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Miniatures Adventure => Interwar => Topic started by: joekano on January 21, 2013, 09:14:25 AM
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Now that the planes are finished, I've gone back to continue work on the ground forces. There is still a lot to paint, but here is what I have so far.
Generic British troops that can be used for either the Edwardian or Georgian sides (or WWII)
<img src="https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-E2Kd1G4mpF0/UPzl91riLXI/AAAAAAAAAOQ/ZVyJqtXS8lU/s640/IMG_3256.jpg" height="480" width="640" /> (https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/c7wDLdJBF6zYiHbhxBTiXdMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=embedwebsite)
Armoured support (Lanchester Mk II)
<img src="https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Yyfb_lYug1E/UPzl4jg0SzI/AAAAAAAAALQ/bhHQedV7wpg/s640/IMG_3252.jpg" height="480" width="640" /> (https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/mCcrGZl_Y1wrkTXZp3Z8P9MTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=embedwebsite)
The local constabulary
<img src="https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-5Xd93VwT33Q/UPzleeuibiI/AAAAAAAAAK4/ebJjpqxDB4s/s640/IMG_3248.jpg" height="480" width="640" /> (https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/V_dpcqsgIYh3kxFVxUbOGdMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=embedwebsite)
British Union assault group (German equiped)
<img src="https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-h5H8m6zhJyQ/UPzmDPaETUI/AAAAAAAAALg/E1K_DECGPwY/s640/IMG_3258.jpg" height="480" width="640" /> (https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/CK5nADBj8EGdkGYsNN4yz9MTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=embedwebsite)
Blog entry:
http://majorthomasfoolery.blogspot.com/2013/01/my-initial-ground-forces-for-vbcw.html
Thanks for looking!
Chris
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Wonderful! :-*
Who makes the armoured car? (need to have couple of those at some point for my Edwardians).
And is there a thread about the buildings seen on the background on LAF?
edit: checked your blog, found out the maker of the armoured car.
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Oh wow! The Buildings, and the Troops look great! Can you post a link to the buildings Thread?
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Nice work.
Just one point, Police officers in the 30s did not have the chequered cap band that they do today, it should be blue. Officers on duty had a black and white striped band on the right arm.
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Just one point, Police officers in the 30s did not have the chequered cap band that they do today, it should be blue. Officers on duty had a black and white striped band on the right arm.
The City of Glasgow Police wore it on all caps from 1933, eventually spreading to all Scottish forces sometime after. It's named 'Sillitoe Tartan' after Glasgow's then Chief Constable. It should be black, not blue (unless in Australia and New Zealand, or red in the City of London). It didn't spread to England and Wales until the 70's though.
You're right with the arm band though...
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What a cracking start to a collection though. The Lanchester is probably my favourite armoured car too. :)
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Outstanding stuff, 8) which makers for the figs, the armoured car and the buildings?
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The figures look like Artizan.
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Very good start sir, Welcome to the madness. :D
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Very nice great work. It's a start of a very addictive period.
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Very Nice
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Cracking stuff sir! Have you signed up for the VBCF?
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Very spiffing stuff. Especially the police- love the silver buttons- very neat.
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Lovely stuff! :-*
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Hi Everyone,
Thanks for the feedback. The figures are indeed Artizan and the armoured car is from Copplestone. The building are PDF railroad kits from Scalescenes.com that have been scaled up. They also make roads and individual texture sheets. I started a new topic here on the Interwar board (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=49887.0) to make it easier for people to find, but the details can be found on a new blog entry:
http://majorthomasfoolery.blogspot.com/2013/01/my-british-buildings.html
Just one point, Police officers in the 30s did not have the chequered cap band that they do today, it should be blue. Officers on duty had a black and white striped band on the right arm.
The City of Glasgow Police wore it on all caps from 1933, eventually spreading to all Scottish forces sometime after.
Joroas and Arlequin, thanks for the info on the police unforms. I'm planning to set my battles in the Scottish Borders, which is why I added the tartan. I wasn't sure how quickly it spread south, so do you think I'm ok for this time period? I also wasn't sure what the arm band war for (in the period photos I've seen it didn't always appear), so I'm glad to finally know. Would it have only been worn by the officers in charge, or all constables on duty?
Thanks!
Chris
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Re the infantry, no sten gun. It wasn't invented until WW2. Also no shoulder patches. And I am not sure if the bren gun had been issued at that point either.
