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Title: Generic Middle East Village in 20mm (24-10-2015 Gift for a friend)
Post by: Gunbird on January 05, 2013, 08:38:18 PM
Just a starter for my project, to keep tabs on what I need to do.

Figures: Have what I need, will not invest in more till these are painted.
Scenery: Wrecks, civillian vehicles, optional bits for houses
Houses: Got plans and pictures that I have to convert to plans.

Managed to pick up the final piece of the puzzle last week. As I did not want to use foamboard again, or foam plastic plates, my choice had been set on cork tiles. Well, it is nigh impossible to find those here in the Netherlands. And what I did find cost me 6-10 euros for a small 4mm thick tile, excluding shipping. So out with cork tiles. At the local DIY store I ran into big packs of XPS insulation foam with big sheets, 59x79cm and 3mm thick. I picked up 1 pack, with enough plates to cover 7m2, which will now be my building meterial of choice. More then enough for quite the city!

For a change, I'm not trying to outdo myself on the detailing of these. Back to the old days when I had no money and plenty of creativity and I scratchbuilt all of my scenery. Fortunately most of the buildings in Afghanistan are pretty rudementary by our standards :grin:

I'll start off with a few small testers first as I want to try out some different ways of plastering them. What stuff I do have from Vallejo is too coarse, I'm thinking about using watered down Milliput to coat these. Edit: No, Gesso is now my coat of choice.

First building test. Took me under 2 hours to make mainly due to figuring out what worked and what did not. Used a 30x10cm sheet of foamplate to make this plus a cardboard tissuebox. Cutting and glueing that together cost me more time then the building.

It is supposed to be a small workshop with a rear exit. It has 2 coats of Gesso now, I might add a third just to be certain. Hope you like it, if you do, let me know, and if you don't, well, please don't hold back :D

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/Afghanistan/IMAG0441.jpg)
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/Afghanistan/IMAG0442.jpg)
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/Afghanistan/IMAG0443.jpg)

Title: Re: 2013 Project - Afghanistan
Post by: Marine0846 on January 05, 2013, 09:03:29 PM
Your are off to a good start.
Really like what you have done so far with your building.
Look forward to seeing it painted.
Title: Re: 2013 Project - Afghanistan
Post by: Centaur_Seducer on January 05, 2013, 09:05:41 PM
I always love your builds and projects, and I firmly believe that this will be a top notch, over the top job as ever :)
I do look forward this project as it develops :-*

Title: Re: 2013 Project - Afghanistan
Post by: traveller on January 05, 2013, 09:05:55 PM
Very nice!

I look forward to see more of this  ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Project - Afghanistan
Post by: Jase on January 05, 2013, 09:21:38 PM
Looks good!

Just a question, what's Gesso and where can I buy it?
Title: Re: 2013 Project - Afghanistan
Post by: Modhail on January 05, 2013, 09:39:40 PM
Looks like a promising start!

How sturdy did you find the XPS to be, compared to, say, the foamboard and foamed PVC we've both used before?
Title: Re: 2013 Project - Afghanistan
Post by: Gunbird on January 05, 2013, 09:46:21 PM
Jase, Gesso is an artists paint used for priming the canvas before use. Found in art shops, or in this case, at the local Action discount store in the arts and crafts section.

Erik, it is not very sturdy so I'm adding crossbraces when and where needed. Larger roofs, I'm working on one right now, get a large H-beam in the middle to support it. The plate and plastic we worked with before have a much higher strenght material wise but are a lot more difficult to cut. I'm finding this a nice trade off, cutting is much faster, but you take a little bit of extra time bracing it before you glue it down onto plasticcard or hardboard.

Considering I just did the basics of my 2nd, larger building in under 15 minutes of cutting and glueing, you see why it has my favor right now. Now just to cut strips of cardboard to do another 3 big shutters.
Title: Re: 2013 Project - Afghanistan
Post by: Jase on January 05, 2013, 09:52:14 PM
Thanks!

Does Gesso give you that texture as well?
Title: Re: 2013 Project - Afghanistan
Post by: Gunbird on January 05, 2013, 10:21:50 PM
It does, though I tend to stipple it on instead of brushing it on, which enhances the effect.
Title: Re: 2013 Project - Afghanistan
Post by: Gunbird on January 06, 2013, 07:25:59 PM
Bazaar test, bit bigger building, supported the construction in the middle with a 5x4 cm H-beam construction so it can take the weight and. I won't put my flightstands on it though.

A closed Bazaar. First clue troops would have of an impending attack would be closed doors and windows and no people on the street. When I'm more advanced I will try and make a working bazaar with a gunshop etc. For now, this will have to do.

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/Afghanistan/IMAG0445.jpg)

Now, onwards with building 3, and after that I shall make time to do some minor detailling and then paint the 3 in one go.
Title: Re: 2013 Project - Afghanistan
Post by: traveller on January 06, 2013, 07:39:32 PM
It looks just better and better! Any chance you could take a photo of the building parts so that we can steal your clever constructions?
Title: Re: 2013 Project - Afghanistan
Post by: Gunbird on January 06, 2013, 07:52:28 PM
Honestly, there is nothing to it. Foamsheets used for insulation laminate flooring and discarded cereal packageing, that is it.

But, when the first 3 ones I make turn out the way I want to, I will make more, with plans and everything. Tbh, if you want ideas now, go see Matakashi. His PDF on making Afghan compounds is very useful.
Title: Re: 2013 Project - Afghanistan
Post by: traveller on January 06, 2013, 08:00:35 PM
Thanks, I missed that part of his wonderful website  ;)
Title: Re: 2013 Project - Afghanistan
Post by: Legion1963 on January 06, 2013, 08:11:49 PM
Looks very good wayswatcher. And two excellent ideas; Gesso and the DIY stuff. Everything that is free or very cheap and can put to use to make scenery is welcome. Thanks.
Title: Re: 2013 Project - Afghanistan
Post by: Big Martin on January 08, 2013, 11:31:23 AM
A great start. Loving the effect you're getting with gesso covering. I used watered down polyfilla on my Mogadishu buildings and it was a pain to get decent coverage.
Title: Re: 2013 Project - Afghanistan
Post by: joroas on January 08, 2013, 11:32:11 AM
Matakishi has a wonderful series of Afghan buildings on his site.
Title: Re: 2013 Project - Afghanistan
Post by: itchy on January 08, 2013, 01:03:58 PM
Great stuff really enjoy your projects ,
Title: Re: 2013 Project - Afghanistan
Post by: 6milPhil on January 08, 2013, 03:03:18 PM
Good luck with it, but from this thread alone looks like you don't need it.  8)

Obviously you're doing Taliban but which Allies are you going for? I've done Brits and Germans. For figures I've used TAG, Eureka, LAM, Brooks and Empress, typically to get a "full set" you'll have to mix, and all those mix well.

