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Miniatures Adventure => Age of Myths, Gods and Empires => Topic started by: The Baggagetrain on November 27, 2012, 11:01:19 AM
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Would like to get people's view on 10mm figure, likes and dislikes hopefully there will be a lot more likes. so just a few words on your thoughts
Regards
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Wow guys, 101 views but not one viewpoint either way
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Maybe if your title was more specific, for example; '10mm figures, what are the pros and cons?' you may have got more attention from those that have definite views on the subject.
When I clicked on the topic I was half expecting to see some 10mm figures painted up...
As for my view on the subject, I simply find them too fiddly to paint, but must admit that an army at that scale looks magnificent on the tabletop when it is done well.
Hence I like to see them but would not be able to paint one (to any decent standard, at least) myself.
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I have a 10mm US Modern Army for Cold War Commander, it was easy to paint and this scale matches a modern battlefield.
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I love 10mm for epic battles - have Zulu, Napoleonics, Medieval, ECW, Dark Age, Ancients and Fantasy in this scale
One day I might get round to playing with them again
Eric
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I really like them and can certainly commend the quality of Pendraken Miniatures as well as their service.
I turned to 10mm because of the deterioration of my eyesight meant that I felt I couldn't do justice 28mm figures.
I no longer worry about painting eyes, etc but I still get a finish that I am happy with.
I don't find them fiddley. I bluetac each figure onto bottle tops to paint.
I have a few HOTT armies made up of 10mm figures. I also use them for skirmish gaming on individual bases.
They are also pretty easy to convert.
Why not go over to the Pendraken Forum and see what others have to say.
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Maybe if your title was more specific, for example; '10mm figures, what are the pros and cons?' you may have got more attention from those that have definite views on the subject.
Accepted, I shall put more thought into my titles in future.
I have seen a few other 10mm companies coming into life with the likes of TB and Van Dyck models and figurines also with Adler moving into 10mm and of course the likes of Magister Miltum and Pendraken the scale is getting stronger each year. It would be nice to see more come on line too, so that new ranges and a larger choice will become available for the wargamer or collector.
The Pendraken Forum is great but that is like preaching to the converted, it would be nice to get some of you larger scale guys to have a go at 10mm. If any of you larger scale gamers/collectors would like to give it a go drop me a PM.
Would still like to hear others peoples views on 10mm pro's and con's or ranges that people would like to see. Also the terrain side of the scale, is there a large selection out there or is there something missing and you would like to see.
I have now been playing Dux Bellorum in 10mm on an 80mm frontage and the games play very well I will have to get my own Late roman Army fully painted and based so I can take some photo’s but this will not be for a while as work commitments are getting in the way. So anyone who has 10mm Armies read and are willing to post some photos, well let’s have them.
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I bought a couple of armies from Kalista three or four years ago with the idea of getting into some 10mm wargaming. I was hoping to use either warhammer rules or warmaster. I kind of lost internist and they are sitting in a box mostly unpacked now.
As I see it the pros are..
Cost. I got mine at Salute and have two armies with all the needed units and characters for less than it would cost to get a half of one army from GW in 28mm
Smaller scale terrain is quicker to build.
It saves space in storage both for the armys and the gaming table ( I used a wallpaper table found at any hardware store and changed the hinges so it was attached along the long edge so it is really easy to store out of the way)
Quick to paint a single mini.
I like the idea of gaming in 10mm. Hopefully I'll come back to them in the years to come.
Sorry I've no pics to post. Tho I was considering playing Mordheim in 10mm for a while. Lol
Cons...For me anyway..
I prefer larger minis as they have more character ( it's easier to get attached to them :D )
You have to paint quite a few minis to field an army. Not my strong point.
It's a fairly niche scale so not many people to play with. And not as great a range of minis as there are in other scales.
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Just because everyone likes a pic here is my folding gaming table. The box next to it contains the minis for both armies (99% in packs still)
(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x24/davidoshea/b6bf0a3bdeeda544cc348c3b289b39c0.jpg)
And an unfinished ruined building for the Mordhein in 10mm with a Kalista mini and a 28mm for scale.
(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x24/davidoshea/4f0a8a415549173894f59673fbfe1136.jpg)
(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x24/davidoshea/f098676ad92fe3ea0bfe23c0cbab9f3a.jpg)
Not the sort of pics your after. Sorry.
