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Miniatures Adventure => SuperHero Adventures => Topic started by: tnjrp on September 26, 2012, 10:56:34 AM
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Holy smokes indeedy! o_o
http://www.beastsofwar.com/knight-models/holy-smokes-batman-miniatures-game/
But, will it be crowdfunded? The superhero gaming world awaits the revelations to come with bated breath...
ETA -- fixed the subject 8)
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...They dumped Starwars for this? Couldn't they have done something with the SW licence instead?
I'm a bit disappointed to say the least. :(
(And that's not to say that I don't like Batman or the models they've previewed... Just that I cannot remember how long I've been waiting for a decent SW game with affordable minis.)
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Might be a cost issue on SW license?
At a quick peruse to their catalog, the actual name of the game could be Batman - Arkham City. Also, if their 35mm Batman model is any guideline, then affordable with this particular game is as affordable does (can't recall how much their SW figs used to cost).
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The licence is always the issue with any company, when they start not making money with a game it gets dumped because it costs so much $ to licence to Lucas and company. The list is huge: West End Games, two CCG companies (Deceipher), WOTC Star Wars Clix ( no longer made) and the Space One they did, there was some paper Star Wars starfighter game just to name a few.....anything that ends up with a Star Wars label has a hard time due to up front costs and to maintain the licence plus Lucas and company also control the rights so they usually have a say over content as well.
DC is more open to selling their rights to boost the struggling comic market that has went into a sharp decline since the 90's. Prices keep climbing up, people are buying less and many people walked when they did the Universe resets...I did...this looks interesting..
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...They dumped Starwars for this? Couldn't they have done something with the SW licence instead?
I'm a bit disappointed to say the least. :(
+1
My personal guess, is they ditched Star War in order to go after the Tolkien licence (especially with The Hobbit coming out). Still, 30mm DC (& hopefully followed by Marvel) figures could be pretty good news.
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I think they are going to be bigger than 30mm, at least the the info I read somewhere. It must be true, I read it on the internet. lol
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35mm if I recall correctly.
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But why of flipping fecking feck why do they always have to go 35 frigging mm!!!!??!?! I'm all for 'exclusivity' but come on, 28mm and you get more sales, more cross over and more pick up potential surely as people can add to what they have and proxy in all directions surely!?!??!
Grr.... etc...
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Yep, I love, love, love me some Batman, but if the minis are some BS size like 35mm I'm out.
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But why of flipping fecking feck why do they always have to go 35 frigging mm!!!!??!?! I'm all for 'exclusivity' but come on, 28mm and you get more sales, more cross over and more pick up potential surely as people can add to what they have and proxy in all directions surely!?!??!
Grr.... etc...
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You make a larger scale so you can sell your game and your minis, if you just sell the minis and not the game then you are missing half the profit.
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Yes I get the my minis my game sales pitch I said that, what I was saying was if your market is 'x' with 35mm (knight minis knight game) but if you pitched ar 28mm your market increases to 3x (knight minis knight game, knight minis someone elses game and knight game proxy minis) then I'm sorry but you are increasing your potential profit not missing half surely? Also when did I say only sell the minis sorry?
If I had no interest in the game but wanted a dark knight for pulp city or any other supers games, having a 35mm knight one that sticks out like a batsignal on full power next to my 28mm minis isn't going to work for me, but if it was in a scale where crossover was a cert then more product would be shifted.
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Yes I get the my minis my game sales pitch I said that, what I was saying was if your market is 'x' with 35mm (knight minis knight game) but if you pitched ar 28mm your market increases to 3x (knight minis knight game, knight minis someone elses game and knight game proxy minis) then I'm sorry but you are increasing your potential profit not missing half surely? Also when did I say only sell the minis sorry?
If I had no interest in the game but wanted a dark knight for pulp city or any other supers games, having a 35mm knight one that sticks out like a batsignal on full power next to my 28mm minis isn't going to work for me, but if it was in a scale where crossover was a cert then more product would be shifted.
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They may be trying to create a new market size....trying to make a new standard.
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Can't see anything wrong with that, after all Fantasy Flight Games's Mutant Chronicles CMG has been a smashing success!
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What a plastic boardgame for mutant chronicles? Never heard of that edition sorry, also not sure how that fits with the thread, are they another scale then?
edit: looks great :? http://drakesflames.blogspot.co.uk/2008/06/crappy-game-review-mutant-chronicles.html (http://drakesflames.blogspot.co.uk/2008/06/crappy-game-review-mutant-chronicles.html)
Anyway.....
Appreciate the be range new world order idea, my I think my point stand, if they can afford to isolate the wider market and market share by making scale incompatable with the other supers ranges then good luck. But they will shift less product than if they went down the 28mm route.
Cheers
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I think "real 28mm" is falling on the wayside... Quite a few scifi minis companies are making what is described as "32mm scale" these days, which really means ca. 35mm top-of-the-head. If KM is measuring that way, instead of to the eye level, then they aren't overtly huge compared to quite a bit of what's become on offer over the last 5 or so years. Of course the comparison should be to modern/very near future minis really and I can't say if they are shifting the size up on that front as well.
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I think "real 28mm" is falling on the wayside... Quite a few scifi minis companies are making what is described as "32mm scale" these days, which really means ca. 35mm top-of-the-head. If KM is measuring that way, instead of to the eye level, then they aren't overtly huge compared to quite a bit of what's become on offer over the last 5 or so years. Of course the comparison should be to modern/very near future minis really and I can't say if they are shifting the size up on that front as well.
One of the notable in that 'bigger than 28mm' arena is Wyrd/Malifaux isn't it? And I am sure that they are around the 35mm mark in reality.
I don't imagine the 35mm decision is a sales driver to the game, as more profit will be yielded on the minis than the rules.
Equally, given the high cost per unit likely as a KM product, I suspect that even if these were 28mm, that there would be only limited uptake among fans of other games such as Supersystem in particular (even with its open build rules), and to a lesser extent Pulp City or other alternatives; that is simply based on the logic follow-through of the price points associated with those games.
What will drive sales is that these are licensed minis, with a license that is very attractive to a certain part of the hobby audience, and presumably well-sculpted. Whether that will drive sufficient sales to make a return after up-front costs is another question. However getting back on point, I think KM will have chosen 35mm not to differentiate, but simply to appeal to a couple of sectors of the hobby market audience: the collectors, the painters. And 35mm will allow for a better 'canvas' for the painters than say 28mm. And that is ore significant I feel when you consider the quality of the sculptors and the quality of the studio paint-jobs they have.
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But why of flipping fecking feck why do they always have to go 35 frigging mm!!!!??!?! I'm all for 'exclusivity' but come on, 28mm and you get more sales, more cross over and more pick up potential surely as people can add to what they have and proxy in all directions surely!?!??!
[...]I think KM will have chosen 35mm not to differentiate, but simply to appeal to a couple of sectors of the hobby market audience: the collectors, the painters. And 35mm will allow for a better 'canvas' for the painters than say 28mm. And that is ore significant I feel when you consider the quality of the sculptors and the quality of the studio paint-jobs they have.
I don't think the scale is that much of an issue really Commander V; as noted above by leonmallet, the scale reflects the possibility of sculpting better and finer detail, and whilst the figures are a tad taller than "heroic" 28mm, they are most obviously slimmer - which means they are about the same size but look much taller. And with proprietary licences, most people don't mix-n-match different universe backgrounds.
That said, the best way to drive model sales is with a game. That's what Wyrd learned, and that's why everyone and their dog is putting out a game to accompany their minis at the moment.
If you set the price at something affordable (even if expensive, £5-6 per figure is still reasonably affordable... £12-15 is not so much), and you have a decent game too, people will buy into the game. SW games in the past all seem to have been designed to rip off customers as fast as possible rather than to provide good models and/or rules and longevity. When KM did their SW range I had hoped that they'd keep it around, add to it, and perhaps eventually publish a game around it to match the quality of the sculpts.
