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Miniatures Adventure => Future Wars => Topic started by: thebinmann on May 15, 2012, 09:50:29 AM
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If I wanted to game SW in 25mm lead are WEG and Grenadier the onlt ones around?
Thanks
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as far as i know, yes. can't think of any others.
there's also the wotc plastics as an option, i know you're after metal, but quite a few of the plastics look very good when stripped, cleaned up and re-painted. I re-base mine on coins to give them a bit of 'weight' when using them
regards
jim
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Yup, grenadier produced the figures under license for the West End Games RPG and wargaming starwars rule set.
Some of the 25mm Ground Zero games minis look i keeping with starwars minis and useful for spaceport or cantina crowds, some of the military would work for non emperial/ separatist forces, and rebels of course.
Your other alternative, moving out of 25mm but still lead is that new range of figures recently released including multipose stormtroopers, boba fett and a few others (name espcapes me, stone cold's been painting a load recently). Anyway, limited range and no way enough yet to even do a skirmish game but that's your options.
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Knight Models?
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Thanks for the answers guys, had a quick ebay look and the lead is expensive, what are the plastic prices like? Are they 28mm?
as far as i know, yes. can't think of any others.
there's also the wotc plastics as an option, i know you're after metal, but quite a few of the plastics look very good when stripped, cleaned up and re-painted. I re-base mine on coins to give them a bit of 'weight' when using them
regards
jim
I know some who could paint them too!
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Knight Models?
BINGO! :D
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They are indeed 28mm. I don't have any West End ones for comparison, but here's a few repainted WotC plastics next to GW and Privateer Press models.
(http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p512/Rhelyk/comparison2.jpg)
(http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p512/Rhelyk/comparison1.jpg)
The prices vary greatly by figure, because it was a random collectible game so most of the named characters you'll pay anywhere from $5 to $20 for. Generic figures you can expect to be more like $1 to $3. I've been using http://www.auggiesgamesonline.com/ (http://www.auggiesgamesonline.com/) for years and he's fantastic, cheap shipping and a good selection. Occasionally you'll find cheaper on eBay, but watch the shipping cost.
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LEGO
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LEGO
NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! :D
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Some of the West End Games/Grenadier stuff is getting expensive, but nowhere near as expensive as the Knight Models stuff. I have some of those minis and I'm quite happy with them, but I'd never use them for hard gaming use. These are definitely made for display. The WOTC plastics look pretty good, if bendy plastic doesn't annoy you. WOTC also made a very short run of metal miniatures when they first got the license. These were mostly player character figures, like the Female Smuggler or the Male Rogue.
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LEGO
That is way too expensive!
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That is way too expensive!
Maybe they cost a little more, but they are fully customizable.
And, they have quite a big range, including spaceships ;)
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I won't tell you something different : WEG pewter miniatures in 25mm but you can only find them on Ebay at expensive prices.
The best option is WOTC Star Wars plastic miniatures. They are not so expensive but as they are now oop, some of them can't be found or are expensive.
As long as you don't want to collect them all check this french site to make your choice :
http://khryssun.free.fr/starwars-miniatures/fiches/Traductions.php
I bought my Star Wars miniatures from these sites among others (they have a large choice and are not so expensive) :
http://www.fungamesnet.fr/star-wars-miniatures/
http://www.miniaturemarket.com/
http://shop.strikezoneonline.com/Category/Star_Wars_Miniatures_Singles.html
http://www.gamehollow.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=21&osCsid=3d232dab9bb6123c03cb80dc1969eac8
Troll and Toad has a large choice but the shipping cost to Europe is prohibitive.
Try Avengers rules on Ebay too or browse Ebay in general.
http://stores.ebay.com/Avengers-Rule-Super-Store/_i.html?_sc=1&_sop=1
Some Ebay sellers sell lots, it's interesting if you want to build an army.
If you want to buy on Ebay choose one miniature (type stormtrooper for instance), list the miniatures by increasing price and P&P. Then check the shipping cost (if I remember well you are french from Tours, aren't you).
Then watch carefully for the combined shipping cost : some US sellers offer free shipping on additional items or combine shipping at a fair price (example : $6 for one mini and $0.10 or $0.25 for each additional item).
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Thanks for the info
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I subscribe 100% all the YIU comments.
Last year I was looking for some SW wargaming using the old WEG rules, I have some boxes of the old grenadier minis but not enough for big scale gaming, after watching ebay for some months i decided to go for plastics, the old SW grenadier prices on ebay are so abusive to make me feel like offended.
If you are patient on ebay will find people selling whole collections of WOTC star wars, as long you dont look for rare models, remember WOTC game had common, uncommon and rares, like the superheros wizkids games or magic the gathering cards.