I did quite a bit of Afghanistan last year, might be worth having a search on my blog, but for "Jihadistan"; http://6milphil.wordpress.com/?s=jihadistan (http://6milphil.wordpress.com/?s=jihadistan) might give you a few ideas. This year I'm doing a "Generation Kill" ( http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=49450.0 ) (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=49450.0 )) project which is Iraq rather than Afghanistan but that's why I have a fictional "Jihadistan" - I can use non-accurate units together for the sh*ts and giggles.

(http://6milphil.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/dsc02832-002.jpg?w=450)

(http://6milphil.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/dsc02445-1.jpg?w=450)

(http://6milphil.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/dsc02598.jpg?w=450)

(http://6milphil.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/dsc02503-11.jpg?w=450)

(http://6milphil.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/dscf3571.jpg?w=450)

... and don't forget your goats.

(http://6milphil.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/dsc00437.jpg?w=450)



Title: Re: 2013 Project - Afghanistan
Post by: Gunbird on January 08, 2013, 03:24:26 PM
Phil, no allies for me, just Talibs and Mudjahedeen. 2 of my mates have fully equipped Dutch forces for Afghanistan and that is who I will fight. Oh, and in 20mm scale, not 28. And don't worry about the goats  ;)
Title: Re: 2013 Project - Afghanistan
Post by: 6milPhil on January 08, 2013, 04:41:34 PM
Oh excellent, good to see someone else playing forces which aren't US. The goats are vital...
Title: Re: 2013 Project - Afghanistan
Post by: Splod on January 09, 2013, 07:52:00 AM
Goats are definitely vital. I've got some Britannia ones that repeatedly turn up in my games.
Title: Re: 2013 Project - Afghanistan
Post by: Gunbird on January 17, 2013, 08:25:35 PM
And the final testpiece. Just needs a final copat of Gesso and a sprinkling of sand around the base.

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/Afghanistan/IMAG0453.jpg)

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/Afghanistan/IMAG0454.jpg)

Doors will be painted a weathered metal and no, I left the doorknobs off on purpose. Or maybe not.

I've experimented a bit with damaging the model on purpose and seeing what it will look like with a coat of 2 of Gesso. Doors and windows are cardboard, with slivers of coardboard for the windowframe. K.I.S.S. as always.

Bit of a bare open spot at the back, but it does create a nice back alley when joined to the other 2.

Next up, finishing, basing and then painting.
Title: Re: 2013 Project - Afghanistan
Post by: 6milPhil on January 18, 2013, 02:07:47 AM
Sweet stuff.
Title: Re: 2013 Project - Afghanistan
Post by: Brummie on January 18, 2013, 10:20:19 AM
Phil, no allies for me, just Talibs and Mudjahedeen. 2 of my mates have fully equipped Dutch forces for Afghanistan and that is who I will fight. Oh, and in 20mm scale, not 28. And don't worry about the goats  ;)

Which company are the Dutch troopers from? S&S?
Title: Re: 2013 Project - Afghanistan
Post by: Gunbird on January 20, 2013, 06:34:19 PM
Good question. I'll ask them.
Title: Re: 2013 Project - Afghanistan
Post by: MajorTalon on January 20, 2013, 06:46:45 PM
Inspiration for YOU! Yes, You! lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S42BrLNTkc&NR=1
Title: Re: 2013 Project - Afghanistan
Post by: Gunbird on January 21, 2013, 02:03:40 PM
It sure was. Some nice compounds and wallstructures I want to copy at a later date.

Did not feel like painting but did feel like modelling, so added another residence to the pile. A bit more height in this one, but sparce on windows. For me, a wargames building is just a representation of the real thing and not 100% accurate, so when people occupy a building they can shoot from it on all sides...even if it is a blind wall. Keeps things consistent really.

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/Afghanistan/IMAG0455.jpg)

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/Afghanistan/IMAG0456.jpg)

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/Afghanistan/IMAG0457.jpg)

The house is basically made of 3 premade blocks stuck together, of which the seams I hope to remove with another coat or 2 of Gesso.

Now I realise they are not Afghani per se, but have more of a generic Arab feel to them. Being pragmatic, I can see them getting used for Iran-Iraq, Lebanon, WW2 North Africa and whatever I think is appropriate. Keeping them geneic is a good thing in my book, and financially sound as well as I don't have the dosh to spend on buildings for each period I want to get involved in. And don't get me started about the lack of room :)
Title: Re: 2013 Project - Afghanistan
Post by: Gunbird on January 23, 2013, 10:07:58 PM
I just want to take some time to tell you that making buildings this way is a quick and cost effective way, and all you need are some basic tools.

Let me show you what I mean.

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/Afghanistan/IMAG0458.jpg)

The current building I am/was working on is made up out of 3 blocks, of which the largest is show in the photo. In the back is the 2nd, smaller block, already made, glued and wrapped with 2 rubber bands to keep it all tight while drying. It also shows 2 of the 3 basic tools you need, a sharp knife (which needs to be replaced a lot) and woodglue. A metal ruler would be the third.

At the moment I'm not using templates, but make it up as I go along while looking at one or several pictures, or off a sketch I made. In the future I might make some templates, but since I'm doing everything of a basic set of measurements there is no current need.

A doorway is 15mm wide and 25mm high. A window for this particular set of houses is 10mm x 10mm. A normal level house is 40mm high per level.

