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Miniatures Adventure => Future Wars => Topic started by: YPU on April 26, 2012, 07:32:08 PM
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I thought I spotted a topic on this game but apparently not.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-tUt9qQ43pKk/T5WC1N5RJOI/AAAAAAAAH04/OaIZYBATQ_Q/s1600/Dropzone%2BCommander.png)
This apparently is a new 10mm mass combat sci-fi game with a huge focus on dropships and some rather nice miniatures, tough it does appear to have very much its own style to the factions.
good coverage by BoW: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNO_UIb3gdw&feature=g-u-u (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNO_UIb3gdw&feature=g-u-u)
Miniature review also has some pictures up: http://miniaturereview.blogspot.com/ (http://miniaturereview.blogspot.com/)
Any toughts or other sources on it? Any opinions formed yet?
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yeah saw that on Brückenkopf Online,looks very interesting.i like the Matrix Machines the most :-* ;D
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Saw those at Salute. Magnificent minis, but I'm so not going to start 10mm.
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+1 (not to seeing them at Salute tho)
Here's a couple more pix:
http://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/?p=57693
I wouldn't mind getting some of that aesthetic in 28mm. Some of the DzC minis might work as drones or robots an sich but that's not quite the same thing.
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I saw them at Salute, too, lovely models!
:-*
One of my mates who I was with has fallen in love with the stuff.
He is going to try and badger the rest of us into doing this methinks.....like I really need another new 'thing'!
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There's an interview with the guy running this new venture on the Meeples and Miniatures Podcast (Salute interviews part 2).
Quite interesting if you're interested in this kinda stuff.
Apparently their website won't be up and running until June, so you will search in vain for further info right now...
http://www.meeplesandminiatures.co.uk/
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More piccies:
http://www.beastsofwar.com/sci-fi-wargaming/hawk-wargames-drop-battlefield-intel-upcoming-models/
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Wonder why they decided to head off into 10mm SF instead of joining the 15mm crowd?
Sure, they have the 10mm arena all to themselves... but they also have the 10mm arena all to themselves...
Some neat looking models, I especially like some of the post-human faction's designs.
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It's always the question if you want to eat from a bigger cake with somebody else or from a smaller cake all by yourself, I suppose :)
Maybe they just decided that going half again larger would've made the minis they wanted to do prohibitively big. Some their minis are quite sizeable as it is.
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I am also quite interested in the buildings, you can see a few in the picture. I believe I heard/read somewhere they are modular empty shells so populating a board with them might be a viable option. I must say the idea of those walkers stalking the streets between those buildings does look good in my head.
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Funnily, the buildings are to me the least interesting bitz shown by far - but to itch his own, as they say 8)
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Interview with the mysterious "Dave" of Hawk WarGames on DzC:
http://politicaldice.6sided.net/2012/04/27/dropships-inbound-an-interview-with-hawk-wargames/
The page is a right pain to read but informative.
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Funnily, the buildings are to me the least interesting bitz shown by far - but to itch his own, as they say 8)
ha, that's something I can live with. lol I must say that interview does clear a few things up, especially on the whole 10mm thing. I must say the guy appears to have spend a lot of time thinking about it. Really this whole project is as he says a labour or love, lets hope it actually becomes a hit and doesn't crash and burn.
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With miniatures that good, it will do well for at least a while.
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You're right. Those are gorgeous.
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Yeah, I'm a little excited for this.
Ok, a lot excited. I squealed like a little girl when I first saw the pics surface.
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Infantry time.
Baselines: http://ttfix.blogspot.com/2012/05/hawk-wargames-dropzone-commander.html
Posthumans: http://www.beastsofwar.com/sci-fi-wargaming/hawk-wargames-preview-posthuman-immortals/
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The Immortals are lovely, not as big a fan of the Colonial Legionaires though.
