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Title: Modern USMC 28mm Generation Kill - Update - Crew hacks 11th May.
Post by: 6milPhil on September 26, 2012, 03:49:02 PM
(http://askarsgard.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/generation-kill-32-500x280.jpg)

Brining to bulk of my Jihadistan project to near completion the one last thing I want to do is the US and their vehicles from the top TV series "Generation Kill", so I'm looking for suitable figures for the infantry as well as crew figures. Already got my eyes on TAG, havve the excellent Eureka recon Marines which were released two Salutes ago - BUT still want some more recommendations, especially for crew.

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Look for Modern US Marines in 28mm
Post by: Cherno on September 26, 2012, 04:05:49 PM
Black Scorpion and Devil Dog Design.
Title: Re: Looking for Modern US Marines in 28mm
Post by: 6milPhil on September 26, 2012, 04:20:15 PM
Black Scorpian look good, lloks like Devil Dog have folded...
Title: Re: Looking for Modern US Marines in 28mm
Post by: carlos marighela on September 26, 2012, 04:29:14 PM
Eureka also do regular USMC infantry, in fact they've just pumped out some more in the past week, SMAW team and two really lovely M240 GPMG teams. They won't be an exact match for Generation Kill, IIRC they were wearing MOPP suits for almost the entirety of the series. The body armour also dates from a later period than 2002 but if you aren't too anal about such things and you want current issue kit, the Eureka figures are far and away the best figures out there.

The JD McDaniel figures (sculptor for the original DDD range) have been re-modelled and re-released by Victory Force. I think Eureka are still the way to go in terms of quality.
Title: Re: Looking for Modern US Marines in 28mm
Post by: SgtMcNab on September 26, 2012, 06:19:28 PM
Hi all,

Please find attached my work in progress shots of  Eureka Miniatures modern 28mm.

Really great to paint.

Cheers

Andy

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh579/SgtMcNab/97811EC8-55B6-4221-9769-810667D0040C-188-0000000E60A25E41.jpg)
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh579/SgtMcNab/E6892F32-F490-4767-A989-D19CD097DAD3-188-0000000E59F73ACC.jpg)
Title: Re: Looking for Modern US Marines in 28mm
Post by: 6milPhil on September 26, 2012, 06:22:18 PM
Just had a look at the Eureka bits and saw the newer packs... so I think we have a winner.
Title: Re: Looking for Modern US Marines in 28mm
Post by: the commissar on September 26, 2012, 06:53:22 PM
Eureka also do regular USMC infantry, in fact they've just pumped out some more in the past week, SMAW team and two really lovely M240 GPMG teams. They won't be an exact match for Generation Kill, IIRC they were wearing MOPP suits for almost the entirety of the series. The body armour also dates from a later period than 2002 but if you aren't too anal about such things and you want current issue kit, the Eureka figures are far and away the best figures out there.

Can you point me at some pictures of SMAW and GPMG teams? I don't seem to be able to find them on the Eureka site.

Thanks
Title: Re: Looking for Modern US Marines in 28mm
Post by: A_Train on September 26, 2012, 07:17:33 PM
I don't have them but I heard Black Scorpion Minis are closer to 35 mm, and won't mix well with other 28mm ranges.  They are really nice though.
Title: Re: Looking for Modern US Marines in 28mm
Post by: fafa on September 27, 2012, 09:48:25 AM
Hi,
what about new figures from eureka "SMAW team and two really lovely M240 GPMG teams"? Do you have any pictures?...
Title: Re: Looking for Modern US Marines in 28mm
Post by: carlos marighela on September 27, 2012, 10:19:41 AM
Nope, Nic only cast them up about a fortnight ago. Mine are still sitting in their plastic bag. One MG team is an advancing team, gunner with GPMG slung over his shoulder, number tow advancing/ patrolling. The other is firing and the gunner comes with a cool little separate base depicting some urban rubble upon which he is posed in a prone firing position. His number two also has a  scenic base and is a sitting firing position.

The SMAW gunner is kneeling firing and has a separate M16A$ which has a small peg on one side that slots onto his back. His number two has a small pack with a spare round for the smaw that sits on top. Same deal, small peg and hole to secure the piece.

Usual attention to detail, very natural posing, excellent sculpts all round.
Title: Re: Looking for Modern US Marines in 28mm
Post by: fafa on September 27, 2012, 10:33:31 AM
Very interresting, but I'd like to see picture and know when they will be available (if they are...)...
Title: Re: Looking for Modern US Marines in 28mm
Post by: carlos marighela on September 27, 2012, 10:42:09 AM
Email Mr Robson, ask nicely and he will send you some. I suspect that photos will appear on the Chronofus blog within a few weeks, that's the usual pattern with new stuff from Eureka. I'm a shit photographer.
Title: Re: Looking for Modern US Marines in 28mm
Post by: Trooper on September 27, 2012, 12:24:16 PM
The Eureka figures which are really nice are also wearing the newer helmet as opposed to the "fritz" style helmet worn in Generation Kill.
Title: Re: Looking for Modern US Marines in 28mm
Post by: Trooper on September 27, 2012, 12:27:40 PM
Have you considered either of these

http://www.grippingbeast.com/shop.php?CatID=39

http://newlinedesigns.co.uk/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=481_485&zenid=d708ec66754e4a0aa2325137666f30ec

Both very nice and more compatible size wise with other makers.
Title: Re: Looking for Modern US Marines in 28mm
Post by: fafa on September 27, 2012, 01:02:44 PM
I am in the "startingblock"...
Title: Re: Looking for Modern US Marines in 28mm
Post by: Ray Rivers on September 27, 2012, 02:18:39 PM
I don't have them but I heard Black Scorpion Minis are closer to 35 mm, and won't mix well with other 28mm ranges.  They are really nice though.