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How could I forget Kalista (sorry Paul) very nice range, this is growing steadily in size. Their Hex terrain is fantastic and their medieval castle is wonderful.
Not a problem with the photos, I do like the idea with the table. The point about lack of people to play, there is still a very good Warmaster ancients following out there and the old Rick Priestley site has been moved and updated to the following:
http://www.ricks-warmaster.com/
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And an unfinished ruined building for the Mordhein in 10mm with a Kalista mini and a 28mm for scale.
(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x24/davidoshea/f098676ad92fe3ea0bfe23c0cbab9f3a.jpg)
Nice likkal building, smokezombie.
I can see that you have a thing for Pringles.
Put this habit to good use and make some towers out of them.
The smaller can looks perfect for 10mm.
:D
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Perhaps a bit too wide for a tower.
I've used a big can for a 28mm tower ( like everyone else) lol tho.
(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x24/davidoshea/minis005.jpg)
Any pics of your 10mm stuff?
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Perhaps a bit too wide for a tower.
Not really. Try it.
;)
Any pics of your 10mm stuff?
lol
You a velly funny man.
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....er yes..... Perhaps that came out wrong lol
I'll try again.
Any pics of your painted 10mm wargame miniatures?
Not really. Try it.
;)
Don't even try and get me started on another project Mason. I have my hands full from the last project you brainwashed me into ;)
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In the 90's i started 6mm napoleonics as i wanted games with larger (80+ miniatures) battalions as they look much better and at the same time i like games when there is room to manovure on the table.
15mm was still too large for that and at that time there were no or hardly any 10mm miniatures.
The main problem with 6mm is, as a friend of mine pointed out, that it is sometimes difficult to see if a unit with a shako is wearing french dark blue or russian dark green.
Pros - 10mm have all the advantages of 6mm, but the figure are as good as a lot of 15mm figures.
Cons - Cannot really think of any except that some gamers might find them difficult to paint as they have quite a lot of detail.
I have been selling all my 6mm collections and concentrating on 10mm from now on.
At Crisis in Antwerp i saw the new Romans from Van Dyck-
http://vandyckmodelsandfigurines.be/index.php/furniture/living-room/roman-army-imperial-era.html
These are easily the best 10/12mm miniatures i have ever seen. He had them under a microscope and they were still perfect.
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At Crisis in Antwerp i saw the new Romans from Van Dyck-
http://vandyckmodelsandfigurines.be/index.php/furniture/living-room/roman-army-imperial-era.html
These are easily the best 10/12mm miniatures i have ever seen. He had them under a microscope and they were still perfect.
Well, that's more than stunning, indeed.
(http://vandyckmodelsandfigurines.be/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/800x800/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/d/s/dscn6914.jpg)
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I'm a huge fan of 10mm. Pros as already said are price, space and painting time but there's another one: terrain scale fits better than with 28mm. I mean that a hill or a forest in 10mm look much like a hill or a forest than in 28mm IMHO.
Someone said Mordheim in 10mm. Here you can see mine:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Rp6_kYbaGwI/S6-cv9TgwzI/AAAAAAAAAlw/cp3v6fsBjnw/s1600/P3280003.JPG)
And my 10mm gallery: http://javieratwar.blogspot.com.es/search/label/Gallery.%2010%20mm. (http://javieratwar.blogspot.com.es/search/label/Gallery.%2010%20mm.)
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Lol. I think we spoke breifly over on Toms boring Mordheim forum Blacksmith. Lovely table.
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Would like to get people's view on 10mm figure, likes and dislikes hopefully there will be a lot more likes. so just a few words on your thoughts
Regards
Not for me. Just to small. And i do not like the look of them when painted. But that's just me talking. The big advantage however, is that you do not need a lot of space for say a battlefield, town or ocean. If and when i'll start my future/apo/scifi thingy i just might consider Khurusan 15 mm.
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I like to play mass Battles in 6 and 10mm,
and Skirmish Games in 15 & 20mm.
For modern Mass Battles like BKC & CWC I prefer 6mm, for Ancient and Black Powder Games the 10 mm Miniatures from Pendraken or Magister Militum.
For 15mm Skirmishes Peter Pig and others, for 20mm Elhiem.
