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Miniatures Adventure => Future Wars => Topic started by: rob_alderman on February 02, 2013, 08:55:03 AM
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Hi guys, I'm helping out with a new version of WARZONE, the popular miniatures game from 'Target Games', based on the Mutant Chronicles series.
I know there are some die-hard Warzone fans here, so you'll be frothing over this!!!
The new company is called 'Prodos Games'. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAzZcnwXlVY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAzZcnwXlVY)
Check out the link above, it's not much at the moment, but more will be unveiled soon!
Cheers
Rob
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At least some good news ! I really like(d) playing Warzone ^^
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There's some sneak peeks of models on our Facebook Group. Feel free to join!
http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/groups/121888887983248/125839414254862/?notif_t=group_activity (http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/groups/121888887983248/125839414254862/?notif_t=group_activity)
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If they do some nice Imperials,I'll buy loads ;D
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Hi Scurv, I'll have to ask first! But hopefully yes. :)
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How's that? :D
More pics on the Facebook, that I am not allowed to post elsewhere.
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Oh YEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSS!!! Warzone will be back!
My first love in miniature gaming. *sheds a tear* thank you! Thank you! THANK YOU!
I will follow this daily and back it if it's a kickstarter.
*goes back to his algeroth idol for daily worship*
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I think it's going on Kickstarter, not too sure just yet.
It's a very friendly, local company that have taken it on. They are using the best talents from their group of friends to help out to make it a success.
If it's recieved well, it can only grow from there, so any support is really appreciated. :)
P.s. I believe the 15th will be when the next Teaser Video is released, not the actual game!!!! haha!
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Exciting news, Warzone was my first miniatures game and I still have some figures for it. Good to see you are keeping the style close to the original game and not make a 180 like the FFG version ;)
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There's some sneak peeks of models on our Facebook Group. Feel free to join!
http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/groups/121888887983248/125839414254862/?notif_t=group_activity (http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/groups/121888887983248/125839414254862/?notif_t=group_activity)
Unable to view unless a Facebook member. Isn't there some setting to open your site to the public?
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I've joined the group :)
Will there be bigger miniatures planned? (battlesuits, large demons etc).
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ooooh! Very keen.
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I'll be watching this closely. I've got 8 big armies and my original game group and I still get together now and then to play.
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Unable to view unless a Facebook member. Isn't there some setting to open your site to the public?
I really cannot understand companies that are ONLY spreading news via facebook!
I do not like having an account, so I can't get the info? Do they want to sell something or not?
:? :?
Sorry being a bit upset, but I loved Warzone and would like to see a resurrection of the game with minis that are close to the fantastic artwork but are also up to todays standard.
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I really cannot understand companies that are ONLY spreading news via facebook!
I do not like having an account, so I can't get the info? Do they want to sell something or not?
:? :?
Absolutely. Would a webpage cost too much? Very off putting.
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They already have a website, but are using it properly...
http://warzonegame.com/warzone-resurrection/ (http://warzonegame.com/warzone-resurrection/)
:o ::)
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Hi Agis,
http://www.facebook.com/WarzoneResurrection (http://www.facebook.com/WarzoneResurrection)
This is the correct Facebook page. I have expressed the importance of having easy access. It is still very much in development, but development for this project is quite fast. The designs are much closer to the old artwork and there are some incredibly skilled craftsmen working on it.
I'm glad you found the website, I was going to post it, but there's not much to see there just yet.
Keep your eyes peeled, I'll get on them to update the website!!!
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This message was meant for Frothers, but it's not letting me guest post. I've just made an account now, but have to wait for it to get activated.
Hi guys, sorry for the lack of info at this stage, I wasn't quite sure how much information I was allowed to give!
Right:
Q. Are the old miniatures making a comeback?
A. No, these are completely new miniatures, with a great effort to bring them in line with modern designs, whilst still keeping in tune with the original artwork which WILL be used again as it hasn't aged like the miniatures.
Q. Who is behind Prodos Games?
A. Some folks from the UK who were big fans of the original game that felt disappointed when the game died. We've worked really hard to get this liscense and it's important we do it justice. We also understand the disappointment that failure could bring customers and every effort is being made to ensure the success of this project, with a modern market being kept in mind at all times.
Jarek Ever and Mark Rapson are the driving force, with a supporting base of friends, including professional Miniature Designers, Rules developers, Graphic Designers and writers. We're a creative group of mates!