Yep... true enough.

I think Eureka is a good choice.
Title: Re: Looking for Modern US Marines in 28mm
Post by: 6milPhil on September 27, 2012, 02:21:28 PM
Very interresting, but I'd like to see picture and know when they will be available (if they are...)...

They're available, Nic offered them to me when I emailed him.

Have you considered either of these

http://www.grippingbeast.com/shop.php?CatID=39

http://newlinedesigns.co.uk/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=481_485&zenid=d708ec66754e4a0aa2325137666f30ec

Both very nice and more compatible size wise with other makers.

I hadn't considered them for the USMC, but had already bookmarked those for a Blackhawk Down game planned for October 2013.

Heresy I know but I could put up with the uniform difference, as I'd use them for more scenarios than just that Iraq excursion. I think the Games God may forgive me, even if I can't claim ignorance any more.  ;)

The thing I am putting much more effort into is the humvees, because I'd like to make them really like the ones in the series. I spent far too long looking for pictures via google search for a decent shot or two, in the end I found a screen capture site which seems to have a shot from every few seconds or so. If anyone is interested you can find that here: (http://caps.oxoniensis.org/gkcaps.html)

For the humvees I'm using some old partworks ones which I got off that there ebay... because I have to bash them I didn't want a resin one and these are a healthy mix of plastic and metal, easy to dismantle and adapt. I've five of the little beauties.

For weapons I've got a couple of packs of the excellent Imprint weapons kits. http://www.imprintmodels.co.uk/Product.aspx?pid=38 (http://www.imprintmodels.co.uk/Product.aspx?pid=38) Probably start the project just before Christmas.

So stay frosty...
(http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/images/reviews/177/1228077529_3.jpg)
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill
Post by: Splod on September 28, 2012, 11:01:53 AM
I know you're looking for 28mm, and I really hate being 'that' person...
But if you're willing to branch outside of 28mm, Elhiem miniatures is about to release a range of 20mm USMC in MOPP PERFECT for the push into Baghdad. Especially if you're looking at Generation Kill.
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g299/elhiem/file-36.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g299/elhiem/file-35.jpg)
I used to be pure 28mm but since getting swayed to 20mm by Wartime Miniatures and then branching out into Elhiem, I can't recommend a nicer figure manufacturer. At the moment he's planning another 12 figures for the MOPP range, which will include NCO's, M240's, M249's and some specialist staff. Depends how much further he expands the range. Look at his 2003 Army and post 2006 USMC for an example of the variety in his figures.
http://elhiemfigures.com/usa_80.html (http://elhiemfigures.com/usa_80.html)
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill
Post by: AKULA on September 28, 2012, 11:15:43 AM
Given the first post said his project was "nearing completion" I'd say 20mm isn't an option.....  ;)

Nice minis though.
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill
Post by: 6milPhil on October 01, 2012, 07:06:49 PM
Quite right, having been dragged into 28mm by the boy Slug, built a lot of scenics, etc I can only suffix 20mm to the thought; "Should have done it in 6mm...".

Still looking for suitable vehicle crew though... any ideas?
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill
Post by: 6milPhil on January 30, 2014, 08:22:47 PM
Well this has been on the back burner for too long, in part because I was having trouble getting decent sources for the design of all the Humvees. I've tracked done the production designer, phoned him, got his email address to send what is basically a begging letter, fingers crossed.  :)


I've a pile of Eureka vehicle crew, and infantry figures waiting to go...
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill
Post by: Slayer on January 30, 2014, 08:44:23 PM
following this with interest..

Such a fantastic series that..
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill
Post by: Wyrmalla on January 31, 2014, 11:19:21 PM
I haven't gotten around to watching much of the series, but've read the book. There's about thirty three pictures of the troops spread across sixteen pages, along with more in depth discussions of the events of the series.
(http://i60.tinypic.com/25p49ip.jpg)
(http://i60.tinypic.com/23rvi4i.jpg)

