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Miniatures Adventure => Medieval Adventures => Topic started by: Mick_in_Switzerland on June 09, 2012, 05:56:36 PM
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I have been working on Swiss and Burgundians for a while now. Here are some WIP Pics.
First up is an Uri Hornblower
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5239/7149242469_129228d496_b.jpg)
Right is Foundry, Left is converted Perry plastic WOTR
Swiss from last weekend (5th June 2012). These are mostly Perry and Mirliton metal figures with plastic cavalry. I need 12 more flag bearers. Some skirmishers will be replaced with Perry later.
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5022/5621352933_bd1488c243_o.jpg)
Burgundians from last weekend (5th June 2012). These are nearly all Perry plastics. Command from Perry Agincourt range are substitutes until the Burgundian command are launched.
Regards
Mick
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Hi Mick good to see you on LAF :) Excellent Stuff,looking forward to see them in the Flesh ;)
cheers
Dani
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Excellent spread Mick.
Your horn blower looks a lot better than the Foundry one.
Great stuff.
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Thanks everybody, I will post more pictures as things get finished.
Mick :)
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They look amazing! I would love some zoom in pictures!!
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These look great, a chance for closer pictures so we can see up close your paint work? ;)
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I will take some more pictures later.
Hee is my Flickr Gallery. You can enlarge the pictures.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31905569@N05/
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Excellent as ever :)
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More WIP pictures
36 Perry and 10 Mirliton (Grenadier) Pike figures in Swiss Canton colours.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8013/7172734115_d0ba669131_b.jpg)
Perry plastics as Swiss command.
Perry Mounted MAA (and horse heads) on Fireforge horse bodies representing Swiss Commanders, Adrian von Bubenberg (Blue and White with star) and Hans von Hallwyl (Black wings on yellow). The Crusader saddles were cut away and replaced with greenstuff.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7237/7172734005_d9e99f47bd_b.jpg)
Idea to make a Burgundian tent using a Renedra plastic bell tent and a paper tube. Final version of tube will be covered in milliput.
Perry plastic Burgundians with LBMS PAVP(PM)5 transfers (not on LBMS website yet).
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7214/7172733987_0ccab714ff_b.jpg)
Regards
Mick
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Nice looking forces Mick. :)
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Idea to make a Burgundian tent using a Renedra plastic bell tent and a paper tube. Final version of tube will be covered in milliput.
Good idea. I might steal that one!
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Aha. You've managed to get Perry riders to sit on the Fireforge caparisoned horses... I tried and couldn't get them to sit right :?
Did you do much surgery, or did you just jam them on really hard? :)
Are the Mirlton / Grenadier figures the same as the Copplestone-sculpted ones that Companion Miniatures were briefly manufacturing a couple of years back? Rather nice figures...
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Dear Captain Blood,
I did cut away the Fireforge saddles and also sanded a little from inside the legs, One figure had the legs cut at the thigh and reposotioned but that is not essential. I rebuilt the saddles with greenstuff.
I think that the Mirliton figures were sculpted by Mark Copplestone.
Mick
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Gotta love the painting style! :-*
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You have amazing forces right there! If I can give you an advice I would wash your metals a lil bit it would give a great effect with no effort!
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Thank-you for the comments so far.
This week I got another parcel from the Perry's so started the next parts of the project.
Swiss armies were characterised by groups of flag bearers showing the canton and city colours. These are plastic Perry Mercenaries.
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5272/7187258449_fd7bd67079_b.jpg)
These are Burgundian tents made using Renedra bell tents for the top. The bottom is a plasticard tube coated in Milliput.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7098/7187258409_0d27f00678_b.jpg)
I also have the Italian Clergy set so that I can do a Papal Legate to accompany Charles the Bold.
Mick
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Nice looking army and accoutrements so far. Looking forward to the final result in all its glory.