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WOW! But why 10mm??? Why not 15, it would be AMAZING! =(
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"Dave" explains the scale in an almost-excruciating detail in the interview I posted a link to:
http://politicaldice.6sided.net/2012/04/27/dropships-inbound-an-interview-with-hawk-wargames/
Now comes with much imporved readability, I might add.
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Wow. Truly beautiful models. I hope they hurry up and release this. July, you say? "Dave" can have my stupid money, all of it. Apparently, he used to be a studio sculptor at Spartan Games.
I've been itching to play something on a smaller scale, and was eyeing off Heavy Gear Blitz, but this looks really sweet. The buildings look really interesting too. Looking forward to a peek at the ruleset.
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Wow. Truly beautiful models. I hope they hurry up and release this. July, you say? "Dave" can have my stupid money, all of it. Apparently, he used to be a studio sculptor at Spartan Games.
I've been itching to play something on a smaller scale, and was eyeing off Heavy Gear Blitz, but this looks really sweet. The buildings look really interesting too. Looking forward to a peek at the ruleset.
The beauty of the Dropzone stuff is that there seems to be quite a variety of styles so there would be no reason why you couldn't throw a mercenary section of gears into the mix.
All this talk of "this should be 15mm" is a little bit self-important if you ask me. I collect 28mm but I understand that there are those who prefer smaller scales. I can see the guys at Hawk being badgered into printing a load of stuff off in 15mm only to realise that they have to compete in a flooded market place. I quite like the idea of 10mm because it has a lot of the bonuses of 6mm without needing an electron microscope for painting. Just because 15mm seems to be en-vogue at the moment doesn't mean that everything should be in 15mm...there is stuff in the Hawk catalogue that I would love to see in 28mm but I wouldn't say that they were making a terrible mistake by not putting stuff out in 28mm.
Vive la difference! I really hope the game lives up to their fantastic miniatures. You never know... the quality of the Hawk stuff might cause a huge flood of 10mm sci-fi products from different manufacturers into the market and they may end up the en-vogue scale. Alternatively, they may form a niche market of their own (especially in the US where Heavy Gear seems to do quite well) and be able to branch out in different scales. It is early days yet and they obviously have a set plan so I for one will sit back and see what happens in July before I start having too many opinions on wherther of not they chose right.
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I'd definitely buy some if they had been in 6mm (or even 15mm for that matter).
I don't have enough space or money for a whole new scale though...
That said, the models look fantastic.
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The portuguese sculptor Navarro went to Salute and took some photos of the Hawk Wargames display. The photos aren't that great, but you can see lots units and buildings:
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f59/NAVARROpt/salute2012/DSC03222.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f59/NAVARROpt/salute2012/DSC03211.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f59/NAVARROpt/salute2012/DSC03221.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f59/NAVARROpt/salute2012/DSC03217.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f59/NAVARROpt/salute2012/DSC03210.jpg)
You can find his report here:
http://mr-bugman.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/salute-2012-coverage-part-1-dropzone.html
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Well that looks pretty amazing.
Will be interesting to see how this plays out.
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The miniatures are definately beautiful! Am I the only who's getting a bit of a Supreme Commander vibe from seeing the designs and reading about the game?
I certainly hope that the game itself will be interesting!
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I like the flyer and may mix it with my "Heavy Gear" and "Battletech N-Scale"* models. So it seems a nice scale for Mech games. :-*
*Mainly the former Mechwarrior Clickmechs and a lot of fan made versions!
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I think it is a smart move on there part for scaling it to 10mm. Seeing as how the sci-fi market is saturated with 15mm models and now games, there is only one 10mm game thay can compeat with that I can think of (and that is Heavy Gear).
The models themselves are lovely, and has veriaty to each faction. I could get into this 9if I can convince others of course ::) ).
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Think 10mm was a good choice - allows for detail whilst giving the option of 'large' forces. If the idea is that all/most forces are transportable (hence Dropzone), the cost in 15mm would be prohibative. It also fills a slot in the gaming Sci-Fi world, as i don't know of any game that concentrates on 'mobile' forces above the standard 'Tin Can Battle Taxi/AIFV' level.
