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Miniatures Adventure => Weird Wars => Topic started by: Vanvlak on December 24, 2012, 08:00:24 AM
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Far too many years back I bought a small stack of 1/35 scale Tamiya models at a very reasonable price. The pile has dwindled down to around 5 vehicles, and I am thinking of using these for a mildly-Weird WWII scenario (i.e. restricted to altered weaponry, mainly - think of a tesla-gun invented in mid-WWII and fitted onto existing tanks; together with some very non-historical vehicles). Trouble is that at 1/35 scale I guess these are too big for 28mm scale figures.
Other than model kit 1/35 figures, are there any useful model sources out there? I am interested mainly in troops (and no zombies, chumans etc). Or do you think the scale gap with 28mm is small enough to be ignored?
AND - I also need a simple to paint but also 2-tone colour scheme based on historical schemes but not necessarily strictly historical. The tanks will be used for a state which definitely did not exist in WWII. Scheme should be simple to apply and ideally should not require an airbrush. My best bet yet was the British scheme used in the desert which included sand and pale blue, but ideas are more than welcome.
Thanks.
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Not sure what you are looking for? There must be plenty of 1/35 plastic soldiers available from companies like italeri or airfix and such.
On the Weird War front, there are some 1/35 kits that were made for Dust. Both Weird War II troops and walkers. You might be able to locate some of these to add to the project. Like these German rockettroops:
(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/1-35-Dust-German-Raketentruppen-axis-soldiers-model-kit-USA-SELLER-/00/s/NDMyWDU2NQ==/$T2eC16hHJGQE9noMcSRJBQtUSgK-tw~~60_3.JPG)
(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/1-35-Dust-German-Raketentruppen-axis-soldiers-model-kit-USA-SELLER-/00/s/NDMyWDU2NQ==/$T2eC16VHJGYE9nooiLK+BQtUShk9CQ~~60_3.JPG)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-35-Dust-German-Raketentruppen-axis-soldiers-model-kit-USA-SELLER-/360523060571?pt=US_Action_Figures&hash=item53f0d9555b (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-35-Dust-German-Raketentruppen-axis-soldiers-model-kit-USA-SELLER-/360523060571?pt=US_Action_Figures&hash=item53f0d9555b)
There are also some plastic kits for one of the Gundam shows that contains figures and vehicles with a WWWII vibe. They are labeled Gundam U.C. Hard Graph.
(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/GUNDAM-UCHC-U-C-Hard-Graph-1-35-Zaku-Head-Ramba-Ral-Commando-Set-Model-/00/s/ODEwWDk5Mg==/$(KGrHqR,!ogFBuwg462JBQkvdP7Yrg~~60_57.JPG)
(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Zeon-Cyclops-Team-Set-GUNPLA-UCHG-Hard-Graph-Gundam-Model-Kit-1-35-BANDAI-/00/s/NDE2WDcwMA==/$(KGrHqF,!oEF!QIybNRLBQR5N3KkTw~~60_58.JPG)
Great, now *I* want some... o_o
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Thanks White Knight, you might not have been sure what I wanted (heck, neither was I!) but you hit it on the head - didn't know DUST was 1/35, to begin with; and I never new they made 1:35 Gundam models, either - that set would work well - right down to the ZAKU head....! Do they make the whole thing in 1:35? Bet it would be expensive. And not mild enough for my WWWII. And I would probably end up getting it or something on its lines. Sigh.
WKnight - sorry for giving you the bug!
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I planned something similar some time ago and I was using:
- Trumpeter 1:35 models of the so-called "Paper Panzers" - E50, E75, E100
- Trumpeter 1:35 Soviet models - JS2; KV2
Trumpeter models are very good and cheap ;)
For soldiers, I was using:
- Dragon 1:35 German troopers (they've got lots of references both Gen2 and older models) from the late war period (I'll try and find some of them).
