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Miniatures Adventure => The Conflicts that came in from the Cold => Topic started by: 6milPhil on April 19, 2012, 02:50:36 PM
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I'm picking up some of the lovely LAM Ferman marines at Salute, and was wondering if someone in the know might share what basic vehicles they're using at the moment, like the equiv. of Landy Snatch, WMIK, Hummer, etc. Bear in mind I'm looking for models of them so if you know a maker as well that would be handy.
Also has anyone any references for their camos? Looking to field them in a middleeast setting so imagine they have a "desert" one.
Thanks in anticipation.
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the camouflage is called Wüsten (desert) Flecktarn.
(https://tolkostoffe.de/images/product_images/popup_images/595_0.jpg)
(http://www.ksta.de/ks/images/mdsBild/1238746114559l.jpg)
It's basically just tan with dark green/olive and light brown spots on it. It can easily be achieved by using an old bristly brush, going over a paper towel till next to no paint is on it like drybrushing, and then applying the spot colors over the base layer in a stippling motion. Works for all similar camos like digital MARPAT etc. too.
Here is a german article for painting basic woodland Flecktarn:
http://www.dhc-wargames.de/bastelecke/flecktarn.html
As for vehicles, there has been a lot of new kit introduced in the last years after experiences in Afghanistan.
Basically, Panzergrenadiers still ride around in Marders, the new Puma still being in production for the most part.
Main Battle Tank is the Leopard 2 obviously, newest version is A6.
Other troops use all kinds of different vehicles for transport, such as Dingo and Mungo... Can't remember all those animal names.
You will probably find manufacturers of 28mm version of Leopards and Marders, but the newer stuff will be hard to find outside of 20mm and similar model kits.
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Thanks for rapid and informative post. I'm printing out those pics as I type. I like the camo, looks fun to paint and not as hard as the old pea dot. I'm only having a small force so really after just a jeep and an IFV. Have to give the enemy a chance, eh?
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Other troops use all kinds of different vehicles for transport, such ... Mungo...
Mungo Jerry?
"Have a drink, have a drive
Go out and see what you can find ..."
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Err--- Whatever ???
The basic Jeep of the Bundeswehr is the Wolf, a Mercedes G-Wagen modified for military use. It isn't used much outside of bases in Afghanistan though because of the light armor, having been replaced almost completely with the heavily armored Dingo that is closer to a Humvee on steroids.
So I'd say a Wolf and a Marder 1A3 :)
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I think I may have to modify a diecast for the wolf, and thus far the Marder is ellusive. I'll have a good look for both at Salute this Saturday. Thanks again.
Does that mungo come in a gunned up version? It doesn't seem to have any mounted weapons...
For anyone else interested or finding this thread in the future here's a few vids of some of the vehicles...
Wolf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ6Tise_ZcI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ6Tise_ZcI)
Mungo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSwCSUCz_xk& (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSwCSUCz_xk&)
Dingo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxO1cho97jY& (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxO1cho97jY&)
Boxer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBDKBgZf5YA& (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBDKBgZf5YA&)
Marder
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duWGxvwVFuY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duWGxvwVFuY)
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I gave up looking for vehicles for 28mm as there just doesn't seem to be any on the market. Shame as there's some nice stuff in other scales (got a bunch of 1/72 vehicles unbuilt) but I guess everyone wants hummers and wotnot. If you find anything in 28mm I'd be keen to know too. ;)
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Ah yes, forgot about the Boxer. It is supposed to be the next vehicle for the mechanized Infantry, replacing the old Fuchs APC.
The Mungo fills a similar role but seems to be designed for more specialized tasks where speed is more important than armor. It's more of a truck without any weapons mounted.
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Don't company B have a G-wagen? or did I imagine it.
*non-edit edit*
appears not http://homepage.mac.com/brentdietrich/companyB_models_moderns.html (http://homepage.mac.com/brentdietrich/companyB_models_moderns.html)
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Here is a german article for painting basic woodland Flecktarn:
http://www.dhc-wargames.de/bastelecke/flecktarn.html
what a Mess :?
(http://www.dhc-wargames.de/typo3temp/pics/526b2d08b8.jpg)
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Well to be fair, at 3 feet distance it will look pretty much exactly like real flecktarn at this scale would look ;)
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Our G wagon is enroute. Model kits are cast, I'm waiting for delivery. That would be for the standard G-wagon with hard top, and the armored military variant used by German and US special forces.
We also "will" be doing some other modern German vehicles as well. The first of which is the german Wiesel and variants, which was requested by a client. I'll have preview prints of that in a few weeks.
After that, I'm open to suggestions!
Brent
Company B
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I gave up looking for vehicles for 28mm as there just doesn't seem to be any on the market. Shame as there's some nice stuff in other scales (got a bunch of 1/72 vehicles unbuilt) but I guess everyone wants hummers and wotnot. If you find anything in 28mm I'd be keen to know too. ;)
You can allways go down the 1/48 lane, thats what I do now.
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Way more stuff in 20mm than 28mm or 1/48th or even 15mm. I personally do not know of anywhere where you can get 1/48th/28mm vehicles for the German army. French, British and Russian certainly, but not German.
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So I'd say a Wolf and a Marder 1A3 :)
Got to play smart ass here. The Bundeswehr uses Marder 1A5 in Afghanistan ... you don't see that many differences to the 1A3 or even 1A4 though. Most of the stuff was done on the inside and mine protection was improved. You do see a difference when it comes to the "Kettenschürze", the armour that protects the wheels and the track. It used to be "light weighed" steel inforced rubber and has become something else. Can't be bothered to look it up. In addition to that there are some boxes fitted to the Marder and the hatches of the "hintere Kampfraum" (rear combat compartment - basically where the Heckklappenviecher stick their heads out) have been redesigned.