The building's will be most useful - Battletech, Heavy Gear and various other options over and above DzC spring to mind.
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Yet more previews:
http://www.beastsofwar.com/sci-fi-wargaming/flyer-strafe-ground-troops-dropzone-commander/
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I like his reasons for going with 10mm and fully agree with them. Love the fact that a drop shit can physically hold the models the rules allow it to transport. Scales actually correct and consistent in a wargame? Excellent!
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The previews keep coming - this time it's some "heavy fighters":
http://www.beastsofwar.com/sci-fi-wargaming/hawk-wargames-preview-dropzone-flyers/
Both are easily big enough to be drone craft in 28mm scale and I should think they work well in 15mm as well.
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I'm really liking the look of the human ranges in particular.
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Today's (ok yesterday's really) preview features some traditional tanks as well as more exotic stuff:
http://www.beastsofwar.com/sci-fi-wargaming/dropzone-commander-introduces-heavy-hitting-land-forces/
The Minder drones look rather ubiquitous but their tail "fork" is a little oversized IMCO - needs a bit of work if I ever take them on 8)
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Today's (ok yesterday's really) preview features some traditional tanks as well as more exotic stuff:
http://www.beastsofwar.com/sci-fi-wargaming/dropzone-commander-introduces-heavy-hitting-land-forces/
The Minder drones look rather ubiquitous but their tail "fork" is a little oversized IMCO - needs a bit of work if I ever take them on 8)
I agree the fork on those drones is perhaps the first thing that I feel looks bad, some things I am neutral about but that's the first bad one.
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Today's preview:
http://www.beastsofwar.com/sci-fi-wargaming/hawk-wargames-warm-mechs-dropzone-commander/
The mechs are again certainly large enough to fit in with 15mm (and in fact could even work as robots in 28mm) so I would think HWg does know what it's doing, scalewise 8)
ETA - more mechatype stuff:
http://www.beastsofwar.com/hawk-wargames/dropzone-commander/dropzone-commander-goodies-hawk-wargames/
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I like his reasons for going with 10mm and fully agree with them. Love the fact that a drop shit can physically hold the models the rules allow it to transport. Scales actually correct and consistent in a wargame? Excellent!
I'd hate to see that land on my battlefield! :o
Anyway the dropSHIP's I've seen so far are lovely, nice display at salute too.
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The newest sneak peak Scourge thingies would make nice little scuttling droids for 28mm:
http://www.beastsofwar.com/hawk-wargames/dropzone-commander/land-forces-dropzone-commander/
So cute!!!1!1!
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I will pick up whatever I like that looks good in 15mm, but I'm just not interested in jumping to another new scale. I wish them luck though.
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Saw it at Salute - it looked very interesting.
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Would have to see them in the flesh but some of the models might be nice additions for Firestorm Armade if the size is right.
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I know numbers don't necessarily tell the whole truth but HWG is exceptionally good at revealing the most relevant measurements of their minis. Given that much of the industry is following the maxim "mum's the word" when it comes to divulging size information, it is downright refreshing :P
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The good news is that there's a new preview:
http://www.beastsofwar.com/hawk-wargames/dropzone-commander/flying-striding-world-dropzone-commander/
The bad news is that the website launch has apparently been moved forward to June 8 and the full launch (of the game I assume) to June 23 :?
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I'd definitely buy some if they had been in 6mm (or even 15mm for that matter).
I don't have enough space or money for a whole new scale though...
That said, the models look fantastic.
For SF. we have a few 6mm, but mostly 15mm & 28mm.
Some of these should look great for use as large alien types for 6mm, or smaller alien types for 15mm. In 15mm the humans just become dwarfs. Mantic already do space dwarfs for 28mm. Some of these vehicles do look rather splendid though, and could be droids in any scale....
