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Miniatures Adventure => Medieval Adventures => Topic started by: Gibby on February 09, 2012, 09:45:31 PM
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Hi all,
I'm a bit bored of the Ganesha Games formula. It always feels like a re-skin of the same game regardless of what era/models you use (and this includes the variants such as Flying Lead and Drums & Shakos). I was wondering if anyone had any recommendations for exciting rules that I could use for a bit of War of the Roses skirmishing?
Cheers,
Gibby
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I'm quite fond of the Lord of the Rings sbg. Its got everything you'd want for medieval skirmishing :D.
If you want to stat your own stuff there's a useful points calculator here:
http://membres.multimania.fr/l01c/lotrcostcalc.html (http://membres.multimania.fr/l01c/lotrcostcalc.html)
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I use a very old set called "Retinue" - I'm not sure if they are still available.
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I would say "Argad!"...
...if the supplement for the 15th century period was already rewritten and translated but I still haven't finished that ! :-[
http://www.argad-bzh.fr/argad/en.html
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Last month we tried a variation of "In the Heart of Africa". It may sound odd but it worked great!
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I'm quite fond of the Lord of the Rings sbg. Its got everything you'd want for medieval skirmishing :D.
If you want to stat your own stuff there's a useful points calculator here:
http://membres.multimania.fr/l01c/lotrcostcalc.html (http://membres.multimania.fr/l01c/lotrcostcalc.html)
Seconded - LotR really catches the feel of mighty six-foot killing machines like Edward IV dominating the swirling melee and the glave rules work well for bills.
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Agreed "Retinue" was great and had an elegant percentage system. Any colour and atmosphere was however up to the creativity of the players.
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I use a very old set called "Retinue" - I'm not sure if they are still available.
Another vote for Retinue. I have very fond memories of that game from the mid-1980's
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Now I know that this is a Historical gaming site. But I have to agree with Janner. I find LOTR very easy to adapt to almost any period. I've done it.
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Pig Wars?
TFL are working on a new game, but the rules are in early development.
Hmm -- maybe these are too Dark Ages.
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Affray were quite a good a set of Medieval skirmish rules from way back and remember they played very well, think they may have been published in Wargames Illustrated in the mists of time and they were online at one time :)
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Thanks for all these ideas guys :) I'm leaning towards converting the Lord of the Rings rules.
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You could try Chain reaction Swordplay from Two Hour Wargames. It's skirmish oriented and free.
http://store.twohourwargames.com/chre3sw.html (http://store.twohourwargames.com/chre3sw.html)
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Hi all,
I'm a bit bored of the Ganesha Games formula. It always feels like a re-skin of the same game regardless of what era/models you use (and this includes the variants such as Flying Lead and Drums & Shakos). I was wondering if anyone had any recommendations for exciting rules that I could use for a bit of War of the Roses skirmishing?
Cheers,
Gibby
You can check out my rules as noted in this thread http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=38423.0
They work very well for Medievals. You will like the granularity.
Thanks,
Faust
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Big fan of LotR rules - the LotR Yahoo group has a number of mods for the base game, including "Age of the Trebuchet" for medieval games.
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I'm quite fond of the Lord of the Rings sbg. Its got everything you'd want for medieval skirmishing :D.
If you want to stat your own stuff there's a useful points calculator here:
http://membres.multimania.fr/l01c/lotrcostcalc.html (http://membres.multimania.fr/l01c/lotrcostcalc.html)
Thanks for that link, its just what I needed to point up my Robin Hood project. ;D
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Just found my Simon McDowall "Goths, Huns & Romans" - now for a read while SWMBO is out tonight. :P
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CR Swordplay final version has just been released. Here you can see a step by step demo of how it works: http://2hourblog.blogspot.com/2012/02/john-carter-step-by-step-swordplay.html (http://2hourblog.blogspot.com/2012/02/john-carter-step-by-step-swordplay.html)
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I am still kind of partial to "Pig Wars". Dark Ages but not much difference for skirmish level gaming.
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Steve Barbour rules arent too bad for small skirmish
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I was looking for medieval rules too, and due to this topic, I've found it! Thanks!
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I'd say Chainmail (the original set, not the "re-imagined" one), or Rules According to Ral.
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Ah! Retinue...fond memories. I doubt I'd have the concentration span for them these days.
I do remember that shooting with a bow at long range, it was easier to hit your intended target if you actually aimed at the figure NEXT to him.
More recent rules found on the Internet are:
Chevaucee [spelling?]
Knights and Knaves
Baron Wars
I always like Bill Lamming's Medieval Rules, an old set. Perhaps soon to be reprinted by JohnCurry?
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I've tried many rule sets and i find LOTR the best, less calculation and stats to add to this dice roll and that. In a nutshell, more streamline (for me of course :)).
You could try a SAGA variation, but i've never played this game so i don't know how it'll turn out.