In some stores (trollandtoad, for instance) i remember they offered even packs by kind of troop, "stromtroopers deal" etc
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I forgot to mention Ludikbazar which has some SW minis at a low price (I even buy some for conversions) :
http://www.ludikbazar.com/index.php?cPath=3447_2089&full=true&page=1&sort=5a
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I was not a fan of the WEG figs. The plastic pre paints are better figures for the most part.
I like the WEG figures, (have plenty of them so I would say that! ;)). The advantage of WOTC over WEG is variety of figures. If you're a hoth-ite, then one sculpt for hoth rebels and one sculpt for Snowtroopers is going to get dull, (believe me). Rebels and general imperials, pilots, scum, droids, bounty hunters..all good. Add micro machines vehicles into the mix and you're on to a winner.
I can see whay plastic is attractive and I have to say if I was starting from scratch I'd have to say that I would be sorely tempted to the dark (and bendy) side.
Good luck
The Commander
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I must say I do love lead!
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I like the WEG figures, (have plenty of them so I would say that! ;)). The advantage of WOTC over WEG is variety of figures. If you're a hoth-ite, then one sculpt for hoth rebels and one sculpt for Snowtroopers is going to get dull, (believe me). Rebels and general imperials, pilots, scum, droids, bounty hunters..all good. Add micro machines vehicles into the mix and you're on to a winner.
I can see whay plastic is attractive and I have to say if I was starting from scratch I'd have to say that I would be sorely tempted to the dark (and bendy) side.
Good luck
The Commander
100% on the commanderīs side. Itīs the same for me: I own countless WEG minis and have so many matching Micro Machines that I wouldnīt think about anything else. Although I would resist the temptation to be drawn to the leadless and bendy side...
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I must say I do love lead!
I agree with you, Commander and Michi, lead is the best . I have almost all WEG pewter miniatures but I went on the dark side with WOTC plastic minis and I don't regret it. You can make conversions, have a large choice and it's less expensive.
Here are some of my repaints and conversions with WOTC minis :
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=25481.0
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You are right I forgot hard plastic (and resin too)...and it is the best for conversions.
The problem with soft plastic is that it is sometimes harder to paint than other materials.
The advantage : it doesn't break, it's light and it's cheaper (and prepainted for lazzy people).
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I guess I'm getting old. I really don't see the WEG miniatures as bad sculpts. I love some of these minis. There are one or two dogs in the mix, but over all I think these are some of the finer miniatures around. My main problem with WEG is the lack of prequel material. (For some this might be a bonus.) If you want to do anything gaming set during the Clone Wars get ready for some serious conversions.
As for how expensive they are, well there you have me. I'm in the same boat as the Commander. I have loads of these little lead beauties. On the other hand, are the prices so bad when you consider how much modern miniatures go for? $15 for a pack of three figures would have sounded horrible in the past. Now it's starting to sound like a deal.
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I've got a fair few of the WOTC plastic figures - enough for about 40 figures a side, I need to buy some more - but I can just chuck them all in one box and not worry - which helps with storage. I have a few of the metal ones they did too which are really nice. Aside from that, I have loads of the WEG ones which I really like, and they match up well with GZG 25mm's which you can use as Imperial Army, PDF etc.
I do have a mate who is going to sculpt me some 15mm rebel troopers and 15mm stormtroopers (to start with) and I can use the plethora of nice 15mm stuff out there with them - can't wait! :-*
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Have to disagree with Scurv on sculpting quality in respect to WEG stuff. Granted as already confirmed they're are a few nab sculpts, and the poses for some figures aren't really dynamic compared to today, but these weren't sculpted today but 20+ years ago. And for that I think they stand up pretty well:
(http://i446.photobucket.com/albums/qq186/Vyperzoom/Star%20Wars%20Project/SWAugsnowtroopersii.jpg)
(http://i446.photobucket.com/albums/qq186/Vyperzoom/Star%20Wars%20Project/Starwarspjsjawasanddroids.jpg)
(http://i446.photobucket.com/albums/qq186/Vyperzoom/Star%20Wars%20Project/Stormiestodate.jpg)
(http://i446.photobucket.com/albums/qq186/Vyperzoom/Star%20Wars%20Project/RIMG5219.jpg)
(http://i446.photobucket.com/albums/qq186/Vyperzoom/Star%20Wars%20Project/SnowTroopersandprobot.jpg)
(http://i446.photobucket.com/albums/qq186/Vyperzoom/Star%20Wars%20Project/probotandAtATdriver.jpg)
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despite the odd bendy lightsabre.
I told you already, that only happens when I drink too much ;)
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I told you already, that only happens when I drink too much ;)
A slight case of whiskey-saber?