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The Swiss flag group that I assembled last week now has some paint on it. There is still a lot to do but I wanted to get an impression of how it will look. I have not decided how to base these. Your suggestions will be welcomed.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7077/7395864630_38ea6ff93f_b.jpg)
I decided to do conversions as flag bearers for the crossbow, bow and handgun units. Here they are.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7227/7395863566_cfe528c0f0_b.jpg)
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5348/7395863010_9a50ec1a18_b.jpg)
Regards
Mick
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great Stuff again Mick :-* With all those Flag Bearers you could easily set up an inner Helvetian Conflict,Zürich vs Bern-thats a Classic :D
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Some very interesting conversions there Mick.
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Thank-you for the kind comments.
This has been (and still is) a massive project.
The Perry plastics have made it possible and affordable. With the Burgundians, only the artillery are metal.
I will soon have 270 painted figures giving me two matched armies for Grandson and Murten.
These are about 2500 points each for Clash of Empires or circa 2000 points each for WAB.
I have painted many of them very quickly to get to "playable" status.
I have actually built and painted about 100 in the last six weeks.
I will go back and add more shadows and highlights afterwards.
Mick
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Some more conversions - Burgundian officer foot and mounted. Foot officer has head, helmet and besagews (circles) from the mounted set. The horses were converted to new poses by cutting one half in half, as shown here on Lead Adventure. Swiss warhorn horn player for Luzern. The horn came from Wargames Factory Ancient Germans.
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5279/7424863658_53a7395165_b.jpg)
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Excellent Mick. Like those conversions.
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Inspired by a thread about WOTR casualties (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=47103.0), I decided to convert some of my left over Perry WOTR infantry to casualties.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8323/8105107262_7861602f43.jpg)
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Great conversions. The grateful dead ;)
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Wow! :-* :-*
Dear Captain Blood,
I did cut away the Fireforge saddles and also sanded a little from inside the legs, One figure had the legs cut at the thigh and reposotioned but that is not essential. I rebuilt the saddles with greenstuff.
Very effective they are too Mick! 8) 8) 8)
I think that the Mirliton figures were sculpted by Mark Copplestone.
Yep, they were and quite some time ago too :D.
Darrell.
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Great conversion work Mick - the casualties look really impresive. :)
Simon
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Dead cool ;D ;D
Sorry, coldn't help myself ;)
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Excellent - the crossbow man is my favourite 8)
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Here are some work in progress pictures. The two armies are now "playable".
Swiss
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8188/8116949735_79852024d7.jpg)
Burgundians
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8331/8116959020_0a169dc4a4.jpg)
Bigger versions of the pictures are on Flickr
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31905569@N05/
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Mick
Really impressive sight - great when you get to a stage with 2 forces to use them on the table.
Simon.
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Very impressive Mick, well done.
Helen
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Great work to field both protagonists. They look great, how long has this project taken and which one will you be commanding?
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Thank-you for the kind comments. It is very nice to get to this stage, but it is not the end of the project.
I started with 50 Mirliton miniatures about six years ago and played some skirmishes. However, most of the project is based on the Perry plastics, so the armies have really expanded in the last 18 months.
I like to play each battle twice – once as each side.
Photography is very cruel to miniatures. I have seen several that need more washes and highlights. I also have found a few where I have missed painting bits like belts, hair etc. So, I will do various repairs and improvements. The flags also need improvement with paint round the edges etc. I will replace some the flags.
Next, I will add tufts to the bases and probably some battlefield debris such as arrows, discarded weapons etc.
When this is done, I will do some new photographs in daylight with a tripod and try to get better depth of field.
I will then turn my attention to the Burgundian camp and baggage train as they are an important feature in some of the battles.
I have not decided whether to do some scenery. The battle of Murten features a defensive line called the Grünhag (green hedge), but I am not sure what this would have looked like. I think it would be nice to represent the walls of Murten in the background of the battle.
Your suggestions are welcome.
Mick
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Impressive stuff. Photographing figures is definitely a skill, one I have yet to master lol
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A great collection Mick.