*'Scuse me if uploading images from the book's breaking any forum rules

As for Humvees I picked up this one from a pound shop. The casting material was similar to that of the vehicles in the International "Husky" in 28mm thread, so they may have been from the same manufacturer, though the scale may be a bit off. You're probably better off using a kit like Tamiya's 1/48th ones to achieve the right detail level and make it easier to convert yourself.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/16/8421_31_01_14_9_22_26.JPG)
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill
Post by: 6milPhil on February 01, 2014, 12:11:05 AM
Good stuff indeed. I've sourced five diecast/plastic humvees which were "giveaways" with an old mil. vehicle pieceworks. They break down pretty sweetly, but I'm hoping the production designer can offer up some sweet references to let me get them as right as possible with the TV series. 
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill
Post by: NickNascati on February 01, 2014, 01:27:00 AM
Depending on the specific years you want to model, the Black Scorpion USMC are larger but beautiful models.  The Insurgents look to be aimed at Somalia, but bad guys are bad guys.
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill
Post by: Elbows on February 03, 2014, 07:17:24 AM
I love me some Black Scorpion but their US moderns are way too silly and comical... :(

Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill
Post by: Ambrosia on February 03, 2014, 10:51:29 AM
Hi,

My WIP on the imprint models humvees so far

The one on the right is for Afghanistan

Regards
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill
Post by: 6milPhil on February 03, 2014, 04:00:44 PM
Looking good. 8)
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill
Post by: Bravo Six on February 03, 2014, 05:24:05 PM
Those look good Ambrosia. Are the add-ons originally for the Tamiya kit?

-Todd
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill
Post by: NickNascati on February 03, 2014, 07:02:23 PM
Elbows,
             Why do you say that?  I think the BS Marines are top notch and authentic.  The Insurgent are a bit odd, but I'd use them.
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill
Post by: Cherno on February 03, 2014, 07:48:19 PM
I agree, I think the BS Marines are good. can't comment on the scale though as I've never used them in a battle :)

The Insurgents are good as well imho, some might look a little bit too post-apocalyptic but looking at some pictures of the Iraq War it's not that far fetched to see a bearded guy with bandana standing in the middle of the street with two AK47s blazing into the sky, Sanchez-Style ;) (You'll know which one I mean if you have the miniature in hand ;) )
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill
Post by: Elbows on February 03, 2014, 07:50:20 PM
I just looked at the range, and I must have confused them with the old Devil Dog minis.  Though I recognize the silly command figure that I really disliked.  The BS ones look okay if a bit...boring (ie. not many variations in kit).  I'd say only a handful are questionable.  They're also rather "old" now, so they'd be suitable for early Iraq 2, but nothing much later.  The rifles and kit are very early this generation.

Not horrible. 
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill
Post by: carlos marighela on February 03, 2014, 11:46:16 PM
There's a Czech company that makes some excellent 1/48 packs and general vehicle stowage. Quarterkit/ Gasoline stock them. Some of the pieces are quite fragile and there are some thick resin casting gates to remove on others but the casting and detail is suberb. Check the Gasoline website for accessories.

As for the BS figures, I quite like the look of them for early Iraq or maybe even Somalia or Gulf War 1.  They are resin though, are they not? That has some drawbacks to my way of thinking. On the other hand I suppose it makes it easier to grind down the bases, to lower their height.
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill
Post by: 6milPhil on February 04, 2014, 12:35:07 AM
There's a Czech company that makes some excellent 1/48 packs and general vehicle stowage.
I've had a quick look and could only find US WW2...

These are the Humvees I've sourced...
(http://i.imgur.com/EQXIBmw.jpg)

Which breakdown nice and simply.
(http://i.imgur.com/1o1nmzh.jpg)

And the Eureka crew fit nicely.
(http://i.imgur.com/7SfqtZZ.jpg)
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill
Post by: Papa Spanky on February 04, 2014, 01:53:55 AM
I hope you are planning a motorcycle helmeted 50cal operator as well as a Captain with an AK...
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill
Post by: AlexM on February 04, 2014, 02:44:07 AM
I'd be hard pressed to use the Eureka crew in there, they're waay too current, and the SCAR didn't even exist in 2003 as far as I know, certainly wasn't in use by Recon. The Black Scorpion marines are good for 2003-4 whenever they introduced the MARPAT uniform across the corps, but yes, they are on the large side. The only company I ever saw that made MOPP marines were Devil Dog Design, and good luck getting your hands on them!! The rest of the USMC ranges out there are much later, good for 2008-now.

Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill
Post by: Wyrmalla on February 04, 2014, 03:48:10 AM
These are the Humvees I've sourced...
(http://i.imgur.com/EQXIBmw.jpg)


Oh hey those are the ones I'm using. Have a name for the producer? I keep finding them secondhand, but I'm wondering if the company that makes them has an online shop with similar kits.
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill
Post by: Slayer on February 04, 2014, 06:00:59 AM
Oh hey those are the ones I'm using. Have a name for the producer? I keep finding them secondhand, .

man wish i had that problem here in NZ  :(
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill
Post by: carlos marighela on February 04, 2014, 09:15:38 AM
I've had a quick look and could only find US WW2...

Ok, maybe they are out of stock. In that case go directly to the manufacturer, which is Blackdog. Scroll down the page and you'll see the modern equipment plus Humvee stowage.

http://www.blackdog.cz/t48.html
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill
Post by: 6milPhil on February 04, 2014, 12:38:45 PM
I'd be hard pressed to use the Eureka crew in there, they're waay too current

There is no other option. They don't wear MOPP throughout the series.

I hope you are planning a motorcycle helmeted 50cal operator as well as a Captain with an AK...