- Soviet troopers - mainly from Dragon again, like these guys:
(http://www.cyber-hobby.com/shop/images/modelkits/6019.jpg)
And you can also mix some modern guys (the soldiers with the brown uniforms):
(http://www.yahobby.com/products4/dml_35_soviet_vdv_3003_a.jpg)
The Dragon models aren't very cheap, but sometimes you can score some great deals on Ebay.
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You can also try Conte Collectibles WWII ranges in plastic. They do Wehrmacht; SS; U.S. and British paratroopers.
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Almost forgot, there are these plastic Tintin figures that were released for the movie and that are in the right scale: (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-geFLw6ZHbrA/TgeQEt4ExAI/AAAAAAAAvXA/sZGA2CGDEws/s1600/plastoy%2Bfigures%2Btintin%2Bmovie%2B2_05.jpg)
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Apparently this Titanium Series Indiana Jones diecast is about 1/32 scale. Might be a tad big, but could be pressed into service anyway.
(http://www.hollywood-diecast.com/indy%20cycle%20sidecar%20titanium.jpg)
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There's a guy on Alternate History forum who does some slightly weird/alternate history type Vehicle models in 1/35th scale. He also gives some tutorial and how to pics if you feel like copying him. He does some modern stuff and alternate ww2 things every thing from Stug Shermans to Panthr III and German IFV.
http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=218561
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Almost forgot (which is odd as I use them for 28mm), but there's also the 1/35 Ma.K stuff to take into consideration:
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b92/cyberwill75/0802280036.jpg)
(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/MASCHINEN-KRIEGER-Ma-K-SAFS-Mercenaries-Corps-Box-Set-of-5-MISB-NEW-/00/s/OTAwWDkwMA==/$(KGrHqNHJFYFChEC-))9BQpvWIDKZ!~~60_58.JPG)
(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/MASCHINEN-KRIEGER-Ma-K-Shutoral-Forces-MELUSINE-D-C-U-Box-Set-of-5-MISB-/00/s/OTAwWDkwMA==/$T2eC16hHJHQE9nzEzuD5BQpwMP5Irg~~60_58.JPG)
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There's a guy on Alternate History forum who does some slightly weird/alternate history type Vehicle models in 1/35th scale. He also gives some tutorial and how to pics if you feel like copying him. He does some modern stuff and alternate ww2 things every thing from Stug Shermans to Panthr III and German IFV.
http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=218561
In all these years lurking there, I had never seen that thread :o Thanks for the link!
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Thanks White Knight and Bubbles - very useful. OK, seems there's a whole world of 1/35 stuff out there!
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OK, this is probably old hat to you all, but has anyone seen or tried the Industria Mechanika http://industriamechanika.com/blog/ (http://industriamechanika.com/blog/) models?
Very pricey, but that Kastor is one fine looking tank....
http://industriamechanika.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=8&products_id=15 (http://industriamechanika.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=8&products_id=15)
PS - AND I have to find an excuse to include a Tamiya model I have always loved but which clearly doesn't fit in - a Flakpanzer Gepard in WWWII? SOmehow the 'mildly weird' label is getting lost. I guess technologically weird (i.e. no beasties) ould be a better description..
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Actually, I hadn't seen those and some of the figures hold potential. That tank is very costly though.
I don't see why you would need any excuse to fit in that tank.
I need to stop looking at this stuff though as I already have a massive 28mm WWWII collection, a lot of it painted, but even more unpainted.
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Actually, I hadn't seen those and some of the figures hold potential. That tank is very costly though.
I don't see why you would need any excuse to fit in that tank.
I need to stop looking at this stuff though as I already have a massive 28mm WWWII collection, a lot of it painted, but even more unpainted.
I always need a plot device to include anything beyond real life. Makes me feel better about (e.g.) Tesla cannon on a Panzer II.....