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The bad news is that the website launch has apparently been moved forward to June 8 and the full launch (of the game I assume) to June 23 :?
Well that gives me time to save more cash! I would have liked to see this game in 15mm but 10mm is just fine.
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Another day, another preview:
http://www.beastsofwar.com/hawk-wargames/dropzone-commander/alien-dropships-dropzone-commander/
Light dropships class vehicles look to be roughly the least ubiquitous of the entire line although I can't find too much fault with these as miniatures per se.
ETA - meanwhile, the Posthuman Command Mech is almost the exact opposite as it would work quite well enough at least up to 28mm scale:
http://www.beastsofwar.com/dropzone-commander/hawk-wargames-bring-commanders-dropzone/
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Site's up:
http://www.hawkwargames.com
Expensive! Christ! Vehicles the size of a penny, two/three for £10.50!
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Site's up:
http://www.hawkwargames.com
Expensive! Christ! Vehicles the size of a penny, two/three for £10.50!
About GW prices then.
I must say that is a very well designed website for a starting company.
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When I first saw the models I thought they were mindblowing!!
When I entered the site this morning I thought "This fella is really putting a lot of work in this!"
When I caught a glimpse on the prices I was... :o :o :o :o :o
Not for my purse. A pitty.
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Yea I agree, the models look great but the price is to high for me and I would like some info about the actual rules before buying into a game.
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Am I a sucker? Maybe so. I couldn't resist and pre-ordered a Shaltari starter pack + a few extra bits. I know a few others around here who have already decided to get into this game, rules as yet unseen, so at least I'll have someone to play with (or to commiserate my foolish purchases with) and it just looks so PRETTY!
So I guess this is my new game investment for 2012. I suspect it'll be a good one; although sparse, the unit info and FAQ section on the site indicate that they've thought pretty hard about unit interactions (air vs armour vs infantry) etc.
But honestly, even if the system is colossally crappy, I'll still be super jazzed about pushing these little spiky alien guys around the table and making 'pew-pew' noises.
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Expensive! Christ!
Seems to be the way a number of companies are moving in the last few years.
Smaller miniatures (for 28mm read thinner and lighter) with ultra detail and a price tag to match.
It's one way to do business, I guess.
In the case of "smaller" scale figures, Spartan seems to have done quite well the strategy.
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Granted the figures are very detailed for the scale but when you compare the prices I think this is another set of minis that I'll have to pass on. £12 for 30 x 10mm Infantry when compared with the likes of Pendraken at 30 x 10mm SciFi for £4.80.
As said above that doesn't factor in the price of vehicles.
Shame really but then I should have guessed that given the flashy models this wasn't going to be in the 'affordable wargaming' bracket I find myself going for nowadays. That, and I'd prob never find someone else willing to fork out for an opposing force :D
Guess I'll be sticking with my trusty 15mm SciFi for now at least.
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I thought that the walkers were actually a good price - comparing quality and size to other examples. They are exquisite.
There's no way that these puppies were going to be a budget option was there? :D
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Don't punish yourself too much tomogui. We tend to say quite often this is expensive, this is cheap, this is ridiculously expensive, this is given away free!! But in reality in our hobby things just have a price, and you can afford it or not, or you want to pay for it or not. I mean, many people would say Mantic is cheap, well, for me is the most expensive piece of crap. No offense. I'm exagerating. But what I mean is that sometimes the value of the figures is not just how much lead (or resin/plastic) I get per every euro spent but, does it worth every euro spent in what I purchase?
For instance. Empire of the dead. People at Westwind have many great concepts and ideas. But we must admit that their figures aren't the best in the market. Kind of 6 out of 10. And comparing to other companies, the cost of every figure is quite high. But I'm too in to victorian stuff so I got in straight away without thinking anything else. So in that case the minis being expensive or cheap was a matter subjectively decieved by my mind. ;D ;D ;D
In this same case, Hawk miniatures, I found the models pretty good. Also when I saw an interview of the creator of this mindbursting idea I got even more anxious to get to put my hands in this products. His explanation of the game system was something totally new, with new flavour, backgraund and gaming experience. He gives you something noone else does. But if I have to expend, say 200 euros to have a one afternoon game, it just sets me back.