Yep. Pref with specs ala: http://afteraction.oxoniensis.org/caps/105/gk105-055.jpg

Oh hey those are the ones I'm using. Have a name for the producer? I keep finding them secondhand, but I'm wondering if the company that makes them has an online shop with similar kits.

No idea other than they were cover mounted freebies for a military vehicle partworks. I got mine off ebay a few years ago now for under a fiver each. Last time I saw any they were a tenner each. Not seen them for a while.

Ok, maybe they are out of stock. In that case go directly to the manufacturer, which is Blackdog. Scroll down the page and you'll see the modern equipment plus Humvee stowage.
http://www.blackdog.cz/t48.html

Ah very nice indeed. Thanks, http://storymodels.com have the biggest range.
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill
Post by: Wyrmalla on February 04, 2014, 12:58:25 PM
Ah, I usually pick mine up for a pound.  ;)
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill
Post by: Cherno on February 04, 2014, 02:18:24 PM
I will just dump my old bookmarks here from my Ambush Alley project, maybe you can find something useful.

Stan Johansen Miniatures
http://www.stanjohansenminiatures.com/

Painting digital camouflage (here: Flecktarn, but applicable for MARPAT, ACU etc.)
http://www.dhc-wargames.de/bastelecke/flecktarn.html

Painting Woodland & 3-col Deset camouflage
http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=printpage&artid=145

Insurgent miniatures
http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=161213

Empress Miniatures
http://www.empressminiatures.com/page11.htm

S and S Models
http://www.sandsmodels.com/

Britannia Miniatures
http://www.britannia-miniatures.com/catalog/
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill
Post by: 6milPhil on February 04, 2014, 04:46:44 PM
Ah, I usually pick mine up for a pound.  ;)

You're just showing off now.

I will just dump my old bookmarks here from my Ambush Alley project, maybe you can find something useful.

Thanks, I knew most but the painting ones are interesting.


Still have fingers crossed for a reply from mr. production designer...
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill
Post by: Doomsdave on February 05, 2014, 05:28:44 AM
Oh hey those are the ones I'm using. Have a name for the producer? I keep finding them secondhand, but I'm wondering if the company that makes them has an online shop with similar kits.

Those look exactly like the ones I have.  I believe they are Victoria/Vitesse 1:43.  That's what mine are (still have the box)
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill
Post by: 6milPhil on February 05, 2014, 04:28:28 PM
Ahhh, I just had a look on ebay and I saw one, an ambulance Humvee, and it was £20!
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill
Post by: 6milPhil on March 10, 2015, 10:30:37 PM
Having recently watched the boxset in a single sitting again I thought it's time to get this going so spent an hour or two collecting all the bits together for this. Emailing the production designer came to nowt, so I'm now trawling through screen caps...  one and a half thousand per episode :o

Five Humvees - Check!
(http://i.imgur.com/En0pMyL.jpg)

Five Eureka Crews - oh, now sures there's five crews but only three figs to a pack so probably need a couple more
(http://i.imgur.com/gTjwKeX.jpg)

Those Crews dismounted, whoops only 20 figs when I need 24, back to Fighting 15's then.
(http://i.imgur.com/YkSKmdb.jpg)

A couple of Mark19 Grenade Launchers, and a fifty cal from Imprint, although the crews do come with thirty cals I need a few beefier heavy weapons.
(http://i.imgur.com/cKTyXA0.jpg)

There's a few pieces I'm lacking and maybe someone can point me in the right direction... I need

A head in a motorcycle helmet like this:
(http://afteraction.oxoniensis.org/caps/105/gk105-1611.jpg)

A reporter proxy, both standing and sitting, although I could hack a standing figure...
(http://afteraction.oxoniensis.org/caps/105/gk105-045.jpg)

Possibly a translator, an Arab civvy in dodgy uniform carrying a shotgun.
(http://afteraction.oxoniensis.org/images/meesh2.jpg)
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill
Post by: von Lucky on March 11, 2015, 09:27:09 AM
Looking good.

Re. the helmet, I think you'll need to add greenstuff to the Eureka ones:
http://www.fighting15sshop.co.uk/australian-special-forces-602-c.asp

But Google suggested this thread:
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=45145.0

For the reporter there's a few options (converting some of the Eureka US infantry), there's a thread (which I can't find) on here with options.

For the translator, maybe the Eureka Afghan:
http://www.fighting15sshop.co.uk/100mod55-afghan-national-police-in-helmets-5630-p.asp

(Again with conversion.)
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill
Post by: 6milPhil on March 11, 2015, 02:36:04 PM
Thanks mate. Problem with modding eureka figures is they're typically sets and I want ones, but it a good suggestion regardless.

Anyway isn't it a criminal offence to modify Eureka miniatures?
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill
Post by: von Lucky on March 11, 2015, 08:28:18 PM
:/ I have the luxury of buying bits direct from Nic and the gang; I just chopped up a miniature last night to make a Krampus.