White Knight, you know as well as I do you always need more stuff - at least you're well ahead of me in WWWII, which means I will need to buy more stuff to keep me happy ;)
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been there, seen it, bought the t-shirt, spent the cash, sold it all off.
1/35 WWW2 sounds great doesn't it :)
it will cost you an arm and a leg. there are a limited amount of figures available, trust me on this, there are over one trillion Germans but only 6 British and 4 Americans available. Cheap plastic figures (Dragon) still cost £4 and will take at least an hour to glue together, resin (which look great) start at £10 and rapidly increase in price. Paint time is 3-9 hours on each figure.
Conversions take an absolutely age to do.
Scenery- wow, you thought making a tree for 28mm was a pain, even a small tree in 1/35 has to be 30cm tall, and buying scenery is only for the seriously wealthy.
1/35 is for either the proper rich or people with no job whatsoever, the time you'll need even to do simple things can't be taken for granted.
I know I've been there, I sold off 99% of my (large) WW2 28mm to fund the project and in the end just gave up, the time alone in just making & painting a section is comparable to a whole company in 28mm, and did I mention the scenery? yes I did didn't I, image trying to fill a simple 6x4 board with 1/35 scenic items, the quality needed far surpasses that of 28mm, what passes for mustard in 28mm can look utter toss in 1/35.
How about a simple 1/35 WWW2 scenario? 6 zeds against 4 infantry at a railway station, first thing no-one makes zeds in this scale, you'll now have to make them, bugger, I made some and they looked great, but the time it took knocked most of the fun out of it for me. The there's the railway station, easy enough to make one (again lots of time needed to make it), are you going to have a train in the station? that's at least £100 just for the un-built loco, now just spend 80hrs building and painting the kit...
It was at this point that just binned the idea and back into 28mm. best decision I ever made.
28mm loads of kit and a plethora of stuff for WWW2
20mm the scale for WW2, lots of WWW2.
15mm bit of this bit of that.
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Indeed, 1/35 is best left for Dioramas. You don't need a lot of space or miniatures for a small one. I really want to do Dioramas now. Damn.
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Redzed, that's actually the conclusion I made at least 3 times in the past; then I find the old models gathering dust, think about selling them for a second or two, than give up and start dreaming again. In principle I actually prefer 6mm scale - large armies which fit in a shoebox!
Seeing that I have very little time and not that much money, BUT being sentimental about old models, I guess I'll make a very small army which, seeing I almost never get a game anyway, I'll just be happy to own as a small project.
So what will be included are (including status):
1) a Panzer IV Ausf can'tremember - built and painted when I was around 16, currently being converted to take a laser.
2) a Panzer II Ausf darnitmymemorystinks - turret built with Tesla gun instead of usual cannon - lost in cellar.
3) a Stug IIIG - lost in cellar, not started.
4) a Brummbar - lost in cellar, not started.
5) a poorly remember Russian tank, in cellar - I think - part assembled.
6) a Patton tank, assembled, missing its cannon, in cellar (located)....
7) 8 American tank crew (!), located in cellar, unassembled
8) a Nebelwerfer, located in cellar, unassembled
9) a petrol pump (!), located in cellar, unassembled
10) a Gepard flakpanzer (oh dear), located in cellar, unassembled
I guess they'll do well for a Balkan state which has captured several German vehicles, used them against the Germans themselves AND the Russians, with access to time travel....
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It'd be interesting to see how big the Mutant Chronicles CMG figures really are. They are nominally 54mm (so ~1/32) but some might be interesting to fit in:
(http://cf.geekdo-images.com/images/pic326212_md.jpg)
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Apparently this Titanium Series Indiana Jones diecast is about 1/32 scale. Might be a tad big, but could be pressed into service anyway.
(http://www.hollywood-diecast.com/indy%20cycle%20sidecar%20titanium.jpg)
I was tempted into getting one of these (even if I don't get into 1/35 scale, it seemed a good opportunity to get a cheap model of that) and I'm pleased to say the figures at least are 1/35. The bike could still be 1/32 for all I know, but it doesn't look out of place. The bike is diecast with hard plastic bits, the figures are bendy plastic but could be made to look good (hands are kinda rubbish though, I'd be tempted to replace those).