Anyway, 4 blocks of 10x8cm form the basis for this house. The roof is a seperate piece of non standard size, but in this case 10cm x 9,4 cm (as you lose 3mm per wall). Scrap pieces are used to form a line on the inside 10mm from the top of the wall. This will become the support for the roof.

In the back of the photo you can see a H column made of strips of foam. This is used to support the roof of houses of a certain size or height. The roof is perfectly capable of supporting a full assortment of metal models, but to prevent the floor from sagging too much this ads extra strength for something that is made in seconds.

How this works is shown here:

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/Afghanistan/IMAG0460.jpg)

And when reversed and glued to its base, it will give full support to the roof area.


I also add strips to the sides of 2 of the 4 walls, just for extra grip. Since I use very thin layers, 30-60 minutes of drying time is all you need, so if I have little time I just make the basic parts one night and glue them together on the next, or try and cram it all in one go. And by cramming I mean 90 minutes tops for one or more blocks.

Now windows and doors I do differently then most. When I look at others making these buildings I see removable floors and open windows, but I'm not part of that school, lovely as it looks though. I'm more cautious and want my stuff to be durable, modular and light weight. Open windows and doors tend to weaken a structure, so I glue doors and windows shut with bits cut from a cereal box.

This looks like this:

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/Afghanistan/IMAG0459.jpg)

I put glue on the foam, press the cardboard on it and then use a toothpick to fold the woodglue over the paper, covering the sides and sometimes all of it. This soaks it in well and makes for a durable bond. But if you really need to, you can take a sharp knife and slide it between the glue and foam and then rip it all off, carefully. But a bit of planning makes sure you never have to do that.

 

Doors and windows can be made with just one sheet and painted black or like glass, and doors can be the same, black, weatherd metal, or, if you layer it with strips of cardboard first, (weathered) wood.

So now everything has dried, you got 5 parts, you just glue the sides, put them together and add a rubber band across the top where the roof goes first and then one at the lower end. Don't make them too tight though cuase they will damage the foam. I then leave these overnight to fully dry, or, when they need it, I add some more glue to the seams on the inside, and spread that out with a toothpick.

The next day I cut out a base, trim the sides, sand them a bit, score them with a sharp knife and apply glue to the underside of the model. Set down and wait another night. Give it time to set and don't be too hasty, you don't want to ruin them. Especially with the limited time that I have.

The next evening, or weekend, whatever comes first, I sand down the corners of the buildings with a cheap disposable nailfile and then coat them in Gesso with a big brush. Then use a smaller brush and fill in the sides and corners of the windows and doors. I use thin coats so 30 minutes later you can add another. I use thicker coats where buildings meet to strenghten corners or to cover seams. Set aside to dry while you work on something else, or read up on a forum, or what not, and I give them another coat before going to bed. Only takes a few minutes to do them properly.

Next day, sand the base, just plain woodglue over scored plasticcard coated with sand, and you are set for the next stage, paint. But thats for next time.
Title: Re: 2013 Project - Afghanistan
Post by: Donogh on January 24, 2013, 01:35:00 PM
Nice work on that Johan - good idea with the H-column

Cheers
Donogh
Title: Re: 2013 Project - Afghanistan
Post by: Sangennaru on January 24, 2013, 01:53:13 PM
veeery nice pieces! But i think you can achieve the same result with more solid materials. I'm saying that not for the structural factor, but more for the painting and the filler, they will likely crack if the budilding get deformed.
Title: Re: 2013 Project - Afghanistan
Post by: Gunbird on January 24, 2013, 06:33:19 PM
There are no more solid materials available locally, and I sure ain't buying stuff online for it when on a 0 euro budget.

There is a lot of flex in the material when in its sheet form, but once it has been cut, glued, based and given a few coats of Gesso (which is not a filler like material but stays flexible even after it dries, it is used as a good primer for bendy plastic figures in the 20mm scene) a few coats of acrylic paint will stay on with no problem, I'm pretty sure of that.
Title: Re: 2013 Project - Afghanistan
Post by: Gunbird on January 27, 2013, 01:48:10 PM
Brummie: the Dutch models are S&S and converted Wartime models


Far from humble this time, rather large and posh even compared to the previous models. Length wise it is the max my cabinets will take (28 cm's) so if I start making compounds, they won't be wider then these unless I split them down the middle so they can be used at the edges of a board as well. Well, maybe...

A rather large 2 story building with lots of windows except on the side where I envisage the neighbours to be, with a wall, later expanded into a covered hallway, ending at the, what could be seen as, carpark.

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/Afghanistan/IMAG0461.jpg)

The front of the building has the fancier wooden doors, and I'd love to make one of those iron doors with all of the metalwork I've seen in several documentaries now, but I'll leave that to it when I get to do a compound door (after a bit of practice). The top floor is just a piece of cloth, being blown in the wind so it moves a bit to the side, and the doors in the rear are either open (painted black) or a simple metal door. Windows are without framework this time, for the size of the building I assumed the owner could afford that.

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/Afghanistan/IMAG0462.jpg)

Open courtyard, I'm not in the mood yet to have it all walled in, mostly cause I fear I won't be able to have proper acces to it to paint it all. Plus the open end makes for cramped alleyways when I slot it all together.

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/Afghanistan/IMAG0463.jpg)

You can propably make out the lines on the building, thats done with a ruler and a toothpick. 1 coat of Gesso doens't fill it in, so I now have a way to make bits of brickwork visible in future models. For this one I won't do much to it, maybe some extra weathering to show there was a new addition made on top of the first floor. In a future one I will be adding square blocks with wire sticking out to represent a future expansion as you see all over the middle east.

Right, I've got a small village now.

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/Afghanistan/IMAG0464.jpg)

An added benefit of the building material is the weight. Since it is so light, you can easily stack em, thus making better use of the room available for storage. Also very handy for transport, just line a box with some protective wadding and you can haul it everywhere without risk.

Cause everything is based on square shapes stacking is also very easy for these models.

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/Afghanistan/IMAG0465.jpg)

But, adding concrete columns to the top with bits sticking out ruins this a bit. Solution? Simple, like every addition I make for the junkyard, they are all seperate bits you can just put on and off at your leasure. Bonus is that if anyone bumps into them they will just topple over and not break off.

