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Other Stuff => The Lead Painters' League => LPL Archiv => Topic started by: phreedh on January 08, 2013, 07:31:54 AM
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I've been rummaging through my stuff, getting "organized" for 2013 and took the opportunity to put together a few groups for LPL7 (even though I've said I wouldn't participate). Just wanted to check if we're on for this season.
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LPL7 will come. Though a bit later this year, probably in April.
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Having enjoyed the Build Something contest the LPL would certainly be a good way to move on some painting.
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LPL7 will come. Though a bit later this year, probably in April.
Good news! =)
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LPL7 will come. Though a bit later this year, probably in April.
Good news prof. Now off to my lead-pile and see what I'm going to paint. Mmm... so many choices ;D
Regards,
Za
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Great news!
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Having seen the standard of some of the painting on this Forum I was somewhat apprehensive of putting my relatively poor painting skills on show. However in line with my New Years resolution to try something new whenever the opportunity arises I will throw my hat into the ring when the LPL re-starts. :?
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Yes! I have a Darkest Africa project that needs finishing and this will be the kick up the bum I need!
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April, eh? Might not be able to make it this year then, as April is when I am expecting my shipment of Timbor-Baby 2nd edition. 1st edition was enough of a challenge, so I doubt I will have time come April to commit. Now if the LPL had started a few months earlier, it would be a different story. Looking forward to the eventual entries though!
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Hopefully I'm in this year... 8).
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Can we give suggestions on themes?
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Can we give suggestions on themes?
Sure.
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Can we give suggestions on themes?
Suggest you add to this existing sticky...
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=18831.0
That thread includes a lot of ideas and suggestions we haven't used yet.
(Perhaps people suggesting theme ideas could check through it before suggesting the same things again? ;))
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(Perhaps people suggesting theme ideas could check through it before suggesting the same things again? ;))
What makes you think that'll happen ;)
cheers
James
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What makes you think that'll happen ;)
cheers
James
You mean I read through the entire 7 pages for nothing! :D
Some good suggestions I thought. Civil Wars seemed to have a lot of potential. Movie themes could be good too.
We used to have to do these art projects where we were given a title and we had to paint something reflecting that. My favourite was 'Clutter can be inteteresting'. A similar approach could be fun?
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In the 'LPL theme bonus rounds suggestions thread' I've updated the full listing of the 18 themes already used in LPL's 1 - 6.
In summary we've had:
World War II
Halloween
Cthulhu
Conquistadors
Mad Science
Back of Beyond
Germans
Saddle up!
The Lost World
Conan the Barbarian
Zombies
Victorian Sci-Fi
Civilians and bystanders
Africa
Scenes from famous movies
Old Metal
The Worlds of J.R.R.Tolkien
Maritime/Naval
So please don't suggest any of those ;)
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How about:
Post-Apoc
Cops/Robbers (any time frame)
Zorro/Wild West
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Suggest you add to this existing sticky...
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=18831.0
That thread includes a lot of ideas and suggestions we haven't used yet.
(Perhaps people suggesting theme ideas could check through it before suggesting the same things again? ;))
Said and done. I've even compiled a list...
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How about:
Post-Apoc
Cops/Robbers (any time frame)
Zorro/Wild West
Thanks Johnno.
Feel free to check out the suggestions thread at http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=18831.0 and add them there if they don't already feature :)
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How does this competition work? From a newbie perspective.
Eric
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How does this competition work? From a newbie perspective.
You can take a look at the previous rules like 6th (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=37133.0), but to summarise the key elements and frequently confusing issues...
- Entries are sent by e-mail. You must send a picture (or maybe several) before the league starts to get in. Later you send stuff when you want to enter new stuff.
- It's OK to stockpile even completely painted minis in advance as long as you don't show pics of them in any public places. Some feel it's more appropriate to take the iron man route and paint in "real time" but it's not required.
- In every round, entries are paired against each other and there are a bunch of "which one of these two is more awesome" votes.
- You get points for winning the vote, for the number of votes (even if you lose), for posting a new entry (never seen before), and for theme rounds.
- In theme rounds you get bonus points for painting some specific stuff, but a non-themed entry is still fine. It just doesn't get that bonus.
- Before the league, you're expected to spend a week or two scouting the acceptable limits of bonus theme interpretation. Most creative scouting attempts and the process as a whole will be ridiculed in a friendly manner.
- An entry is 5+ models forming a consistent team. Terrain bits cannot be team members. Their opponents cannot be team members. People cheat like hell but we pretend not to care too much.