Q. What scale will the miniatures be?
A. Heroic 28mm. Modern standard (i.e. GW, Warmachine, Malifaux, Dark Age, Etc)
Q. Can I still use my old miniatures in the new game?
A. Yes indeed, but given the new designs, you won't want to!
Q. What material are the models made of?
A. High Quality Plastic and eventually Resin too, but they are going to be priced accordingly. This is going to make the game very accessible, but still have a 'hobby' aspect rather than pre-painted, collectable (as has recently been attempted with the Mutant Chronicles Liscense).
Q. How will the miniatures be produced?
A. An odd one, but important. These are 3D printed... I know, I know, WHAAAAAT?! But 3D printing looks F*** ugly and the texture is horrible! Well, last year a new printer was developed that creates beatiful, smooth textures in high quality plastic, replicating the 3D sculpt perfectly. Not only are they incredibly cost effective, but the material is still high quality, check out the pictures on the facebook page (you don't have to be a member to view AFAIK).
I hope that helps you out, please keep asking questions and those of you that do have Facebook, please follow this link: http://www.facebook.com/WarzoneResurrection#!/WarzoneResurrection?fref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/WarzoneResurrection#!/WarzoneResurrection?fref=ts)
A website is in production, but there's nothing there at the moment. Keep an eye out, but I will make sure to keep you updated.
http://warzonegame.com/warzone-resurrection/ (http://warzonegame.com/warzone-resurrection/)
Cheers for your patience, I had a day at work in between posting this morning and now!!! :)
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Oh and someone has posted how Prodos has not got any ties with the community on the Excelsior Entertainment Forum, registration has been denied! Could someone post this info there on the behalf of Prodos for the time being?
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I have copy-pasted your informative post above in Frothers, because I see the old forum is playing tricks again. :?
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Not a problem matey. The website will be up and running as part of the trailer coming on the 15th. :)
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Rob,you mention the 3d printing thing; if any of you are aware Andrew Rae is using this system now,and as far as I'm concerned Andrew's sculpts are still fantastic and importantly still look like Andrew's figures,so I have high hopes for the new Warzone figures.
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Glad to hear that, I am expecting a little flak here and there for the choice, but it is just so viable for a project like this. It might be worth pointing out, the 3D printing is to create a Master which will then be moulded for casting in plastic (and perhaps later resin, for some kits, we'll see).
Anyway, today's update (03/02/13) comes in this form!
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Nice!
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Ohhh... Very cool, indeed. If the figs are anything like the concepts, I'll be all over this. Thanks for the heads-up.
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I never really got into the old Warzone stuff...but I'd definitely like to see the minis when they're released. Generic baddies/goodies and post-apocalyptic stuff is always useful.
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Rob:
Do the Warzone: Resurrection rules feature a whole new system of mechanics? Or are they based on the earlier sets of rules?
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"Q. Are the old miniatures making a comeback?
A. No, these are completely new miniatures, with a great effort to bring them in line with modern designs, whilst still keeping in tune with the original artwork which WILL be used again as it hasn't aged like the miniatures. "
Solid. Paul Bonner's art was the main reason that I got into this game and I'd love to see some faithful adaptations of it in miniature.
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As I said on Frothers if the Feb 15th splash is a kickstarter based on a few digital renders I will be horribly disappointed. I love Warzone to death but honestly after the game has killed over so many times it's going to have to be solid, quality product on the table to get my purse strings opened. Honestly I'm sick to death of kickstarters and hope they'll go the route of making tangible product and then promoting it rather than promoting some computer pictures and asking people to take a risk that the 3D printing thing isn't going to turn out play-doh soft detail on figures.
If the 15th is WOO-HOO Warzone kickstarter!!!!!111!!!one! I'll be one sad panda.
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Rob:
Do the Warzone: Resurrection rules feature a whole new system of mechanics? Or are they based on the earlier sets of rules?
Hi Matt (?), I'm afraid I can't say at this stage! :)
Ohhh... Very cool, indeed. If the figs are anything like the concepts, I'll be all over this. Thanks for the heads-up.
The concepts we've shown ARE the figs! :)
As I said on Frothers if the Feb 15th splash is a kickstarter based on a few digital renders I will be horribly disappointed. I love Warzone to death but honestly after the game has killed over so many times it's going to have to be solid, quality product on the table to get my purse strings opened. Honestly I'm sick to death of kickstarters and hope they'll go the route of making tangible product and then promoting it rather than promoting some computer pictures and asking people to take a risk that the 3D printing thing isn't going to turn out play-doh soft detail on figures.
If the 15th is WOO-HOO Warzone kickstarter!!!!!111!!!one! I'll be one sad panda.
This is an opinion shared with the production team. It's really important to produce this in the best possible light. It has to be fine-tuned and carefully developed consistently throughout. It's a challenge, but the people involved have enough confidence to make it happen.
