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Miniatures Adventure => Future Wars => Topic started by: obsidian3d on August 21, 2012, 10:18:16 PM
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With the details finally starting to come out about the contents, release date and MSRP...how many of you will be picking up the new sixth edition starter box?
What are your plans for the models inside?
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Pre ordered 2 special edition ones last night,one for me and one for my nephew in Afghanistan.
The Dark Angels will go into my ever growing marine force.I mix all the models from different chapters together without paying any attention to marine chapter iconography and use whatever codex I feel like. 8)
Not sure what I'm going to do with the chaos models yet.I'll have 2 sets because my nephew has all ready told me he doesn't want his. I need to see them in the plastic to figure out if they can be added to my Guard.
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I have an army for both Space Marines and Chaos, most of which are from starters and battle boxes. I'm not sure if I'll be able to use the Dark Angels as is, I'll probably strip some of the shoulder armour iconography from them if I do. I'm more interested in the CSM figures, it'll round out the force I already have started.
And I'm really looking forward to the small rule book.
Where did you pre-order it from?
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I pre ordered on Bartertown.There is a user/advertiser there who either has a online or brick and mortar store.He started taking preorders yesterday.$80.25US for the special edition $74something regular edition.plus $6 for US shipping. Seemed like a good deal.
Scurv, that sucks balls dude
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Yeah, GW still operates under the assumption that the australian dollar is still only half the value of an amercan dollar like it was 5+ years ago. Same for the canadian dollar, they pay half again what we pay for items in the USA even though the currencies are more or less equivelant now and have been for a few years.`And instead of bothering to fix the issue and charge prices based on currency conversions, GW made it against the terms of service to ship internationally so that aussies couldn't order from UK retailers and pay to have it shipped and customs fees, which was still FAR cheaper than retail there. It's beyond silly.
Me, I just don't like the direction they took the rules. I was super into 3rd and 4th ed, but I think I played all of a dozen games of 5th edition, and everything I've read for 6th makes me think I'll like it even less. Shame, the new models look stunning, absolutely stunning. I may pick up a few loose figs via ebay bitz sellers just to paint up.
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For us ignorant types, what is the difference between the special edition and the regular?
(besides the price lol )
Thanks
Jake
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@CaptJake special edition has a finecast dark angels interrogator-chaplain.I've never tried finecast fig but I figure for the extra 6 bucks if it sucks I can sell it for 3 tmies that lol
@kalamadea weird how people differ.I quit playing because of 3rd and 4th then got back because of 5th lol
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I'll wait for someone to put parts on ebay that way I pick up only what I want
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I know what you mean about the southern hemisphere racism. I've ony bought 1 mini from GW since about 1995. THe Finecast Krell. $33 NZ when it's way less than half that in the UK. Anyway. I won't be buying the new box although I picked the cultists up from Bits and Kits. They are really the only thing that interest me. Necromunda Chaos Cult and also some extra Brood Brothers for my Genestealer cult. :) The Hellbrute looks incredibly awesome.
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I'll wait for someone to put parts on ebay that way I pick up only what I want
I contacted the folks at Blackdagger Games (http://stores.ebay.com/Blackdagger-Games (http://stores.ebay.com/Blackdagger-Games)) and they said they will definitely be the figures individually.
I don't do 40K but I definitely want a squad of the Chaos Cultists!
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Dark vengeance as opposed to the light and frothy kind of vengeance, I suppose.
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Dark vengeance as opposed to the light and frothy kind of vengeance, I suppose.
Fluffy Vengeance?
Shiny Vengeance?
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Effervescent Vengeance!
Al I want are those Cultists. And mebee that Hellbrute thing.
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(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/284883_339601136127899_35120399_n.jpg)
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Lots of figures in that box. Looks really good. As a (very) minor complaint, I do hope the templates aren't green, I'd like to see some more clear ones, or maybe even a different color. But I can always use my old ones instead for that.
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I reckon transluscent green. It's nice to see a bit of diversity in the Chaos guys. They seem more like SM + IG rolled into one... but evil.
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Those Chaos Cultists make the boxed set for me! I will be trading for as many sets of them as I can!
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Oh man, I did not give the tenth part of a crap about this new box until I saw those cultists. Hopefully they'll be affordable on the secondary market.
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With their push back to games that tell stories, rather than appease tournament play, I'm considering picking some stuff up.