- Many kinds of minis will do. We've seen 1/1200 ships, animals, monsters, self-sculpted minis, even space marines!
- Physical backdrops consisting of impressive scenery are commonplace. Yep, this is a miniature painting contest a bit like Eurovision is a song contest. So provide props, dancers and fireworks if you only can. It's entertaining.
- So is a witty team name.
- Now really, beyond the initial requirements (last year it was three teams in advance), it's not obligatory to post new stuff every week. An old entry of your choice is recycled. It can still win the voting but it won't get the "brand new stuff" bonus points. And voters tend to prefer fresh goods. And painting 50+ minis is cool.
The rest is smaller details. Welcome.
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Cheers...think I understand
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Eric, the Captain's summary explains the set up very well but as last year's LPL was the first I was aware of (I only really started to get involved in the LAF last year despite longer membership) I can probably give you a newbie insight! I really wanted to enter last year despite my painting skills. I was put off by the time investment required and the quality of work likely to appear. The quality issue was well displayed instantly. My form of primitive, wash reliant painting would have garnered only sympathy! However, by the end of the contest, having looked forward to every Sunday for the latest round, I sort of wished I'd entered just to take part.
The entries are amazing and as the Captain said the interpretation of the themes (and rules sometimes!) is of interest in its own. Composition of the figures, terrain and the story being told aren't necessarily what the contest is about but it looks fun to do and it seems to go down well. Perhaps this could be seen as exhibition space for the minis!? I wasn't prepared last year but would like a crack at it this year hopefully. I've seen your stuff, you should go for it! Cheers.
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You can take a look at the previous rules like 6th (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=37133.0), but to summarise the key elements and frequently confusing issues...
- Entries are sent by e-mail. You must send a picture (or maybe several) before the league starts to get in. Later you send stuff when you want to enter new stuff.
- It's OK to stockpile even completely painted minis in advance as long as you don't show pics of them in any public places. Some feel it's more appropriate to take the iron man route and paint in "real time" but it's not required.
- In every round, entries are paired against each other and there are a bunch of "which one of these two is more awesome" votes.
- You get points for winning the vote, for the number of votes (even if you lose), for posting a new entry (never seen before), and for theme rounds.
- In theme rounds you get bonus points for painting some specific stuff, but a non-themed entry is still fine. It just doesn't get that bonus.
- Before the league, you're expected to spend a week or two scouting the acceptable limits of bonus theme interpretation. Most creative scouting attempts and the process as a whole will be ridiculed in a friendly manner.
- An entry is 5+ models forming a consistent team. Terrain bits cannot be team members. Their opponents cannot be team members. People cheat like hell but we pretend not to care too much.
- Many kinds of minis will do. We've seen 1/1200 ships, animals, monsters, self-sculpted minis, even space marines!
- Physical backdrops consisting of impressive scenery are commonplace. Yep, this is a miniature painting contest a bit like Eurovision is a song contest. So provide props, dancers and fireworks if you only can. It's entertaining.
- So is a witty team name.
- Now really, beyond the initial requirements (last year it was three teams in advance), it's not obligatory to post new stuff every week. An old entry of your choice is recycled. It can still win the voting but it won't get the "brand new stuff" bonus points. And voters tend to prefer fresh goods. And painting 50+ minis is cool.
The rest is smaller details. Welcome.
Priceless :D
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Having completed the LPL three times and going against Frank twice ( I lost lol),it' great fun,it does put a hole in the lead pile too,which is always good ;)
So go for it!
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@ Elk
I was part of the LPL6 last year and really liked it manymuch! If possible I will be in this year, too (though I originally tought not to, due to time and such).
But - what I wanted to say is ^^ - it is not only painting skills, what makes You win. Sure enough. The better Your painting, the more likely You will win, for sure, but with some (not so say many) pairings, there were also other skills which made the winner!
A funny title, a suitable setting, etc. ... really! Not just painting!
Anyhow ... it is just hilariously funny to be part of it!
best wishes
DK
PS
I checked my "Kram" - 6 gangs already ... they just need a bit painting ^^
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I'd love to do it again. Had a blast, and I really looked forward to seeing what everyone did each Sunday morning. :)
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... to seeing what everyone did each Sunday morning. :)
haha! You're right here. It's weird and funny to know, that on a given moment You know, that all over world some 100s of people are doing the same thing at the same time ... *click* oohh!! *click* wow!! *click* uuuuuhhhh lol
love it
best wishes
DK
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Convinced - when is it happening ? What is the theme?