Obviously if I read the rulebook and find it really really really interesting and I keep desiring those incredible vehicles, maybe I would need to subject my hobby expenses to this only game. o_o o_o
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I am pretty disappointed also because the prices are too high. I understand that they have invested alot of money in to the project, but it would have been smarter business wise to set the prices lower so the sales volumes would be greater. I think their vision was to cover their expenses pretty fast by setting the prices high. They also trusted that the hype was so high that people would just pay whatever price they set.
Personally I think that they did not do enough of market research, or they think that gamers are stupid. If the prices would be lower and the game would turn out to be really good, the sales would be steady, sales volumes higher and their expenses would be covered maybe even faster. Now they shot themselves to their own leg since they priced the products as high end stuff... Bad move
There is so much interest towards this game that many would have just bought starters out of pure curiosity. I just looked again the price of the smallest starter pack and every miniature or troop stand is 5 pounds (actually a little more) each.
That just is too much since I compare the price for other manufacturers stuff, and also for bigger scales like 15mm stuff. For me this was a must and now it's a pass. Well more money to use elsewhere.
Too bad
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just when I think I am set for the hobby some one comes along and changes things lol.
I am all about the scourge and PHR, I hope they come out with some more infantry options oh and maybe a centor like race of aliens :P
Also do they have a forum or any thing set up? I mean if the dudes been making this stuff for 2 years i am sure he has been bouncing the ideas off of some peoples heads. I want to see what other folks do and there thoughts on it.
As for the price tag, I am thinking I will snag the rules and then see were I go from there.
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I thought that the walkers were actually a good price - comparing quality and size to other examples
I looked at some examples from PHR and they don't seem to be extraordinarily expensive when thinking they are about the height of a 28mm miniature and on the bulky side compared to the reqular infantry miniature. They might be rougly equivalent to an Infinity REM in mass and those are I think a little more expensive yet.
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I am pretty disappointed also because the prices are too high. I understand that they have invested alot of money in to the project, but it would have been smarter business wise to set the prices lower so the sales volumes would be greater. I think their vision was to cover their expenses pretty fast by setting the prices high. They also trusted that the hype was so high that people would just pay whatever price they set.
Personally I think that they did not do enough of market research, or they think that gamers are stupid. If the prices would be lower and the game would turn out to be really good, the sales would be steady, sales volumes higher and their expenses would be covered maybe even faster. Now they shot themselves to their own leg since they priced the products as high end stuff... Bad move
There is so much interest towards this game that many would have just bought starters out of pure curiosity. I just looked again the price of the smallest starter pack and every miniature or troop stand is 5 pounds (actually a little more) each.
That just is too much since I compare the price for other manufacturers stuff, and also for bigger scales like 15mm stuff. For me this was a must and now it's a pass. Well more money to use elsewhere.
Too bad
My thoughts exactly. I imagine they have priced many people out of the game in one foul swoop. Bad move on their part. Not that I think anyone who IS buying it are suckers. No doubt they are going to love it and I probably would too, I just can't spend that much on such tiny weeny figures, no matter how beautiful.
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they are about the height of a 28mm miniature
Ahhhh!!!
Didn't realize they were that big. Perhaps they need to be putting out some photos with minis folks will recognize so we can get a better understanding of the scale we are talking about here.
I was also under the impression that they were fairly small.
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Didn't realize they were that big. Perhaps they need to be putting out some photos with minis folks will recognize so we can get a better understanding of the scale we are talking about here.
I was also under the impression that they were fairly small.
Can't speak as to the vehicles, but the infantry are too much for my wallet. I'm not interested in the background or rules or vehicles, I just want more ground pounders to throw into my own games. At a buck a figure, those things (gorgeous as they are) are just too much for me to justify adding to the collection. Copplstone makes the best looking figures in the market at that scale, and they charge at most fifty cents per figure.