Also, with things like Batman... I'd maybe get Batman, and a few villains. That's it; why would I have *any* incentive to buy more? But with SW, most people would likely buy more than just a few Jedi/characters; there's literally legions of Stromtroopers and Droids to buy in bulk in order to have skirmishes and battles with.
<Shrugs> Oh well. <Returns to painting KM Stormtroopers>
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That said, the best way to drive model sales is with a game. That's what Wyrd learned, and that's why everyone and their dog is putting out a game to accompany their minis at the moment
Completely OT but I've often wondered why the "reciprocality" (in quotes since I think it's at best very close to nonexistent in practice) in miniature gaming business doesn't extent even to rules writers and miniature makers collaborating on game projects (there are some random examples but not many). In other words, one might think the rules writing companies would more often be called upon to produce official rules for a miniature makers' figs. But again it may be something the latter don't think would encourage the sales of their particular miniatures unless the former promised the latter exclusivity -- which they can't for their own reasons. It's seen as a case of what I called "a smaller slice of a cake that isn't going to be considerably larger" earlier.
Also, with things like Batman... I'd maybe get Batman, and a few villains. That's it; why would I have *any* incentive to buy more? But with SW, most people would likely buy more than just a few Jedi/characters; there's literally legions of Stromtroopers and Droids to buy in bulk in order to have skirmishes and battles with
Well yes, they probably would if the price was right... That is to say, cheap. But I would wager KM made the decision to drop the SW licence either because Luca$ Fi£m was fleecing them for it and/or their current sales of SW stuff wasn't what they hoped for and they projected it won't be profitable even if they put out a mass battle game. Neither fact is likely going to be disclosed of course.
With Batman, they likely get a cheaper lisence (and one they have paid for anyway, at least in part, for the 70mm stuff) and not an inconsiderable number of characters (from the comics produced over the period of what is fast approaching a century) that are likely to all sell one of to everyone playing if the price per quality isn't quite abysmal. I would think they figure going more @ Wyrd than @ Mantic is going to pay off for them.
Or possibly they are just really st00pid short sighted economically. Perhaps we can draw some conclusions once we see how this game sells, or not.
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Completely OT but I've often wondered why the "reciprocality" (in quotes since I think it's at best very close to nonexistent in practice) in miniature gaming business doesn't extent even to rules writers and miniature makers collaborating on game projects (there are some random examples but not many). In other words, one might think the rules writing companies would more often be called upon to produce official rules for a miniature makers' figs. But again it may be something the latter don't think would encourage the sales of their particular miniatures unless the former promised the latter exclusivity -- which they can't for their own reasons. It's seen as a case of what I called "a smaller slice of a cake that isn't going to be considerably larger" earlier.
Well, for anything generic or historical, having a ruleset probably doesn't help to shift any more minis than not having one.
But for a proprietary or licensed backgrounds, I think it does help.
Remember, GW use their rules to influence sales, and I'm nearly certain that companies like Privateer Press must see higher sales of "game-good" models than "game-bad" models, regardless of how good or bad the sculpts are. Wyrd really only came into most people's horizons after they came out with a ruleset, and the same could be said of a number of other smaller games companies too.
Regardless, I think that KM are probably fans of the licence material themselves, and they are aiming primarily at the collector / top-end painter market than the game market. News of the Batman game however indicates to me that they've realised the potential of having a ruleset to help drive sales.
What saddens me is that they didn't realise this sooner when the had the SW licence, as that may have encouraged them to keep it and develop it.
All that said, I do know that different licences have different costs and conditions attached to them (duh!), and I understand that a requirement of the the SW licence is that the licensee must add something new to the SW universe (all approved and sanctioned by Lucas Arts, of course!). Now, whether this applies to collector models, busts, props, etc, I'm not sure (I doubt it). But I'm fairly certain that it does apply to any games that use it, and there may be additional cost and risk associate with that, which could well be why KM never produced a SW game themselves.
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Most licences were fairly cheap until the early 2000's. The Star Wars deals after the Prequels came out just killed the option for most miniature/gaming companies. Global Games in Canada did pick up the licence after West End folded, but had to close shop before they could actually release their miniatures, saw some of the pre-production 28mm Stormtroopers and while not the best miniatures on the market, they could have had a contender ...
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In case anyone still cares they just posted on Facebook the game will be 30mm, so good news there!
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I care 8)
For those not fond of F-book, here's BoW on the subject:
http://www.beastsofwar.com/knight-models/details-knight-models-batman-miniatures-game-emerge/
The 30mm scale (a little smaller than that current Bats fig of theirs, oddly) should be good 'cuz it's easier to find "cannon fodder" for the heroes and villains to kick around. Not too many should be needed tho in any case, based on the current info.
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On the subject of the scope of the game, despite being touted in the text as a generic Batman Miniatures Game, it looks like it's going to be very strongly influenced by the comp game Batman: Arkham City at least to begin with*. All promo pictures so far say "Arkham City" and the aesthetic also looks like it's from AC:
http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/578393_290122327754759_508587155_n.jpg
http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/400225_290134881086837_185473347_n.jpg
More on the presumable character selection:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman:_Arkham_City#Characters
No doubt they'll branch into wider "batverse" eventually tho. Also, hopefully they'll branch into publishing news about this outside of Fecesbook o_o
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*) they should definitely start considering expansion during next year ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eFkx65ZhAE
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KM continues to publish information on Facebook only, here's (most of) their post about the mechanics:
Batman Miniature Game is a skirmish turn-based miniature game.
The first thing is band creation, you will love this part because there will be a lot of possibilities. [...] The idea is that there will be bosse like the Joker, Penguin, Two-Face .... and they can fight each other as well.... On the other hand many characters of the Batman Universe are not so important to form their own band, these are called "free agents" and will ally to one side or the other according to that point of the story and their background. Each boss can have sidekicks and lackeys, or be replaced by one of them, these sidekicks will modify the way you play with that band.
Each character will have a Reputation value (is the equivalent to what other games call "cost" or "points"). Also some characters will cost USD because they have some special rules or expensive equipment. Dollars will be used to buy additional equipment for your lackeys as well.
Turn will be divided in several phases, first Plan Preparation. The Motivation score will determine the number of actions each character can take each turn, in this phase you will distribute this tokens forming your plan. The plan is open so the opponent can see where you place your tokens, making a very tactical and deep game.
Then comes the activation phase of the miniature, eachn player take turns activating the habilities of the characters following the previous plan, p.e. Batman can use the Batclaw or throw a Batarang, Bane can use a Titan dosis, a Clown his Insane Laughter... as we release figures you will discover the potential of each character and their rules. Each character will be special and charismatic so the player can feel the resemblace to comics, video games and movies of this wonderful world.
After activation phase the turn is over and any effect or recovery of the characters is resolved (yes!, characters can recover from KO or heal injuries).
Here are the latest pix Tabletop Gaming News has picked from the Fb (seems like):
http://www.tabletopgamingnews.com/2012/10/27/66045/
Killer Croc looks pretty nifty...
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Knight have just posted a release list-
Release list for Batman Miniature Game
November
- Batman
- Joker's crew starter set
- Harley Quinn
- Killer Crock
- Gotham policemen
December
- donwload rules
- Penguin crew starter set
- Catwoman
- Bane
- Nightwing
And more surprises
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I'm not really sure why I'd buy these when I have several hundred heroclix figures in the other room that are easily repainted or converted. Granted they probably won't be as nicely sculpted, but I'm alright with that. For a lot of other hobbyists thought, this will be a must-buy I'm sure.
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I'm not really sure why I'd buy these when I have several hundred heroclix figures in the other room that are easily repainted or converted. Granted they probably won't be as nicely sculpted, but I'm alright with that. For a lot of other hobbyists thought, this will be a must-buy I'm sure.
It is for this one. For me it is the sculpting standard which I expect to be high + Batman-Arkham mythos + gaming potential that is the winning combo. I know it is going to be expensive, but despite that i am very interested to get straight into this.