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And I am not sure if the bren gun had been issued at that point either.
They started to issue the Bren gun in 1935
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While it is true about the sten gun, and I don't use them myself for my VBCW force, I don't think most people who play VBCW worry too much about that detail. Lots of sten guns grace many a VBCW army- its a mater of taste.
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Yeah, I would have preferred Thompsons, but all the packs I found locally had the Stens. They also show up in some of the other pulp/WWII packs I’ll be using, like the resistance fighters that will join my local militias. If this was a historical force I’d be a bit pickier, but since VBCW is a fictional timeline I’m willing to go with it and just allow weapons development to be a bit quicker in this world. It saves on headaches when searching for figures.
Chris
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Many thanks for the entry about the buildings, they look stunning. Great work and I think they have scaled up rather nicely.
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Joroas and Arlequin, thanks for the info on the police unforms. I'm planning to set my battles in the Scottish Borders, which is why I added the tartan. I wasn't sure how quickly it spread south, so do you think I'm ok for this time period? I also wasn't sure what the arm band war for (in the period photos I've seen it didn't always appear), so I'm glad to finally know. Would it have only been worn by the officers in charge, or all constables on duty?
I'm pretty sure you wouldn't have seen a chequered band on caps South of the Border before the 1970's. I'm also uncertain about how quickly it spread within Scotland itself, although it was noted as being 'peculiarly Scottish' before its general introduction.
You can always have a contingent of the GCP as a distinct unit though. At this time only 'officers' (inspectors and above) and troops on 'mounted duty' (including car drivers) would wear caps though, everyone else (including passengers in vehicles), wore helmets.
The arm band goes back to the days when police officers were allowed to wear their uniforms off-duty and only those 'on-duty' would wear the band. It eventually became an affectation, like the whistle and chain did after the introduction of personal radios. Bands I've seen are a very dark blue, as opposed to the 'almost-black' blue of the uniform. This might be 'fading' due to time or cheap dye, but does give a slight difference in colour to exploit when painting.
All police buttons, badges etc., were silver for the vast majority of forces. There were special 'night' versions of these, which were a dull matt black, and officers were routinely issued duplicate items with these for night duty (or at least the buttons and badges, which were detachable anyway).
While it is true about the sten gun, and I don't use them myself for my VBCW force, I don't think most people who play VBCW worry too much about that detail. Lots of sten guns grace many a VBCW army- its a mater of taste.
I find it odd that people can be so pedantic over such little things. They will fight a war that never happened, but argue over something being used before a specific date in spite of that.
Battledress, Boys AT Rifles and Stens are all actually outside of VBCW if you're being strict about it, but the former two were issued from 1938 (there were shortages well into 1940 for both though). Even the M1 Thompson is wrong for 1938... the fore-grip and drum-mag M1928 is the 'correct' (and only) one, as the M1 was designed in 1942, in response to British feedback from 1940 onwards.
The Sten, while not exactly being knocked up in a garden shed, as the myth states, was a simple design created in an emergency... a situation which could be replicated a couple of years earlier by the same guy, or someone with a similar background... it isn't a V2 rocket after all.
I doubt it would be a 9mm weapon (.38 is more likely maybe), but essentially it would be the same... or somewhere towards the more luxurious 'Lanchester', which was a direct copy of the MP28.
I always thought VBCW was about the 'feel' of the 1930s... ;)
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There are times when I feel bad about being picky, but often this leads to a lot of very interesting discussion, as here. :o
I agree about the weapons, it is difficult, even in WWII to be that picky. Early war troops dressed and carried wildly different kit to later war ones. Everyone who has Foundry's Dads' Army figures uses them throughout the war, but they would not have been armed or uniformed like this if Operation Sealion had occured in 1940! Few ACW gamers have 1861 armies, for example.
If it looks right, unless you have a specific action in mind, then it will serve its purpose.
You have made a cracking start on this by the way. :D
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In the VBCW universe there has been mention of a 'Brum Gun' - an SMG (and Sten lookalike) that's been knocked up in the arms factories of the Midlands.
You could always say that the Bren is a Czech ZB vz. 26 :)
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I find it odd that people can be so pedantic over such little things...