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I have no idea when I will next be able to get over for a game but when I do these boys must be on the atble :D
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I have not decided whether to do some scenery. The battle of Murten features a defensive line called the Grünhag (green hedge), but I am not sure what this would have looked like.
Mick,
That's a question I've been pondering on too. My thoughts are that it was either:
- a natural obstacle, possibly a large hedge and/or cutting in the ground
- a man-made defensive position, ie gabions etc, constructed to defend the Burgundian siege camp (as shown in the illustration in recent Osprey 'European Medieval Tactics 2'
- a combo of the two.
Currently I'm tempted more towards the latter; some form of natural barrier that the Burgundians 'enhanced' to accommodate artillery.
I think the best representation is from Schilling - which appears to show the grunhag as trees connected by woven fencing and wooden defenses?
(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r146/chicks_photos/405px-Schilling_murten_bern.jpg)
Not sure what other members of the panel here think?
Simon.
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I'm for the combo... he'd rested one side of the camp on the gorge cut by the stream, so I doubt he'd just entrusted another to a wattle fence. A field barrier ditch and a wattle fence make a good start to a defence line though, so 'enhanced' is what I'd go for too.
From what little I recall though, the problem wasn't the defences as such, but the fact that there were only a few men manning it.
Awe inspiring and inspirational collection there though! ... I thought I'd already said that previously, so apologies for being tardy! ;)
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Very impressive collection 8)
Regarding the defences, I've made something along those lines for very early WWI, sounds odd but with a little modification they would do the job.
Unfortunately Photobucket is deciding not too work so I can't upload examples. I'll try it tomorrow ::)
cheers
James
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I think the best representation is from Schilling - which appears to show the grunhag as trees connected by woven fencing and wooden defenses?
(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r146/chicks_photos/405px-Schilling_murten_bern.jpg)
Not sure what other members of the panel here think?
Simon.
Knowing Charles' eye for detail it could have been a man made barrier. I think it likely that it was both a natural hedge fortified with wicker and probably a ditch of some sort too. Charles did have an excellent eye for setting up camp in the correct manner (as he saw it). He did have a strong interest in the classics too so a man made 'hedge' along the lines of a Roman fortified camp is not out of the question either. I'm afraid that it's all down deduction and intuition at the end of the day.
If only he could have translated this eye for detail onto the battlefield (and improved his luck of course!) lol.
Darrell.
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Stunning work !!!
Best regards Michael
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Photobuckets working again and this is what I was on about. Loosing the sandbags obviously and having more wicker then planks but it might suffice.
(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk138/jimbibbly/Terrain/FF79A858-B49E-46C3-98E2-6221A4AF1AB0-8550-00000BADFDB5FD77.jpg)
(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk138/jimbibbly/Terrain/5A1FA2AA-FC2C-42FA-8D41-0D5CB7574760-8550-00000BAE11F5B134.jpg)
Given what people have said already it could be as neat or cobbled together as you wish.
cheers
James
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Deepening/widening a natural ditch with the earth pilled up against a wattle fence on the 'home' bank sounds quite reasonable to me.
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Deepening/widening a natural ditch with the earth pilled up against a wattle fence on the 'home' bank sounds quite reasonable to me.
Me too.
Often Charles field fortifications would have the benefit of being transferable from one location to another. I guess at the end of the day that it all comes down to just how far he did indeed interpret the classics(?).
Darrell.
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This 19th Century lithograph of the original is a touch clearer...
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-DVHfCgWTph0/UIqeay8rcOI/AAAAAAAALcY/DrRGERGvoDw/s512/42258683.jpg)
So it looks like a hedge with gaps, backed by a wattle fence, with breastworks constructed in the gaps. Presumably there was a ditch on the other side, which the sappers would have deepened and possibly put stakes in.
"Dear diary, have found a really nice place to camp. Am paying all the hired help this morning, as I plan to pop into town later. Awful din outside, hope its not the English playing up again... must go see what the fuss is about."
