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Miniatures Adventure => Medieval Adventures => Topic started by: 15thpanzer on October 17, 2012, 08:24:34 PM

Title: Old and new ways of killing in the fifteenth century
Post by: 15thpanzer on October 17, 2012, 08:24:34 PM: In short, the longbow and field artillery. Have had it in mind for some time to represent the carnage of an arrow storm for my WotR collection. I finally got round to doing it. I guess in reality they can just be used as casualty markers to be left in the wake of advancing battles. These have served as an interesting distraction from the large bodies of troops painted and yet to paint. I think it a little macabre to call if a fun distraction.

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Painted alongside the carnage is the new of the title. Four field pieces for the later engagements, painted in liveries that can easily double up. Inspired by Capt B's rusty pieces, I did grime them up a bit with a bit of crevasse oxidization. Ah well. Back to the big bodies of troops at the weekend. Think it will be Hungerford's mob next as I haven't done red and green together yet. Cheers.

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Post by: Svennn on October 17, 2012, 08:31:16 PM: Very nice. Thats some massive table coverage already, without the main troops.
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Post by: Arlequín on October 17, 2012, 08:55:02 PM: Very nice... and nice idea about the arrow bases, there are many things they could be used for, depending on the rule set being used; 'points of shock' in Dux Brit for example.

;)
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Post by: Elk101 on October 17, 2012, 09:20:06 PM: Ooh that is good, very characterful. As Arlequin says they could be used for a wide variety of game markers.
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Post by: painterman on October 17, 2012, 09:24:02 PM: lovely work - very impressive arrow bases. :)
Simon.
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Post by: 15thpanzer on October 17, 2012, 09:28:13 PM: To be honest I have not gamed with these yet so have not decided upon a rule set, but here are the culprits.

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Title: Re: Old and new ways of killing in the fifteenth century
Post by: Elk101 on October 17, 2012, 09:33:04 PM: You're going to need more dead markers! :D

Spectacular.
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Post by: Cherno on October 17, 2012, 09:48:04 PM: Well, I guess they... *dons sunglasses* didn't fight in the shade.

YYEEEEAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgowmovoFgc
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Post by: commissarmoody on October 17, 2012, 09:51:47 PM: My god, will you look at that mob! :o Now all you need it the baggage, camps, bill-men, men-at-arms, foot and mounted, pikemen, crossbow men, pickers, handguners, camp followers, and some leadership for that mob.
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Post by: OSHIROmodels on October 17, 2012, 10:08:22 PM: F :o king hell, that's a lot of wonderfully painted figures 8)

1:1 by any chance :D

cheers

James
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Post by: Arlequín on October 17, 2012, 10:36:08 PM: I like a guy who doesn't do things by halves... :o

lol

To be honest, the 'massed' pic is how I'd expect them to look at 1:1... about 10-12 deep.

:)
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Post by: Silent Invader on October 17, 2012, 10:59:06 PM: :o

How many? Gulp.
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Post by: Hubbynz on October 18, 2012, 12:36:15 AM: Oh wow that's alot of painting, great work!!!
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Post by: sukhe_bator on October 18, 2012, 09:01:36 AM: If I was facing that lot I'd already be miles in the opposite direction, legging it :o- a truly awesome representation of medieval firepower!
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Post by: stone-cold-lead on October 18, 2012, 09:02:46 AM: How bloody many?!!! :o

I simply had to save those pics for the sheer scale of numbers. Nice work on the arrow storm aftermath. Might borrow that idea albeit on a much smaller scale. I've got a GW Bretonnian (back when the models were just HYW by any other name) taking an arrow in the chest and he'd be perfect for that.
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Post by: Captain Blood on October 18, 2012, 09:37:33 AM: Excellent :o :-*

If Silent Invader and I mustered all our WOTR figures, we might just about be able to give you a game!

In fact there's an idea - shame you're oop norf ;)
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Post by: Silent Invader on October 18, 2012, 09:47:21 AM: Quote from: Captain Blood on October 18, 2012, 09:37:33 AM
Excellent :o :-*

If Silent Invader and I mustered all our WOTR figures, we might just about be able to give you a game!

In fact there's an idea - shame you're oop norf ;)

What's that you were saying about us needing more archers......?!
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Post by: Captain Blood on October 18, 2012, 10:10:57 AM: Yes... We would need to invest in about 400 more archers :D
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Post by: JollyBob on October 18, 2012, 10:51:51 AM: Shock and Awe... :o :-*

Very, very impressive.
Title: Re: Old and new ways of killing in the fifteenth century
Post by: 15thpanzer on October 18, 2012, 01:59:04 PM: Quote from: Captain Blood on October 18, 2012, 09:37:33 AM
Excellent :o :-*

If Silent Invader and I mustered all our WOTR figures, we might just about be able to give you a game!

In fact there's an idea - shame you're oop norf ;)

Just like the real wars, norf v saaaf. I would hate to have to ravage the midlands en route to turn such a beautiful village into a pin cushion. Hell, that sounds like fighting talk! It could escalate into a (cpt) blood feud!
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Post by: MadMö on October 18, 2012, 07:02:57 PM: Awesome :o
And beautifully painted! :D
What a wonderful target for a French charge lol
You need stakes, i think...
Title: Re: Old and new ways of killing in the fifteenth century
Post by: traveller on October 18, 2012, 09:06:53 PM: Thats MASSIVE!