...I always thought VBCW was about the 'feel' of the 1930s... ;)
I think you just answered your own question there. Fill it with things from the 1940s and it won't have the feel of the 1930s any more. ;)
As a side note, has anybody made any Mitford sisters figures yet? They would seem to me to be such obvious players in this (you could have one of them on your side whichever side you are on, pretty much), and their absence is more jarring than any number of Sten Guns. Perhaps it has been done and I just haven't noticed it. I don't follow the dedicated forums, I only see what happens here.
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Partizan show gave a free model of Wallis Simpson out that might be usable......
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Everyone who has Foundry's Dads' Army figures uses them throughout the war, but they would not have been armed or uniformed like this if Operation Sealion had occured in 1940!
Indeed, even the Musketeer VBCW 'militia' figures are well-equipped in comparison to the Home Guard/LDV of 1940. British 'tank units' had 40 Vickers Mediums to share between them, besides various marks of light tanks and whatever cruisers and Matildas rolled off the production lines that year. Many of them had to make do with various light machine guns mounted on light trucks.
There are better equipped VBCW forces out there than existed in Britain after Dunkirk. lol
In the VBCW universe there has been mention of a 'Brum Gun' - an SMG (and Sten lookalike) that's been knocked up in the arms factories of the Midlands.
Yes... sorry, that was me, along with 'Brummagem bullets', which were purposely short on propellant to maximise profits (receipts required for any refunds).
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I think you just answered your own question there. Fill it with things from the 1940s and it won't have the feel of the 1930s any more. ;)
That's been a constant problem throughout its life... someone will always come along and want to incorporate something (usually a German expeditionary force, panzers, or something like that) which doesn't 'fit' (in the opinion of some) and when you're dealing with a fiction you can't really draw the line, while preserving the 'free and easy' aspect which is apparently the appeal.
If I was 'doing VBCW' I'd want to cut things off at about 1936, as regards equipment and everything, but then you would really struggle to find suitable figures and models. Drawing a sort of line at late 1940 is far more sensible and appears to suit most people.
As a side note, has anybody made any Mitford sisters figures yet? They would seem to me to be such obvious players in this (you could have one of them on your side whichever side you are on, pretty much), and their absence is more jarring than any number of Sten Guns. Perhaps it has been done and I just haven't noticed it. I don't follow the dedicated forums, I only see what happens here.
It's been a case of 'names have been changed to protect the dodgy', as the real-world descendants of folk around back then are inclined to take action against anyone besmirching their mostly-fascist forebears. Hence the crap names used in most of the books.
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The main thing that I have put into my VBCW is does it look right / OK. Its all down to personnal taste. The rules (Which ever you choose), even more so the event cards are the real key to VBCW and making it the fun it is. There is alot of personnel freedom in VBCW which again is the main attraction. I would recommend the VBCW forum for those that want to explore, Just remember the mantra "Its your VBCW, enjoy it" :D I do!
http://vbcf.freeforums.org/index.php?sid=9a84f0c534997e501219aff89151c5b4
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Odd, I didn't think you could libel the dead in the UK. And to be libel a deflamatory statement has to be false. Calling Diana and Unity Mitford fascists would therefore not be libel even if they were alive. :)
Oh well. Shame really. Diana and Unity posing in blackshirt garb, and Jessica raising the red flag at the barricades would make great figures. I suppose you could have Nancy as a war correspondent too.
Another problem with this being set in 30s: You can't have a little baby Max, clutching his signed portrait of Hitler. He's strictly 40s, like the Sten Guns, Tillys and Lanchesters. :)
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Odd, I didn't think you could libel the dead in the UK. And to be libel a deflamatory statement has to be false. Calling Diana and Unity Mitford fascists would therefore not be libel even if they were alive. :)
Calling them fascists/communists, whatever isn't a problem, it's having them do things which they obviously didn't do in real life. While there might be little chance of huge damages and such like, having to employ a solicitor or whatever, just to have a case thrown out, would make it costly in itself. Far easier to just invent people.
Another problem with this being set in 30s: You can't have a little baby Max, clutching his signed portrait of Hitler. He's strictly 40s, like the Sten Guns, Tillys and Lanchesters. :)
When you change history, even small changes, you potentially alter everything (or conceivably not). Obviously you can't envisage them with any great accuracy and even real events often hinged on a choice, which itself could have gone either way. Expediency was the driver of the Sten, Tilly and Lanchester... Max is a different matter of course.