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Thank-you for all the comments on the Grünhag. They have inspired me to dig out my books and do some internet research.
The Schilling picture is by Diebold Schilling the Elder (c. 1445–1485) and was probably drawn in 1482 which is soon after the 1476 Battle of Murten (or Morat in French). His nephew, Diebold Schilling the Younger, wrote another chronicle in 1515.
I have visited the battle site and many of the museums with collections from the Burgundian Wars. From the museum in Murten, I bought a teacher’s resource book about the Burgundian Wars in German. This morning, inspired by your posts, I have been comparing the deployment and battle diagrams in the book with Google maps.
From the deployment diagram: - The Burgundian defences were a natural ravine (Burggraben) in woodland (Birchenwald = birch wood) at the northern end with the man-made defences forming an upside down hockey stick shape (blade facing right). The top of the hockey stick was the artillery emplacements running SW to NE. From the SE edge of the artillery the Grünhag (reinforced green hedge or green fence) runs on a long line NNW to SSE down to the village of Salvanech. This booklet does not mention a ditch, but I have seen other descriptions that say there was a ditch in front of the fence. The Burgundians were deployed on the SW side of the Grünhag with the area on the NE side a large flat killing field on the approach road from Bern.
From Google Maps: - The southern point of the Grünhag is Salvenach, a village 3km SE of Murten. From there the Grünhag ran NNW. 1200m NNW is a stream corner of the Löwenbergbach. The Löwenbergback stream lies in a steep valley (ravine) in a wood marked as Gultenholz. This stream corner is the therefore the tip of the hockey stick. On the left of the line of the Grünhag in the diagram there is a small hill behind the centre of the Burgundian forces. This is marked on Google maps as Wilerholz.
Schilling Picture: - I also found a bigger version of the Schilling picture on-line.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/75/Schilling_murten_bern.jpg
From Schilling’s picture, we see artillery defences in the foreground. These are substantial woodwork with two rows of vertical posts about 2m high and chest high horizontal logs in between. From the end of the artillery position, there are sections of woodland linked by sections of wattle fence stretching into the distance.
I guess that the artillery defences must have been 150m to 200m long and the Grünhag was between 1000m and 1200m long.
Does that sound plausible?
Mick
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It's not something I'm overly familiar with... but it all sounds good to me! :)
One question for you Burgundian buffs... iirc Diebold Schilling was actually with the Swiss wasn't he? If so and even bearing in mind that he did the illustrations nearly a decade later, his depiction of the Burgundians doesn't appear to reflect the blue and white, with a red cross uniformity, that the Burgundians are popularly supposed to have had.
I've been looking into the Burgundians/Low Countries after Charles the Bold quite a bit recently and it appears that they certainly didn't keep to any sort of regularity, with the exception of the St. Andrews cross (in either red, white, yellow or black, with no apparent rhyme or reason - just what worked with the livery it was worn with). Looking at the picture close up... this also seems to be the case here... at least judging by the standards at least.
I know the 'Ordinance' specified blue and white for coutillier and mounted archers, and Gen d'Armes were supposed to wear a red St. Andrew's cross over their armour, but nothing is mentioned for the infantry. We know that in terms of manpower that the companies didn't achieve their full complements of infantry in any case. Was it also the case with uniforms too perhaps? Did they follow contemporary practice elsewhere and each Captain had their own livery for his company? It might certainly account for the lack of uniformity with Company banners etc.
What do you think guys?
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Mick
Very interesting, and very useful, research that you've done.
Can I ask if the map from the museum book is scan-able - as this seems useful to see?
it sounds a lot like the illustration in the Osprey Medieval Tactics book?
(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r146/chicks_photos/51siGiEsGCL_SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Cheers
Simon.
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The map is visible on-line at the Murten panorama site.
http://www.murtenpanorama.ch/en/schlacht/222.php
The website is well worth exploring and the book is quite good too.
Have you got the Osprey "European Medieval Tactics 2" book?