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Well, many people do seem to be allergic to plastic. Or perhaps it's just to "expensive" hard plastic 8)
ETA: I do hope the KM guys won't be doing their own English kanguage proofreading -- assuming the "donwload rules" are even going to in English o_o
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Some minis are available! Pretty pricey, but pretty pretty! http://www.knightmodels.com/?&id_lang=1
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Unfortunately as much as I like these, £40+ for four 30mm figures (joker gang) just doesn't work for me.
Anyway with new 52 wiping out all reference to Tim Drake as the third robin, DC and I are not talking currently. ;)
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I've only read a few issues on teen titans, but technically isn't Tim still the third? He just calls himself Red Robin instead.
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I've only read a few issues on teen titans, but technically isn't Tim still the third? He just calls himself Red Robin instead.
I *think* DC retconned it with the New 52 Teen Titans tpb to make him only Red Robin and never a Robin.
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Christ, too expensive I'm afraid. I love the figures, and I love Batman, but screw those prices!
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I *think* DC retconned it with the New 52 Tenn Titans tpb to make him only Red Robin and never a Robin.
Yup correct and totally bollocks!!!! They even edited the trade after the floppy to remove Tim's reference to being Robin the boy wonder. Does the current clown in charge of the reboot actually know anything about Tim's importance to the events after death in the family and a lonely place of dying story lines.
Any rant off and I've ordered some of the new dc clicxies so will just download the rules now. Shame knight felt the need to have to milk the licence so hard. :-[
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The price is high because the quality is great. Other ministures are selled in the same price with a common or lesser quality.
The game will use 3 to 12 miniatures, is optional.
Here we are expecting for bane and crew!!!!
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Batman has been out for quite some time (I have two). Size wize, he isn't too far off my normal minis. While he towers over Hasselfree stuff, he looks very in place with some of the larger lines out there.
Anyhow, as I think Batman: Arkham City is arguably one of the best XBOX games ever (and certainly the best SuperHero Xbox game), I'm a huge fan of the look and the line.
I'll be getting them all, damn the price.
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The minis are in the expected range, given the cost of their early release Batman figure. Which is to say they are by no means cheap, as unfortunately you have to pay VAT and p&p (negligeble perhaps if you are in Spain but prolly not if you are anywhere else) on top of the already fairly high listed price. Obviously you can get by with even fewer minis than you can in, say, Infinity or WARMACHINE but they are still priced more @ collector level than @ gamer level.
ETA: Batman has been out for quite some time (I have two). Size wize, he isn't too far off my normal minis. While he towers over Hasselfree stuff, he looks very in place with some of the larger lines out there
Pix plz or it didn't happen 8)
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The price is high because the quality is great. Other ministures are selled in the same price with a common or lesser quality.
The game will use 3 to 12 miniatures, is optional.
Here we are expecting for bane and crew!!!!
Totally disagree. Knight miniatures quality is great but why should it be accepted that three 30mm miniatures should be over £42! Infinity miniatures are of very high quality and as such command a high price. But over 50% AT LEAST less than these look like being.
Appreciated thst licences add a premium but sorry, too high.
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While I do love me some Batman, I agree that the price is discouraging, even for small groups, since I tend to buy a couple of teams for any game I start playing.
But you never know -- sooner or later I'll probably see them somewhere at a price I can afford, and if that happens I'm not averse to snapping 'em up.
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Unfortunately as much as I like these, £40+ for four 30mm figures (joker gang) just doesn't work for me.
Their webstore shows €29,74... Which is still expensive.
I think that these are far too prohibitive in money-terms for me, especially given the number of very decent and affordable alternatives out there.
The StarWars figures I have from KM are also impossibly delicate and gaming-unfriendly (not to mention the number and nature of the bits they all come in). I can see these Batman ones being the same sadly. :?
As for cost comparisons with Infinity figures... Well, many equivalent Infinity figures are still "only" 70% of the price, and I can attest that their quality is overall slightly higher IMO the KM figs I've received.
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Their webstore shows €29,74... Which is still expensive.
Put 'em in your shopping cart, it then adds the VAT - €6,25 for a Total of €35,99 - so the Boxed Set is ACTUALLY £28.85 and not £40+ LoL! €41,99 (£33.65 including basic shipping).
Still pricey though.
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Totally disagree. Knight miniatures quality is great but why should it be accepted that three 30mm miniatures should be over £42! Infinity miniatures are of very high quality and as such command a high price. But over 50% AT LEAST less than these look like being.
Appreciated thst licences add a premium but sorry, too high.
I'm with Commander Vyper on this. We're used to paying a lot for quality (and that's not always true anyway, some cheap figures are great quality), but these prices are insane for gaming.
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Ok so my currency convertor was a little out but you you know what I mean. I'll create a joker inmate gang using modern figures I have to hand with a clown face PJ, grab a heroclix Mr Jo.Ker and use my heroclix, crossover and other supes with the rules if they are digestable of course.
And there's me avoiding the infinity pull cause I thought they were a little pricey! :)
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Put 'em in your shopping cart, it then adds the VAT - €6,25 for a Total of €35,99 - so the Boxed Set is ACTUALLY £28.85 and not £40+ LoL! €41,99 (£33.65 including basic shipping).
Still pricey though.
Yep. But look on the bright side: with the 21% VAT applicable to inter-EU-shopping and a fairly expensive European p&p (which does include VAT as well of course), the rest of the world may well get to pay less for the minis than you Brits or us Finns 8)
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As a bit of an aside, Wayland Games announced in their latest newsletter that they are bringing the KM Batman figs to Brittain, at a bit less dear price per mini than the manufacturer.
ETA: oh and this I seem to have forgotten to ask:
Batman has been out for quite some time (I have two). Size wize, he isn't too far off my normal minis
Have you been able to compare the Bats to the Eden stuff from Taban? I was looking at them again earlier today (a bit before I wrote the original of this message) and started thinking that some of the Jokers in particular might fit in as fillers into the Joker's crew. The word is that they are plenty big but I'm not sure what that means really -- I only have a couple of the beasties (Lycals or whatevertheyarecalled) and I'm not at all sure how big they are supposed to be compared to the humans.
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I compared to a typical size human from Pulp City, and Batman was half to a full head taller than the example minis.
At a guestimate using a grid overlay on the Joker, I think that mini (Joker) will be around 35-38mm.
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Wow that's quite the size difference. If they're that much bigger than even the Pulp City figures I won't be able to use them at all. :S
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I compared to a typical size human from Pulp City, and Batman was half to a full head taller than the example minis
Well, it was said on KM site back in the day before the game that Bats is "35 mm scale" so that stands to reason that he's a reasonably big guy even by today's scale creepy standards. What is the Pulp City declared scale?
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Some info about the rules and game play -
http://pressganger.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/batman-miniature-game-rules-info.html
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Some info about the rules and game play -
http://pressganger.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/batman-miniature-game-rules-info.html
Thanks HB; the translation has me scratching my head a little though, LOL. :)
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I don't know ANY Spanish at all so had to rely on Google Translate.
I think people can still get the idea of what it says though
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The empire strikes back:
http://wizkidsgames.com/blog/2012/11/19/preview-of-the-batman-gotham-city-strategy-game/
It sounds close enough to the KM game concept to be a very thinly veiled rip-off.
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Anyone have Batman yet to do some comparison scale shots?
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Supervike reportedly has two but he's not presented any pictorial evidence yet :P
It would be interesting to get some of those "new 28mm" = 32mm scale figs in the pix, as well as a HeroClix mini. Hint hint. Nudge nudge.
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The empire strikes back:
http://wizkidsgames.com/blog/2012/11/19/preview-of-the-batman-gotham-city-strategy-game/
It sounds close enough to the KM game concept to be a very thinly veiled rip-off.
I'm up for this, sculpts are lovely.
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It does come with a big load of minis but I hardly can think of any use for the board game components. Also, I'm not quite sure yet what to think of the fact that both BMG and GoC have essentially the same concept (tho of course a different mechanic). Obviously ideas aren't copyrightable but this still seems like Hollywood-scale coincidence AKA someone's copying someone's idea.
