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Miniatures Adventure => The Great War => Topic started by: Helen on March 02, 2008, 07:44:41 AM

Title: Naval Guns and Army Gatling
Post by: Helen on March 02, 2008, 07:44:41 AM
Hi Guys,

Found these photos whilst exploring through all the pages of photos.

Enjoy!
Naval Maxim (Pom Pom)
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s266/HelenBachaus/artillery/MaximSMSPanther.jpg)

To me this looks like a 8.8cm boat gun!
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s266/HelenBachaus/artillery/3965303038366131.jpg)

6cm Landing Gun
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s266/HelenBachaus/artillery/75cmGebirgKanoneL136CML21C98.jpg)

Gatling
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s266/HelenBachaus/artillery/gattling.jpg)
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Title: Naval Guns and Army Gatling
Post by: Prof.Witchheimer on March 02, 2008, 08:01:43 AM
Grossartig! I really like this one "Budapest" photo, someone has to sculpt that guy on the right, thanks Helen!
Title: Naval Guns and Army Gatling
Post by: fastolfrus on March 02, 2008, 09:46:31 AM
Interesting mount for the gatling.
Any background info for these ?

Are they all KuK marine ?
Title: Naval Guns and Army Gatling
Post by: twrchtrwyth on March 02, 2008, 07:23:10 PM
Good photos thanks. 8)
Title: Naval Guns and Army Gatling
Post by: Helen on March 02, 2008, 08:39:25 PM
Quote from: "fastolfrus"
Interesting mount for the gatling.
Any background info for these ?

Are they all KuK marine ?


Hi,

AFAIK they are all German sailors apart from the gatling gun.

The first photo show the SMS Panther which was a gunboat and used in WW1. Not sure on the service of the other photos, moveover the second and third photgraph shows boat guns and the latter a 6cm landing gun used on shore by naval units. The former 8.8 cm were standard deck guns on smaller fighting vessels and possibly secondary armarment on larger fighting vessels also used for arming captured vessels. The Konigsberg had two stored in the hull for such purpose before using them in the land campaign on impriovided mounts.

I don't know the history behind the gatling gun, but I'll attempt to find out.

God Bless

Helen
Title: Re: Naval Guns and Army Gatling
Post by: XCIV on March 08, 2012, 11:05:39 PM
that last is a Gatling, not a Hotchkiss Revolvign Cannon?

Looks mighty big caliber, is all. More 1-pdr or even 3-pdr than 1".
Title: Re: Naval Guns and Army Gatling
Post by: ZuluPaul on March 08, 2012, 11:23:02 PM
Looks like the gatling is on a sled for some reason.
Title: Re: Naval Guns and Army Gatling
Post by: OSHIROmodels on March 09, 2012, 12:17:19 AM
I like the monkey on the pompom  :D

Inspirational set of photos  :)

cheers

James
Title: Re: Naval Guns and Army Gatling
Post by: aircav on March 09, 2012, 08:03:51 AM
Looks like the gatling is on a sled for some reason.

It's for extreme tobogganing  lol

Great pictures Helen  :)
Title: Re: Naval Guns and Army Gatling
Post by: Mr.Marx on March 09, 2012, 10:39:04 AM
That's a Hochkiss 3-pdr Revolving cannon, not a Gatling. Still cool though, I had no idea that they were used so late or that they were ever used on land outside of fixed mounts on forts.

MM
Title: Re: Naval Guns and Army Gatling
Post by: Plynkes on March 09, 2012, 11:13:38 AM
I had no idea that they were used so late or that they were ever used on land outside of fixed mounts on forts.

They were sold as field pieces as well as on fixed mounts.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/Colonial/hotchkisscannonanj.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/Colonial/6247589475_7366e5a57c.jpg)

I think the Americans used them like this.

The Germans certainly did in Africa...

