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Miniatures Adventure => Fantasy Adventures => Topic started by: robh on June 29, 2012, 02:34:58 PM
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Not wanting to resurrect a thread from early 2011.
Is anyone using these? I have seen several reviews from when they were first released but nothing about how they have been used since.
How durable are they?
Given that the sewer tiles will always be on the bottom is it feasible to mount them on mdf and create a drop down into the canal.
How many clips do you need in reality....seems like a lot!
I am thinking of getting a set for Carnevale (colour the brown sewer water blue/green....or at least what passes as blue/green in the Venetian canals) but also to use with Gloire and Savage Worlds.
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There has been quite some user builds, but for some reason not in this forum ;)
Best place is obviously the official WWG forum.
As for clips, it's generally said that you need (number of TCP boxes)+1 clip packs.
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http://www.worldworksgames.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=90
Don't like 'em myself... :?
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Honestly, I may buy the dungeon sets :o
Incredible graphics art. It's like Diablo 3 on tabletop. I know with efforts we can do great modelling things, but for someone busy with work, family, or other hobbies, it's a good way to build a wonderfull 3d dungeon.
I'm still searching for the perfect generic dungeon ruleset, something with the quality or supersystem, but allowing playing solitaire too...and then...Maybe... :D
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I own multiple sets of the original three. I love them. I've found them to be quite durable, just don't be abusive, as in force clips places they shouldn't go, slam them around, etc... For normal gaming and transportation I've not had any problems.
I have a clip set per cardstock set, knowing that any time I'll use more sets worth of clips than the cardstock sets. The one plus one guideline makes pretty good sense.
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Honestly, I may buy the dungeon sets :o
Incredible graphics art. It's like Diablo 3 on tabletop. I know with efforts we can do great modelling things, but for someone busy with work, family, or other hobbies, it's a good way to build a wonderfull 3d dungeon.
I'm still searching for the perfect generic dungeon ruleset, something with the quality or supersystem, but allowing playing solitaire too...and then...Maybe... :D
Sunday hero.....On the subject of a good, modular dungeon i would like to point you into the the direction of Tabletop-buildings.nl that offers two series (fieldstone and gothic) of modular dungeons that could be what you are looking for.
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What I like with cardboard scenery is the modularity and the fact you can easily store it too.
I also like the videogame-ish style it have. It reminds me diablo, dungeon siege, etc...
But first task will be to find a good dungeon crawler generic solitaire rule.
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I also like the videogame-ish style it have. It reminds me diablo, dungeon siege, etc...
That's exactly why I won't touch cardboard prints with a ten foot pole. If I want to wander among completely flat, texture-mapped polygons, I launch Doom (1993). In miniature gaming, I appreciate true 3D, including the surfaces. :)
Although I admit even WWG is vastly better than no terrain or half-finished terrain with plain cardboard showing. It's a good option if your time and money are both seriously limited. For me, building stuff is nowadays the hobby and gaming is a rare side-effect so I'll find the time, no matter what...
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I agree with you. But you put something into light : TIME. I cannot practice all my hobbies the way I want, including having a job to fill the fridge and buy the minis and modelling material, sadly lol
For me 3d cardboard make sense, to simulate a videogame dungeon crawling, since in videogames, a lot of what we see is actually flat too, and only simulate 3d with textures.
Storage and time, but keeping a nice table, budget minded. That's, I believe, the force of this range. It's also why I invested in heroscape huge tiles lot last year, for more classic gaming.
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I have to agree with a couple of points made. I much prefer traditional three dimensional terrain. For time, portability, and storage, nice looking cardstock really cannot be beat.
I've found that adding little three dimensional details can really help. This sort of stuff can help clutter up what would otherwise be entirely too clean. I see the same problem with a lot of hand made three dimensional stuff though, the lack of detail makes it look.....off. I think it just comes down to what makes sense for each individual's hobby desires and needs.
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Tabletop-buildings.nl does not seem to exist...... :'(
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I agree about the pro's and con's of Cardboard buildings. Top quality, hand crafted, purpose built scenery will always be preferable, but it is :
Time consuming to make and/or
Expensive to buy
Difficult to store
Difficult to Transport
Limited options (unless you have a lot of spare scenery to exchange/swap pieces between games)
For me it is mainly about the storage and transportation. BUT that is not why I started this thread!
What about the Terraclips sets specifically, how are you finding those with repeated use? I do not trust comments on manufacturer site forums as they are too often censored or excessive "fan boy" territory. There is not one comment there about peeling images, softening of card corners, clips losing tension, all the things I have come to expect from card scenery over the years.