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Yep, I certainly do have Batman.
I'll do some shots up tonight after work.
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(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y59/supervike/batmanspace.jpg)
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y59/supervike/batman.jpg)
He towers of Hasslefree stuff.
I'm excited for the line, It matters little to me that they won't scale up perfectly with most of my stuff.
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Ugh, I'll be taking the quality hit on the clix I think. :?
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He towers of Hasslefree stuff
Thx. Looks to be one of them newfangled 32mm models at heart so I guess the declared 35mm scale is top-of-the-head.
The price is still a bit high tho. Must mull this over.
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Posing isn't there pda and batarang, whilst appreciate are game accurate, look clunky.
Some very nice clix sculpts out there with the new range and i got nightwing, red robin, batman and batgirl for £12 including postage. Any number of companies have appropriate goons, (crooked dice minions would work well as Arkham inmates for example).
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Not convinced about Clix figs sizes tho, personally. Some seem to be about the same as KM Batman figs but I hear there's a lot of variance :?
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This game has shown great popularity so far even though there are no rules until the downloadable rules come online in December. I for one have definitely jumped on the fan wagon with this. Although 35mm rules out the possibility of adding other ranges to your game, I think the benefit you have is although costly it only requires up to 12 models. Compare this to other leading franchise and you still walk away with enjoyable entertainment for less than the cost of unnamed franchise battle forces. Plus you get to game with some absolutely stunning tabletop mini's - probably some of the best looking to ever appear on the TT - apart from the new Infinity sculpt :P
I think discount retail stores like us will help the gamer be able to invest in this at a much cheaper cost. Plus HeroClix is definitely NOT the way forward for the painter/gamer :P
Just my pennies eh?
TSD
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Although 35mm rules out the possibility of adding other ranges to your game, I think the benefit you have is although costly it only requires up to 12 models
If the (older) Batman fig shown above is an indication, they aren't that huge tho. Prolly a little large even compared to the current fad of 32mm actually, unlike I first thought when I saw the pix, but not necessarily too much so.
Plus HeroClix is definitely NOT the way forward for the painter/gamer
Well, not for a painter I'm certain, but not all gamers are that interested in painting... I'm not for example 8)
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I'd rather paint a Batman that's shorter than the Hulk, even if the quality is less. :? Also, every mini I own is 28mm (give or take) so the KM stuff may as well be Hank Pym as Batman.
Also they may be lesser quality, but at least they're not "jus' standin' there":
(http://www.trollandtoad.com/images/products/pictures/237823.jpg)
(http://www.trollandtoad.com/images/products/pictures/237849.jpg)
(http://www.trollandtoad.com/images/products/pictures/929233.jpg)
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I'm going to need to see some side by side comparisons of Knight models Batman line against other miniature lines to see how they scale up before I can make a decision as to weather or not I will invest in these or not.
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I'm going to need to see some side by side comparisons of Knight models Batman line against other miniature lines to see how they scale up
Yep, more would definitely be the merrier in addition to the ones Supervike kindly posted. Especially I'm waiting to see comparison shots between them, HeroClix and any officially 32mm scale "real" miniatures. And a measuring scale wouldn't go amiss placed next to the KM figs either.
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We are expecting our delivery any time now... So as soon as we have received them we will do an unboxing on our 'whats in the box' blog on our web store and will place next to a Space Marine Terminator, and a measure for scale.
TSD
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Sounds good...
(http://images.sodahead.com/profiles/0/0/3/2/8/6/0/0/3/picardhillarymakeitso-91296034590.jpeg)
And do throw in a Mantic Enforcer and a "human infantry" model from SodaPop as well as the more usual suspects (AKA GW minis) while you're at it 8)
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People really make me smile when it comes to miniatures prices really, raw material prices constantly climbing for metal miniatures notwithstanding (ask Andy Foster of Heresy Miniatures, and he will tell you how painful that is) - yet people rarely moan about the price of electronic games, which generally only have a couple of quid of raw materials in them.
ANYTHING is only worth the price that people are prepared to pay - and this is especially true IMHO with licensed ranges.
Such ranges aren't produced overnight (and bear in mind Knight Models haven't jumped on the Kickstarter bandwagon to produce this game, they have stumped the cash up front).
They would have to do a concept art piece, then send it off to DC to get it approved - if not, another "design" is then created - "rinse and repeat" till it's given the go ahead.
Then a sculpt is prepared, again it has to be given the green-light before its mastered - and once again this is a "rinse and repeat" process until the sculpt is given the thumbs up.
Then there is the "deal" with DC/Warner Group - which is NOT going to be cheap - I reckon WizKids "made out like a bandit" with their original deal for Heroclix (one can only presume that NECA kept the same or a similar deal), plus they are produced in some Asian sweatshop for a pittance (if you want to "get into" the moral implications, logically I would presume that people who buy lots of Heroclix are supporting low pay and poor working conditions - but I digress.
Deals for licensing usually involve a chunk of cash up front and/or a slice of the price of each miniature.
THEN Kinght Models (and any retailers who sell them) have to make their profit as well (or there's no point in producing the damn things to begin with LoL) - when you factor that in, and compare them to to the prices other miniature companies sometimes charge for unlicensed Miniatures (the Evil Empire being the most obvious target) you consider these factors, the Batman Miniatures from Knight Models though pricey - aren't that "painfully" expensive considering they are an officially licensed product, and many other expensive miniatures ranges are not.
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All great points V-H.
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People really make me smile when it comes to miniatures prices really, raw material prices constantly climbing for metal miniatures notwithstanding (ask Andy Foster of Heresy Miniatures, and he will tell you how painful that is) - yet people rarely moan about the price of electronic games, which generally only have a couple of quid of raw materials in them
Luckily, I don't do electronic games so I assume that gives me licence to moan lol
ETA: more to the point...
http://www.beastsofwar.com/knight-models/batman-miniatures-game/slinky-selina-kyle-appears-knight-models/
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The last video game I bought was $15. The Last mini was $20.
All that I'm getting at is;
1. KM stuff is expensive when compared to what *I* usually buy (Reaper, Bolt Action, Eureka etc).
2. The Scale difference makes me desire these models less (everything I own is 28mm, give or take).
3. For the premium price and considering I can't really use the figs for another game, I'd expect a little more dynamism in the posing, like GW's later Inquisitor pieces.
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Just seen that cat woman mini. Totally uninspiring sculpt. Clearly the sculptor(s) have no passion for the project such a shame.
Just take a look a Hush (parts1&2) for some amazing catwoman artwork, in the arkham style perfect for this project, sadly overlooked.
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The last video game I bought was $15. The Last mini was $20.
All that I'm getting at is;
1. KM stuff is expensive when compared to what *I* usually buy (Reaper, Bolt Action, Eureka etc).
2. The Scale difference makes me desire these models less (everything I own is 28mm, give or take).
3. For the premium price and considering I can't really use the figs for another game, I'd expect a little more dynamism in the posing, like GW's later Inquisitor pieces.
Just out of curiosity, was that game new or second hand . . . .
Reaper, Bolt Action, Eureka - not licensed, bigger operations/been in business longer, own casting facilities etc - that keeps prices down.
See that I respect, because that point is more about aesthetics than anything else.
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BMG minis reportedly come with a stat card. No surprise there really but do I wonder if KM will make the stats available separately from the minis.
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BMG minis reportedly come with a stat card. No surprise there really but do I wonder if KM will make the stats available separately from the minis.
They will have to, at least for Batman, based on the fact that mini has been around a while prior to the game being talked about, and without stat card in that time.
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Yes the game was 2nd hand, but then I'm not really a gamer. Know what I do spend money on? Miniatures.
Also, maybe Eureka et al aren't "licensed", but I have about 100 Heroclix and Star Wars plastics in various stages of completion that do the job just fine. Check out my Ultimate Alliance thread, I think the clix come up great with a little work, especially considering that they're worth about $1 each.
That said, I dropped $500 on a camera recently, but I'm happy with that because that's what a camera costs. A mini of Batman that fits with my collection costs $1, an oversize, dull-posed Batman that towers over Space Marines that I don't have costs a bit more than that. :?