A Sten-like weapon, a Tilly or a Lanchester (or even Max), are all quite achievable/believable a mere couple of years earlier if there was a need (or the money) for them, although I doubt that the Lanchester would have been developed at all if its original 'model' could have been imported. Motorised army transport was an ongoing need and was mostly based on existing civilian models, so no big leap there.
Other weapons/items are different. If Germany was seen as a 'friendly' power by a sympathetic government, there would be no push to re-arm, so designs could be cancelled or put back. The Matilda II, the various Cruisers, the Spitfire and other items, may very well have fallen by the wayside before the Civil War even broke out. Alternatively France might have been conceived as the 'new' threat.
There may have been a few voices then, as now, pushing for more equipment designed for 'counter-insurgency' and mobility, as opposed to that for a conventional war. The mechanisation of the cavalry might have been halted and the re-organisation of the army suspended and the same focus placed on the need for a 'policing' role within the UK, as had been the case in the Empire after the Great War.
But anyway... people use VBCW to suit their need for something they can't find elsewhere, whether it's the Spanish Civil War, the early part of WW2, Sealion, or whatever. Some go 'in deep', others field what they like, but the important thing is that folk are painting and playing it and largely without others telling them what they can and can't do. I like that!
:)
Edited: So it doesn't read like I was being critical of Plynkes's quote. :)
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People use VBCW to suit their need for something they can't find elsewhere, whether it's the Spanish Civil War, the early part of WW2, Sealion, or whatever. Some go 'in deep', others field what they like, but the important thing is that folk are painting and playing it and largely without others telling them what they can and can't do. I like that!
Right.
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People use VBCW to suit their need for something they can't find elsewhere, whether it's the Spanish Civil War, the early part of WW2, Sealion, or whatever. Some go 'in deep', others field what they like, but the important thing is that folk are painting and playing it and largely without others telling them what they can and can't do. I like that!
Right.
Absolutely, there is no doubt that this has really touched a few creative butons...................
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I appreciate the feedback everyone; I’ve enjoyed the discussion and it has been very educational. Arlequín, thanks in particular for the additional details on the police – I’ll get those armbands added. While I generally like to keep things fairly historic (or at least plausible) myself, what drew me into starting VBCW is some of the quirkiness I’d seen online (a bee weapon in particular sticks out in my mind), and I thought it would be a bit of a lark. Whenever I buy figures I try to shop locally first, and here I’ve mostly only been able to find pulp and WWII items, which is why my armies are skewing a bit later on the timeline. I have to admit it did bother me a bit at first (I internally debated a bit about the Stens when I made my purchases), but I just reminded myself it’s all fake anyway and I should just have fun. Besides, I don’t think anyone else is playing locally (I’ll be playing solo unless I can drum up interest at the shop), so I’ll be master of the domain anyway.
Chris
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...it’s all fake anyway and I should just have fun.
That's the way I see it too.
Btw should you need any free banners, flags and the like there's a fair few on my blog;
http://6milphil.wordpress.com/2010/12/01/banner-in-the-works/ (http://6milphil.wordpress.com/2010/12/01/banner-in-the-works/)
http://6milphil.wordpress.com/2010/02/17/buf-flags/ (http://6milphil.wordpress.com/2010/02/17/buf-flags/)
http://6milphil.wordpress.com/2010/12/25/vbcw-flags-of-convenience/ (http://6milphil.wordpress.com/2010/12/25/vbcw-flags-of-convenience/)
http://6milphil.wordpress.com/2010/11/21/bill-posters-is-innocent/ (http://6milphil.wordpress.com/2010/11/21/bill-posters-is-innocent/)
http://6milphil.wordpress.com/2011/10/31/chance-is-a-fine-thing/ (http://6milphil.wordpress.com/2011/10/31/chance-is-a-fine-thing/)
http://6milphil.wordpress.com/2011/09/19/newsagent-provocateure/ (http://6milphil.wordpress.com/2011/09/19/newsagent-provocateure/)
Fill yer boots! :)
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Thanks for the banner and flag links 6milPhil - those will come in useful! Took a look at your blog too. I love the driller killer! :-*
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Some Call of Cthulhu type figures might add more variety to your civilians - you might find suitable Mitford sisters there.
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Excellent minis and scenery!
I've been meaning to up-scale some "scalescenes" which I bought ages ago. I may have to re-visit them.............