The Aussie dollar is currently taking a hard pounding, maybe ordering direct will offset shipping costs?
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill
Post by: 6milPhil on March 11, 2015, 09:37:47 PM
There's an idea.  ;)
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill
Post by: carlos marighela on March 12, 2015, 07:47:45 AM
If you can wait, Nic usually attends some of the bigger British wargames shows each year.
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill
Post by: 6milPhil on March 12, 2015, 01:30:26 PM
Nic is at Salute this year sharing a stall with Ian of F15's. On one hand I'm on a roll on the other I started collecting for this in 2012 so how much of a rush could I honestly claim to be in?  ::)
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill - Started on mini's
Post by: 6milPhil on March 12, 2015, 05:59:58 PM
Started prepping the figures while I wait for the extras to turn up, the most awkward bit being adding the NVG goggles.
(http://i.imgur.com/UlFcvWV.jpg)

Now there's four or five figures per humvee, and five humvees so plenty of chance of mixing up the figures once deployed, so I've numbered the bases in the subtlest way I can, the number of rocks per base is the vehicle they're from.
(http://i.imgur.com/W59CvZE.jpg)
Of course the eagle-eyed will have spotted no number three, but two fours, so not sure how well this might work.  :cry:

Having hacked about one humvve I'm now having a wobble about them being too big...
(http://i.imgur.com/Gv72CFV.jpg)
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill - Started on mini's
Post by: Slayer on March 12, 2015, 08:06:56 PM
they dont look that big imo, maybe a little oversized but once every is painted it'll blend in better
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill - Started on mini's
Post by: 6milPhil on March 13, 2015, 04:11:51 PM
Good point, I have stabilised on the scale and just tucked in.

Started hacking the vehicles into their very basic forms, with standard mil. vehicles there's a wealth of photo's and a walkaround is never far away for a lot of them, but not so for GK. It's taken ages to work out the basic forms and weaponry, and I'll have to go back to work out all the dressing too. There's far too many thread on various forums about modelling these with the images long deleted...

V-01 This is Iceman and Person's Humvee and the most complete compared to the diecast models
(http://i.imgur.com/7liLPiW.jpg)
V-02
(http://i.imgur.com/SJ7BcLA.jpg)
V-03
(http://i.imgur.com/yQNZ0uk.jpg)
V-04 Command vehicle, this is the one with the canvas back and the only one which is green, although the canvas is sandy.
(http://i.imgur.com/Wf5uONb.jpg)
V-05 The hardest one to tie down as it's typically at the back of the convoy, it's a slightly different model to the others - most of the detail is sharper, except on the bonnet vents. It's the Maxi Car one, whereas all the others are from Deagostini part-works.
(http://i.imgur.com/lBw1ch0.jpg)

Next will be adding the bits to complete the basic structures, something to do while I wait for more Eureka figures via Fighting 15's & Helmets and accessories from TAG to turn up.
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill - Update - Hacking the vehicles 13th March
Post by: von Lucky on March 13, 2015, 08:31:43 PM
Looking good. I think size-wise they look fine.

(For futher down the road) terrain wise there's some easy options with those "X" power poles in one of the early episodes and burnt out buses, etc.
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill - Update - Hacking the vehicles 13th March
Post by: 6milPhil on March 14, 2015, 01:49:39 AM
Thanks. I've lots of terrain from my Jihadistan project so I'm more or less sorted.
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill - Update - Hacking the vehicles 14th March
Post by: 6milPhil on March 14, 2015, 02:43:23 PM
The hacking ceases - on to adding basic bits and bobs. I'm removing the tyres for safety, I've no spares so any accidents with scalpel or drill would be fatal.

Sealing the door and putting more bed into V-05, it'll be covered with stowage so doesn't need to be textured
(http://i.imgur.com/YhyuLtw.jpg)

Putting in the headache, bed and sealing the doors on V-04
(http://i.imgur.com/epoXnEh.jpg)

It has to allow for the removal of the cab.
(http://i.imgur.com/kW0JvGb.jpg)

Adding struts to V-03
(http://i.imgur.com/NzEpwd4.jpg)

Next wooden slatting on V-04 & V-05.
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill - Update - Adding to the vehicles 14th March
Post by: von Lucky on March 14, 2015, 06:28:15 PM
Nice progress, the effort I think will be greatly rewarded.
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill - Update - Adding to the vehicles 14th March
Post by: Centaur_Seducer on March 14, 2015, 06:57:07 PM
Nice one Phil!
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill - Update - Adding to the vehicles 14th March
Post by: 6milPhil on March 15, 2015, 12:55:39 PM
Thanks guys.