I say for gaming purposes the 1A3 would be sufficient, though.
von der Tann
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tl;dr:
Somehow I remembered the A3 being the most recent version but to be honest I didn't check it when I wrote it so you're more than welcome to correct me :)
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Well ... I don't want to be an idiot. :)
Sorry if I sounded too smart ass. Since you can't buy a 1/48 or 1/56 Marder 1A3 or 1A4 or 1A5 anyway, I think the whole discussion is rethorical anyway. :D
Only thing I can say in my defence is, that I sat on a 1A3 long enough to notice the difference and be a jerk about it. Again, sorry if I offended.
von der Tann
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No offense taken dude!
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Our G wagon is enroute. Model kits are cast, I'm waiting for delivery. That would be for the standard G-wagon with hard top, and the armored military variant used by German and US special forces.
Good news indeed.
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the G wagon is stocked. finalizing the buy buttons today, but it's $26.50.
I have masters of the standard Mercedes Wolf (just different metal bits for the G wagon), and the Weisel both 20mm and TOW versions as well. Those will be out in June/July
(http://homepage.mac.com/brentdietrich/weisel.jpg)
Looking into another German vehicle to do next.
Brent
Company B
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Brent... link us baby link us! 8)
To tide us over heres a vid of the Marder IFV including clips of Afghanistan... soundtrack is rather poor though
http://youtu.be/0s6Gehf4fMY
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G Wagon LIV available now:
http://homepage.mac.com/brentdietrich/companyB_models_moderns.html (http://homepage.mac.com/brentdietrich/companyB_models_moderns.html)
I'll have enough stock of the civilian version (which can be converted) by next week.
Without really planning to we will actually end up with IFV and Support vehicles for several countries by the end of summer. I probably should do the marder IA just to keep the the theme going since we do need to have a German IFV to even the lines out. The Mercedes will be officially released tonight. Maybe the Marder 1A will be next, but I do like that Boxer. I may just 3D print several options and see what resonates.
United States
Stryker
Stryker MGS
M1114
IFV(CO)
Wolf
Russia/China/Other
BTR-50
BTR-152
BTR-40
GAZ Vodnik and variants
Australia/UK
Bushmaster
Wolf
Germany
Wolf
IFAV (CO)
Weisel TOW
Weisel 20mm
Marder IA?
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Adjusted to taste :D
United States
Stryker
Stryker MGS
M1114
IFV(CO)
Wolf
LVTP 7 / AAV7V
M59 APC
M41- Walker Bulldog
Russia/China/Other
BTR-50
BTR-152
BTR-40
GAZ Vodnik and variants
BTR-50
Gaz-69 Jeep
OT-62 Topaz
OT-64 SKOT
ZBD2000
Type 62 Light Tank
Type 63 Light tank
Australia/UK
Bushmaster
Wolf
Humber Hornet
Landrover Defender
SWB Landrover
Germany
Wolf
IFAV (CO)
Weisel TOW
Weisel 20mm
Marder IA?
Unimog 401
Brazil
EE-9 Cascavel
EE-11 Urutu
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I would vote for the Boxer. It is one of those cool looking near future vehicles that will fit not only into today’s conflicts but also into something like “Alien vs Predator”. And if you made it as modular as the real world vehicle you have several vehicles on one basis…
(I have to admit that I am a bit of a fan of the Boxer since I had the opportunity to crawl into one during an open day of the German Defence Ministry...) 8)
Oh and BTW: There is no Weisel, it is Wiesel (= weasel)… ::) ;) ;)
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I like the Boxer as well. But, this one is a must: Unimog 401
I have a couple in 1/43. Very useful I think, and small enough to be relatively cheap to produce.
Ok, So anyone have blueprints of the Marder 1A and Boxer?
And suddenly, again without actually trying, Company B will end up specializing in Modern German kit. I need to stop reading this forum :D
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What about a CV90? :D
Good base for both apc's and ifv's for both modern/near future and sci fi.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_Vehicle_90 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_Vehicle_90)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9SxsvSxRc4&feature=related
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Woohoo! Score! Saves me making one myself from plasticard.
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Thanks for the link, it's a beauty - is it available in the UK... CP I think does you stuff maybe?
I've got a mix of LAM & Eureka Germans on the workbench at the moment. The modern camo is fun. ;)
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WCP carries our kits in the UK and you can probably ping him to get a few on his next restock. We do have a good number of new releases both Modern and WW2, with more coming in a few weeks, so I imagine that these will make their way to WCP in June.
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Good news indeed. Thanks. I've just emailed Bob to get one and that rather special bearcat.
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There are a few vehicles around for 28mm German troops:
http://dhcwargamesblog.wordpress.com/category/modern/modern-german/ (http://dhcwargamesblog.wordpress.com/category/modern/modern-german/)
And things will get better with the upcoming Company B Wolf and the Wiesel.
BTW... regarding the painting tutorial at the beginning of the topic... it is from our old homepage. You can switch the language to English if you want by just clicking on the small Union flag.
Cheers,
Burkhard
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Aye that flecktarn tutorial is brilliant... http://www.dhc-wargames.de/bastelecke/flecktarn.html (http://www.dhc-wargames.de/bastelecke/flecktarn.html) linked it again for the lazy.
My Germans will be in Wüsten, and it's great fun, hope to get some more done on them this weekend.
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Got the troops finished... well kind of:
(http://6milphil.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/dsc02910-001.jpg)
A soory tale: http://6milphil.wordpress.com/2012/06/11/merkels-marauders/ (http://6milphil.wordpress.com/2012/06/11/merkels-marauders/)
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Top job Phil! Glad the tutorial worked for you!
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I hope to get some decent photos at some point. :?