Have WWG really got it sorted, is this the perfect set of card scenery?
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@Robh:
Apparently, it is fiddly and time consuming enough that many folks leave the WW terrain assembled, or at least half-assembled in modules. Therefore the deterioration of the edges wouldn't be such an issue in those cases... Like you though, I have often wondered (and have yet to see a set in person). :?
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I agree about the pro's and con's of Cardboard buildings. Top quality, hand crafted, purpose built scenery will always be preferable, but it is :
Time consuming to make and/or
Expensive to buy
Difficult to store
Difficult to Transport
Limited options (unless you have a lot of spare scenery to exchange/swap pieces between games)
For me it is mainly about the storage and transportation. BUT that is not why I started this thread!
What about the Terraclips sets specifically, how are you finding those with repeated use? I do not trust comments on manufacturer site forums as they are too often censored or excessive "fan boy" territory. There is not one comment there about peeling images, softening of card corners, clips losing tension, all the things I have come to expect from card scenery over the years.
Have WWG really got it sorted, is this the perfect set of card scenery?
With some care these really should last for years.
IF you can avoid moisture problems inherent in a paper pulp product that will help. I throw packs of the desiccant into each container to help with that. I live in an area that is routinely 90 to 100% humidity and still haven't had any issues.
The other issue I COULD see happening is tearing where the clips are attached to the cardstock. IF you're careful about the way you put them on this should never be a problem either,
With the other concerns... It took the two companies, World Works Games, and Wyrd Miniatures, at least a year and a half to get these right. The expected to release them at GenCon of 2010, and didn't like the way the original batch came out. They then sent it back to the drawing board for release the following year. I expect that they'll stand up well over time, the cardstock feels to be better quality than any of the other paper or cardboard terrain or pieces I've seen since the early 90's.
Also: I've heard quite a few people saying they had a hard time building things, so they leave structures clipped together. I have to admit, I haven't had that issue. I find they go together pretty quickly, once you know the sizes and shapes involved. To be fair, I have a pretty strong grasp of 2d and 3d shapes, and how they interact. It's likely from a professional background, so I've never really thought twice about it.
I wish you were local to me, I'd happily let you play around with my sets to see if it was something you felt comfortable putting resources into.
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Tabletop-buildings.nl does not seem to exist...... :'(
It does but the website is surprisingly enough not available...i just found out. Funny, but i will contact the guy that owns it and see what's happening. I'll keep you posted
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I briefly used World Work's games stuff a while back. The original sets not the new fancy ones. Back in the days when we had to use paper clips for modular systems!
I really liked the stuff but, the only issue with it was the amount of ink it would eat up. Also the amount of time you spent on a build for it to be relatively flimsy. Still I've got the sets on my PC, I reckon that if i could print them off cheap enough I'd get a wee mini-dungeon crawl going.
Sorry not quite what you had in mind!
Cheers
Andy
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I gave in....Maelstrom 16% discount plus free international shipping...
Ordered one box of each and 3 boxes of clips. Working on the principle that I am only likely to be making 4x4 tables so am probably not using any box to its full extent at one time.
May regret it, may be the best gaming decision I have made for ages...I will let you know.
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I gave in....Maelstrom 16% discount plus free international shipping...
Ordered one box of each and 3 boxes of clips. Working on the principle that I am only likely to be making 4x4 tables so am probably not using any box to its full extent at one time.
May regret it, may be the best gaming decision I have made for ages...I will let you know.
I have seen a few people trying this stuff out in reviews and the like and often them seem to miss the 3d potential this game has, so all I can say is make sure you go vertical, if you have 3 boxes that should get you quite some impressive settups, make sure to post a picture of some here!
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I have seen a few people trying this stuff out in reviews and the like and often them seem to miss the 3d potential this game has, so all I can say is make sure you go vertical, if you have 3 boxes that should get you quite some impressive settups, make sure to post a picture of some here!
He's right. To get the most out of them build up a bit... I ran an event, and used them. This is what I came up with, while playing around a bit. This was a pretty simple set up, so keep in mind you can do a LOT more.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/CiaranalTrystan/Zombies/IMAG0165.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/CiaranalTrystan/Zombies/IMG_20111105_180653.jpg)
Be sure to keep the desiccant! Store the clips and the cardstock in separate containers. Also, you may want to consider building the stairs, and leaving them built, even gluing them together. IF you have the container to store it in it can help...
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It does but the website is surprisingly enough not available...i just found out. Funny, but i will contact the guy that owns it and see what's happening. I'll keep you posted
Just had an e-mail exchange with the owner of the website and i all goes well it will be up and running by tomorrow.