V-02 gets it's cross bar, a tricky little piece. The plastistrip is too thick for bending, I briefly considered thinner and laminating it, in the end I did this thickness but added a little milliput to the inside corner. I let it set and then shaped it with the wrong end of a file to give an inside curve. None of this can be seen in the photo...  :blush:
(http://i.imgur.com/Z4Gj8OK.jpg)

Slatting on V-05 the short uprights at the rear are not that well fixed, luckily there's tons of stowage to follow which will make all stronger.
(http://i.imgur.com/x66I1mV.jpg)

Slatting on V-04, although this has a canvas top there is slatting underneath that. Had to make sure the slatting was far enough away from the vehicle edge to allow for this, and do similar to V-05 to make them look similar.
(http://i.imgur.com/nBNBibQ.jpg)
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill - Update - adding to the vehicles 15th March
Post by: pocoloco on March 15, 2015, 01:14:58 PM
Very cool project!  8)

Amazing work so far with the rides, all of them will look fab when you are finished, I'm sure.
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill - Update - adding to the vehicles 15th March
Post by: Silent Invader on March 15, 2015, 01:41:49 PM
Great project  8)
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill - Update - adding to the vehicles 15th March
Post by: Slayer on March 15, 2015, 11:08:28 PM
coming along very nicely
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill - Update - adding to the vehicles 15th March
Post by: 6milPhil on March 16, 2015, 06:20:02 PM
Thanks.

Needed a couple of bits, so made a motorbike helmeted head and a rolled karrimat. The head needs tidying and the roll is for the bottom of rucksacks.

(http://i.imgur.com/AFm4I75.jpg)
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill - Update - Head and roll made 16th March
Post by: 6milPhil on March 19, 2015, 01:28:07 PM
Found a figure for the reporter, put a helmet on, ebay flak vest, pen in his hand
(http://i.imgur.com/6OLRALV.jpg)

and a pad in his other hand
(http://i.imgur.com/RvC742T.jpg)

Also put TAG helmets on the recon marines who started off with boonie hats.
(http://i.imgur.com/fWUP1BL.jpg)
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill - Update - Reporter & Helmets 19th March
Post by: Poiter50 on March 19, 2015, 02:39:06 PM
ebay flak vest? Source, please?
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill - Update - Reporter & Helmets 19th March
Post by: 6milPhil on March 19, 2015, 05:00:31 PM
ebay flak vest? Source, please?

Sorry, not sure what you're asking.
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill - Update - Reporter & Helmets 19th March
Post by: Slayer on March 19, 2015, 09:35:46 PM
love the reporter

think he is asking where you got the flak vest from, tho by pic you obviously made it :)
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill - Update - Reporter & Helmets 19th March
Post by: Poiter50 on March 20, 2015, 12:44:03 AM
Exactly. When I first saw it, I thought - Ah, a scratchbuild but you wrote" ebay flak vest" so I thought you found a source on ebay.

love the reporter

think he is asking where you got the flak vest from, tho by pic you obviously made it :)
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill - Update - Reporter & Helmets 19th March
Post by: 6milPhil on March 20, 2015, 01:06:16 PM
Ahhh, okay. In the first episode a couple of Marines help the reporter get his kit sorted including a ropey looking flak jacket, they ask him where he got it from and he answers "ebay".  ;)
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill - Update - Reporter & Helmets 19th March
Post by: Centaur_Seducer on March 20, 2015, 01:31:36 PM
Great job Phil!
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill - Update - Reporter & Helmets 19th March
Post by: Poiter50 on March 20, 2015, 02:20:24 PM
Ah, now I understand. I have yet to see the show sadly.

Ahhh, okay. In the first episode a couple of Marines help the reporter get his kit sorted including a ropey looking flak jacket, they ask him where he got it from and he answers "ebay".  ;)
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill - Update - Reporter & Helmets 19th March
Post by: 6milPhil on March 20, 2015, 08:42:37 PM
I highly recommend it, ranges from touching and quite sad to hilarious in places. Based on a book by Evan Wright who was an embedded journalist for Rolling Stone. It's not only masterful as part of the genre but also as a film/mini-series in it's own right.
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill - Update - Reporter & Helmets 19th March
Post by: Slayer on March 20, 2015, 08:44:10 PM
one of the best series Ive ever watched
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill - Update - Reporter & Helmets 19th March
Post by: von Lucky on March 20, 2015, 09:30:59 PM
I agree, watched it for the first time a year or two ago (it's from 2008). At only 7 episodes, it tells a great story.
Title: Re: Modern USMC in 28mm Generation Kill - Update - Reporter & Helmets 19th March
Post by: 6milPhil on April 25, 2015, 05:05:54 PM
Spent ages faffing around with the canvas roof for V4. Not able to find the great garden wire I have stashed which would have been perfect I tried to build the  frame from quite thick steel wire. It's wonderfully solid which made making small adjustments very difficult so I started again using another garden wire.

I first drilled some holes in some foamex to match the size I wanted it. I bent the wires with a lot of slack material, and then trimmed them to size.
(http://i.imgur.com/SELayvt.jpg)

Next on were the horizontals
(http://i.imgur.com/OBerVeJ.jpg)

Lo and behold a finished frame
(http://i.imgur.com/WMRv4a8.jpg)

It fits rather loosely, but that can be tweaked when it's glued into place. There's also a lot of stowage to go on so that will cover any uglies.
(http://i.imgur.com/G3eiTEk.jpg)

Next on with tissue paper with watered down pva glue. This is quite a forgiving technique which can have additional pieces added to get it just right. Again I put on a lot of slack material and once dry trim it down with scissors.
(http://i.imgur.com/Y7mz03B.jpg)