What speaks for 10mm is, that they have still good Details, easy and fast to Paint, they are Cheap, easy to store and look fantastic on the Table.
Some People also use them for skirmish, but I never tried that.
Cheers,
Peter
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I find them much bigger than my 1/600th scale figures. :D
I am the kind of guy who used 1/300th figures for skirmish though... o_o
The pros and cons have been pretty much addressed by previous posters. 8)
I originally decided against the scale when there were much larger selections for 6 mm figures (tells you how long ago that was...) than for 10 mm and I had grandiose dreams for covering ancients through SF/Fantasy with 6 mm. ::)
That availability should no longer be a factor with the current array of manufacturers. :)
When I switched my aircraft to 1/600th and my ships to 1/6000th I pretty much, except for legacy skirmish, guaranteed I would stick with one scale (1/600th) as much as possible.
I think you would not go wrong to build all your armies (and terrain) in 10 mm sized figures today.
Gracias,
Glenn
Edit: for tense of a sentence.
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Back in the mid-nineties I put forth a rather long posting (history dot rec or whatever it was) about the benefits of 10 mm. In a nutshell, the big selling point for this scale was that it provided the best balance of ground to figure scale and still being able to identify what was being seen across a five or six foot wide table as essentially pointed out by others here. My lament then was that there just wasn't enough to convert but that, if the situation were different, I'd do all my gaming in that scale. Alas, I now have far too many 15s to make the switch. But the argument that was sound then is true today - but with the benefit of considerable choice.
On the terrain front, N-scale buildings and animals can be used to fill some of the gaps that do still exist, albeit at considerable expense relative to the cost of our hobby's products. (and we complain about prices!?)
I have been hemming and hawing about adding a period in this scale recently, Seven Years War, Haven't decided yet but just realized that doing so would blend the two "perfect" scales and period: 10 mm which gives the best table feel of a game and the most balanced and colorful and playable period of history (horse and musket at least). Opinion, only, but that's what I have to say on the period. (Those Romans are stunning.)
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I like to play mass Battles in 6 and 10mm,
and Skirmish Games in 15 & 20mm.
I agree. I'm doing vietnam in 10mm so I can do things like the helicopter scene from Apocalypse Now. I could do it in 28mm but I'd need to be a lottery winner with longer arms so I might reach across the size of table needed.
If you pick the right scale for the game there are only pro's surely?
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here are some of my Late Roman 10mm sculpts:
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I'm a recent convert to 10mm, having considered it a few years back but decided against for reasons of fading eyesight. I didn't think I'd do a good enough paint job. Since discovering reading glasses to be effective for my use, I bought two small forces for AVBCW and find 10mm easy and quick to paint, and they have an effective appearance. Really, I wish I'd used it for SYW, and might do yet.
I can speak highly of Pendraken in terms of quality of product and service.
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Pros:
a) Well at least they aren't 3mm.
b) Space. Footprint on the tabletop is greatly reduced and you could salt a lot of the little buggers away in a cigar box.
Cons:
a) They aren't 28mm. Actually they aren't 6mm either which rather ruins (b) in the Pro section and I'm not sure the trade off of detail re 15mm is worth the space factor or the price factor.
b) Too few people making stuff that I'm interested in. Could I be bothered collecting 15mm and 6mm again there's plenty to choose from. 10mm, not so much.
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I game in 6mm, 10mm and 28mm, having sold off all my 15mm armies many years ago. I will keep gaming in 6mm for Napoleonic’s and doing my Dark Age skirmishing in 28mm, but the rest I will do in 10mm.
There are more and more 10mm companies coming onto the market and some of the figures are better than some 15mm ranges, to mention but a few.
Tridentebologna, Pendraken, Old Glory, Magister Militum, Kallistra, Adler and Van Dyck models
Some people say that there is not much support or products out there for 10mm, but there is and it is growing. With terrain there is the vast collection of N gage building and scenic’s, a bit more expensive than what wargamers are use too but it’s a very large selection. The figure ranges are getting better and larger all the time.
I plan to add more 10mm terrain and scenic’s to my own ranges and complete my late Romans figures I also plan on doing all the enemies of Rome from about 200AD-500AD this I must admit has been slow.
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10mm and 6mm are great, have alook on the fantsy boards