Now, who makes a decent 1/72 wheelbarrow? :)
Title: Re: 2013 Project - Afghanistan
Post by: Suber on January 27, 2013, 03:28:40 PM
Quite impressive! I love your work and will keep an eye on it, as I would most probably end up doing myself some Afghanistan this year too ;)
Title: Re: 2013 Project - Afghanistan
Post by: 6milPhil on January 30, 2013, 01:20:06 PM
Good looking stuff. The whole work-in-progress is handy too, it's such a good way to get folk to build their own.
Title: Re: 2013 Project - Afghanistan
Post by: Gunbird on February 15, 2013, 07:22:05 PM
High tower that will double as a tower (surprise!), a rural minaret (they are not all round, you know) or as a handy JDAM reference point. A good 17 cm's tall with a ornate large door a 28mm fig could fit through, with a smaller door for a 15mm/20mm, for a truly multifunctional tower.

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/Afghanistan/IMAG0471_zps7cc68abb.jpg)

Other then the ornate door it is a simple thing, no windows. Thinking about making a seperate tile to put on top that has speakers on all 4 sides. Also damaged it a bit, both intentional and unintentional. Tip for next time, keep your eye on the sanding stick.

That's all for the past 2 weeks, work has been very busy.
Title: Re: 2013 Project - Afghanistan
Post by: Sangennaru on February 16, 2013, 12:54:03 AM
promising, and quite huge. :)
Title: Re: 2013 Project - Afghanistan
Post by: Gunbird on February 24, 2013, 10:56:34 PM
My biggest building to date, when cutting the board I was going to build an even bigger house, but after slaping myself with a ruler I reminded myself that a bigger house just won't fit my cabinets. And with bigger I actually mean wider, my cabinets are 28 cm's deep so that is the max.

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/Afghanistan/BigBlue1_zps73d411ed.jpg)
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/Afghanistan/BigBlue2_zps9ceff7c4.jpg)
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/Afghanistan/BigBlue3_zps8848e31f.jpg)

So far, it has given me the following ideas:

- A Gouvernors or Mayors house

- A hotel

- A police or militia station

- A radio station

- A political parties office

...and if I think really hard (or have a beer) I'd propably come up with a dozen more. Lots of windows in this one, it really pays off to keep refreshing those blades. Lots of doors too, now with knobs....the tops of pins snipped off and stuck on. And a small rock line from kitty litter (unused).

The bit on top is actually part of my 6mm Van Der Valk hotel sign I just grabbed from the spares box, just to see if it fits. And it does.

Somewhere this week I wil have to find the time to sand the edges of the base and the building and give it a few coats of Gesso.
Title: Re: 2013 Project - Afghanistan
Post by: Suber on February 25, 2013, 09:34:24 AM
Oh man! So nice! :o It's coming along in the most beautiful way :).
Title: Re: 2013 Project - Afghanistan
Post by: pocoloco on February 25, 2013, 10:01:29 AM
Really good looking buildings. And those intentional and unintentional damages to tower make it even better imho.
Title: Re: 2013 Project - Afghanistan
Post by: 6milPhil on February 25, 2013, 10:25:11 AM
Really fine work... thought of building a mosque?
Title: Re: 2013 Project - Afghanistan
Post by: Centaur_Seducer on February 25, 2013, 12:26:45 PM
Oh, I do like these! :-*
Title: Re: 2013 Project - Afghanistan
Post by: Gunbird on May 30, 2015, 10:04:42 PM
And then my wife got pregnant, the twins were born and we are now 2 years into the future!  lol

I was never happy with the coating I gave them, not enough depth, so I purchased a tub of filler and went to town. I tried to smooth it out with a wet finger but realised the stuff dried so quickly in thin coats, it was a waste of time. I will just sand down the rough bits when it is fully dried....in about 30 minutes or so :)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Blog/2015-05-30%2021.42.09_zpsh6h4pyfk.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Blog/2015-05-30%2021.42.09_zpsh6h4pyfk.jpg.html)

useless picture, but still. Buidling 6 stays the way it was, cause that will be concrete.

Now to get sanding.

Title: Re: 2013 Project - Afghanistan
Post by: pocoloco on May 31, 2015, 08:04:46 AM
Congrats on the twins first! And second, nice to see this thread re-animated :D

Did you try to put on the filler with some kind of spatula or a piece of a plasticard?

Are you aiming to have a smooth finish or rougher finish with the sanding?
Title: Re: 2013 Project - Afghanistan
Post by: Gunbird on May 31, 2015, 09:12:02 AM
Thank you  :D

I applied it with the first thing I found, a lollypop stick, but a piece of plasticcard would have worked just as well I think. The stuff is gloopy but spreads out nicely with it, and I pulled it up, down, left, right, any which way to create structure. I then sanded the exposed tips and any thick bits with 60 grain sandpaper. The finish is rougher then it would be in reality in this scale but works for me, and gives a nice tough coat to the model. The stuff doesn't snap off, I've noticed it has a little bit of flex in it, which is even better.

For surface detail see these. My first 2 attempts are a big rough, but I get better at it as I tackled the rest.

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/007_zpsqenr8xcr.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/007_zpsqenr8xcr.jpg.html)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/006_zpslwsnbil3.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/006_zpslwsnbil3.jpg.html)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/005_zps2qez883r.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/005_zps2qez883r.jpg.html)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/003_zpspyekmikk.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/003_zpspyekmikk.jpg.html)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/002_zpsevwafhep.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/002_zpsevwafhep.jpg.html)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/001_zpsk4yfviiw.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/001_zpsk4yfviiw.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 2013 Project - Afghanistan
Post by: pocoloco on May 31, 2015, 12:17:56 PM
Yes, I think you have nailed it, looks very convincing to me  8)
Title: Re: 2013 Project - Afghanistan
Post by: 6milPhil on May 31, 2015, 08:25:47 PM
Welcome back, it's all looking great.
Title: Re: 2013 Project - Afghanistan
Post by: Gunbird on June 02, 2015, 11:11:01 PM
Thx Phil. I haven't tried colouring the texture yet, but seeing as it doesn't chip unless I poke it with something sharp I think I'll be ok.