Eric
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Yet to be finalised on both counts, Giles. Watch this space :)
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Cheers Richard
Will keep my eyes peeled....ps the latest WOTR stuff is looking great.
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You can take a look at the previous rules like 6th (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=37133.0), but to summarise the key elements and frequently confusing issues...
- Entries are sent by e-mail. You must send a picture (or maybe several) before the league starts to get in. Later you send stuff when you want to enter new stuff.
- It's OK to stockpile even completely painted minis in advance as long as you don't show pics of them in any public places. Some feel it's more appropriate to take the iron man route and paint in "real time" but it's not required.
- In every round, entries are paired against each other and there are a bunch of "which one of these two is more awesome" votes.
- You get points for winning the vote, for the number of votes (even if you lose), for posting a new entry (never seen before), and for theme rounds.
- In theme rounds you get bonus points for painting some specific stuff, but a non-themed entry is still fine. It just doesn't get that bonus.
- Before the league, you're expected to spend a week or two scouting the acceptable limits of bonus theme interpretation. Most creative scouting attempts and the process as a whole will be ridiculed in a friendly manner.
- An entry is 5+ models forming a consistent team. Terrain bits cannot be team members. Their opponents cannot be team members. People cheat like hell but we pretend not to care too much.
- Many kinds of minis will do. We've seen 1/1200 ships, animals, monsters, self-sculpted minis, even space marines!
- Physical backdrops consisting of impressive scenery are commonplace. Yep, this is a miniature painting contest a bit like Eurovision is a song contest. So provide props, dancers and fireworks if you only can. It's entertaining.
- So is a witty team name.
- Now really, beyond the initial requirements (last year it was three teams in advance), it's not obligatory to post new stuff every week. An old entry of your choice is recycled. It can still win the voting but it won't get the "brand new stuff" bonus points. And voters tend to prefer fresh goods. And painting 50+ minis is cool.
The rest is smaller details. Welcome.
A cynical but rather to the point interpretation of the rules... lol
Let me add that the LPL is a young man's game.
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Didn't realize that it was Dolmot that did the summary, so good job on that! :D
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Well I couldn't have put it better myself.
I think Dolmot has gone to the heart of the LPL psyche...
We make rules that we try to keep as simple and easy as possible - everyone else expends huge amounts of energy and ingenuity trying to work out ways of getting round them and finding the slightest loopholes.
Just human nature I guess ::)
Let's hope LPL7, when it arrives, is approached by all comers in the generous, constructive spirit which was always intended :)
(But I won't hold my breath).
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I think Dolmot has gone to the heart of the LPL psyche...
We make rules that we try to keep as simple and easy as possible - everyone else expends huge amounts of energy and ingenuity trying to work out ways of getting round them and finding the slightest loopholes.
Just human nature I guess ::)
Hey, the comment on theme stretching was just a single item added for comedy. :) I find the phenomenon quite natural. Pretty much everyone would probably want to participate in a themed round, either for the spirit or for points. However, there's always room for interpretation. Sometimes people have stuff that's almost applicable...or not quite but sort of...or maybe there's something they could add to existing projects but it takes some stretching again. Not everyone wants to buy and paint stuff that would be exactly right for the theme but completely useless afterwards. Meanwhile, people who happen to have 100% matching stuff (or plans involving it) can sit back, point and laugh at the stretching attempts.
Of course, any theme will have its hazy border arears so it's hardly possible to prevent this...unless you state something like "paint an unbased Grenadier 1987 Jabberwock blue". But would that be any fun?
Most of the items in my summary weren't related to that, though. Even if we're trying to make the rules simple, the sheer amount of technical details such as timing, submitting, scoring etc. make the official rules topic a formidable wall of text. That's why I tried to pick up the points that most often cause confusion. It's not once or twice during these years when I've seen questions like "what if I don't have themed minis?" or "do I get kicked out if I don't post every week?" I wanted to answers those and include a few humorous aspects to reflect the less serious nature of this so-called competition. That's all.
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...a few humorous aspects to reflect the less serious nature of this so-called competition. That's all.
Exactly.
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actually I judged many questions about the rules as "I am not sure, if I understood them correct" and not like "how to get around them *sinisterlaugh*". Since we all - or for sure most of us - know, that it is more of a fun contest, we just do NOT want to get around the rules. But for that, you have to understand them and - last but not least - not all of us are native in English.
