FrenchInfantry4.jpg)
(not my painting, by the way)
http://brigadegames.3dcartstores.com/French-Scientists-Savants-All-4-variants_p_3077.html (http://brigadegames.3dcartstores.com/French-Scientists-Savants-All-4-variants_p_3077.html)
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My set is winging its way over the Atlantic as we speak...er text...er whatever we are doing.
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as we speak...er text...er whatever we are doing.
Some things are better kept untold...