The fact that I just started planning a true-scale Nurgle CSM army was just damned good timing.
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So it's 46 plastic figures for £65 ?
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.. and an A5 rulebook that goes for silly money on EBay. There is usually some scenery,too.
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Also love the cultists, (traitor IG back on the agenda) but as I believe they are to be a choice in the new CSM Codex (Sept/Oct release) there should be an actual box of just them available at some point.
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I definitely don't need that set and will likely have little opportunity to use it, but it's tempting. Not sure about the terminator models but the Chaos ones do look good, especially the cultists. They'd be useful for Necromunda/skirmish gaming.
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The starter for fifth edition (Assault on Black Reach) didn't have any terrain in it, and this box doesn't look any different. I'd rather have more figures in my starter box than terrain anyway.
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Terrain is not important enough to take up valuable space in a starter box. Having said that I liked the terrain in the 3rd Ed box, which I still have, as well as some of the old card 'buildings' from the 2nd Ed box!
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I might hit eBay for the cultists. I had a dream a year or so ago about GW bringing out new Necromunda miniatures which looked a lot like these. Not that I'm saying GW have a huge machine that reads peoples' dreams or anything but those price rises must have been paying for something... ::)
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lol
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Dark Vengeance has just shown up on the GW New Zealand site. $210 for the limited edition. Thats around about 105 pounds. :-[ :'( lol ;D >:( :o :? So many emotions to describe this soul sucking price. Compared to the UK 65 pounds.
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I am a Warhammer virgin, and this boxset will take my "flower"...
Having read that back, it's more disturbing than it was intended...
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Good Idea Scurv. I'm not considering buying it myself. As I think I have said previously, I bought the Cultists through bits and kits for 25 pounds. Strangely enough I can buy from bits stores in the UK. If I bought every bit through a bits store to get a complete pack of something I think it still turns out cheaper. I don't really buy from GW anymore anyway. I just look for 2nd hand stuff as it's way cheaper.
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lol oh well
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Been admiring the boxset, and this might make me crack, and buy it.
http://www.totalwargamer.co.uk/warhammer-40000-dark-vengeance.html
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I am a Warhammer virgin, and this boxset will take my "flower"...
Having read that back, it's more disturbing than it was intended...
Save your money!!! lol
Models are decent, there are plenty of gamers, rules aren't shitty, but you have to get used to the odour.
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The Cultists would be great for anyone who played Necromunda; in fact I dare say they'd fit into most post apocalyptic stuff. I actually quite like them.
The rest of the stuff does look 'good' and while I can appreciate that it's pretty and detailed, I'm afraid that it does nothing for me. Too be fair; massive rank and file armies don't do much for me anymore either.
Cheers
Andy
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The cultists look great! ;D
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Save your money!!! lol
Models are decent, there are plenty of gamers, rules aren't shitty, but you have to get used to the odour.
If "Models are decent, there are plenty of gamers, rules aren't shitty", then what odor should I get used to? :D Of GW, in general? :)
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Wayland have a deal going too:
http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/prod_17714.html?utm_source=Wayland+Games+Ltd+List&utm_campaign=294accd52c-Dark_Vengeance_Out_Now8_24_2012&utm_medium=email
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Not that I'm saying GW have a huge machine that reads peoples' dreams or anything but those price rises must have been paying for something... ::)
Although obviously ignoring the dreams of lower prices....
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The cultists look great! ;D
Too many exotic melee weapons for my taste.
Bad enough bringing a knife to a gunfight, but a sword or a morning star?
Looks odd in a squad that includes so many automatic & semi-auto weapons.
After all, if swords were that good they'd be using them in Afghanistan.
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I was actually looking forward to the cultists.
They do leave me a bit meh however. I don't get the part where they're all completely beefy and muscles all over. I thunk of cultist a bit less working out at the gym and little more human rats.
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After all, if swords were that good they'd be using them in Afghanistan.
You ... you have heard of Warhammer 40,000, right?
I mean, I'm not saying you don't have a point, but six editions in I think it's not exactly a surprise.
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They may not be using swords in Afghanistan, but many U.S. service personnel are using tomahawks! :o They are modernized and upgraded ones based on the type issued during Vietnam.
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Not that I'm saying GW have a huge machine that reads peoples' dreams or anything but...