Max
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We have been playing some 15th c skirmish lately using LOTR. It is a great rule set for that purpose. One thing that we do is using the rules for handweapon and shield for our guys with halberds/bills. As a majority of LOTR models comes with a sword and shield combo and we didn't want to many sword/buckler guys in our 15th c - but alot of polearms instead - this modifaction gave us the look we were after in a very simple way, without upseting the balance of the game.
If you like you can see some examples of game play here http://northern-wargaming.blogspot.se/search/label/Lord%20of%20the%20Rings (http://northern-wargaming.blogspot.se/search/label/Lord%20of%20the%20Rings).
/Mattias
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Thanx, Matthias for the AAR-Link. Some great games, very imaginative.
My vote would go for LotR and SAGA. But I am a big fan of the "Songs..."-engine, too. Never tiered of these rules... :D
DV
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We have been playing some 15th c skirmish lately using LOTR. It is a great rule set for that purpose. One thing that we do is using the rules for handweapon and shield for our guys with halberds/bills. As a majority of LOTR models comes with a sword and shield combo and we didn't want to many sword/buckler guys in our 15th c - but alot of polearms instead - this modifaction gave us the look we were after in a very simple way, without upseting the balance of the game.
If you like you can see some examples of game play here http://northern-wargaming.blogspot.se/search/label/Lord%20of%20the%20Rings (http://northern-wargaming.blogspot.se/search/label/Lord%20of%20the%20Rings).
/Mattias
Mattias, first off, like the blog (following even :)). Just a quick thought, you could use pole arms as just spears. For me, weapons became more developped as armour became tougher, so i don't really use them as double handed weapons (no point wearing lots of plates to be killed on a 5+...).
have you ever seen the yahoo group for LOTR? There is a PDF file Age of Trebuchet with stats that provide a good starting point for gaming in this period.
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is the LOTR yahoo group still active? I sent the a message requesting membership 4 days ago and no responce as of yet.
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is the LOTR yahoo group still active? I sent the a message requesting membership 4 days ago and no responce as of yet.
I had the same thing! I sent the membership request about a week ago, and still no reply. :(
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Boo group fail! ;D
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Same here. I applied to join the Yahoo group several weeks ago and David Imrie has been waiting since January for approval!
I'm keen to try the medieval variant. If anyone has a PDF of Age of Trebuchet they could let me have please drop me a PM.
Pat
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Add me to the PM also, just because there Moderator dropped the ball is not resin why the rest of us can't enjoy it :D
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Try here:
http://laarmada.info/index.php?topic=15831.0
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Many thanks
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Thanks for the link.
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I recently made a few wars of the roses profiles for medieval skirmishes, based on the LOTR rules. I think it works really well.
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=42520.0
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I wrote "Age of the Trebuchet". If anybody has any comments or needs a copy you can contact me by PM.
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I wrote "Age of the Trebuchet". If anybody has any comments or needs a copy you can contact me by PM.
Ive used them and they work very well :)
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Thanks for the link Pentaro, and thanks for the rules Mick
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Thanks very much for the link! I am trying to get my gaming group to play Game of Thrones games using LotR rules, and these will be a great help!
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I am trying to get my gaming group to play Game of Thrones games using LotR rules
A guy I know is doing the same:
http://laarmada.info/index.php?topic=18636.msg246102#msg246102
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Actually, I wrote a 1-page summary of Mick's rules (basically a big table of values) along with a couple of extension bits -- if Mick's OK with me distributing them, I can make a PDF available for downloading.
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@Katie
I will be very happy if people use and develop the rules - the more the better. I made them so that I could play historical battles with my kids.
Mick
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Oh super! Cheers! In that case, I've made it available at:
http://www.fysh.org/~katie/wargames/downloadables/lotme.pdf
Opinions welcome. Well, niceish ones anyway.
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Are all the rules on the summary sheet real, or did you invent some? I've been out of the LOTR circle for some time and when i came back i saw things like warbands and the like.
If you happen to know about the new rules/organisation, please say.
Excellent sheet BTW, wraps up the weapon rules nicely.
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Pig Wars?
TFL are working on a new game, but the rules are in early development.
Hmm -- maybe these are too Dark Ages.
Richard Clarke of Too Fat Lardies wrote a set of skirmish rules for a Medieval setting called 'Bashing the Bishop' that were published in Wargames Illustrated some years ago.
They can be found here -
http://www.flamesofwar.com/Portals/0/Documents/WargamesIllustrated/Bashing-The-Bishop.pdf
Cheers,
Barry
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I love their design philosophy but their game names are a bit juvenile.
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"Are all the rules on the summary sheet real, or did you invent some?"
I think the only ones I added are shields being able to work like parrying (to give them something else to do) and the hooked attack, although that may have been nicked/inspired from somewhere. (Legends of the high seas maybe?)
I've put refs to the full version of the rules in RotK (which is the latest LotR rulebook I've got).
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Ok, cheers