(That said, female figures in 10mm are rare enough that I might bite the bullet and pick up a box of the Sirens, prices be damned.)
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Didn't realize they were that big. Perhaps they need to be putting out some photos with minis folks will recognize so we can get a better understanding of the scale we are talking about here
No idea about the infantry but the vehicles are indeed pretty large. HWg does IMCO a very good thing by giving the most relevant sizes, e.g. the walker height, in millimeters (or at least they did so with their previews, I couldn't be bothered to look at their shop right now, the connection is a little slow hereabouts these days).
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Nobody has ever accussed me of being cheap as far as wargames purchases are concerned, quite the contrary, but for such a minute scale - lovely as these models ay be - the price is over the top. Count me out.
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In regard to model sizes, if you click on the model picture on the site, you get a thread of pictures, one of which is the model along side a 1p, a 20 cent (euro) and a cent (?). Hope that helps.
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Thanks Nilbog, I had totally missed that.
Its getting hard to act as I’m not interested in this. I guess the gaming project for at least this fall is set then.
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Nobody has ever accussed me of being cheap as far as wargames purchases are concerned, quite the contrary, but for such a minute scale - lovely as these models ay be - the price is over the top. Count me out.
And yet.... :D
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Does anyone know how these scale with AoG's Gropos figs?
Doug
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For me this game hinges on the rules. I'll pickup the rulebook as its quite reasonably priced for something printed in colour. Then I'll see if I like it enough and how much a decent sized force would cost.
I'm a bit confused about so many complaints on the pricing. To me they look a touch high - infantry costs the same as it does for many 15mm - but of course these are smaller figs. But certainly the price is no where near what it would cost to pick up an epic army from specialist games or a new 40k army - and not even the same order of magnitude as ordering something from forgeworld.
Can someone give some examples of comparable minis that are much cheaper? Or is it perhaps more that the quantities of minis they are recommending you need to play are high? Seriously I'm not just trying to play devil's advocate I'd like to know about significantly cheaper minis out there!
-Tim
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if the pictures with the coins are accurate, then these will be MUCH smaller than the Gropos models.
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Can someone give some examples of comparable minis that are much cheaper? Or is it perhaps more that the quantities of minis they are recommending you need to play are high? Seriously I'm not just trying to play devil's advocate I'd like to know about significantly cheaper minis out there!
For me is a question of: How much do I have to spend on the game? I think the vehicles are really in the line of the Spartan games ships, spaceships, etc. They are not really expensive. But as in Spartan games you can manage to play a whole afternoon with say 40 pounds, it seems that here you will need a bigger investment.
Talking about infantry, I think it is really expensive.
UCM infantry between 0.4/0.45 per figure
Scourge infantry between 0.4/0.66
PHR infantry between 0.45/0.66
Shaltarii infnatry 0.75
And we are talking about 10mm miniatures. I'm not going to compare them with pendraken because Hawk's are thousand times better. But compared to FOW miniatures, another expensive game which is in 15mm, we get less than 0.36 per figure.
What I think is that probbably Hawk is getting the best infantry in 10mm that we can now find in the market. Is it worth it? Well, maybe yes maybe not, we lack of things to compare it with. At the momment we can only say if playing this game is going to be expensive or not. If I have to spend 100 pounds to do something, well, I bet it is.
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For me is a question of: How much do I have to spend on the game? I think the vehicles are really in the line of the Spartan games ships, spaceships, etc. They are not really expensive. But as in Spartan games you can manage to play a whole afternoon with say 40 pounds, it seems that here you will need a bigger investment.
Talking about infantry, I think it is really expensive.