Good, because if you did it wouldn't be working correctly o_o
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They may not be using swords in Afghanistan, but many U.S. service personnel are using tomahawks! :o They are modernized and upgraded ones based on the type issued during Vietnam.
Like these?
(http://www.jpegwallpapers.com/images/wallpapers/Tomahawk-Missile-308907.jpeg)
lol
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Zis is not a Tomahawk! Zis is a Tomahawk! ;)
(http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/tom-3.jpg)
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Don't be silly, this is a Tomahawk:
(http://www.windriverhistory.org/exhibits/traditional_arts/resources/tomahawk.jpeg)
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The starter sets to me are always a little insulting...while granted they are not brilliant models most of the time, it's GW saying "hey look, you could buy/field a very cool army for about $80..."....but everything else we'll sell you will be 15 year old FineCast molds at $40 per 5 guys.
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Those cultists look perfect for Post Apocalypse gaming...here's hoping someone buys a few sets and sells sprues individually online lol
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I don't get the part where they're all completely beefy and muscles all over. I thunk of cultist a bit less working out at the gym and little more human rats.
In the grim darkness of the future, there is only steroids...
:D
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Those cultists look perfect for Post Apocalypse gaming...here's hoping someone buys a few sets and sells sprues individually online lol
I already pre-ordered a bunch of cultists from sellers on eBay. There are a few shops (pre) selling them at the moment.
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I like the Dark Angels as well............ (DUCKS)
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In regards to the type of tomahawk, necrocannibal has the right idea! The modern versions are used for entrance tools, escape and evasion, and close quarter combat. I highly recommend that everyone have one in their Zombie Survival Kit!!!! lol
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In regards to the type of tomahawk, necrocannibal has the right idea! The mordern versions are used for entrance tools, escape and evasion, and close quarter combat. I highly recommend that everyone have one in their Zombie Survival Kit!!!! lol
Ha...perhaps maybe a Chain Tomahawk??? That'll fit in nicely with 40K.
On topic: I love those Cultists and even though the Helbrute is really over the top, I still like it.
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The cultists look suitable for a post-apoc (mad max/Doomsday style)game. If ammo is scarce then melee weapons make more sense. I could fit them into some of my games, but outside of post-apoc contexts they are pretty dumb looking. I don't play much in the 40K sandbox even though I use some of their old models in FUBAR games.
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hm is there anything really new in there?
Terminators, Space Marines, Cultists...seen those things 1000 times before.
Looks like the usual stuff with slightly different plastic minis...
...same game, same old ideas?
Still have my first edition Rogue Trader (fun to read, terrible to play I admit)
The last rules I looked (5 ed or so) at where just designed to sell minis, but not playable...
Maybe I am wrong but this looks boring
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Maybe I am wrong but this looks boring
6th edition is closer to RT or 2nd edition than the last few.
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That sounds promising.
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6th edition is closer to RT or 2nd edition than the last few.
You are still not selling it to me.
La, la, la, la, I cant hear you.......
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I ordered the box set last weekend. I was resisting for as long as I could, but those Terminators look so nice I just had to. I think these newest Terminator models have a lot more character then the old ones did.
Besides, I'm sure I can find a home for the Chaos stuff. (I shouldn't tease, because I don't plan on getting rid of them. Too many other uses.)
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Got our copies in at work yesterday, I'm tempted to get one for the Chaos stuff. Even though I have no use for them and can't think of anything to do with them other than marvel at how nice they are... :?
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Good, because if you did it wouldn't be working correctly o_o
Obviously working; no one's pointed out that machine doesn't listen to dreams. It injects ideas into...
*gak*
The_Beast
whoops... correction... deleted gamer signs...
Doug
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Hmm, I pre-ordered a limited edition yesterday... After getting a look at the cultists, but I'm thinking I might can it and just wait for the cultists to pop up on evil-bay.
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6th edition is closer to RT or 2nd edition than the last few.
Really? I've only watched a bunch of intro videos on Beasts of War - but it sure doesn't sound like it at all. It sounds like an even more dumbed down version of 4th/5th (which drove me straight out of the game).
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hm is there anything really new in there?
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Maybe I am wrong but this looks boring
quoting myself :D
...went into a GW shop today and had a look at the plastic stuff, yepp I was right "boring".
...nothing new. And the cultist are really not that great at all. Maybe it's also the GW iconography that is annoying because their figures always stand out and scream "hey I am a GW miniature! You are not allowed to use me for anything else!"