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He's right. To get the most out of them build up a bit... I ran an event, and used them. This is what I came up with, while playing around a bit. This was a pretty simple set up, so keep in mind you can do a LOT more.
Be sure to keep the desiccant! Store the clips and the cardstock in separate containers. Also, you may want to consider building the stairs, and leaving them built, even gluing them together. IF you have the container to store it in it can help...
Great looking scenario, if somewhat daunting for the guys in the building.
How well do the building levels stack. I see from the videos the clips have ridges to stop the layers sliding. Are they effective?
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Great looking scenario, if somewhat daunting for the guys in the building.
How well do the building levels stack. I see from the videos the clips have ridges to stop the layers sliding. Are they effective?
Well, they weren't supposed to make it out alive....
I found them to come together really well vertically. My friends and I haven't had any issues with them sliding around, assuming someone doesn't slam into the gaming table...
The clips aren't meant for attaching stories together. The cardstock doesn't have the same notches in that direction as the others. This is specifically so the stories can be lifted off. Still, I've never had issues with the buildings falling down, or sliding around.
Is that what you meant?
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One of the propaganda videos points out a small ridge on the bottom of the clip that is "designed" to stop the upper layer sliding in respect of the lower layer. Not a fixing clip as such, just a small lip/ridge.
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That little thing can be seen here: It is designed to "grab" onto an underlying wall.
(http://www.worldworksgames.com/store/media/images/connectornotice(2).png)
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The multi story structures are actually very stable.
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Maelstrom seem to be having problems getting hold of the Terraclips stuff again. Not available from the supplier apparently. >:(
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That little thing can be seen here: It is designed to "grab" onto an underlying wall.
(http://www.worldworksgames.com/store/media/images/connectornotice(2).png)
The upright walls are not designed to clip together using these. The tops of the walls don't have the inset notches specifically for clip use. The "T" clips are designed for anything the builder might want to create that has a slat space, with a square corner in the middle expanse. It could be used for attaching walls the way you've described, it would just make it much harder to lift off stories in order to game inside.
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Maelstrom seem to be having problems getting hold of the Terraclips stuff again. Not available from the supplier apparently. >:(
That's odd, as the supplier (Wyrd) has them in stock.
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That's odd, as the supplier (Wyrd) has them in stock.
Actually the supplier is world works, rather then wyrd.
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Actually the supplier is world works, rather then wyrd.
If you follow the World Works Games site to "buy it here" it takes you to: http://wyrd-games.net/shop/BUILDINGS-OF-MALIFAUX.html
The Wyrd store. This was a joint project between the two companies, and distribution is being done by Wyrd. WWG had never done a tangible product, this is its first. Which is why if you look at the box it says Wyrd next to WWG.
So... Actually, the supplier is Wyrd.
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If you follow the World Works Games site to "buy it here" it takes you to: http://wyrd-games.net/shop/BUILDINGS-OF-MALIFAUX.html
The Wyrd store. This was a joint project between the two companies, and distribution is being done by Wyrd. WWG had never done a tangible product, this is its first. Which is why if you look at the box it says Wyrd next to WWG.
So... Actually, the supplier is Wyrd.
Ah, your right, its produced by WW but distributed by wyrd. (which makes sense with WW only selling digital as you mentioned) Then either maelstrom is slow on their updates (has happened before) Or wyrd has store stock but no trade stock.
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Ah, your right, its produced by WW but distributed by wyrd. (which makes sense with WW only selling digital as you mentioned) Then either maelstrom is slow on their updates (has happened before) Or wyrd has store stock but no trade stock.
It's something that Denny once mentioned was conceived before their TerrainLinx line of products. They just needed a partner, which they found after a few years. It's nice in this case because they can focus on what they're famous for (their gorgeous textures) and play around with some engineering. Their straight fantasy line (the dungeon stuff) that is coming out soon has much more complex shapes involved, which makes me pretty excited.
Robh, there are a couple of us retailers that have them in stock. I would imagine that shipping to you would be a bit rough... Hopefully Maelstrom will get it sorted pretty quickly.
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I spoke to one of the Maelstrom guys. Seems the UK distributor (Simple Miniature Games?) lacks the stock rather than the supplier (WW/Wyrd). Wyrd have a note in the News section of their site saying the things are now "back in stock" which implies that for a while at least they were out.
Guess that my timing was pretty poor. Still, given that I have not managed to get a game of anything since before Christmas a few weeks more is not going to hurt :'(
@varangian....Indeed the shipping is a killer, with the import fees from buying outside Europe on top, plus the surcharge the PO add to the import fees makes it a non starter.