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Mutant Chronicle figs - have never seen them in the plastic, something tells me they're more 28mm than 1:35.
The Jones' motorbike - agree about Indy's hands; otherwise perfect!
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No, the prepainted plastic ones are in a larger scale, which was something that annoyed a lot of people when they came out since it made them incompatible with the metal figures.
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Have seen them. The figures are huge, even bigger than 1/32nd scale.
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1/35th was the scale I first started modelling in. I have since moved on as well, but I always thought that scale (or at least the way they are sculpted) are far more realistic than any oddly proportioned 28mm.
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New 1/35 from Smart Max:
(http://www.coolminiornot.com/shop/media/catalog/product/m/e/mefr02_1.jpg)
(http://www.coolminiornot.com/shop/media/catalog/product/m/e/mege04_1.jpg)
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I wasn't aware of these - thanks!
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Oh wow, those are pretty cool.
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I'm curious how your project will develop.
Started such a project by my self some time ago, all still wip, but I guess I'll restart working on it soon.
I'm using the Dust minis for the Germans, some Verlinden resin British paras and so on.
Converted some Tamiya-minis into Zeds as well ;)
If your interested, here are some pics:
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=19186.0
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I'm curious how your project will develop.
Started such a project by my self some time ago, all still wip, but I guess I'll restart working on it soon.
I'm using the Dust minis for the Germans, some Verlinden resin British paras and so on.
Converted some Tamiya-minis into Zeds as well ;)
If your interested, here are some pics:
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=19186.0
Comsquare, thanks for the link - I had not seen that thread, and there's a grand collection you have there. How's it progressing?
My own plans: this began with a sorry old PzIV, fully assembled and painted and completed some 20 years ago, and a stash of old Tamiya kits. I initially wanted a WWII force, then veered to mildly fictitious WWII, with an inexistent nation fielding a variety of tanks from different nations (to justify my ecletic mix of stuff) and then to the mildly WWWII described above - and many thanks to all for the suggestions offered, by the way, very much appreciated.
The current plan is weirder, but in a different direction than usual. I am retaining the inexistent nation, and splitting it in two factions which are embroiled in a civil war which has sucked in and devastated the major powers which have ended up in alarm at the devastation wrought by the weapons being acquired or developed by the two sides of the civil war. There will be armour and few troops, and the weird element will be provided by lasers (the concept was Einstein's, many years ahead of WWII in real life) and Tesla guns of Victorian vintage, but much more highly powered. There will be walkers, and intelligent gorillas, but no zombies (mine live in fantasy rather than SF). And since I want to have fun and am rubbish and slow at painting faces, any troops will be, with very very few exceptions, helmeted or otherwise covered.
Planned stuff:
Faction RED:
Walker Bulldog light tank (!)
Su-85
3 x AT43UNA Fire Crawlers
2 x AT43 K-shooters (the gorillas)
Faction WHITE:
Pz IVG (standard)
Pz IIF (Tesla)
StugIIIG (standard?)
Brummbar (standard)
Maus (standard - if that means anything, in this case!)
Nebelwerfer
And then comes the trump card:
Faction YELLOW:
watch this space for details; will possibly include pigs!
And the wild card:
Faction BROWN:
Snakemen
And no, I haven't the faintest what sort of rules to use, and this will probably be a display set of models.
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I'm curious how your project will develop.
Started such a project by my self some time ago, all still wip, but I guess I'll restart working on it soon.
I'm using the Dust minis for the Germans, some Verlinden resin British paras and so on.
Converted some Tamiya-minis into Zeds as well ;)
If your interested, here are some pics:
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=19186.0
Where did you get the regular Sturmgrenadiers. I cannot find them. All I can find is one with the commander and regular.