UCM infantry between 0.4/0.45 per figure
Scourge infantry between 0.4/0.66
PHR infantry between 0.45/0.66
Shaltarii infnatry 0.75
And we are talking about 10mm miniatures. I'm not going to compare them with pendraken because Hawk's are thousand times better. But compared to FOW miniatures, another expensive game which is in 15mm, we get less than 0.36 per figure.
What I think is that probbably Hawk is getting the best infantry in 10mm that we can now find in the market. Is it worth it? Well, maybe yes maybe not, we lack of things to compare it with. At the momment we can only say if playing this game is going to be expensive or not. If I have to spend 100 pounds to do something, well, I bet it is.
I agree it is going to be very dependent on how much you need.
I just looked at some FoW prices on the official online store. No idea what I'm looking at really, but for the German Infantry Platoon GBX59 you get 53 men for 26 pounds. So 0.49 per figure. They are 15mm so one would expect them to be higher. Is there a particular box set that gets the price down to 0.36 per figure or is that from another source?
I just noticed that Warstore (in US) has DzC items listed for preorder with a marginal discount on the price (approx 10%).
-Tim
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I agree it is going to be very dependent on how much you need.
I think that's the key in this matter.
I just looked at some FoW prices on the official online store. No idea what I'm looking at really, but for the German Infantry Platoon GBX59 you get 53 men for 26 pounds. So 0.49 per figure. They are 15mm so one would expect them to be higher. Is there a particular box set that gets the price down to 0.36 per figure or is that from another source?
Seems that it differs if it boxed, or blisterd. I took the example from GE723. But then I looked at GE836 an the ratio was 0.35!! So yes, I think it deppends on the pack you take for the calculation.
But anyhow, I think it's still not a good example, because we compare 10mm with 15mm.
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Would think, looking at the starter armies, that whilst infantry are a required option (all the FAQ push this point), you shouldn't need that many - £140 force has 2 packs (4 units) included. Unless they're being clever, and you need extra's of that troop (at around £22 for 2 units - you'll need the APC's as well, remember).
2 units should do to start, and there in all the starter forces.
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For anybody still interested in buying these, maelstrom games is also selling them. With these prices and maelstroms general 10% below retail and no shipping that could be worth it.
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I can't criticise people's opinions because freewill is a good thing but it is grating to listen to all the incessant whining about the cost.
This guy has poured his heart and soul into a brand new game with apparently top notch quality resin minis..the detail is amazing,the rules look very exciting moving away from IGOUGO which is a good thing.
Forgeworld is expensive,GW is expensive,Spartan is expensive and has very brittle resin(although I do play it),FOW is expensive esp. for the resin tanks/vehicles..the point is once you've bought them you've got them forever and this game has great minis,what looks to be a interesting ruleset with new ways of playing esp. dropship-centric.
All this talk of what other games you could use them for!!...they are meant for this game so why should Dave think of making it in a scale so they can be proxies?!..he explains very well his reasoning for 10mm and it makes sense(to me at least).
All of us have spent a small fortune over the years on minis,terrain,rulesets,etc..many of which we've never played with and sit in our lead pile so let's fire a few more positives into this thread and if you're 'out' who really cares?..
I hope he does amazingly well and look forward to spending my hard earned cash on this game..free and frank opinion finished
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All this talk of what other games you could use them for!!...they are meant for this game so why should Dave think of making it in a scale so they can be proxies?!
And yet, he did :)
Many if not most of the vehicles would very well work for a 15mm game at the very least. They don't have very obvious cockpits for example so you can't fault them for the pilot not fitting in.
In my book, ubiquitousness is a big plus.
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if the pictures with the coins are accurate, then these will be MUCH smaller than the Gropos models.
Thanks, Keeper; in spite of the bad news, I won't kill the messenger. Wish my boss could learn that. lol
Have quite a few of the old beasts not doing anything, and it'd be nice to get them some 'friends'...
Doug
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I know, I know, thread necro.
