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Miniatures Adventure => Medieval Adventures => Topic started by: Conquest Games on January 14, 2013, 08:42:33 AM
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You probably all know us for our plastic 28mm Norman miniatures, but we have branched out a bit and gone a little later with our latest range of metal minis. Please take a look at our new range of "Robin Hood - Wolfshead" miniatures - sculpted to fit into a 'mythical' 12th Century.
(http://i950.photobucket.com/albums/ad342/Conquest_Games/Robin%20Hood%20-%20Wolfshead/robin_zps392b3795.jpg)
(http://i950.photobucket.com/albums/ad342/Conquest_Games/Robin%20Hood%20-%20Wolfshead/robin2_zpse4e62e8f.jpg)
Available at our webstore now...
http://www.conquest-games.co.uk/index.php?cPath=31_40
There will be more to come for this range during the year.
Thanks for looking.
Mike
Conquest Games
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like them,though think john could be stretched a little more for my liking.
keep em coming,looking good!
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Yeah, good call, but a taller John would have been nice for the true 'Hollywood effect' ;)
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Excellent.
I have just picked up some conquest horsemen to start a SAGA warband. Now I can see some extended use for them.
Yeah, good call, but a taller John would have been nice for the true 'Hollywood effect' ;)
If you make the figures base a little bit thicker that his companions- which I do by adding a slither of 0.5mm or 1mm thick plasticard- then the effect is surprisingly good for enhancing the overall effect of hight. It doesn't show when the base is flocked/decorated.
I think this is what Tom Cruise does.
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So this is a different Conquest to the Conquest that do North American Indian tribes and such?
The whole Brigade Games/Brigade Models thing again. Could be a bit confusing. Oh well. Getting your figure manufacturers muddled up is all part of life's rich tapestry, I guess.
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Yep, Conquest and Conquest, Brigade and Brigade... ::)
I'm sure there are reasons behind it, but it is all a bit confusing o_o
Mind you, my own wargames figure venture is going to be called 'Warlord Foundry', so I shouldn't complain ;)
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Very nice !
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Very nice. Looking forward to more. :)
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Any chance of a comparison shot next to some well known manufacturers as they look a little dwarvish :?
cheers
James
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:'( I can't see the pics :'(
Mind you, my own wargames figure venture is going to be called 'Warlord Foundry', so I shouldn't complain ;)
Or perhaps Wargames Foundry Workshop?
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Any chance of a comparison shot next to some well known manufacturers as they look a little dwarvish :?
cheers
James
Seconded, they do look a little on the squat side, Perhaps its the camera angle, but I would certainly like to see a comparison photo as well.
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I have just received my order of these figures, which came very quickly. I have been waiting 29 years for figures based on the 80's Robin of Sherwood so was very excited to see them. They are lovely sculpts , but perhaps Tuck and John's heads are too big, and John is nowhere near tall enough. The real downside is that they are all way too small altogether to fit in with the rest of my 12th century figures which I have been buying to start a Robin Hood collection.
These outlaws are dwarfed by Crusader Miniatures (which I have used for Gisburne's men) , Black Tree, Gripping Beast and of course Blue Moon (which are pretty big anyway). The Reaper figure I have chosen for Owen of Clun is almost twice the height of Robin.
I understand Conquest are going to release the rest of the Outlaws (we need a Nasir for sure) followed by some of the baddies, but I would really appreciate it if they rescaled to fit in with other manufacturers. Even with the bases built up, they just look too slight. :'(
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Hot on the heels of my last post, I decided to take a few pics of these figures with other manufacturers
(http://i933.photobucket.com/albums/ad173/Cwichelm/LAF/IMG_0168_zpsecd43ed2.jpg)
from left to right, CRUSADER man at arms, CONQUEST Michael Praed as Robin Hood, BLACK TREE peasant, GRIPPING BEAST man at arms.
(http://i933.photobucket.com/albums/ad173/Cwichelm/LAF/IMG_0169_zps6483fec4.jpg)
GW Little John, CONQUEST Little John, CONQUEST Friar Tuck, BLUE MOON Friar Tuck
Hope these are helpful
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Shave John and the Conquest minis all look like kids!!!
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Oh dear, thats not good at all :'(
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this is not good for Conquest - not good for the hobby...surprised they never tested the water before settling on the molds...
Eric
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That is a shame. They look like 20mm scale!
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I like the kid idea though.
cheers
James
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Yep, Conquest and Conquest, Brigade and Brigade... ::)
I'm sure there are reasons behind it, but it is all a bit confusing o_o
Mind you, my own wargames figure venture is going to be called 'Warlord Foundry', so I shouldn't complain ;)
And I'm still mixing Warlord Games and Wargames Factory up.
Seeing the pics Tiny Conquest Games could solve the problem, sorry for beeing not polite.
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I genuinely think they could be used as children or dwarves. Did apprentice or novice monks have a tonsure?
The scaling is odd to say the least. They dont even seem to match old fashioned 'true' 25mms.