EDIT: Nevermind. I just realized that they can be converted a little with some of the extra pieces in the box.
Maschinen Krieger has some good stuff. The big problem is that they are in 1/20 but if you can convert some the pilots and put 1/35 in there some of the power armour can look pretty funky.
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You can get some Maks in 1/35,Nutrocker(which I'm painting now) and some suits.I'm actually using them for 28mm :o
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I wasn't aware of these - thanks!
They have some even better ones:
(http://www.smartmaxstore.com/content/product_4811405b.jpg)
(http://www.smartmaxstore.com/content/product_4235194b.jpg)
(http://www.smartmaxstore.com/content/product_5558162b.jpg)
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Where did you get the regular Sturmgrenadiers. I cannot find them. All I can find is one with the commander and regular.
EDIT: Nevermind. I just realized that they can be converted a little with some of the extra pieces in the box.
Exactly what I did, used also some of the Anti-Mech Sturmgrenadiere for the conversions.
Comsquare, thanks for the link - I had not seen that thread, and there's a grand collection you have there. How's it progressing?
Progress was very slow in the last time, just added some stuff to the collection but didn't build/paint anything new.
But thanks to your thread I'm about to restart again ;)
Got me recently some monobikes cheap from ebay, that one
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MA-K-Resin-Model-KIT-1-35-JUNK-SERIES-NO-3-SEG-88-/110980409932?_trksid=p2047675.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D11%26meid%3D4864650095085726371%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D1005%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D290575222102%26
But your project sounds good so far, hope to see some pics in the near future.
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Progress was very slow in the last time, just added some stuff to the collection but didn't build/paint anything new.
But thanks to your thread I'm about to restart again ;)
I'll be very interested to see what you've got.
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That's grand, Comsquare, I want to see more.
Those monowheels ARE nice.
UPDATE: the few orders I made are starting to arrive, and my first two models are ready - as usual, I just have to make time to take pics.
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Man I wish Captain Canada was 28mm!
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Decision time.
Seeing that I have completed 2 models and started another 2; and that I should start taking pics and posting them: should I start a fresh thread, or go on with this one? I think I'll take the latter course.
I've been guilty of a small burst of purchases, and the mix is getting more ecletic by the day.
I am even including a WW I design in the mix - not to mention snake-men.
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I would say go on with this ;)
And yes, pics please...reminds me I wanted to do the same ::)
What's the new stuff you got?
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I would say go on with this ;)
And yes, pics please...reminds me I wanted to do the same ::)
What's the new stuff you got?
(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j108/vanvlak/january%202013/ape_zps3692ba7e.jpg)
Darn - just noticed the goggles! Am redoing them now.
And a walk by the sea produced a new model waiting to be assembled and converted:
(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j108/vanvlak/january%202013/boat_zps35486d48.jpg)
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So, what else is new? ;)
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The blue thingy looks like an sf3d Nutrocker in waiting,I await in anticipation ;)
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Indeed I am wondering as well.
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The blue thingy looks like an sf3d Nutrocker in waiting,I await in anticipation ;)
Er - seeing I don't know what that is, it can't be it - or can it?
Hang on, will take a peak on Google.
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Ah, I see - my ignorance of certain topics and models is evident. Very nice; and not quite what I am doing.
Meanwhile, I should respond to White Knight's goading, which is very specific as he well knows..... ;) :D
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Any pics of the Snakemen yet?
Think I saw somewhere one standing around in the background, maybe in the "Latest mini received" thread ;)
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Any pics of the Snakemen yet?
Think I saw somewhere one standing around in the background, maybe in the "Latest mini received" thread ;)
One done.
Not very WWWII, thinking of giving some of them a twist.
Snakes on the plain.... lying in wait for the troops coming up behind the armour.
Here's where the pic was: http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=1997.msg582225#msg582225 (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=1997.msg582225#msg582225)