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Hmm...I really like the Catwoman sculpt. I'll be buying that one too.
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Ms. Kyle doesn't need moah b00bz IMHO but the hat looks a little funny. And yes I've already been told it's as it should be, thank you 8)
Anyhow, here's an unboxing of the Joker's gang box by a recently joined forumite cum shop owner:
http://www.supplydropzone.co.uk/whatsinthebox/read_67631/batman-ac-unboxing-joker-crew.html
Measurements he's taken would indicate the size is compatible with your typical 32mm figs (unsurprisingly both Bats and the Joker are tall guys), such as the Eden ones (in fact those might be just a tad taller, being ca. 32mm to the eyes as I hear). It would've been even nicer to have some in the pix (and a measure) too, but maybe next time :)
Anyway, it's good news because ubiquitousness is a big plus given the rather high price point.
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Well, durn. I wonder how I will go about getting a Batman stat card? There wasn't anything in my blisters.
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Mine arrived this Morning, love them all - fantastic!
My Batman had a card too lol
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I wonder how I will go about getting a Batman stat card?
One might assume the cards would be available online in one's future lightcone. One might of course be wrong -- they might for example be available for extra € in a printed form, or only in the boxes alongside the minis --in which case a pissed e-mail to KM might just do the trick.
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Most likely, I'll never play the game anyhow...
Not sure why I'd need the card....
(probably because I'm a hoarder when it comes to minis o_o)
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I haven't been following this thread from the beginning so forgive me if I've missed something obvious, but are there now pictures of these minis next to well known models? I'd love to see some comparison shots.
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I haven't been following this thread from the beginning so forgive me if I've missed something obvious, but are there now pictures of these minis next to well known models? I'd love to see some comparison shots.
Posted on Tales of a Tabletop Skirmisher:
http://pressganger.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/batman-pulp-city-miniatures-comparison.html
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Thank you!
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Bane looks dressed for the festive season :P
http://www.beastsofwar.com/knight-models/batman-miniatures-game/batmans-bane-pays-knight-models-sneaky-visit/
Well, of course he looked rather like that in the AC comp game too so one can't complain really.
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For those who like the "latest look" better than "old school":
http://www.beastsofwar.com/knight-models/batman-miniatures-game/nolans-batman-appears-knight-models/
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Spanish version of the rules and special abilities are up. Also, Nightwing and Penquin's Gang get into mugshots.
http://www.beastsofwar.com/knight-models/batman-miniatures-game/batman-miniatures-game-finally/
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A very emanciated looking Scarecrow joins the ranks of the villains:
http://www.beastsofwar.com/knight-models/batman-miniatures-game/enter-world-madness-scarecrow-knight-models/
The English version of the rules is still being worked on, apparently. Hopefully it bodes well for the spelling and such 8)
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Excellent. I've not got any of the minis yet except for batman. I'm waiting for cool mini to stock them. I've been told they are still expecting the sets a anytime but they are still somewhere in no mans land.
The scarecrow looks great, but I'm surprised we haven't seen a robin yet. Also I'm really hoping for a Tom Hardyesque bane.
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Also I'm really hoping for a Tom Hardyesque bane.
The first Bane out is an Arkham City Bane -
(http://www.knightmodels.com/img/p/154-977-thickbox.jpg)
As there are several pieces of artwork in the Spanish rules based on Dark Knight Rises, including Bane - AND they have already done a Dark Knight Rises Batman, I have a feeling your wishes are going to be granted . . . . .
(http://www.knightmodels.com/img/p/153-974-thickbox.jpg)
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Yes, most probably they will. They have that kind of Bane in their 70mm. range
http://www.knightmodels.com/product.php?id_product=135
If they are casting a 35mm Dark Knight Rises Batman, I'd bet for a Dark Knight Rises Bane too. The cinema looking characters can bring some new buyers to the bunch.
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Yes, most probably they will. They have that kind of Bane in their 70mm. range
http://www.knightmodels.com/product.php?id_product=135
If they are casting a 35mm Dark Knight Rises Batman, I'd bet for a Dark Knight Rises Bane too. The cinema looking characters can bring some new buyers to the bunch.
Hope so; I would like a breadth of range.
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Yes, most probably they will. They have that kind of Bane in their 70mm. range
http://www.knightmodels.com/product.php?id_product=135
If they are casting a 35mm Dark Knight Rises Batman, I'd bet for a Dark Knight Rises Bane too. The cinema looking characters can bring some new buyers to the bunch.
Theres a picture of Heath Ledgers Joker in the rules too . . . . .
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Ah...yeah a Heath Ledger Joker in 35mm :-* :-*.
I wish Cool Mini would hurry up and stock this.....
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More previews:
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Tom Hardy Bane!!! WOOT!
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I'll be getting all of these.
I finally just got wave One today.
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Talia looks a little odd. Poor posture too. The rest are spiffy.
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Yeah, I agree. Also Banes left hand looks a bit stumpy. But, hopefully that's just the angle.
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The English rules are available for free download:
http://www.knightmodels.com/nueva/index.php/shop/show/viewcategory/batman-miniature-game/IdCat_product/31
You still need the minis or at the very least the character cards to play, but the latter don't seem to available excpect with the former (as yet anyway).
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Downloaded!
I've got my Wave one minis mostly assembled. Really hoping for some warmer weather, so I can undercoat them with spray paint.
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Yeah, I agree. Also Banes left hand looks a bit stumpy. But, hopefully that's just the angle.
(http://carlosnightman.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/snf0126xx280_428573a.jpg)
I'm tempted to pick up some of this stuff, even though I'm not the biggest bat fan in the world. Good for campaigns and the like, I reckon, with Batman being a now and then terror used by the GM to mess plans up.
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Purchased my joker crew today. Any recommend where to get some 32mm civilians from for me to use as hostages?
Any recommendations on gotham city style terrain as well?
Thanks.
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Recommendations on terrain depend on if you want the Gothic dark and brooding stuff or you want a more believable normal city.
The Gothic stuff could start with some WarHammer 40,000 stuff and adding those accessories to other buildings as well to "Gothic them up"
If you want a more Nolan movie look, Foamboard buildings with simple brick patterns would work better, maybe some sky scrapers as well.
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Maybe look at Sarissa Precision and Micro Arts Wolsung laser cut buildings, or something like Ziterdes buildings for an urban city center feel. using a darker palette of gresy and browns could evoke a nicely dark 'Gotham'.
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Enlgish translation is not the greatest, but for free I can't complain!
Anyone tried playing or have a review?
The English rules are available for free download:
http://www.knightmodels.com/nueva/index.php/shop/show/viewcategory/batman-miniature-game/IdCat_product/31
You still need the minis or at the very least the character cards to play, but the latter don't seem to available excpect with the former (as yet anyway).
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Enlgish translation is not the greatest, but for free I can't complain!
Anyone tried playing or have a review?
No yet; waiting to base and paint some minis first.
However, on looking i found it easier to understand the rules framework from the reference sheets than from the rule book.
I *think* the author has indicated that this is an earlier draft and the 'proper' version should replace it at some point.
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Maybe look at Sarissa Precision and Micro Arts Wolsung laser cut buildings, or something like Ziterdes buildings for an urban city center feel. using a darker palette of gresy and browns could evoke a nicely dark 'Gotham'.
That's what I'm going for in my Gotham Project (pics in another thread). I've only done a Warbases warehouse so far, but Sarissa are definitely in my plan. What's nice about their stuff is that gargoyles and such wouldn't look to out of place if done well.
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You have to remember the Arkham City setting for the Batman Miniatures Game, it's NOT Gotham City - its the roughest tenement areas of Gotham "walled off" and combined with Blackgate Prison and Arkham Asylum to make one huge Penitentiary.
Think rough, grungy, broken down and vandalized.
Escape from New York would be a good place to start for the "look and feel" of things, Andy Lyon of Ainsty Castings helped me plan out a small 2' by 2' layout of something "suitable" for my games.