PM
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Here's the next item for my armies, a Vickers Medium Mk. II tank from Copplestone:
<img src="https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-nHwPgqZQrw8/UQ3_5a0oUaI/AAAAAAAAASM/R42huLWDYU8/s640/IMG_0332.jpg" height="480" width="640" /> (https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/3lLJdoEphAQuERWqDG65CtMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=embedwebsite)
For more pics and a review of the kit, there is a blog entry here:
http://majorthomasfoolery.blogspot.com/2013/02/vickers-medium-mk-ii-tank.html
Thanks!
Chris
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Looking good mate.
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Very nice tank.
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Very unsporting to bring a medium tank, what! does look nice though.
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Very unsporting to bring a medium tank, what! does look nice though.
Indeed. Unless of course it breaks down regularly, runs out of fuel, and has limited ammunition - as well as a poor crew who don't really know how everything works. :D
On the other issues:
Bren can be a Czech ZB vz. 26
Sten can be a Lanchester SMG
Uniforms, while going for historical details is entirely appropriate and fun, so is making it up in the spirit of the 1930's of the Ealing Studio period
You want your police to have checkered hat bands, go for it!
My Chopwell Communists are a mix of civilian, ununiformed militia, chaps in the 'tan and grey' of the AVBCW hard-left, and chaps who've deserted and brought their British regular uniforms. Lord Lambton has a bunch of WWI French army surplus uniforms but pained the helmets yellow to match his livery.
Anything goes i say, as long as its in the spirit of the age...
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Some additional British Union supporters have crawled out from under their rock:
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-P5QcVkwxK0Q/USCeRSSMqAI/AAAAAAAAAU0/6gUcrsShE4w/s640/IMG_0349.jpg)
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I love this thread.
Full of little gems!
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Cracking thread! Your last pic amuses me greatly,I use the figure second from the left as my leader of my Albertine army,the others as well; would be an hoot to have them meet in battle lol
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Glad to hear people are enjoying the photos. I was worried people may get bored with my projects in light of some of the other amazing work posted on LAF.
would be an hoot to have them meet in battle
I agree that would be entertaining. With the limited number of pulp type figures, it makes me wonder how often the troops will run into clones on the other side of the line. lol
Chris
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Finally have a new update, with some Scottish Nationalist troops:
The Marquess of Lothian's Regiment
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-n-Tx3PFMPKk/UVu6tN6wv5I/AAAAAAAAAZg/FGAObHOc5AA/s713/IMG_0372.jpg)
More photos and details on the blog:
http://majorthomasfoolery.blogspot.com/2013/04/scottish-nationalists-marquess-of.html (http://majorthomasfoolery.blogspot.com/2013/04/scottish-nationalists-marquess-of.html)
Thanks!
Chris
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Brilliant tartan. I wish I was as brave as you, but I don't have the stomach for it.
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wow these are superb mate
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They look stellar! :-*
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More awesome stuff!!! :-*
Love the BUF characters ( second from left my favourite) and those Scottish Nationalists are brilliant. I agree about the tartan, difficult to get to look right but have have done it beautifully!!!!
PM
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Thanks Everyone!
Brilliant tartan. I wish I was as brave as you, but I don't have the stomach for it.
I have to admit, when I first started working on the figures I asked myself, “How they hell are you going to do this?” and considered just going with a khaki kilt. However, I wanted this to be the stand out unit on the table and decided I just had to go for it.
My first attempts were not a success – I tried using the actual colors and it just looked a mess, especially the black. The green also looked too dull and faded into the background.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/Kerr_tartan_%28Vestiarium_Scoticum%29.png)
What I ended up doing was standing well back from the swatch on my monitor and seeing what impression I got of the pattern rather than the reality of the details. As such, I decided to paint the kilt dark red, make a grid of dark green lines, add dots of bright green to the intersections, then add four bright red dots in each resulting square. The resulting pattern and colors are not completely accurate, but I think it gave the appropriate feel at this scale. And I have to admit, it wasn’t that bad to paint once I started getting a feel for it.
For the detailing on the bonnets, that was pure insanity and I’m not sure if I’d want to try it again. Nothing short of a new brush with a near perfect point will get you through it.
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Your collection are really coming on. It'd be great if you could put on a demo game at a local convention as I imagine the period and your work combined would turn a lot of heads.
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best tartan I've seen in a long time!