The Lead Mountain Challenge has set me on fire, I'm working hard to reduce the amount of bluefoam in my stash. So far, out of 10 sheets I've made 10 buildings and I'm only just halfway sheet nr 1.

I'm now building 1 building per evening, painting it with gesso the next day and stucco-ing and sanding it the next day after. (by testing I found out the Stucco sticks best to a coat of Gesso primer). I've added another 3 buildings now, nrs 8,9 and 10. 8 is the more extensive of the 3, 9 is 2 boxes on one base and 10 is just a big box cause I was feeling very uninspired.

8 is still a WIP but the shape is quite nice, a 2 storey L shaped building with a overpass to a 1 storey shed.

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/7%20-%203_zpsqspdvhvg.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/7%20-%203_zpsqspdvhvg.jpg.html)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/7%20-%202_zpsewaoirfx.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/7%20-%202_zpsewaoirfx.jpg.html)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/7-%201_zpsqdhzrovc.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/7-%201_zpsqdhzrovc.jpg.html)

The top floor exit needs some curtain cover, I'll do that when I have a few of them lined up so I can do it in one go. The shack dooropening will be painted black. The front door needs a knob. I like the covered overpass, I will try to make a few more of those, but bigger, it takes some planning but works ok. I might do another coat of Gesso on the top floors and on the opening edges to seal it all before calling it done for now and moving on to the next building.

I think I will spend tomorrow making a few boxes in different sizes, and then cutting them apart a bit and slotting them together to create 1 larger, ad hoc, building.

I'm also thinking of making a few buildings with higher roof walls. Now they are just 6-7 mm tall, I might make a few buildings with 16-17mm tall roof walls to see how they look.

I need more ideas anyway so I'm off now to Google stuff :)
Title: Re: 2013 Project - Afghanistan
Post by: pocoloco on June 03, 2015, 08:37:41 AM
Nice looking archway there :)

With that many buildings you soon will have a whole town! :D

Are you guys going to use FoF rules?
Title: Re: 2013 Project - Afghanistan
Post by: Gunbird on June 03, 2015, 10:08:27 PM
Not really set on rules, but I do have the complete set of FoF rules, so quite possible.

Decided not to make a new building tonight, just basecoat and stucco the 2 new additions, and put it all on a imaginary 80x80 cm table to see where I am at now.

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/001_zpsmtj9razj.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/001_zpsmtj9razj.jpg.html)

Thought of day: SF helo insertion table or Defend the Castle, central-ish square with VIP house middle-ish. These are my 10 buildings on a 80x80 square lined in red, so my plan of making 10 more to get a round 20 to fill a table isn't far off the mark. As I have made all of the buildings with just 2-3mm of base around them it is very easy to make alleyways and narrow roads. Plenty of doors on all sides so you can choose to go through and over houses. Ground floor and first floor only except for the minaret.

Expansion plans:

    Modern add on bits like aerials, plastic water tanks, sattelite dishes, communal garbage cans, generators, cars, motorbikes, phone booth, monument.
    1940's and earlier add on bits like jars, clotheslines, fountain, resting camels, older cars.
    Another 10 3 storey appartment blocks for a more Beirut/Iraq feel
    Set of 10 Tatooinish buildings
    Sci-Fi add on parts like solar panels, mositure farm, droids
    A set of walls
    A mosque
    Billboards

These are just ideas and projects just on their own, for when I have finished the first 20. If I keep up my current speed, always tricky, I hope to have 20 made by the end of this month, so I can start painting them in July.
Title: Re: Generic Middle East Village in 20mm (was: 2013 Project - Afghanistan)
Post by: Gunbird on June 05, 2015, 11:04:16 PM
Spent the evening at the club making a (for me anyway) vital tool.

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Blog/001_zpstbjhjgo3.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Blog/001_zpstbjhjgo3.jpg.html)

Anyone care to take a guess what it is?  :grin:
Title: Re: Generic Middle East Village in 20mm (was: 2013 Project - Afghanistan)
Post by: Furt on June 06, 2015, 12:18:18 AM
Anyone care to take a guess what it is?  :grin:

Have no idea but I'm intrigued!

Everything here looks great. I am a big believer of "generic" terrain too and you have done a great job.

I think your layout could benefit from some simple walls like these I did for my table. Easy to make and very versatile. http://adventuresinlead.blogspot.com.au/2012/04/cork-walls.html

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Z3dG7eizfj0/UFu_RtlYTII/AAAAAAAAAyY/CxGCvXVg_LM/s1600/Finished+Cork+Walls.jpg)
Title: Re: Generic Middle East Village in 20mm (was: 2013 Project - Afghanistan)
Post by: Gunbird on June 06, 2015, 12:59:17 AM
Thx! <does generic scenery secret handshake>

Walls are in the planning, but I prefer to work in batches to get stuff done, with the occasional side bit in the off hours or at the club. But don't worry and keep calm!  :D
Title: Re: Generic Middle East Village in 20mm (was: 2013 Project - Afghanistan)
Post by: Dr DeAth on June 06, 2015, 01:00:24 AM
Nice selection of building's you've got there.
Title: Re: Generic Middle East Village in 20mm (was: 2013 Project - Afghanistan)
Post by: von Lucky on June 06, 2015, 04:36:06 AM
Lovely stuff. (Need to get my set done in the next few weeks :?)
Title: Re: Generic Middle East Village in 20mm (was: 2013 Project - Afghanistan)
Post by: Modhail on June 06, 2015, 10:15:50 AM
Anyone care to take a guess what it is?  :grin:

Are they a doorway/window stamp/mask (right one) and (left one) a scraper to make the inside corners of walls neat?
Or simply a micro-trowel and micro-spatula?
Title: Re: Generic Middle East Village in 20mm (was: 2013 Project - Afghanistan)
Post by: Gunbird on June 07, 2015, 01:42:19 AM
Some answers came pretty close, but here is what I made these for:

http://20mmandthensome.blogspot.nl/2015/06/air-raid-sirens-speakers-tutorial.html

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Blog/Air-Raid-Siren-squeezed_zpsgih5wmfc.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Blog/Air-Raid-Siren-squeezed_zpsgih5wmfc.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Generic Middle East Village in 20mm (was: 2013 Project - Afghanistan)
Post by: Rhoderic on June 07, 2015, 10:57:56 AM
Neat! That does it, I must get hold of some of that moulding clay.