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So, you can only play the game like it was in the computer game? I didn't think it was like that :( I was hoping to use the rules to play some games set in other periods of Batmans timeline and other locals of Gotham.
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I'm not sure there is a strict stipulation to play only Arkham City even tho the focus of the game looks to be sorta in that direction. However, with the caveat that I have only seen a single character stat sheet (which may or may not be a beta version of some sort), I do believe that character cards are rather tied to the look of the miniature: if it looks like it's from the AC game then it has the "gamelike" stats, if it looks like it comes from the Nolan movies then it has somewhat different stats tho it's sorta the same guy. It might be possible there are going to be even more versions of the stat sheets down the line.
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Not that it would even be possible to enforce a rule that you can only play in an Arkham City setting, of course.
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If you are going for a "nolan-esqe" setting (and the Movie Characters have totally different stats btw) you need to stay away from the "quant" look of the sarissa buildings.
The Fat Dragon paper terrain has a more modern city-block look to it, and I reckon thats far more appropriate.
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Quaint? There walkways and bus shelters look great to me. Good to do the train stations out of the first Nolan movie. The buildings can look great, just need to dress em up a bit with some detritus and graffiti, fire escapes and what not, then they could look like the narrows in my opinion. But each there own, i dont like paper train personally.
I guess the stats being like they are in the movie or game is ok. I guess i can use them to play out some of my own fave scenarios and stories in the comics, just get the right stat line that matches the comic book villain or hero better.
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Even though the scale might be a little off as its 28mm terrain to 32mm for Knight models, how would the plasticville buildings fit with the game? Bit of darker paintjob and it has that deco style look I associate with Batman.
Anyone used Dark House Games before? They legit?
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You can (of course) use what you want - I myself have three setups in motion. The grungy depths of Arkham City, a more quaint look using Sarissa, and an Industrial Complex.
The real issue is scale though, as the Batman Miniatures Game is 35mm and it looks kinda "big" compared to a lot of Terrain.
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My joker crew packet hasn't got any stat cards with it, but the individual packets have? Anyone else had this problem or is it just me?
Companies website is a bit rubbish as well, so can't really see an email address on there.
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I generally contact them through their Facebook Page, they've never taken more than a day to respond either.
http://www.facebook.com/knightmodels (http://www.facebook.com/knightmodels)
Thats really unusual about the cards though.
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I generally contact them through their Facebook Page, they've never taken more than a day to respond either.
http://www.facebook.com/knightmodels (http://www.facebook.com/knightmodels)
Thats really unusual about the cards though.
Read an unboxing of the same box on a blog and they should be in there. I'll telephone the shop in the morning and ask them to check another box and send the missing cards to me.
Casting quality isn't great, BTW. Just put Harley Together and it was flash everywhere and very fragile. Perhaps I've been spoilt by Corvus Bellis quality.......
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They are fiddly little things!!
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They are fiddly little things!!
The metal is quite soft compared to the standard alloy that seems to be in use now. Had to be really careful when holding the mini whilst filing the lines as stuff was bending all over the place.
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Casting quality isn't great, BTW. Just put Harley Together and it was flash everywhere and very fragile. Perhaps I've been spoilt by Corvus Bellis quality.......
AGAIN other than me breaking Mr. Freezes Freeze Gun (with my clumsy meat claws) mine have been spot on - maybe I got lucky (if I did, it's a first LoL)
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AGAIN other than me breaking Mr. Freezes Freeze Gun (with my clumsy meat claws) mine have been spot on - maybe I got lucky (if I did, it's a first LoL)
In fairness, I did only do Harley Quinn, so perhaps the others will be better.
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Apparently theres a whole batch of Joker Crew boxes out there without the stat cards in them, so buyer beware!
Should be fine to get replacements, but its a hassle nonetheless.
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Yea, they had a similar issue with Catwomans left Arm :(
Leaving out a bunch of cards is a whole other Boardgame though lol
Ah the joys of the packers :D
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I had a read through the rules yesterday. The concepts/mechanics look interesting. I like what I saw.
The translation is sloppy bad and awkward, however, verging on unintelligible. Apparently getting an English spell-checker was beyond them. Some of the phrasing is extremely awkward as well and hopefully will change.
I am guessing that this company is run by an artist from a rich family. It would explain how such a big name license with such beautiful models could have so many problems in execution. I hope they can get their act together eventually. Still teetering on whether to actually spend the $250 USD to get enough models to run a fun and varied game.
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Batman's little helper shows up... As well as hints of KM game's scope boardening ???
http://www.beastsofwar.com/knight-models/batman-miniatures-game/meet-knight-models-boy-gotham/
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It's MUCH better than just Robin . . . . .
(http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/66981_548084288558874_1473636169_n.jpg)
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The Deathstroke and Green Arrow are great, but I don't really like the Robin figure much. I'm still not sold on this line, simply because 'clix are cheaper, easy to get and easy to touch up / mod. But I'm still watching with interest to see if there's something that comes out that will make me buy in.
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I really like the Robin and the Green Arrow!! Not too enthused about Deathstroke....maybe cuz I never cared much for the character.
I wish they'd get these at the CMoN store soon!
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I don't mind the Robin sculpt.
Prefer these over the clix ones by a long chalk. Clix look a bit, well, ...........shit.
Cheap for a reason! I do think that KM have cut a few costs on the metals used though as this stuff is a bit too soft for its own good and is like the old lead minis in the 90's.
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Regardless of Clix being shit (or not as the case may be), any idea if KM are going to sell the BMG stat sheets separately at any point?
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Regardless of Clix being shit (or not as the case may be), any idea if KM are going to sell the BMG stat sheets separately at any point?
I seriously doubt it, that would financial suicide - you need the profiles to play the game, so they include them with the miniatures. If you can get the profiles separately, no need to buy the miniatures . . . .
So like I said, I doubt it.
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I doubt it as well, unless they plan to add something when the main rulebook gets a proper release.
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I doubt it as well, unless they plan to add something when the main rulebook gets a proper release.
Considering the profit on miniatures compared to books, I doubt that as well . . . .
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Well, I'm just in it for the minis.
So, the game rules don't really bother me much at all.
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Well, I'm just in it for the minis.
So, the game rules don't really bother me much at all.
Im in it for both :D
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I seriously doubt it, that would financial suicide - you need the profiles to play the game, so they include them with the miniatures. If you can get the profiles separately, no need to buy the miniatures
That's prolly how they figure it, yes, what with their chosen scale which is upward of most other supers stuff too. They're creating a quite hermetic little corner of the Bat-verse. Given the primary miniature competition is cheaper by something like an order of magnitude they may well be right on the right track, tho in regards to just their game the approach makes it close to impossible to try out and resultantly makes its incentive value very close to zero as well.
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Current scales are "creeping" upwards towards 35mm at the moment, the latest batch of Heroclix I've seen though still all over the place scale wise are bigger - pretty soon "heroic scale" will be 35mm scale anyway (Wild West Exodus are doing it too).
Whilst I appreciate your point about "try before you buy" - that logic also baffles me somewhat, a set of rules are what you make of it (or there wouldn't be so many rule-sets out there) it's the fluff and the look of the miniatures that (personally) attract me to a game.
BUT if you are desperate to see - download the English Rules from the Knight Models Website (http://www.knightmodels.com/nueva/ (http://www.knightmodels.com/nueva/)), and try a "Batman vs Batman" test game (My friend Gustavo who worked on the Rules put up the Batman Card on his Blog - http://mistycball.blogspot.com.es/ (http://mistycball.blogspot.com.es/))
(https://lh3.ggpht.com/-HgzNuoik4K0/UKYwKrTTdmI/AAAAAAAAAX4/OTvhw65mtik/s1600/batmanblog+final.png)
"Ask and ye shall receive" . . . ..