Is it worth buying?
Mick
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@ Arlequin
I deliberately chose the "theoretical" Ordinance colours for the Burgundians to make a pretty army.
I am sure that on the actual campaign they were not quite so uniform.
Mick
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... and a very pretty army it is too! :)
From what little I know of Duke Charles, if anyone at this time had an army uniformly clothed, it would be him. I think that a lot of his appeal to wargamers is that he displays many of the same characteristics as we do ourselves in our collections... and with the same proportions of wins to losses.
I'd imagine him today whining on a forum about how 'the Army lists are wrong!' and 'They shouldn't be able to do that for the points'.
lol
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Today it is snowing, so I stayed in and converted a mountain of plastic rod cut from sprue into artillery defences for the Burgundians.
These are mounted on 25x50mm Litko bases and can be arranged for one, two or three guns.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8052/8131429962_1c38592844.jpg)
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Had a similar idea myself, but got sick of trimming all the rods. Yours look great!
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Very nice armies, Mick, and so fast ...
:-*
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Mick
Nice work on those wooden defences.
Envious about the snow...!
Simon.
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Great project Mick 8)
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I have now painted the Burgundian artillery defences and added static grass.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8344/8195307199_aacb697d1f.jpg)
I have also made my first attempt at the Grünhag (green fence or hedge) defence line. From research and previous posts in this thread, the consensus is that this was a strong wattle fence which reinforced a natural hedge. Some reports also describe a ditch and bank in front of the Grünhag.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8065/8195308045_b4ede4c341.jpg)
This is made as four 24 cm long sections of wattle fence on 2mm Perspex bases. The groundwork is 9mm high softwood sections to give a ditch and bank. The width is 9cm.
The wattle fence worked out quite expensive as I ended up buying various materials before I found an effect that I liked. I tried 4mm and 3mm diameter beech rod for the posts. For the wattle, I tried several kinds of string and wire and also 2.5mm bamboo skewers but rejected them all as they looked too even.
In the end I used 3mm beech posts which were from cookery skewers. 3mm is about 180mm at full scale which looks about right. I drilled 3mm holes about 25mm apart. With hindsight, the start and end should have been near to the ends of each piece so that the wattle finished neatly.
In medieval times, trees were coppiced to grow thin straight stems for poles, posts and wattle. After several experiments I used 3mm beech skewers, which looked OK, but rather too large. The beech skewers needed soaking in water for 24 hours to make them pliable.
Yesterday, after I had built the wattle, I was in a hobby store and found some basket weaving material called „peddigrohr“. Peddig is a material similar to ramin and is used in basket weaving. This was labelled as 1.7mm in diameter but varies slightly in size. I stripped off the beech from the upper half of the fence and replaced it with four strands of peddig. 15 minutes later, I had a very good looking result.
I painted the whole wattle in a mix of very dark brown and military green. Then I added bone to the colour to get a grey green effect, like bark.
Regards
Mick
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Exceelent as ever Mick :)
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Mick
It looks really effective and well worth all the effort. Great work!!
Simon.
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I agree... I think you've done a great job on it. :)
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Thank-you for the kind comments.
My "mark 1" Grünhag is functional but I think it could be prettier.
- it can be anywhere from 24 to 96 cm long so that enables me to experiment with different scenarios along the table or across the table.
- it is easy to store.
- it was quick to build
- it is quite robust.
- however, it is rather rectangular and regular in form and looks a bit clunky.
One day, I may make a "mark 2" as a single long piece with a slightly curving fence, ditch and trees more like the Schilling drawing (see painterman's post 25th October on page 3).
Actually I think Murten would make a great subject for a demo game.
It is very colourful and there is an interesting variety of troops on the table.
If you extend the scenario to include the camp and baggage train you have a very interesting battle.
I have just added two Perry wagons (in the background of yesterday's pics). I have also ordered three tents from Magister Militum.
Also as I study the battle, the Burgundians had a good plan and well prepared battle field.