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/Colonial/landungstruppe.jpg)



Now this is all very nice, but what is it with all the casual threadomancy lately? Is it really necessary to hunt down and then dig up a four-year-old thread just to tell someone they are wrong?  Bizarre.
Title: Re: Naval Guns and Army Gatling
Post by: Plynkes on March 09, 2012, 11:24:14 AM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1e/Bundesarchiv_Bild_105-DOA0152%2C_Deutsch-Ostafrika%2CAn_der_Revolverkanone.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/Colonial/Bundesarchiv_Bild_105-DOA0149_Deutsch-Ostafrika_An_der_Revolverkanone.jpg)

Smokey old business once she gets going, eh?
Title: Re: Naval Guns and Army Gatling
Post by: HerbyF on March 09, 2012, 11:25:45 AM
Is the Hotchkiss photo from WWI or maybe the Russian Civil War? Sled mounted guns were not uncommon during the RCW.
Title: Re: Naval Guns and Army Gatling
Post by: Plynkes on March 09, 2012, 11:28:27 AM
"Apotheke" is German for pharmacy, I think. So RCW is perhaps unlikely. Uniforms look German too.
Title: Re: Naval Guns and Army Gatling
Post by: Lowtardog on March 09, 2012, 12:26:36 PM
That first photo and the oil painting, it must ahve been used as a basis for the painting!
Title: Re: Naval Guns and Army Gatling
Post by: Plynkes on March 09, 2012, 12:40:18 PM
Definitely. Interesting how the artist decided to turn the leaning German into an Askari.
Title: Re: Naval Guns and Army Gatling
Post by: Lowtardog on March 09, 2012, 12:44:29 PM
Definitely. Interesting how the artist decided to turn the leaning German into an Askari.

Very true you would thik that would be the last thing a Colonial artist would do ! :)
Title: Re: Naval Guns and Army Gatling
Post by: Ray Rivers on March 09, 2012, 01:20:40 PM
Note how in the second photo of the Gatling gun firing how one of the chaps appears to have to raise his head fairly significantly to see forward.
Title: Re: Naval Guns and Army Gatling
Post by: Plynkes on March 09, 2012, 01:30:23 PM
Looks to me more like he's looking up at the loader fellow standing on the gun that he's passing something to (ammo, I guess). You can see the loader's fingers emerging from behind the gun-operator's back, just about to take whatever it is from him.
Title: Re: Naval Guns and Army Gatling
Post by: Ray Rivers on March 09, 2012, 01:35:48 PM
Ah!

Yes, that appears to be the situation.
Title: Re: Naval Guns and Army Gatling
Post by: fastolfrus on March 09, 2012, 01:37:56 PM
I like the monkey on the pompom  :D

Inspirational set of photos  :)

cheers

James

That's not a euphemism I've heard before :~}
Title: Re: Naval Guns and Army Gatling
Post by: fastolfrus on March 09, 2012, 01:42:44 PM
"Apotheke" is German for pharmacy, I think. So RCW is perhaps unlikely. Uniforms look German too.

Maybe it's somewhere on the eastern front rather than RCW?

Or even Poland etc 1919?
The uniforms don't seem to have any identifying details, not even rank badges by the look of things.
Title: Re: Naval Guns and Army Gatling
Post by: Plynkes on March 09, 2012, 02:06:45 PM
German Revolution, maybe? Not a subject I know much about, but their arrangement is pretty ad-hoc and unmilitary-looking, what with it being mounted on a sled on a trolley.
Title: Re: Naval Guns and Army Gatling
Post by: aircav on March 09, 2012, 02:21:52 PM
They seem to be wearing a mixture of the 1915 intermediate & 1915 bluse, so it could well be 1916

the guy at the front looks very mountain trooper to me, but the others look to have jack boots on
Title: Re: Naval Guns and Army Gatling
Post by: The Breaker on March 10, 2012, 08:36:29 AM
In the photo where they are firing the gun, I couldn't see any ear plugs being worn. Surely that is against O,H & S.  :D Seriously though did they have to hand crank it like a Gatling?
Title: Re: Naval Guns and Army Gatling
Post by: Melnibonean on March 15, 2012, 01:01:07 PM
Maybe it's somewhere on the eastern front rather than RCW?

Or even Poland etc 1919?
The uniforms don't seem to have any identifying details, not even rank badges by the look of things.

The sign on the front of the restaurant is in French. From what I can make out it seems to translate as: Formal Restaurant