Maybe for a beginner kid (with rich parents) but who else needs another space marine variant with the legs bent at a slightly different angle.
Just out of interest...are all these figures done on a computer and then just 3D printed? That would be even more boring and explain why so many peace look like "copy and paste"
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I'm still looking forward to my cultists :)
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...went into a GW shop today and had a look at the plastic stuff, yepp I was right "boring".
...nothing new. And the cultist are really not that great at all. Maybe it's also the GW iconography that is annoying because their figures always stand out and scream "hey I am a GW miniature! You are not allowed to use me for anything else!"
Maybe for a beginner kid (with rich parents) but who else needs another space marine variant with the legs bent at a slightly different angle.
I kinda feel the opposite actually.
I find that the Chaos side in particular has finally managed to nail down what their artwork has shown for years but that their previous models always failed to deliver.
As for the GW look*... Well, aspects of that I agree with. The main things are the size, scale and exaggerated proportions of everything. That makes it hard to fit into other ranges easily, but if you're prepared to do a little work with a knife, file and possibly some different heads, it is pretty easy to change them to how you want - and they will usually fit in much better then. The Cultists at least seem oddly skull-free compared to most recent GW models (even the Dark Angels from the same box!).
The main thing that I like about this starter and the current WHFB starter is that the models are dynamic and yet come in few parts - a sharp contrast to most of their troops boxes.
I would *much* rather have ten properly-posed models that come in two parts each on a pair of frames than ten models with 5+ parts each on four frames in a box. Why? Because the models that most of the current multi-part kits produce have far too many parts and mouldlines. They also seem to produce the same stiff, awkwardly-posed models for everyone, despite the multi-posing supposedly allowing for more customisation. Finally, they are plastic, so cutting them up for conversions is quite easy (and no, parts-swapping between different kits isn't converting!). The starter boxes have shown just what's possible with the new generation of plastic figures, but only if you let the new medium work to achieve what other mediums cannot. If you just copy other mediums but with plastic, you've pretty much wasted the chance to do something cool, and you can never quite match in quality what the other mediums can achieve on their own terms either.
*I guess it's like the Innsmouth Look in some ways? :P
Just out of interest...are all these figures done on a computer and then just 3D printed? That would be even more boring and explain why so many peace look like "copy and paste"
AFAIK, no physical model is produced at all in these cases (except where something sufficiently new in design warrants it so that it can be held in-hand and passed around at a meeting). Remember that printing these things is expensive, and that the final moulds will not be made anything like the way that the rubber moulds are. In early design stages, sculptors at GW will mock up something appropriate in the traditional GS from the concept art to see if the models will work how they want them to. I think that when the Dark Eldar range was re-done recently by GW, they had quite a lot of videos and commentary from Jes Goodwin about the process.
Once finalised, the 3D design can be used to cut the moulds directly - although, as with all these things, different companies can do different things or use different methods.
Also, sometimes the physical models are "scanned" and used to generate a 3D model, which can then be tweaked and updated/used as necessary. For example, a number of the Dark Eldar plastic trooper models were done this way IIRC.
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I'm certainly no friend of GW's policies, but I have to admit, this is a great set.
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I'm not a GW fan boy either, but I'll be picking up those cultists at some point.
And for a Starter Set, I think it's an interesting mix of figs and reasonably priced.
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^This is my issue though. ;)
So, for MSRP $99.00...meaning in a little while you'll get it for $75-80 at a decent online discount retailer. For $80 you get: 48 models (including bikes, a dreadnought, characters etc.). On the flip side, as an old school Eldar player, I can order elite choices for $41 ($30 at discount?) per 6 figures...in finecast - even though the sculpts range from 5-15 years old...or perhaps I can pay $15 per Wraithguard model, another 20 year old sculpt. Oh, and you can ONLY get your elite choices in Finecast.
Their boxed sets completely invalidate the rest of their obnoxious lineup. They do this with many of their reasonable starter boxes. Oh you play this army? Congrats you can probably do some ebaying, and have a very affordable, reasonable army. Oh you play THAT army? Good luck fielding an army for less than $600.
To me, that kind of thing is a bit of a slap in the face. It says to me, GW is sitting there blatantly saying "hey guys, our game could be affordable...but...nope.".