In the end what I think is the most anoying when "membering" a competition is to be outcasted for not obeying the rules and realizing afterwards, that it simply was a misunderstanding, which could have been solved just by asking. Somthing like "oh, dear, u ment 'minis' not 'mines' ... damn!" ^^
And talking about the maybe-vagueness and interpretation of the special-round-rules - I think that makes the LPL all the more colorful, which is one of the best things anyway!
I don't know of any competition where there are NOT tons of lots of rules just to ensure to compare two more or less equal minis *snore*
Lots of competitions, where the minis, the theme or the amount of minis is exactly the same, so to make it easier to compare them. I really LOVE this concept of this LPL-idea. The pairings are often hilariously funny to watch and mindboggling to decide, which is fun all by itself.
so ... go on! I need to be mindboggled again this year!
best wishes
Drachenklinge
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actually I judged many questions about the rules as "I am not sure, if I understood them correct"
I am not sure I don't quite agree... >:D There are a quite a few wargames who relish the chance to put rules under the microscope.
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I am not sure I don't quite agree... >:D There are a quite a few wargames who relish the chance to put rules under the microscope.
And there's always an inverted "V for Victory" hand gesture waiting those that try to hard to be lazy.
But I have to agree that themes have so far scared me away (although, had I known about this years project, I would have joined).
Who's running it this year? :)
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I am not sure I don't quite agree... >:D There are a quite a few wargames who relish the chance to put rules under the microscope.
oh, well! I am NOT talking about gaming-rules, here! o_o
best wishes
DK
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Who's running it this year? :)
To be announced ;)
On the rules point, I'm afraid that while many people genuinely seek clarification on particular points, I know for a fact there are a few LAFers who simply like to test rules (any rules) to destruction as an intellectual challenge.
Or maybe it's just they don't like rules they didn't write themselves ::)
I know this because people have admitted it (sometimes people with absolutely no intention of taking part, which is even more unfathomable).
Needless to say, this is NOT the spirit which was intended for the LPL. It's a competition, yes, but to be approached with the constructive, Corinthian attitude that is our LAF way...
As the Prof once said, basically the rules are: paint 5 figures, take a picture of them, send it in. That's it. We shouldn't need to tie ourselves up in ever longer and more complicated rules if people simply approached it in the right spirit.
And we won't do so - so let's hope LPL7, when it arrives, does not have to go undergo such trials...
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Maybe there should be points - or a side competition - for the most ingeniously skewed interpretation of the themes - with an emphasis on ingenious, rather than devious. ;) ;D
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Will we get enough notice to order figures. Since I cleared my lead pile I only buy what I can paint...no surplus hanging around
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Dolmot's summary of the rules was spot on - and nicely tongue-in-cheek in relation to the (mostly) good natured rangling that goes in relation to interpreting rules and bending bonus-round themes. I tend to take things as they come, but I also have to say that seeing the way others interpret themes in different ways is part of the fun of the competition for me as well - quite apart from the wonderful painting, of course! While it's called a competition, it's a lot more than that - a forum for creativity, skill, fun, and art!
Surgery kept me out of LPL 5, and illness kept me out of LPL 6, but it is my earnest desire to take part in LPL 7. The April start will work in my favour, too, as I'll finish the teaching semester at the end of the April, and the summer will stretch ahead of me, full of long sunny days of painting!
Somebody did ask - and I'll echo it here - will we get a bit of notice in case we need to do order some lead for some of the rounds?
Roll on LPL7!
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For the last two we were notified of the timing and themes at least 6 weeks in advance so I assume that will be the case again.
Blue
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Yes, i'm sure we'll give around the same amount of notice - so would-be participants can psych themselves up! ;)
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As the Prof once said, basically the rules are: paint 5 figures, take a picture of them, send it in. That's it. We shouldn't need to tie ourselves up in ever longer and more complicated rules if people simply approached it in the right spirit.
And we won't do so - so let's hope LPL7, when it arrives, does not have to go undergo such trials...
8)
And we have not even started to discuss that "Photoshop"-isssue once again ... ::)
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And we have not even started to discuss that "Photoshop"-isssue once again ... ::)
Oh please no... ;D
I am just hoping to avoid you in the next round of Mr Dean's current competition Michael ;)
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And there's always an inverted "V for Victory" hand gesture waiting those that try to hard to be lazy.
But I have to agree that themes have so far scared me away (although, had I known about this years project, I would have joined).