Where can one find all the arrows you used on your casualty bases?
Title: Re: Old and new ways of killing in the fifteenth century
Post by: 15thpanzer on October 18, 2012, 10:16:19 PM: Quote from: traveller on October 18, 2012, 09:06:53 PM
Thats MASSIVE!

Where can one find all the arrows you used on your casualty bases?

The arrows are all hacked up from the clusters of fours on the command sprue from the Perry WotR infantry set.
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Post by: Rutiguer2701 on October 18, 2012, 11:00:17 PM: Spectacular! Awesome! Great!

Oh, my God! And does it mean that you painted every single miniature? I'm gonna cry... :'(
Title: Re: Old and new ways of killing in the fifteenth century
Post by: 15thpanzer on October 18, 2012, 11:23:13 PM: Quote from: Rutiguer2701 on October 18, 2012, 11:00:17 PM
Spectacular! Awesome! Great!

Oh, my God! And does it mean that you painted every single miniature? I'm gonna cry... :'(

Thanks Rutiguer. The archers are only half the force. I have the same again in bill men and men at arms (including a few mounted). And yes, all painted by the same obsessed lunatic. Sad thing is I'm only just over half way towards my goal.
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Post by: commissarmoody on October 19, 2012, 12:30:00 AM: Only half way done! :o
You're an a machine!
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Post by: CyberAlien312 on October 19, 2012, 08:25:15 AM: Wow. Such a lot of figures! And brilliantly painted, too! :o
I wouldn't even come close to painting so many figures in my entire life. ::)
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Post by: Atheling on October 19, 2012, 04:43:54 PM: Tremendous stuff!!

And with that standard of brushwork you're heading for a 10 out of 10 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

I simply love 'em.

BTW, where up north do you play?

Darrell.
Title: Re: Old and new ways of killing in the fifteenth century
Post by: 15thpanzer on October 19, 2012, 08:01:33 PM: Quote from: Atheling on October 19, 2012, 04:43:54 PM
Tremendous stuff!!

And with that standard of brushwork you're heading for a 10 out of 10 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

I simply love 'em.

BTW, where up north do you play?

Darrell.

Thanks Darrell. I confess in spite of my fighting talk earlier, I am mainly a painter but plan to stage a serious game once both sides are complete. Nearly all of the retinues I have are based on Lords present at Towton. If your going to aim, aim high. Therefore I will be appealing to this forum for a recommended set of rules to use. And some help in playing. I had hoped I could stage a game at one of the local shows, but I have lots more work to do first. It would be a kind of coming out the wargaming closet! I'm based in Wharfedale, Yorkshire so would of course be commanding the Lancastrians.
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Post by: Paul on October 20, 2012, 10:30:56 AM: :o :o :o :o :o :o
F**ing amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: valleyboy on October 20, 2012, 10:47:53 AM: Jesus Jones Mother of Ronald McDonald - that is superb :o
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Post by: janner on October 20, 2012, 08:51:35 PM: Really impressive work :)
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Post by: painterman on October 20, 2012, 09:02:44 PM: Good grief - just seen all those archers - plastic fantastic...!!
Simon.
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Post by: Little Odo on November 18, 2012, 11:06:13 AM: That is one helluva archer force, beautifully painted. How long has it taken you to paint that little lot?
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Post by: Von Trinkenessen on November 18, 2012, 10:09:12 PM: "The sky grew dark as the clouds of arrows burst upon us."
I need a bigger shield and thicker armour.
Excellent work so nice to see big units for once, love the victim markers.

Guy T
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Post by: Dalauppror on November 19, 2012, 02:18:14 PM: Lovely sight ! :-*

Very good work!

Do you have the billmen and men at arms to back them up to? Looking forward to more lovely pictures !

Best regards Michael
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Post by: Damas on November 20, 2012, 12:53:35 PM: Quote from: 15thpanzer on October 19, 2012, 08:01:33 PM
"Therefore I will be appealing to this forum for a recommended set of rules to use."

I heartily recommend the homegrown rules by our own Silent Invader as they worked very well on the larger scale game I had the joy to participate in at BLAM 2012.

Now show us the pics of ALL of them! o_o :-*
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Post by: 15thpanzer on November 20, 2012, 05:45:14 PM: Gents, thanks for the comments and recommendations. Am away at present, but will post some shots of the the heavy melee hand weapons boys when I return. There are some earlier shots of the Yorkists on another thread - Testing, testing, one, two three battles. And some work in progress on the Lancastrians (which I need to update) on the thread - Two glorious Lancastrian failures. These are on page 8 and 3 of this section respectively. Cheers.
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Post by: sukhe_bator on November 21, 2012, 08:30:14 AM: You truly will be fighting in the shade with all that lot. I admire your perseverance. I am always in awe of people who can stick to a particular period and develop it to truly extraordinary lengths. I am too much of a flibbertigibbet, and like to flit from one period to another, and I recognise that it is only through sustained lengths of time spent on one period that you can achieve much. I salute you!