Oh, and I love the whole terrain project. Good work! Makes me think of doing something similar in 12mm for Heavy Gear Blitz.
Title: Re: Generic Middle East Village in 20mm (was: 2013 Project - Afghanistan)
Post by: Gunbird on June 14, 2015, 09:41:32 PM
Decided to put things in order, I know have 1.5 A4 paperboxes full of houses and I've lost track of what to do with what and what notes go withw hat item, so decided to catalogue it all.

Long post, but some new items at the end :)

This is where I am now.

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/001_zpsvmdz5aat.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/001_zpsvmdz5aat.jpg.html)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/002_zpsiy7mffrt.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/002_zpsiy7mffrt.jpg.html)
Building 1 is a workshop/shop with a rear exit. It is not really deep enough to be a garage for anything other then a couple of motorbikes. This one is ready for paint.

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/003_zpskj2lxhp0.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/003_zpskj2lxhp0.jpg.html)
Building 2 is a set of garages/(work)shops, the one on the right showing a few barrels. Ready for paint.

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/004_zpsw00dhssh.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/004_zpsw00dhssh.jpg.html)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/005_zpsp7ehqgsv.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/005_zpsp7ehqgsv.jpg.html)
Building 3 is a home with doors on all sides. My first experiment with slotting boxes against each other to create small courtyards. Ready for paint.

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/006_zpsefsxxhsy.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/006_zpsefsxxhsy.jpg.html)
Building 4 is a very basic minaret, with a fancy woodwork door. Ready for paint.

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/007_zpsymlunukq.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/007_zpsymlunukq.jpg.html)
Building 5 is a small home. The extra bit of wall is too thin. Ready for paint.

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/008_zpsfq4et9g0.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/008_zpsfq4et9g0.jpg.html)
Building 6 is my first official building that can be virtually anything. I've decided to stucco it as well, but go over each part with a wet finger to make it much smoother. Also, I need to cut the front garden pieces out. So, not ready for paint yet :)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/009_zpsnyx6x596.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/009_zpsnyx6x596.jpg.html)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/010_zpsklmqsqhd.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/010_zpsklmqsqhd.jpg.html)
Building 7 is building 3 on steroids. Bigger house, covered hallway and garage plus courtyard. Slot 2 of these together (maybe add a few walls) and you get a compound. Ready for paint.

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/011_zpsuh2daqek.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/011_zpsuh2daqek.jpg.html)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/012_zpsth2eohh3.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/012_zpsth2eohh3.jpg.html)
Building 8 is the same idea, house plus storage area, small courtyard. Tried my first covered passage and made it a bit fancy. Slots nicely against nr. 3 and nr. 7. Ready for paint.

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/013_zpsoh67fkvt.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/013_zpsoh67fkvt.jpg.html)
Building 9 is simple again, house plus storage area, with connecting wall 2 sheets thick, which looks better. Needs sand basing and doorknobs. Not ready.

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/014_zpspdm25amq.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/014_zpspdm25amq.jpg.html)
Building 10 was rushed, so I didn't get all my cuts properly lined up. I'll hide it with flowing curtains. Needs sand basing, not ready.

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/015_zpsuoxairsh.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/015_zpsuoxairsh.jpg.html)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/016_zpshwh06jqi.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/016_zpshwh06jqi.jpg.html)
Building 11 is the big house. Experimented with making one of the side buildings with an open door (inside will be painted black) for 3D effect, and rounded off roof-walls-whatchamacallit. Top floor needs curtains waving in the wind, base needs sand, not ready. Again, this piece can be made into a compound.

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/017_zpsuykjyt9x.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/017_zpsuykjyt9x.jpg.html)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/018_zpsr2rnowxn.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/018_zpsr2rnowxn.jpg.html)
Building 12 is the Gate, flanked by 2 houses. Was a bit too enthusiastic with removing excess base plasticcard, after everything dried I noticed there was flex in the archway, so I added a strip of plasticcard on the inside of the arch floor and used plenty of filler for the arch itself. Now it is solid as a rock. The top floor decking did sag a bit, but nothing major. Needs basing sand and should be fun to paint then.

8 more to go then! I'll make 2 or 3 more covered shops, another gate piece (maybe bigger? this on fits the average car/donkey cart, something tank sized or 2 car sized archways together would be nice). Some smaller homes would be quick and good additions and then I'll hit 20 soon enough.

Not pictured is the first bits of work done on making roof entry points, simple scrap pieces of plasticcard with a door or curtain and some filler, some ideas on making tv aerials (concencus: find a gamer with brass wire and soldering skills who I can pay/trade with.) and a vivid dream on how to make a appartment block (nice, but it ruined my night as I kept waking up).

I also did a trial to make my own vases/urns but as far as I think, that failed, not a symmetical vase in sight for miles. Nice try though. Picked up a new box of metal clothes pins for the doorknobs and to make future balconies stronger. Also started the woodwork for hanging gardens, and I will have to make quite a few ladders to get up on those roofs from the outside.

Sofar I'm still pretty enthusiastic for this project, which shows in the progress and the ideas I'm getting from it..
Title: Re: Generic Middle East Village in 20mm (14-6-2015 Added new buildings plus listing)
Post by: von Lucky on June 15, 2015, 08:46:06 AM
These will turn out great, I'm sure.
Title: Re: Generic Middle East Village in 20mm (14-6-2015 Added new buildings plus listing)
Post by: Gunbird on June 21, 2015, 08:48:56 PM
3 more buildings this week.

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/004_zpsqyiwf1ve.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/004_zpsqyiwf1ve.jpg.html)
Gatehouse (or gate with house on top) and 2 sets of garages/shops.