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Wow. Tiny and so incompatible. Shame. I like the Michael Praed figure. Or is it Jason Connery? ;)
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Wow. Tiny and so incompatible. Shame. I like the Michael Praed figure. Or is it Jason Connery? ;)
Could be either with that mullet, but I think it is based on a picture of Michael Praed .
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Looks like they will only be compatable with each other. Conquest will need to release a very comprehensive line to make any sales of these. Too bad, as they are quite nice in a slightly cartoonish way and I still like 'em.
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Seems like things have gone slightly awry here. :( :o
The Robin figure stands at 28mm tall (25.5 to the eyes), so not sure why they appear to be so far out when compared to other figures of the same 'person' by other manufacturers. I asked the sculptor to make them slimmer (i.e. not Heroic scale) to make for more realistic proportions (except for Tuck who I wanted really large), so that probably accounts for the difference in build, but height wise they should be 28mm scale (OK, maybe John could have been exaggerated a bit more, but at this scale he works out around 4-5" taller than the rest)...
Robin = 28mm
Will = 28mm
Tuck = 27mm
John = 29.5mm
Check them out against some of the 'slimmer' ranges of true 28mm Normans out there and see how they turn out.
Best regards,
Mike
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Fair enough that these heights are true 28mm, only most other manufacturers seem to be more like 32mm. Not sure what others would fit in...Perhaps Perry Miniatures?
As for little John, I still reckon he could be bigger. These chaps are clearly based on Robin of Sherwood, and Clive Mantle is a big bloke
(http://i933.photobucket.com/albums/ad173/Cwichelm/hoods3_zps8137ed9f.jpg)
I love the idea of these figures, but the rest of the range will sell better if graded in with larger figures. :)
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the thing is that I am not even sure these figures are compatible with conquest miniatures own figures. I have some of their plastic Normans, and they look like they would scale well with the Gripping Beasts range- ie 28mm to the eyes
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...shades of the hobbit?
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actually they may well scale better with the Games workshop Lord of the Rings range, as they tend to be a bit on the weeny side.
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Thanks for all the constructive comments everyone.
We have a long hard think on these figures overnight and will try to make them more in line with the scales you are used to. We wanted to produce a range that was unique, but it seems we gamers are averse to change ;) lol Unless of course you are willing to stick with us whilst we produce the entire range at the smaller scale? Your call everyone.
We can repurpose the figures (except Tuck, who will remain the same) as un-named Merrie Men (of which we were going to produce a goodly few anyway), and create some brand new poses for John, Robin and Scarlett, but at 28mm to the eyes (30-32mm overall)! We will exaggerate John's height a bit more, so he is about a head taller than everyone else. Would this work for you all? That way, any who have bought these already will still have a use for them when we produce the next few batches.
Please, continue pulling them apart (but constructively please) and we will act upon what you want to see. This is to be an extensive range to include the whole of the Robin Hood legend as well as historical characters from the time period of around 1190-1230 ish.
Rob Bresnen, in his latest post, has actually hit the nail on the head with the scaling size we were aiming for.
As an aside, although Clive Mantle is 6'5.5", Michael Praed is actually 6'1", so in actuality there is not that much of a difference in their heights when scaled down - the maths fit in with our scales. But obviously these minis are not meant to represent them in any way shape or form - no way ;)
Regards,
Mike
Conquest Games
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Kudos to you Mike 8)
I reckon a re-sculpt would benefit yourselves as well as the madding hoards as some people might only be looking for small purchases and not a whole range.
(I've got some of your plastic Normans and I really like them :) ).
cheers
James
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Great news, well done, I'll buy 'Em if you re do them. :)
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Yes, brilliant new there Mike, and hats off to you listening to the grumbling masses >:D. On a personal level I was thrilled to see the range appearing and then gutted that they didn't fit in with other figures I owned. If you are rejigging them I will be looking out for the full range as will my son (Robin, if you believe it). I also know of a few non wargamers who are Robin of Sherwood geeks who will be collecting them (30th anniversary conference next year and launch of the Robin of Sherwood Companion book). Well done again.
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I've been wanting to do a Robin Hood game so if they can be re-done to fit in with other manufacturer's 28's...so much the better. That said, since I am starting from scratch, I don't mind the diff in scale as long as there are plenty of figures in the range and I don't have to search outside the range for additional figures where the scale diffenence would become apparent. Just my 2 cents.
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I've been wanting to do a Robin Hood game so if they can be re-done to fit in with other manufacturer's 28's...so much the better. That said, since I am starting from scratch, I don't mind the diff in scale as long as there are plenty of figures in the range and I don't have to search outside the range for additional figures where the scale diffenence would become apparent. Just my 2 cents.
The problem is there isn't many figures to the range right now (Just those four so far as I know). If they are resculpted to fit in with the usual size i.e. their own Normans, Perrys, etc. I feel they'll sell much better over the short term (and just as well over the long term as well.)
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awww re-sculpts? I've just received these......
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awww re-sculpts? I've just received these......
Don't worry General Lee, they will be worth a fortune in a few years. I have tucked mine away and eagerly wait for the new larger sculpts.
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Well, there is that. Who knows? This hobby's so unpredictable I wouldn't be surprised to see a "25mm renaissance" at some point.