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Current scales are "creeping" upwards towards 35mm at the moment, the latest batch of Heroclix I've seen though still all over the place scale wise are bigger - pretty soon "heroic scale" will be 35mm scale anyway (Wild West Exodus are doing it too)
That doesn't mean that KS scale is compatible with most of the superhero or modern stuff that's on the market today tho. Nor is the scale of Clix either here or there especially if it's "all over the place". If one or two models that happen to fit in the Batverse are 35mm that doesn't make KS minis "compatible with other supers stuff".
Whilst I appreciate your point about "try before you buy" - that logic also baffles me somewhat, a set of rules are what you make of it (or there wouldn't be so many rule-sets out there) it's the fluff and the look of the miniatures that (personally) attract me to a game
Well, obviously if you don't care for the rules then the game's incentive value is zero to you anyway... Doesn't make my "logic" faulty or baffling: sure you can do a Batman vs. Batman game (that's the only stat card I've seen, luckily it looks like it was officially approved to be put out) or in a pinch you can make up stats for a character or three so it's not quite impossible to try them out, it's just that doing a game that is representative in any way is in practice impossible and that makes the point of publishing the rules for free almost completely moot. They don't do anything much for people like me who might want a decent game to go with the figs and they do nothing for people who find rules an icing on the cake anyhow.
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The free rules are actually a precursor to a print version as far as I am aware.
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Knight Models have kindly made the Cards available as a Download - go to the link for each model, and the DL Link for the card is on each Models Page.
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Well, what you know, a financial suicide :P
Have to head over to Facebook and thank them for this.
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Been thinking of trying the game out. I really like the models and the free rules and supporting PDF stuff is nice.
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Well that was nice of them! Went and downloaded all the cards.
If they can come out with a legible English translation of the rules I'll make the investment in the figs.
Odd to me that all of the cards say "Certified Insane"--even for the heroes. I guess it's a graphic design detail meant just to be an interesting background, but it sort of looks like a label.
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Well that was nice of them! Went and downloaded all the cards.
If they can come out with a legible English translation of the rules I'll make the investment in the figs.
Odd to me that all of the cards say "Certified Insane"--even for the heroes. I guess it's a graphic design detail meant just to be an interesting background, but it sort of looks like a label.
Yea, it is just part of the artwork to the theme...the rules are not badly written, could be worse with the translation. I suspect they may have used software...or someone with bad grasp of English as a second language.
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I suppose when someone manages to play a game or three they can make suggestions as to how to make in more intelligible in regards to both the expression and the content of the rules 8)
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I suppose when someone manages to play a game or three they can make suggestions as to how to make in more intelligible in regards to both the expression and the content of the rules 8)
I used to work in IT and now do Contracts, so editing and revising things is what I am used to. I plan to edit their stuff to fix the errors for my own copy. After reading more and the credits, yea, ESL was the issue...my boss is ESL also and she often asks me for a word she has trouble with in Spanish to English.
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I guess the question is, has anyone played this game yet? Other than the bad English translations, it seems like a well thought out game.
Are there any battle reports?
I was thinking of getting Batman, Green Arrow, Croc and the Penguin and crew to start, roughly works out the same in points. If things go well expand, a buddy said he would get the Joker and crew then.
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I guess the question is, has anyone played this game yet? Other than the bad English translations, it seems like a well thought out game.
Are there any battle reports?
I was thinking of getting Batman, Green Arrow, Croc and the Penguin and crew to start, roughly works out the same in points. If things go well expand, a buddy said he would get the Joker and crew then.
I've been looking around for a while and am yet to find any battle reports at all.
Rulebook has translation problems, but I don't think it's as bad as some have said. It'll all come clear once I actually get a game under my belt.
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I've been looking around for a while and am yet to find any battle reports at all.
Rulebook has translation problems, but I don't think it's as bad as some have said. It'll all come clear once I actually get a game under my belt.
I've found a few images that looks like someone played games, but no reports.
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I guess the question is, has anyone played this game yet? Other than the bad English translations, it seems like a well thought out game
Now that it's actually possible to test the rules I did read them but I won't have a chance to play for a while. Based on reading alone, it does have some nice sounding and less beaten to death ideas in it. I think I'll probably buy the rulebook but I do hope they accept some corrections to the text before printing it. At some points it's close to unintelligible as it stands.
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Something to consider when thinking about pushback rules & such:
https://sciencebasedlife.wordpress.com/2013/03/17/pow-teaching-physics-with-batman/
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Well looking forwards to my orders arriving! In the meantime I was wondering if anyone knows of any figs in the same scale that old work as either civvies, Tyger security, inmates or cops? It'd be nice to flesh out the game :)
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Well looking forwards to my orders arriving! In the meantime I was wondering if anyone knows of any figs in the same scale that old work as either civvies, Tyger security, inmates or cops? It'd be nice to flesh out the game :)
Just be Patient ;)
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Aaahwwww
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Aaahwwww
I can say no more LoL!
The next releases COULD be a "biggish" selection, if they are all ready in time (according to Gustavo)
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I am watching this as a sideline, the cost is a bit intimidating but the quality is also very good. If I can get caught up enough on my Bolt Action collecting I may try a few figs out and the rules.
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I've been a Batman Nut since I was six, so I jumped straight in - the Guys at Knight have been great - any problems and they sort them promptly.
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I was wondering if anyone knows of any figs in the same scale that old work as either civvies, Tyger security, inmates or cops? It'd be nice to flesh out the game :)
Judging by Joker and his goons they shouldn't be too far out of scale with the newish 32mm lines:
http://www.supplydropzone.co.uk/whatsinthebox/read_67631/batman-ac-unboxing-joker-crew.html
Arkham City Batman at least is likely a good bit taller but I suppose it doesn't matter too much since
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-aofPn5Vv6qc/TptxRfi3f6I/AAAAAAAAKfU/XY1Lrcn0QLg/s1600/tgdbm.jpg)
Any old sk00l "real 28mm" stuff is bound to be too small IMCO.
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Off the back of my earlier post anyone got recommendations for where to buy these from in the UK, I placed an order with a retailer but frankly they are being a bit slow.
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Wayland Games and the Supply Drop I just linked to above are currently the only places that I know of.
http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/batman-arkham-city-miniatures-game/cat_1557.html
http://www.supplydropzone.co.uk/ourshop/cat_668477-Batman-Arkham-City-Miniatures.html
Wayland works well enough for us bloody furriners at least, no idea about the other place.
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Off the back of my earlier post anyone got recommendations for where to buy these from in the UK, I placed an order with a retailer but frankly they are being a bit slow.
Firestorm games had mine out in the post the same day I placed the order with them. When the cards were missing from the Joker box, they got straight onto it and I received them about 10 days later.
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I've been a Batman Nut since I was six, so I jumped straight in - the Guys at Knight have been great - any problems and they sort them promptly.
When I was a kid, mom took me to the Ford place to get Bert Ward's autograph. They did a staged thing where he drove up the Batmobile chasing someone dressed at catwoman, they had a fight in the dealership showroom and then he signed autographs...I still have it!
Met Adam West several times also, I grew up on the old school Batman!
My other complaint is there is no US distribution, so when I do order by the sounds of it, not only are they slow but I also have to wait for the goods to be shipped overseas.
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See Firestorm Games for me seem to have done sod all since I placed the order. I shall be patient however.
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My other complaint is there is no US distribution, so when I do order by the sounds of it, not only are they slow but I also have to wait for the goods to be shipped overseas.
Try Battleroadhobbies.com, he's supposed to have stuff.
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See Firestorm Games for me seem to have done sod all since I placed the order. I shall be patient however.
They've always been really fast when I've used them!
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When I was a kid, mom took me to the Ford place to get Bert Ward's autograph. They did a staged thing where he drove up the Batmobile chasing someone dressed at catwoman, they had a fight in the dealership showroom and then he signed autographs...I still have it!
Met Adam West several times also, I grew up on the old school Batman!
Very cool! Wouln't it be great if KM did the TV Batman and Robin as a couple of variants (since some are appearing). :)
My other complaint is there is no US distribution, so when I do order by the sounds of it, not only are they slow but I also have to wait for the goods to be shipped overseas.