If they had been at full strength behind the defences, there could have been a very different result.
I think that the Swiss must have out scouted them in order to achieve surprise on a "rest day".
A scenario where the Burgundians have to roll for each unit to see if they are available would make things very interesting.
Mick
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Mick
I agree that Morat is an interesting game and not necessarily a fore-gone victory for the Swiss Confederation.
I believe a very interesting game can be made with randomising both the appearance of the Swiss blocs and the Burgundian units, as they respond to the initial attack and join the fray.
Am planning to game the battle one day, but probably 12-18 months away at the moment with completion of forces etc.
Simon.
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Very good work !!!
Good inspiration !
Best regards Michael
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cracking work and looks robust enough for regular use :)
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Does anybody know where to find a 28mm church like the one in the Schilling picture?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/75/Schilling_murten_bern.jpg
It can be resin or laser cut wood.
Mick
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Does anybody know where to find a 28mm church like the one in the Schilling picture?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/75/Schilling_murten_bern.jpg
It can be resin or laser cut wood.
Mick
I was convinced that I'd seen such a model before realising that I was actually thinking of the roof to Jimbibbly's wizard tower from the Build Something II comp.
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=21826.120
Note any help I know, unless you want to commission James to make you one. :)
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You never know, he might even get around to finishing one day ;)
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I have been distracted with a different project this week.
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=47614.0
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8340/8248167096_cc24d70490_b.jpg)
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I have been adding more bits to my project. Here are some recent conversions.
Converted Mounted MAA with right hand holding the reins (quite complicated to do).
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8534/8857106946_720a7a877b_o.jpg)
Labourers and a wheelbarrow.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8399/8857105442_85db0dff9a_o.jpg)
Sword and buckler men using Fireforge Foot Sergeants arms.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7324/8856492601_4c69bc8fef_o.jpg)
Regards
Mick
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wow Mick, those WR plastic conversions are really great.
The mounted man at arms pointing is really nice - his left arm from the first Bills & bows box I presume. The right arm holding reins appears to be a cut and repositioned one from the mounted MAAs sprue?
Great work - still so many new assembly options that people are finding.
Simon.
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Dear Simon,
You are right about the mounted man who is pointing. The right pointing arm and upper body is from the WOTR infantry command sprue. The legs and let arm and left hand are all from the Mounted MAA sprue with some cuttung and repositioning.
The mounted trumpeter also uses the infantry command parts for the arms. The body and legs are from the mounted MAA sprue with the left arm carefully shaved away.
The wheelbarow is made from sprue and plasticard. The box and bucket are leftover bits from some 1/48 Tamiya military vehicles.
Regards
Mick
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Well done Mick. +1 for the mounted commander. Great job :-*
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Fantastic work, Mick, love the labourers!
:-*
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Excellent as ever :o
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Took a blooming age to load up the frst image but it was worth it. Quite an intricate job you've done!
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Heralds were common during the Hundred Years War and the Wars of The Roses. They were neutral observers who ensured that knight's bodies were correctly identified and returned to their families. I think they sometimes also did negotiations of ransoms for prisoners.
Does anybody know if the Swiss and Burgundians had heralds?
I tend to think that they did not. Neither side had a good record with prisoners and Charles the Bold's body was left unidentified for many hours at Nancy.
Also how common were pages? Would each mounted Man at Arms have a squire or only the highest ranking officers?
(I am tempted to buy even more Perry figures as decoration for my armies.)
Thanks
Mick
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Mick
I see no reason why the dukes of Burgundy would not have heralds - as you say they have a role to play at court, at tournaments and in war. There are illuminations showing such heralds at the Burgundian court I'm sure (but cannot check right now).
It is an interesting question re the Swiss - as most of the army was raised from an urban leadership, I'm unsure. The Schilling Chronicles show clearly messangers, who maybe so, but not a distinctive herald wearingt their lord's coats of arms - I'll search further through images when I can.