Who's running it this year? :)
How about Scandinavians ? ;)
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How about Scandinavians ? ;)
Oh, I'd like that. I'd finally get to paint this:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=35231.0;attach=4732;image)
A personal note: funny think how CanO'Beer, son of Hammers , used to fit in a sling like that. These days my back would snap like a dry twig.
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The Scandinavian proposal is rather good!
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The Scandinavian proposal is rather good!
Hey hey hey! Does it include Finland? The Scandinavian peninsula only scratches Finland's northern parts, and there are multiple definitions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavia#Terminology_and_use) for the term. I require official clarification to this border issue!
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Hey hey hey! Does it include Finland? The Scandinavian peninsula only scratches Finland's northern parts, and there are multiple definitions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavia#Terminology_and_use) for the term. I require official clarification to this border issue!
If we're getting Scandinavia (+ Finland) I must insist on 'Malta' as a theme, in order to establish geographically significant equality ;D
(it would actually be a good one, incidentally)
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Hey hey hey! Does it include Finland? The Scandinavian peninsula only scratches Finland's northern parts, and there are multiple definitions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavia#Terminology_and_use) for the term. I require official clarification to this border issue!
Of course,for I am a Finn(ie,my surname lol).
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Of course,for I am a Finn(ie,my surname lol).
Is the first name Mickey?
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I've got the teams assembled and ready for priming. Game on gentlemen? =) I'm still not sure I'll participate but I really feel like it. The realistic part of me knows I won't have the time for it... =/
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Hey hey hey! Does it include Finland? The Scandinavian peninsula only scratches Finland's northern parts, and there are multiple definitions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavia#Terminology_and_use) for the term. I require official clarification to this border issue!
Of course it will! While the term in its academic sense doesn't include Finland, I believe that most people think its part of Scandivia :) I would assume that the same would go for the UK, and include Ireland*.
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Is the first name Mickey?
lol No,Guy.
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If there is a 7 I may have to throw down again!
The LPL got me to paint 14 Minotaurs ready for a comp last year and I could do with that extra motivation again. The bonus rounds are always a fun challenge and getting to see everyones work is ace, unless your average paint skills keep going up against the comp leaders for the first 4 weeks... :o
3 teams to enter was a great kick off last time, should do that again!
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I've got the teams assembled and ready for priming. Game on gentlemen? =) I'm still not sure I'll participate but I really feel like it. The realistic part of me knows I won't have the time for it... =/
Come on mate....you know you want too...everyone is doing it....if you've got the teams sorted then get to painting...that way there won't be quite the rush when the game is officially on. At least that's the premise I'm trying to work under!
We need you phreedh!
Cheers,
Blue
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As long as the start is after Salute I'm in ;) :D
cheers
James
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The bonus rounds are always a fun challenge and getting to see everyones work is ace, unless your average paint skills keep going up against the comp leaders for the first 4 weeks... :o
Yeah. The LPL is a great motivator to improve your painting skills and to paint different figures than you would normally game with. I have no illusions about where I will place though. Maybe we need an exhibition league. :D
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I don't think I've painted much of anything for myself since May 2012, mainly just contract work. As usual I'll have to go the "Iron Man" route and paint week to week, barely making deadlines again...
Good news is I have so many damn miniatures I probably won't need to buy any for this one. Unless a theme is Scandanavians :o
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I may try to jump in as well. My painting skills are still nowhere near the level I would prefer but I think being forced to paint things this often would help to improve that immensely. Besides that is right after the Reaper Bones kickstarter haul arrives, so cutting down on that and some of the other piles of minis I have laying around would not be a terrible idea.
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Another LPL would be great! I missed the last one, but participated in the three before that one and had a blast every time. Althought starting in april might be a bit tricky for me, since we're expecting our first child halfway through that month 8)
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This is the kicker I need to get myself working again! I'm so in when the time comes.
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Damn, this wait is killing me! :D
I really need to plan my painting over the coming months, and I'd hate to paint stuff that's unnecessary (well, they're not, but you get my point) ;)
So, any news Cap? :)
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Some news soon, all being well...
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Phew!
(http://sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/i/keep-calm-lpl-7-will-happen.png)
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lol lol lol
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Looks like real life has just kicked me out of any LPL this year. :'(
Hopefully it starts soon though so I will at least have cool pictures to look at. :)
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jUST HAD AN EMAIL SAYING IT HAS ALL STARTED ...WHERE?
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Not till the 14th :)