Look at Knight Models on CoolMiniOrNot.
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Very cool! Wouln't it be great if KM did the TV Batman and Robin as a couple of variants (since some are appearing). :)
Look at Knight Models on CoolMiniOrNot.
I'll check both, I would not mind finding a spot that gives a bit of a price break.
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Try Battleroadhobbies.com, he's supposed to have stuff.
*facepalm* just peeked, great they have a catalog, guess I will email them, one of the first two starter items I wanted is out of stock....
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I got my stuff from Cool Mini or Not, and I know Fantization carries the line as well.
I still waiting for more than the first wave to make it here though.
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I got my stuff from Cool Mini or Not, and I know Fantization carries the line as well.
I still waiting for more than the first wave to make it here though.
I will have to check the other site out. Cool Mini is showing out of stock on a few items also.
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Hurrah they finally arrived! First thoughts are I suspect just like everyone else's, the sculpts are great, he casting less so. Thankfully I'm reasonable with the modelling putty and have been able to crack on. Will post photos when I have the first minis done!
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Upcoming greens
Gordon
(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt247/knightmodels2/GORDONweb_zpsf5987e20.jpg)
Sickle
(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt247/knightmodels2/SICKLEweb_zps7f5d344c.jpg)
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Gordon looks superb, exactly as I'd imagined him!
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Definitely the Gary Oldman version, and not so much the Arkham City version. (not complaining!)
Sickle looks great too! Really want both of these.
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Gordon looks cool, but really sickle? bleah! The sculpt is nice but they could have picked other figs instead like: Two Face, Riddler, Poison Ivy, Huntress and Deadshot to name a few. I know just off that list I would get Deadshot, Huntress, Poison Ivy and the Riddler at least...
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The Riddler is coming - don't worry . . . .
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The Riddler is coming - don't worry . . . .
I always liked the Riddler from the Adam West Batman stuff and then Mark Hammil as the Riddler in the Flash series....I know he and two face are factions and I saw Ivy in the books so to referece her in the artwork means she will be done at some point.
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ACTUALLY Mark Hamill played "The Trickster" in the Flash (The Trickster is a Flash Villain, the Riddler is a Batman Villain)
(http://fancydresscostumes.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Flash-Villain-The-Trickster-Mark-Hammil.jpeg)
(http://i47.tinypic.com/2lndbsz.jpg)
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Yea, that's right! Heh, I loved those type of characters in general like Trickster, Riddler and such!
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Mark was the best at the Voice for the Joker in various Animated Series too :D
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I always liked the Riddler from the Adam West Batman stuff and then Mark Hammil as the Riddler in the Flash series....I know he and two face are factions and I saw Ivy in the books so to referece her in the artwork means she will be done at some point.
Mark Hammil played the Trickster in the Flash tv show.:)
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Mark Hammil played the Trickster in the Flash tv show.:)
Yep managed to fumble what I was thinking, I like both types of characters Trickster and Riddler was the intent! ;D
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I've actually seen a picture now Styx, I wish I could share it (but I've been asked not too) - its really nice though ;) of what (I imagine you are thinking) it's a "Riddle" it really is :D
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I've actually seen a picture now Styx, I wish I could share it (but I've been asked not too) - its really nice though ;) of what (I imagine you are thinking) it's a "Riddle" it really is :D
Riddle me this VH! What is said to be but is not? But only in a tease, or whatnot? Till it is seen it won't be beleived! o_o
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Had a game last night and its really good fun. The poor translation caused problems with missing/misnamed rules, but the main engine worked quite well and we'd sussed it by the last few turns.
No pics as it was a rules test, but Batman won on objectives. Had Joker landed a plump gunshot in BM's back, it would have been a different story!
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Knight models added a new batch of figs up including the Riddler, more goons including some Joker Clown guys, Gordon and a Swat Team and Sickle.
No stat cards yet! :'(
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(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt247/knightmodels2/CARRUSELjClowns-copia_zps5e1f722e.jpg) (http://s616.photobucket.com/user/knightmodels2/media/CARRUSELjClowns-copia_zps5e1f722e.jpg.html)[/quote]
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Not keen on the Riddler but the rest are pretty spiffy (apart from the rightmost prisoner who looks like he has overlong arms).
Eagerly awaiting comparison shots with other modern minis lines... 8)
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Their painted examples are very nicely done.
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Yea, they have a pro painter on board. They do a great job.
I see stat cards have appeared for all of them. Wow! Sickle is almost as much as Penguin.
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Christ, too expensive I'm afraid. I love the figures, and I love Batman, but screw those prices!
Something I found with these is that the Knight Models website has the rules for playing available for free download, as well as the character cards (just need to click on each character to get the links for the cards).
They are in scale with Heroclix, so wouldn't be that hard to substitute the figures.
Best pic I have found showing the HC and KM figures side by side
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ZfRWYD_Qqi8/UYfGi1kIkAI/AAAAAAAABns/lz4WV6kIo_E/s320/photo+1.JPG)
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Those pictures are from my blog and it's worth noting that I'm deliberately using larger scale HC figures from more recent sets as they're significantly larger than earlier sculpts. You kind of need to see HC figures in person before you can know that they're right.
I'm happy to pay for the few KM sculpts that I don't have suitable HC models for - Killer Croc, Bane, Mr Freeze, Deathstroke, possibly Catwoman. However, if I can find decent alternatives in the right scale (such as using Crossover for Nightwing and Robin) the I will as the KM sculpts aren't that much better after they've been abused by my paintbrush.
Bottom line is, you can get into the KM game without breaking the bank, but it takes a little effort on your part if scale matters.
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(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/p480x480/397824_357427087690949_1275374123_n.jpg)
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That looks like one I'll be picking up.
Has anybody actually played the game yet? I've just got around to downloading the rules and cards, but would be interested in how it stacks up against similar games.
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That looks like one I'll be picking up.
Has anybody actually played the game yet? I've just got around to downloading the rules and cards, but would be interested in how it stacks up against similar games.
I've played and it was pretty enjoyable. Translation caused a few moments searching for things, but overall quite good.
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Can't see anything wrong with that, after all Fantasy Flight Games's Mutant Chronicles CMG has been a smashing success!
The only ones I knew of that were excited about MC were those that were still trying to play Inquisitor. It was the right scale and gave users more selection of figures that didn't break the bank.
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Uffda! This one is my favorite yet.
I 'play' the video game Arkham City with this skin....
(http://www.knightmodels.com/nueva/media/shop/images/products/WebBatmanFrank%20copia.jpg)
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The Dark Knight version of the Joker. Keen.
http://www.beastsofwar.com/batman-miniatures-game/joker-plans-batmans-demise-knight-models/
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Noticed they've just posted their Man of Steel figure on their Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/knightmodels
It's not amazingly accurate, but I really like it. Weird that they've done classic colour palette on the new MoS image. And do they have a licence for Superman movies?
Those [very minor] quibbles aside, this plus the last Batman might tempt me into purchasing a few.
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Yeah, I have the same reservations about the Man Of Steel, but I'm just glad to have one to go with my Arkham City models. I'll definitely get one.
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Yeah, I have the same reservations about the Man Of Steel, but I'm just glad to have one to go with my Arkham City models. I'll definitely get one.
Now if only they would post the stat cards for the new ones. (Love the league of shadows)
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35mm is just plain annoying...
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Batpod approaching!
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=398380823595575
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Batpod approaching!
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=398380823595575
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Oh my, I love that!!
The Harley Quinn work in progress is really nice too.
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Should appeal to those who prefer a more comical old school Harley:
http://www.beastsofwar.com/batman-miniatures-game/knight-models-preview-harley-quinn-model/
Interesting to see which version of Poison Ivy they do first.
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Looks like the BMG rulebook is getting ready for release:
http://www.beastsofwar.com/batman-miniatures-game/knight-models-bringing-rulebook-dark-knight/
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You can see the Clayface model in that link as well..... :-*
I still need to get all the goodies from the last few releases. It takes forever for KM to get product to the distributors over here in the states.