Re pages, each 'lance' was suppose to include a page, and so anyone who's status enabled them to contract for a lance, would have a page - some maybe younger teenage nobility, learning their creft, and so these could fight in support of a man at arms in many cases.
Simon.
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Dear Simon,
I just saw the Perry Herald painted as a Burgundian, on your blog post.
As usual it is excellent.
Do the Perry heralds in the WOTR command sets have "moulded on" coats of arms or are they plain?
Thanks
Mick
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Burgundy certainly had heralds. I'm thinking of Toison d'or
Carl
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Mick
The Perry metal heads have plain / smooth tabards (ie unlike the Perry HYW personality figures).
Simon
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Great - Thank-you
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Here are some pictures of my workbench.
Flickr gallery
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31905569@N05/
Perry Mounted Men at Arms Conversions with right hands holding reins.
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3715/8913094189_f16d1aafa5_h.jpg)
Perry Lancastrian Command on Foot and Mounted
These are temporary substitutes for Burgundian command until the Perries bring out new sets.
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2879/8913710482_7b1ff08838_o.jpg)
Perry Labourers - bucket, box and wheelbarrow are converted plastics.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7330/8913092431_2f31d676a7_o.jpg)
Perry WOTR with Fireforge Sergeants' arms to give some skirmishers.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8412/8913711094_21b9fc2a5b_h.jpg)
Fireforge Sergeants as a medieval warband - some with Perry arms to make archers.
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2848/8913712586_7a79c5b77b_h.jpg)
Fireforge Sergeants with an old Citadel Pack horse. Note the converted backpack inspired by the Otherworld Indiego extra figures.
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Regards
Mick
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I like especially the labourers. I missed something like that for my siege of neuss project. You showed the way. :)
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The skirmishers look nice with the fireforge arms, might buy them for my own conversions.
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Superb conversions and very creative ideas, Mick! Smashing!
:-*
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Nice work Mick - really like the two mounted figs and will log those conversions for future reference. ;)
Simon.
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Great work Mick.
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I pre-ordered the new Perry Foot Knights kit. The kit arrived on the 1st of September.
Here are the first ten.
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Most will go into my Burgundian army, hence the blue and white colour scheme.
Richard's heraldry was a challenge but looks better than I had expected.
I need a paper flag for his standard bearer.
Bigger picture on Flickr
https://www.flickr.com/photos/31905569@N05/
Mick
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Wow, you go them done quick 8)
Looking good :-*
cheers
James
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Really good work.
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those look fantastic, the metalwork looks just right
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This thread is filled with fantastic painted miniatures. Richard has come out particularly well. I'm going to enjoy following this thread.
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Very nicely done :D
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Nicely done Mick - first ones I've seen completed and always good inspiration for me (and I'm sure others too)>
Cheers
Simon.
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Great work, looks very nice!
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Nicely done, splendid looking armour effects.
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Thank-you everybody
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They look great :-*
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My friend, David Knight visited us and stayed for a few days. We visited museums and castles in Grandson, Hallwyl, Lenzburg, Luzern, Murten and the amphitheatre in Avenches. We visited the battlefields of Grandson (1476), Murten (1476), Morgarten 1(1315) and 1386 Sempach (1386). We also found time to play various wargames including Agincourt (1415) , Murten (1476), Villers-Bretonneux (1918) and Mirbat (1972).
Agincourt 1415
We played using Lion Rampant. The English army list was the same as last time with Thomas. The French were bolstered with more Men at Arms on foot. We played twice and in both cases the English won quite easily. The four units of expert archers dominated the muddy killing ground in front of the English stakes. In future, I may downgrade them so that two units are normal archers and two are expert.
Murten 1476
Although I painted the armies and built the Grünhag in 2012, I had not actually made a scenario or played the game. We used Lion Rampant again.
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The Swiss army consisted of four pike units (Expert Foot Sergeants), four halberd units (Fierce Foot) and three Crossbow units plus a unit of cavalry (mounted Men at Arms). In addition there was a large command group with flags for decoration.