I picked up the rulebook at GenCon after a demo game. From what I can tell so far (having read through it once, and starting it a second time) it's a clean, well thought out set of rules. It's much more "modern" in feel than most games, especially in its emphasis on maneuver warfare. It rewards good risk assessment in terms of transporting units across the battlefield. I'm going to give it a shot, with my standard cardstock tiles, to get a feel for it.
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I also got the book recently, along with a small starter army. I was quite impressed with the rules; I think they're simple enough to work well at this scale, but offer some strategic complexity and some 'ain't it cool' stuff like aircraft strafing runs and interceptions and rules for infantry occupying structures.
It looks like the medium-sized starter deal they offer is going to be where the sweet spot of the game starts. The small starter is just too small for anything except intro games. Which makes sense, given the scale.
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Shop of Magic like the rules mostly too, except for the "the book's uncommon size (A4)" really :P
http://www.shopofmagic.com/index.php/news/featured-product/1246-first-impressions-on-dropzone-commander
For those about to play, the errata/correction section has grown to be fairly big already so take care if going just by the book:
http://www.hawkwargames.com/blogs/errata
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Hawk Wargames have released the resin scenery for the game. Its a bit expensive for a 10 mm game!
http://www.hawkwargames.com/collections/complete-building-kits
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Hawk Wargames have released the resin scenery for the game. Its a bit expensive for a 10 mm game!
http://www.hawkwargames.com/collections/complete-building-kits
:o :o :o
Not 'arf!
Bloody hell!
And there was me thinking that GW were extracting the urine with their pricing policy...
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Well, they certainly aren't selling 'em for peanuts, are they? Not that I know what you average 10-15mm building cost... But be that as it may, am not stunned by the aesthetics either so I definitely wouldn't invest in these if I were gaming DzC.
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Funny, cos I don't think the roof details are badly priced unless I've misread what you get for the money:
http://www.hawkwargames.com/collections/roof-and-detail-detail-accents
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Just a heads up guys...while I know they may be a bit "budget" for some gamers tastes, I did send a couple emails back and forth with the guy who runs Gamecraft Miniatures.
Being on my Robotech kick, I asked if he could scale some of his stuff to 10mm, and he did so. This stuff is comparatively dirt cheap. It may not be precisely the right "look" but if you're looking for very reasonable stuff, worth a look. I'm hoping to have a full city shortly after Christmas.
Stuff is available in Acrylic and MDF
http://store.gcmshop.com/c/157/10mm-city-buildings
Not bad...for around 5% of the cost of the official stuff...
PS: It's also possible that Hawk Wargames priced their stuff into the stratosphere because it's not available yet? You know you occasionally see stuff at $999.99 for a $20 item that's out of stock...? In fact, those addition kits might be perfect to combine with the Gamecraft stuff...
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If it's "unavailable item pricing", shouldn't all kits be the same price then?
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Funny, cos I don't think the roof details are badly priced unless I've misread what you get for the money
Well, the buildings aren't exceedingly small, for example "Art Deco Building" appears to be ca. 20x12x17 cm. At £90 a pop, it makes for about £0.02 per cm3.
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At £90 a pop, it makes for about £0.02 per cm3.
At £90 a pop, they are having a laugh!
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It doesn't seem to make sense to assume it's a decimal point error either tho, £9 would likely not be profitable saleprice and I'm sure nobody wants to think it's really meant to be £900 :P
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Well, they certainly aren't selling 'em for peanuts, are they?
Not at all.
However... having said that, if you look at the parts section, what I pull from that is that the buildings are actually very intricate structures. In fact, reading about each individual building you will see that they contain 100+ pieces.
Very detailed = very expensive. It's the new paradigm for many miniature companies.
Personally, I think if I wanted to have a bunch of buildings, I would download their pdf card stock buildings and then order pieces to decorate them with and make them look as cool as I could.. based on my pocketbook.
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Very detailed = very expensive. It's the new paradigm for many miniature companies
I don't think that's new, actually. Except perhaps in the sense that these days a lot more companies seem to be able to actually make detailed and "fiddly" minis.