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Wonderful painting, love the tartan!
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Some simply stunning additions and a wonderful tartan that I will be shamelessly stealing at the first opportunity!
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Excellent!
As far as using the Scottish Borders as a location, it has bits of everything. A few of us have gamed pretty much the whole length of the Border on both sides. Hastings, one of the triumvirate who invented VBCW, is based in Carlisle, so we have had a number of games set in that neck of the woods, also on the Dumfries side, and there was a big game set in Berwick too.
Your Highland regiment is fantastic. The Scottish Border regiments didn't wear kilts, but a lot of people use Musketeer Black and Tans or various makes of Lowland Scots for them, and also for the Tyneside Scottish.
Another good thing about the Borders is that the roads are terrible, but it's always been countryside with a strong tradition of raiding cavalry. Horses can get over those Border hills where trucks, and especially tanks, can't.
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The Scottish Border regiments didn't wear kilts, but a lot of people use Musketeer Black and Tans or various makes of Lowland Scots for them, and also for the Tyneside Scottish.
Another good thing about the Borders is that the roads are terrible, but it's always been countryside with a strong tradition of raiding cavalry. Horses can get over those Border hills where trucks, and especially tanks, can't.
Yes, I debated on the kilts, as they are not traditional to the Kerrs, being a Border Reivers clan. However, I wanted them to stand out from my English troops, so I took artistic license and decided the front line troops would be recruited from throughout Scotland, and would wear kilts as a sign of national pride. The local auxiliaries from Kelso area (with the exception of the assigned officers) are kilt free.
It’s funny you mentioned cavalry, as I just bought some figures from GWM to represent the Lothians and Border horse. They has switched to armored cars in the 1920’s, but I’m having them go back to horses to better handle the terrain.
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I have used Renegade lancers, also some Reiver cavalry figures. They are smaller, which works as the smaller Border ponies.
The Scottish regiments wore Glengarries as well. Great War Miniatures do some, and so do Foundry.
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Good god man! More praise for those tartans here!
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Really nice tartan. Mixing the figures works as the slight difference of size can be explained with the difference in people size.
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Where did you get the minis for the German-supplied BUF unit?
Also, is there an American Expeditionary Force in VBCW? I've seen it in some sources.
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Where did you get the minis for the German-supplied BUF unit?
These are from Nacht Jager Artizan's Thrilling Tales line:
http://www.artizandesigns.com/list.php?man=12&cat=132&page=1
Not sure about the Americans, but it's a ficitional war, so I think you could do as you like. Also, I think some folks have started a similar second civil war theme set in the US.
Chris
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Yes we are!
https://www.facebook.com/pages/1933-A-Nation-Divided/333543480090255
We are slowly gearing up to try and start producing a 1930s American civil-war. Lots of info on the back ground we have created so far. Give it a gander.
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Yes we are!
https://www.facebook.com/pages/1933-A-Nation-Divided/333543480090255
We are slowly gearing up to try and start producing a 1930s American civil-war. Lots of info on the back ground we have created so far. Give it a gander.
It is obviously catching, this Civil War lark.
I saw a lovely display game at Cavalier in February with a Very French Civil War theme.
Actually, it was bloody brilliant!
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Yes we are!
https://www.facebook.com/pages/1933-A-Nation-Divided/333543480090255
We are slowly gearing up to try and start producing a 1930s American civil-war. Lots of info on the back ground we have created so far. Give it a gander.
Ah, so you made that page, eh Commissarmoody? I was the guy that enquired about the states being covered.
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I wish! No the driving force behind getting an actually book out is Mr. Bagosy. Who if I am not mistaken runs Black army productions.
The first book will focus on the back ground and build up to war. And the first Emergency governments campaign to take control of the OHIO river valley.
I am slowly threw my own research looking up stuff for the west coast, and south western united states. My Main Nationalist group will be composed of the Silver shirts, "Silver Legion" a nationalist christian right/ nativeist group that was active at that time.
then some genaric inter-war Army and police to be used by all sides.
For opposition to Linden-burg and his crones, I will make Anarchist, Communist and workers unions from the independent works republic of the cascades, Or the Seattle soviet. Haven't decided on the name yet.
The Navoo Legion from Utah.
And a smattering of interventionist forces, including an invasion from Mexico into the southwest.
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Starting the Local Defense Voluneteers:
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