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GW has one very important aspect that gets overlooked by those of us with a game group. You can find a game almost anywhere. I have a friend in the Air Force who plays almost anything GW makes. He ends up moving every two years, so finding a game group isn't always doable. Finding a group to play Warhammer 40K is pretty darn reliable almost anywhere on the planet. Sure it's expensive, and there may be better systems out there, but for universal appeal it's hard to find a better choice.
The funny thing about me defending WH40K is I've quit playing the game at least six times, and I just picked up the box set two days ago. This entertains my wife to no end.
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GW has one very important aspect that gets overlooked by those of us with a game group. You can find a game almost anywhere. [...] Sure it's expensive, and there may be better systems out there, but for universal appeal it's hard to find a better choice.
I can see this argument, and sort of agree too. But factor in the size of a typical army nowadays (i.e., how many models you're gonna have to paint!) and the cost of it (and maybe the quality of the game rules / balance of your chosen army) and it suddenly starts to look pretty shaky for what you have to lay out. Not to mention the size of the board and the length of the game, both of which may be prohibitive.
For the cost of one GW WH40K army, you can buy two (or more) "average size" forces for most other games out there, and that way have a loaner army for your game of choice - it means that anyone willing to play and learn some rules can easily join you in whatever your chosen game is (and might discover there are other fun games out there than WH40K). Is it cheaper per model to do this? Probably not. Is it a better game that you are likely to be playing? Probably. Will everyone want to learn and play a new game with you? Depends, but having everything ready is pretty tempting. Does having more than one force afford you more variety too? Definitely.
Not that everyone will jump on this, or saying that everything GW does is evil, or anything else that is inflammatory and/or sensationalist... Just that there is more out there, and most people who have only experienced GW games very often really cannot see the wood for the trees; they need to either be burned repeatedly or be shown the light by someone else!* ;)
(*Yeah, I meant that as a half-joke, it's not meant to be patronising!)
[...] I just picked up the box set two days ago. This entertains my wife to no end.
Me too... :'(
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I havea copy of AE bounty, never played it but it looks to be a great game. Use whatever minis you have (even 40k ones) to make up your team of varying sizes 2-16 no points to worry about at all. The good thing about it is you get to use whatever scale you want and whatever companies minis you want. You could do the same for GW games as well but I like the small skirmish games (Necromunda included).
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@ Beefcake:
I've played a couple of games with AE Bounty, and enjoyed them. They are strictly small-scale skirmish rules though, and the "point-less" system of crew generation is fiddly enough that I just wish somebody would write a proper program that makes it simpler and prints out a summary at the end for you. (like the Infinity one (http://infinitythegame.com/dt_army/) for example, which is excellent).
I think that the AE Bounty rules are good for Rogue Trader and pirate / Chaos warband crews, but I feel they would struggle to represent something like a squad of Space Marines properly. You would also struggle to get more than a few (at most maybe) Marines in a force - assuming that you want them to be pretty "elite" of course!
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I picked up the Dark Vengeance box over the weekend and put all the models together. The only ones that I've glued in place so far are the two squads of cultists. My initial impressions are good, very good. The details on the plastic figures is really quite stellar. And while yes, I admit that it is an expensive box ($135 Canadian), that works out to be somewhere around $3 per figure, not including the rule book and other stuff in the box. Realistically speaking, that's pretty reasonable compared to other similar products out there.
I haven't done much other than flip through the new rules, but the learn to play book is decent looking. I'm going to try running through it this week to see how sixth differs from fifth.
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Ordered Cultists and a Hellbrute off eBay. They'll make great generic minions.
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Gillbear has it right. I keep at least 5 ready-to-go FUBAR style forces. I've never had a problem getting in a game with anyone who wargames even a little. All they have to do is meet up with me. I have the rules and the figs. It's easy to teach and we can knock out 2 or 3 games in an afternoon. I'm always building little skirmish forces and trying different rules. It's the most reliable way to game for me.
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Too many exotic melee weapons for my taste.
Bad enough bringing a knife to a gunfight, but a sword or a morning star?
Looks odd in a squad that includes so many automatic & semi-auto weapons.
After all, if swords were that good they'd be using them in Afghanistan.
Swords fit into the 40k universe. Most IG & SM HQ and squad/platoon leaders carry them. Morning stars are pretty stupid IMHO
Ha...perhaps maybe a Chain Tomahawk??? That'll fit in nicely with 40K.
Khorne berserkers have chain axes....close enough