The Burgundian force consisted of two units of Archers, two of Crossbow, two Men at Arms, two Pike (foot sergeants), three Mounted Men at Arms and a unit of artillery. The artillery were played as a crossbow unit, but with range of 36” shooting on 4+. There were also some command figures for decoration.
The Burgundian infantry and artillery started behind the Grünhag. Mounted forces could arrive one unit per turn from turn 4 onwards. On turn 4, on a roll of 6, on turn five on a roll of 5+ etc. until all three units arrived. Swiss victory condition would be three units behind the Burgundian lines, at which point the Burgundians would flee as in the Schilling illustration. Burgundian victory would be when the Swiss were weakened so that this was no longer feasible.
We played the scenario twice and the Swiss won on both occasions. However it was a close run thing so we felt that it was a good scenario.
The Grünhag was made from three wide sections at 24cm long, making 72cm overall. It was a bit clumsy for play. I will remake it as a simpler wattle fence without the ditch. I will make each section about 12 cm long so that they can be easily moved to simulate breaches.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5752/21032938014_ca27091d3f_o.jpg)
Regards
Mick
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Sounds like a fun game! The wattle fence looks great, did you make it yourself?
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It was great fun. It was also a great feeling to have seen the battlefield, near contemporary illustrations and artifacts in the museums. It really helped bring the game to life as did Mick's superbly painted figures and terrain.
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Looks really fab!! :-* :-* :-*
If only Charles hadn't been so 'off the ball' all the time- I do wonder if he would ever have got a victory..... ??? ??? ???
Darrell.
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@Shandy
The Grünhag was built from wooden sections on a acrylic base. The wattle is barbeque skewers and some basket weaving material called „Peddigrohr".
This is described on page 4 (12th November 2012).
@Atheling
I think the Burgundian wars offer good possibilities for gaming. The armies are very colourful and have interesting mixes of troop types.
Murten
I will certainly play Murten again. The Burgundians had strong forces and well prepared defences, but were surprised by the Swiss. As a game, the activation of the Burgundian forces can make or break the battle.
Grandson
David and I are planning to game Grandson at some point. It is also an interesting battle.
The Burgundians were camped at Concise. The Swiss army arrived in two parts from the East. The vanguard arrived along the lake edge road. The Burgundian cavalry attacked the Swiss vanguard but then withdrew to allow the artillery to finish them off. At this point, the second part of the Swiss army arrived from the forest road from the North East and above the camp. This pincer movement turned the battle and routed the Burgundians.
The Swiss captured 200 cannon and a vast treasure in the baggage train.
Mick
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@Atheling
I think the Burgundian wars offer good possibilities for gaming. The armies are very colourful and have interesting mixes of troop types.
I utterly agree. You've also got the contrast in colours used for the Burgundians and the Swiss that makes for a positive plethora of 'contrasting' colour 8)
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A really interesting thread with some cool conversions by mixing different plastic sets. Thanks for sharing.
I really like your converted labourers and that packbearer a few pages back.
Any chance of a rear shot of the pack and a little detail about how you did it if you don't mind?
I'd love to try something similar with some of my adventurers and also to do some marching troops a bit like the marching romans from warlord.
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A few Steel Fist Knights from their Kickstarter. These are fabulous and a good match to the Perry figures.
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Wonderful, you haven't hung about have you.
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They look great Mick
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Very Nice work on on some lovely sculpts :-*
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Love those :-*
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Thank-you all :)
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Wow excellent stuff :-*
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Great painting Mick!
I have the castings and am very impressed (wonderful sculpting and fine castings too).
regards, Simon
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Nicely painted Mick.
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Just seeing this thread, wonderful!
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Thank-you Jeff, Simon, Helen and GamesPoet
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Really wonderful painting!
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Great stuff, the Steel Fist figures are really nice.
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Great job Mick nice colours too!
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Fantastic gilding! :-*