Nr. 13
The gatehouse. Decided to make the gate wider then the previous one (this one fits a tank) plus a pedestrian tunnel and a covered stairway to a small flat on top.
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/010_zpspe01yedp.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/010_zpspe01yedp.jpg.html)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/009_zpssdjpbo0z.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/009_zpssdjpbo0z.jpg.html)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/008_zpskwxepcog.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/008_zpskwxepcog.jpg.html)

Not finished, needs sanding plus sand on the base reinforcement plus some sanding on the inside of the arches, plus a door needs to be inserted. You might notice that the base is no longer 4mm wider then the building. I noticed that these box shapes are really tough and don't need that. Also, it lets me put the buildings right up against each other, so that is the way I will go with the rest of my buildings and I might even rework some of the older ones. Since they are not painted yet that is no problem.

Nr. 14
Garage/shops number 3.
Simple box, shutters on the front, closed on all other sides.
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/005_zpsa7fbif00.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/005_zpsa7fbif00.jpg.html)

Nr. 15
Garage/shops number 4.
Same as 14, but left 1 garage/shop open. Not full depth, but (just not) deep enough for the Beetle.
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/006_zps0ie5kflb.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/006_zps0ie5kflb.jpg.html)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/007_zpscd8e4qr9.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Generic%20Middle%20East%20Village%2020mm/007_zpscd8e4qr9.jpg.html)

The shops will get seperate awnings, goods and stalls that I can put in front or seperate at a later date. I got them planned in my head :) 5 more to go!
Title: Re: Generic Middle East Village in 20mm (21-6-2015 3 new buildings!)
Post by: Gunbird on June 25, 2015, 11:16:27 PM
Added something to the future project list (while I am at it)

Thx to a Pulp Alley topic on the LAF > http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=79956.0;topicseen (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=79956.0;topicseen) I've been inspired to have a look at city walls and a Arab fort. Well, a Sahara fort anyway. Plenty of those to find online, useful for Pulp, WW2 and modern era if you keep it modular. Lots of gamers have built them so plenty of ideas now. Well chuffed.

From the looks of it, 4 towers, 6 - 8 sections of wall and 1- 4 gates should suffice for a basic fort or a castle wall lining the table, with stuff like a tower and court yard buildings taking it up to 20 pcs.

Here are 2 of the most useful setups that I found on the net.

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Blog/CRReview08_zpsahhj6ai3.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Blog/CRReview08_zpsahhj6ai3.jpg.html)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Blog/British%20fort%20in%20the%20Sudan_a_zpss5inlwby.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Blog/British%20fort%20in%20the%20Sudan_a_zpss5inlwby.jpg.html)

Both consist of towers, straights and gates, are completely KISS and simple enough to build. Just those damned battlements worry me, I think it will be safer to do those in a double row of 2 x 3mm thick blue foam for safety....even if it means cutting out the double amount :P
Title: Re: Generic Middle East Village in 20mm (26-6-2015 more planning!)
Post by: Dougie on June 27, 2015, 09:12:02 AM
Just come across this, its to your usual high standard, lots of ideas to steal! Keep up the good work!
Dougie
Title: Re: Generic Middle East Village in 20mm (26-6-2015 more planning!)
Post by: Gunbird on June 28, 2015, 01:04:42 AM
Thx Dougie, will do!


Tried to watch the telly today after the kids went to bed, got bored and grabbed my tools instead.

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Blog/003_zpstx00trye.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Blog/003_zpstx00trye.jpg.html)

Nothing major, more KISS using fixed size thin plasticcard overlaid on a base, with details drilled and or raised (or both). Simple things really.

From left to right.

    Door with a spyhole for me to pop something out a la C-3PO and R2-D2 at the door to Jabba's palace (thx Rob for putting that idea in my head!)
    Reinforced metal door
    Sorta Kinda metal vault door, with the round bit inside for fitting a wheel to open the door like they have on a sub....my Zinge Industries ones will work for that.
    Normal door
    Piece of a old HO scale house that looked door-ish
    First door (and a lot of work it was)
    Door with thinner strips to colour in

While delving through my plasticcard scrap box I also found another abandoned HO-sprue that will make excellent shutters for sci-fi.

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Blog/005_zpsmjgve1ol.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Blog/005_zpsmjgve1ol.jpg.html)

Both lots will be turned into press moulds later this week so I can full out with more greenstuff and get plenty of casts done when I start my sci-fi buildings.

And in other news.....I managed to trade one of my surplus Black Hawks for a Star Trek Kazon Fighter that I will be converting a bit. I already have the Kazon Torpedo built up, flight stand ready, I just need to make a flight base for it when it is parked somewhere. Bargain deal really.
Title: Re: Generic Middle East Village in 20mm (9/12/2015 Doors. Thousands of them)
Post by: Gunbird on September 12, 2015, 10:33:49 PM
Got a message from my caster with a update:

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/11995579_976661819041758_1856761000_n_zpsczy9qu4u.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/11995579_976661819041758_1856761000_n_zpsczy9qu4u.jpg.html)

That should keep me busy for a while :)
Title: Re: Generic Middle East Village in 20mm (28-6-2015 Knock knock!)
Post by: commissarmoody on September 13, 2015, 12:21:43 AM
Pretty cool
Title: Re: Generic Middle East Village in 20mm (28-6-2015 Knock knock!)
Post by: Gunbird on October 23, 2015, 11:42:01 PM
Well, The metal doors turned up and I was promptly distracted by other stuff. Jay.