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Sorry for the threadomancy, but do these figures scale up well with Conquest Games' own Normans? I'm thinking of buying the Robin Hood characters plus a few Normans to fight them.
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Hi,
Any updates on the resizing of the figures?
Cheers
Jeff
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Excellent.
I have just picked up some conquest horsemen to start a SAGA warband. Now I can see some extended use for them.
If you make the figures base a little bit thicker that his companions- which I do by adding a slither of 0.5mm or 1mm thick plasticard- then the effect is surprisingly good for enhancing the overall effect of hight. It doesn't show when the base is flocked/decorated.
I think this is what Tom Cruise does.
I understand that in Tom's case it's a milk crate.
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Unless of course you are willing to stick with us whilst we produce the entire range at the smaller scale? Your call everyone.
Please, continue pulling them apart (but constructively please) and we will act upon what you want to see. This is to be an extensive range to include the whole of the Robin Hood legend as well as historical characters from the time period of around 1190-1230 ish.
I vote on keeping the range extant and continue to add to the Robin Hood Legend. Size will always be a topic of discussion no matter.
Cheers,
Helen
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Um, I was just wondering, any progress? I'm still interested in these miniatures.
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<snip>I would really appreciate it if they rescaled to fit in with other manufacturers. Even with the bases built up, they just look too slight. :'(
I think we all have manufacturers that we wish made their figures more like "X" figures. But that's not a very practical expectation (unless you are paying the bills for the creation of the figures...)
Just look at Peter Berry's approach (commentary) to the differences to other "6 mm" figures and his 6 mm figures...
https://www.baccus6mm.com/index.php?content=faq
From his site:
" Begin quote:
ARE MY FIGURES COMPATIBLE WITH X, Y & Z?
The emphasis on this question is wrong. To my way of thinking it should be rephrased as, 'Are x, y, and z's figures compatible with Baccus?' It is really difficult to be objective about this as I judge other people's ranges by my standards. The following picture shows samples from mine, Irregular's and Heroics ranges.
<picture on site>
The red line marks the 6mm height. Mine are measuring about 6.5mm from base to eye level, Irregular about 6mm and Heroics about 5mm.
So if we are all making 6mm figures, why aren't mine exactly the same as the others, so you can mix and match across the ranges?
Well, I started making my own figures because none of the ranges available to me gave me what I wanted:
Heroics have a vast range, and in many ways are the 'standard' for this scale. However, they are not 'true' 6mm figures. They were designed as 1/300th scale models, and so are smaller than the nominal 6mm in both height and bulk, measuring as little as 4.5mm foot to eye. I suppose the easiest comparison to make is between a nominal 25mm figure of today and the 'equivalent' 1/72nd plastic ranges. Their slightness of stature means that there is little or no detail on the castings. Remember when someone tells you that Baccus figures are 'huge' in comparison to Heroics, it is not my figures that are grossly oversize, it is that the objects of comparison are actually smaller than the perceived scale.
Now depending on your point of view their smooth form and poor detail makes these figures either a dream or an absolutely cow to paint. As I am firmly in the latter camp, I designed figures with lots of clean, raised detail - a fact appreciated by many.
So, I wanted figures that were larger than 5mm in size and had lots of detail - as a result, there was no chance of mine being like Heroics!
Irregular also have a vast range, and with more bulk and height are actually 6mm in scale. However, I did not like their fixed basing and I believed that I could produce castings that carried more and better defined detail. So, no chance of mine being like Irregular!
Adler figures are incredibly well designed, animated and detailed. However, they are considerably larger than 6mm, and many are put off by their large heads.
As I wanted figures that were nearer to 6mm proper with as accurate proportions as I could get, there was no chance of mine being like Adler!
In essence, Baccus figures are my interpretation of what a 6mm figure should be. To have purposely chosen to make my figures match other people's ranges would have meant that I would now be turning out what would effectively be copies of Heroics or Irregular or Adler miniatures - something I was not inclined to do.
Figure design is an Art, not a Science. Every artist sees things differently, as does every designer.
End Quote"
Each sculptor/manufacturer works to their "vision" (being a Federal employee I generally hate that word but I'll use it here) as they should.
At one time I felt that heroic 25 mm/28 mm/30 mm sizes (they aren't scales) seemed an abomination - why couldn't companies make them 25 mm?! I learned to deal with the size differences.
I am sure 18 mm upset some diehard 15 mm guys too. Hell my 1970's "15 mm" figures are swamped by "true" 15 mm figures, much less 18 mm figures, today.
The only real, adult options are: Don't buy them, accept the differences, or try and ameliorate the differences by base adjustments.
Gracias,
Glenn
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Some news from Mike@Conquest Games:
" We have a few new sculpts being worked on at the moment for the Wolfshead range - namely a few more monks and the rest of the main band of Merrie Men. They should be ready in the next couple of months."
"Then we should be ready for the three new Wolfsheads - Marian of the Greenwood, Much the Miller's Son and The Saracen. These should round off the main group of Merrie Men (more generic types to come though!), and then we will start on some of the baddies as well as a couple more nuns."