Jobs a good 'un.
(http://i.imgur.com/ZYNvA9j.jpg)

I found some MRA pouches and boxes on the web for larger scale modelling, working out that if I output them at 10% they'd work just fine for 28mm. They are a little fiddly though. The MRE pouches are coloured prints, cut and glued with a few lumps inside with pva glue. The boxes come as B&W prints which had to be printed on coloured paper. They're both a box and sleeve, I tried folding and gluing them and that was a headache so I made up a 4x4x7mm lump of plastic and wrapped them around that instead. I used liquid cement to glue it, the capilliary action holds them together beautifully.
(http://i.imgur.com/CFZc6L6.jpg)

You can help yourself to various modern printables, albeit in a massive scale, from: http://ssccprintables.weebly.com/modern-printables.html
Title: Re: Modern USMC 28mm Generation Kill - Update - Canvas Roof & MREs 25th Apr.
Post by: Dr. Zombie on April 25, 2015, 06:27:40 PM
This is a great project. I like your dedication to keeping it close to the show.

I didn't know the series but watched it one day when I was sick from work. And was plesantly surprised. I had to rewatch it at a later time when I had a clearer head not filled with coldmedicine.
Title: Re: Modern USMC 28mm Generation Kill - Update - Canvas Roof & MREs 25th Apr.
Post by: von Lucky on April 25, 2015, 11:01:32 PM
I'm happy for you too Phil in seeing an update.
Title: Re: Modern USMC 28mm Generation Kill - Update - Canvas Roof & MREs 25th Apr.
Post by: commissarmoody on April 26, 2015, 01:11:08 AM
Great idea with the MREs
Title: Re: Modern USMC 28mm Generation Kill - Update - Canvas Roof & MREs 25th Apr.
Post by: 6milPhil on April 26, 2015, 01:26:41 AM
Thanks guys. Would there be any interest in a step by step on the MREs?
Title: Re: Modern USMC 28mm Generation Kill - Update - Canvas Roof & MREs 25th Apr.
Post by: janner on April 26, 2015, 05:46:16 AM
Cracking project  :D
Title: Re: Modern USMC 28mm Generation Kill - Update - Canvas Roof & MREs 25th Apr.
Post by: pocoloco on April 26, 2015, 12:23:02 PM
Great work with both the canvas and MREs Phil  8)
Title: Re: Modern USMC 28mm Generation Kill - Update - Canvas Roof & MREs 25th Apr.
Post by: 6milPhil on April 27, 2015, 02:12:52 PM
Thanks.

Just in case you haven't already heard me whinge about not being able to go to Salute 2015 - I wasn't able to go this year*
Instead I mucked around making a couple of moulds and MRE boxes and took photos of every step of the latter to thrill you all. You can find the MREs with a pile of other goodies here: http://ssccprintables.weebly.com/modern-printables.html (http://ssccprintables.weebly.com/modern-printables.html)

Printed out the pdf on coloured paper and cut it out.
(http://i.imgur.com/2ZGEdEX.jpg)

Scored the flaps
(http://i.imgur.com/KBEfKRf.jpg)

Put a piece of 4x4x7mm plastic onto it with liquid cement, the paper sucks it up along with liquid plastic for a solid hold.
(http://i.imgur.com/wSAuUNO.jpg)

Same with the end tab
(http://i.imgur.com/rkbz77f.jpg)

Then all the sides
(http://i.imgur.com/Yl5sEVL.jpg)

Followed by the flaps
(http://i.imgur.com/1tzcwbg.jpg)

Folded the sleeve at the right place
(http://i.imgur.com/h9uV0p6.jpg)

Attached it to the box, originally I was used liquid cement again but it took too long to soak through, so I used UHU for the rest of the sleeves.
(http://i.imgur.com/67De44L.jpg)

Wrap it all around and jobs a good 'un
(http://i.imgur.com/tf0KYKj.jpg)


Here I'm making recogniton banners from tissue paper and PVA glue. I throw a piece of tisse paper onto a scrap of plasticard and cover it in PVA glue. The crinkles are fine as this is just a base.
(http://i.imgur.com/U68oLyc.jpg)

Then added another piece of paper with more attention to getting lots of lovely crinkles.
(http://i.imgur.com/SZ4t4D5.jpg)

Like this. Once dry the bottom will be nice and smooth which is vital for measuring and cutting.
(http://i.imgur.com/IK7Bbxx.jpg)

An hour or so later I've got the panels I want...
(http://i.imgur.com/z7lkIrK.jpg)

cut to fit perfectly.
(http://i.imgur.com/avUqy2g.jpg)

Then undercoat white and whop on some suitable paint... bish bash bosh.
(http://i.imgur.com/gTI7zPZ.jpg)



*Continued on page 96.
Title: Re: Modern USMC 28mm Generation Kill - Update - MREs SxS, recog banners 27th Apr.
Post by: Silent Invader on April 27, 2015, 02:25:27 PM
Excellent work Phil - I loved Generation Kill.  8) 8)
Title: Re: Modern USMC 28mm Generation Kill - Update - MREs SxS, recog banners 27th Apr.
Post by: Wyrmalla on April 27, 2015, 05:13:54 PM
Its been a while since I last popped in here, but you've come along amazingly. Those MREs are great (they're such a small detail, but I think I'll have a go at some myself), heh, and a detail you could hardly miss out now that I'm reminded the book spent at least a couple of paragraphs mulling over the things.