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Blog/022_zpsfmnovmuw.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Blog/022_zpsfmnovmuw.jpg.html)

Not as much other stuff though, but other possibilities, like 3d Printed items for te future sci-fi versions of these buildings, like this items:

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Blog/_56_zpsyo3jb2tj.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Blog/_56_zpsyo3jb2tj.jpg.html)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Blog/_12_zpszhpcae5d.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Blog/_12_zpszhpcae5d.jpg.html)

So, 2 weeks ago on my weekly hobby evening, I created these 2:

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Blog/018_zpsles9nbvb.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Blog/018_zpsles9nbvb.jpg.html)

Tonight I added a larger building to the mix:

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Blog/006_zpsudo6crxd.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Blog/006_zpsudo6crxd.jpg.html)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Blog/005_zpsxfhirh2n.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Blog/005_zpsxfhirh2n.jpg.html)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Blog/004_zps7ytlk6wi.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Blog/004_zps7ytlk6wi.jpg.html)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Blog/003_zpsqylepg9g.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Blog/003_zpsqylepg9g.jpg.html)

And they work well together:
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Blog/007_zpsecjex174.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Blog/007_zpsecjex174.jpg.html)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Blog/002_zpsggvtz9qc.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Blog/002_zpsggvtz9qc.jpg.html)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Blog/001_zpsy9aok3tm.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Blog/001_zpsy9aok3tm.jpg.html)

I'm building a lot of five 20mm scaled pieces as a gift for a friend who donated me a lot of GW stuff for pennies (well, I did asked him what he wanted in return) so these look a bit rough now, not sanded yet, no detailing done and not stuccoed, but I want to take all that in steps when all 5 shells are done, more economical time wise. Another 1-2 story is next as well as one 2 story building. I won't paint them though, he can do that himself :)
Title: Re: Generic Middle East Village in 20mm (24-10-2015 Gift for a friend)
Post by: Rhoderic on October 24, 2015, 12:26:36 AM
Can't wait to see the sci-fi versions!

I like that your buildings are not just cubes, but rather compounds of complex shapes. Those courtyards, nooks and crannies will make gameplay more fun, I suspect.
Title: Re: Generic Middle East Village in 20mm (24-10-2015 Gift for a friend)
Post by: Constable Bertrand on October 24, 2015, 12:40:29 AM
OOh these look cool mate! pretty exciting having your own stuff cast up!  8) 8)

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Generic Middle East Village in 20mm (24-10-2015 Gift for a friend)
Post by: Gunbird on October 24, 2015, 04:38:06 PM
Can't wait to see the sci-fi versions!

I like that your buildings are not just cubes, but rather compounds of complex shapes. Those courtyards, nooks and crannies will make gameplay more fun, I suspect.

Quite so, By giving a minimalistic footprint they easily slide together in any way I (or friends) can imagine them, something I always felt lacking in my old basing style. I really like what I can achive with these for the same, nay even less effort. All of the stuff I usually tacked on will now be on seperate bases so I can mix and match those as well. They can even be used in the sci-fi setting by the stuff I put around them, effectively doubling my collection when it is all done.

I finished 2 story shell of a more affluent house while my kids were taking a nap, and I think I will try and make the last house tonight so I have enough time to clean up everything in the 2 weeks I have left till Crisis.
Title: Re: Generic Middle East Village in 20mm (24-10-2015 Gift for a friend)
Post by: pocoloco on October 24, 2015, 07:28:11 PM
Those are very fine looking buildings already!  :-*
Title: Re: Generic Middle East Village in 20mm (24-10-2015 Gift for a friend)
Post by: Gunbird on October 24, 2015, 11:14:23 PM
While the little ones were sleeping today I built number 4, and tonight I built number 5. Nr 4 is a well-to-do house, 2 story, with a fancy entrance and a backexit. It comes with a loose dome (not in the pictures, only in the group shot at the end).

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Blog/005_zpsrrah1uny.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Blog/005_zpsrrah1uny.jpg.html)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Blog/006_zpsbi4g9vhg.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Blog/006_zpsbi4g9vhg.jpg.html)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Blog/007_zpsvvzlhlu0.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Blog/007_zpsvvzlhlu0.jpg.html)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Blog/008_zps4muhbwog.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Blog/008_zps4muhbwog.jpg.html)

Building nr 5 I did just now, also a 1-2 story with a terrace, but this time the door is sunk to terrace level instead with 1-2 steps down....I must say I like it this way. Fits with the crazy DIY architecture.
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Blog/004_zpsghggnquq.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Blog/004_zpsghggnquq.jpg.html)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Blog/003_zpstuwjt9do.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Blog/003_zpstuwjt9do.jpg.html)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Blog/002_zpsrw8mkpet.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Blog/002_zpsrw8mkpet.jpg.html)
(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Blog/001_zpsjhkg9u9n.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Blog/001_zpsjhkg9u9n.jpg.html)


And here is the group combined, randomly thrown together :)

(http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag363/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/Projects/Blog/009_zpsw41pa3pz.jpg) (http://s1373.photobucket.com/user/gunbird20mmunbird20mm/media/Projects/Blog/009_zpsw41pa3pz.jpg.html)

If I have the time, I'll sand down the lot tomorrow, clean up the edges, add doorknobs and metalwork, do the stucco and the first coat of Gesso on the roofs. Later that week another coat and sanding and then they are done more then a week before schedule, and with that I have finished the 2nd sheets of 12 sheets of blue foam that I have. Which is good, cause my trip through the DIY earlier this week failed to turn up any sheets at all where I last saw them, all replaced with green paper pulp like sheets....useless for my needs. So I better make these count :)

Now if you don't mind, I'm going to enjoy that extra hour of sleep :)
Title: Re: Generic Middle East Village in 20mm (24-10-2015 Gift for a friend)
Post by: juergen c. olk on October 25, 2015, 02:43:42 AM
Looks great so far.
Title: Re: Generic Middle East Village in 20mm (24-10-2015 Gift for a friend)
Post by: von Lucky on October 25, 2015, 10:49:38 AM
Some awesome additions in the last little while. Looking forward to you getting paint on these.
Title: Re: Generic Middle East Village in 20mm (24-10-2015 Gift for a friend)
Post by: commissarmoody on October 25, 2015, 07:10:12 PM
Got an impressive amount of work done on this town.
Title: Re: Generic Middle East Village in 20mm (24-10-2015 Gift for a friend)
Post by: Gunbird on October 25, 2015, 08:44:33 PM
Lucky, I won't be painting the last five, I'm giving them away as is, ready for primer. Finished the stuccowork tonight, sanding them down tomorrow and then the last details, and then back to my own lot. I'm dying to do a try out for a sci-fi tower I have planned, and if that works as planned I will do a whole load of those :)