Any plans for how you'll go about painting the Humvees? I don't know how they were presented in the series, but the way the book talked about it by the end of the road they were pretty beat up. The images I posted way back on page two of the actual vehicles look fairly knatty (I wonder if they were taken before or after the whole column was riddled with bullets in one town). I'm not sure if they differ, but I take it you're taking more of a note from the Tv Series than the book (certainly there's more pictures of the series).
Title: Re: Modern USMC 28mm Generation Kill - Update - MREs SxS, recog banners 27th Apr.
Post by: 6milPhil on April 27, 2015, 05:24:24 PM
Yeah after the first one they're neat, so I shared my technique to make it a little simpler for anyone who wants a good. You're quite right about them being an issue, when they abandoned their supply truck they lost everything on it and ended up eating the humanitarian supplies they had instead. I was happy to stumble across them, there's some other neat bits as well.

I'll be aiming to replicate the look of the TV series, especially as I've no way of getting colour photos of each and every vehicle. Even with the TV series it's proved difficult with V-05 as it's rarely in shot, and when it is it's partially obscured by V-04 and it's canvas top.

I'm considering a little bit of beating up, the difficult being they're diecast so not as easy to dent, etc, as plastic, resin or white metal. A few bullet holes too.

One thing I'm not sure about sourcing are the radios and computer screens in the front of V-01. Probably hack it unless someone has any ideas.
Title: Re: Modern USMC 28mm Generation Kill - Update - MREs SxS, recog banners 27th Apr.
Post by: carlos marighela on April 27, 2015, 06:39:55 PM
Phil,

The Eureka USMC range has a figure with separate radio, they also make laptops in their 28mm modern range. If you ask Nic nicely, he'll usually provide bits and bobs.
Title: Re: Modern USMC 28mm Generation Kill - Update - MREs SxS, recog banners 27th Apr.
Post by: 6milPhil on April 27, 2015, 06:51:34 PM
Nice one Carlos thanks!  8) 8) 8)

I'll give Nic a few days to recuperate from his long haul home and see if I can't scrounge one up.
Title: Re: Modern USMC 28mm Generation Kill - Update - MREs SxS, recog banners 27th Apr.
Post by: carlos marighela on April 27, 2015, 11:51:04 PM
Let me know otherwise I can them up for you if you like.
Title: Re: Modern USMC 28mm Generation Kill - Update - MREs SxS, recog banners 27th Apr.
Post by: 6milPhil on April 28, 2015, 01:12:29 AM
Pardon?   ???
Title: Re: Modern USMC 28mm Generation Kill - Update - MREs SxS, recog banners 27th Apr.
Post by: Slayer on April 28, 2015, 09:25:05 AM
Let me know otherwise I can them up for you if you like.

think he meant  'I can call them up for you if you like'
Title: Re: Modern USMC 28mm Generation Kill - Update - MREs SxS, recog banners 27th Apr.
Post by: carlos marighela on April 28, 2015, 09:56:41 AM
think he meant  'I can call them up for you if you like'

Lol! lol lol Typo.

No, actually, the offer was to pick some up if that was easier. Happy to do so if you like but it's likely to be a couple of weeks before I get to Eureka.
Title: Re: Modern USMC 28mm Generation Kill - Update - MREs SxS, recog banners 27th Apr.
Post by: 6milPhil on April 29, 2015, 02:22:34 PM
You in Aus then?
Title: Re: Modern USMC 28mm Generation Kill - Update - MREs SxS, recog banners 27th Apr.
Post by: carlos marighela on April 29, 2015, 03:01:49 PM
Yep. I usually pop into Eureka at least once a month.
Title: Re: Modern USMC 28mm Generation Kill - Update - MREs SxS, recog banners 27th Apr.
Post by: 6milPhil on April 29, 2015, 03:15:03 PM
Lucky man on both accounts. I'd be delighted to accept your generosity. Thanks.  8)
Title: Re: Modern USMC 28mm Generation Kill - Update - MREs SxS, recog banners 27th Apr.
Post by: carlos marighela on April 29, 2015, 03:25:05 PM
No probs Phil. Drop me a PM as to what you want and I'll do my best.
Title: Re: Modern USMC 28mm Generation Kill - Update - MREs SxS, recog banners 27th Apr.
Post by: 6milPhil on May 11, 2015, 02:08:05 PM
There's been a bit of a delay as I've other things on, and I've had a bit of a problem with sorting out all the vehicle crews.

There's no SAW gunners in the Eureka crews and each vehicle typically has one, so I've bought some TAG SAW gunners and hacked their legs off. On the far left is a Eureka figure, next along a TAG one with eureka legs (from a spare driver) as you can seethey're too small making him look like he's had polio, so I've made up a couple of lower torsos from offcut legs and the like, the next two along are those legs under TAG hacks.

Apols for the blur.
(http://i.imgur.com/SOxtvci.jpg)