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First 3D print in resin. :)
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Spot on, I really like what I have seen since yesterday, true to Bonners art which is indeed the cornerstone of the Warzone fame!!!
8)
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You've put my painting of Illan Templars on hold. Very interested, as Warzone is the only 'heroic scale' Sci-Fi figure game i play (there are enough people out there who _love_ this system).
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"Q. Are the old miniatures making a comeback?
A. No, these are completely new miniatures, with a great effort to bring them in line with modern designs, whilst still keeping in tune with the original artwork which WILL be used again as it hasn't aged like the miniatures. "
Solid. Paul Bonner's art was the main reason that I got into this game and I'd love to see some faithful adaptations of it in miniature.
Yes indeed. Bonner codified the looks of the WZ universe. He painted boots in a weird way and his male characters always seemed to have a 5 o' clock shadow on their faces, but otherwise his style was boss. I hope this time the miniatures will actually have the detail that is shown on the paintings, this was one issue with the old Heartbreaker figures that was were off-putting to me.
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Hi Matt (?), I'm afraid I can't say at this stage! :)
??? Why so? I really think that the time for closed shop GW style activities are NOT helping any company!
:? ;) ;)
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Hi Agis
I'm Mark one of the people behind Prodos Games Ltd. We are very excited to have the licence for Mutant Chronicles Warzone Resurrection. I must say a big thank you to Rob Alderman for his help on our launching of Warzone Resurrection. Over the last 48 hours we have been doing a lot of work to let everyone we can know about this exciting project. Rob has been very kind in helping out while I have been waiting for clearance to be allowed to post here. Rob is also very very established here and as such when he offered, we were very pleased to have him let you guys know.
So whats the plan? Well at the moment we are in the middle of the pre-release marketing campaign, for which obviously we are releaseing information to a schedule, for a number of reasons, partly because we don't want to dump everything on everyone, but also because as we have been working on this project up to now our excitement has gradually increased as things come in, we hoped to give those interested the same experience. Obviously one can't please all of the people all of the time, but we're doing our best to try. Regarding Facebook, we are using this as one of the many avenues for letting people know whats happening, including obviously here and other forums and shortly our own website.
Regarding rules: We have developed a new system based on the old, our aim is to be novel, innovative and really excite the tabletop gamer with our models and game.
Let us know if you have any more questions or frustrations, but sufice to say we are very excited and will have more information to share over the next few days.
Mark
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Hi Prodos,
welcome to the LAF! And thanks for the infos. I will be follow this endeavor with great interest!
:)
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"following with great interest..." Same here. This is the best hobby news I've heard in a long time.
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Thanks Agis. Im very glad to be here!
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W00t!!! Just w00t!!! :-*
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Cybertronics...
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...aaaand Zombies!!! :D
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I'll see to it you can register on the Excelsior boards. We've not had them open to new members because of an onslaught of spammers, but I'll see what I can do.
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Will we see the 80 plastic soldiers in a bag again?
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Following this with interest, if the final models are as good as the renders I could see myself being all over this, I loved the background and art for the original game, but loathed the figures, with one or two exceptions.
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Hi!
It's great to see that Warzone is making a comeback! It is my favourite system and Paul Bonners artwork really set the tone so its good to see that it's been used as the basis for the digital sculpts!
The undead legionnaires are looking good but lack a little of Bonners stylisation around the faces at the mo which is a bit of a shame as his work on Warzone tended to be somewhat stylised and exaggerated which would be great to see in he final sculpts too. It would have been nice to get traditional sculpts instead of cg but that's just my preference!
Best if luck!
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Joshua
Yes we tried to register on the excelsior forum but to no avail, we would love to answer their questions directly, but can't at the moment as can't register!
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Nice.
Mostly just bookmarking this thread in hopes of seeing more stuff like the one above as I've never been a big fan of Warzone. The U version had good rules but the setting and on the whole the aesthetic never appealed to me accross the board. That said, I have a reasonable number of miniatures from the line, including but not limited to at least two sets of the famous "80 troopers in a plastic bag, one each for Bauhaus and Imperial". So it'll be a bit of shame if the new minis will be much bigger than the old ones :?
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Ohh this is so cool.
Unfortunately very high hopes from me and thats make this venture hard to satisfy the high hopes.
What Im trying to write is that it can be a very nice project but can it could have problem trying to satisfy all nostalgia of people remembering things to be better than they actually were.
The Cyrasiers sketches looks very promising and a new modern style but still showing homage to the old. A more up to date version of an old concept.
Best of luck on this.
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I get you Engel.
It's all about making sure the nostalgia is kept in mind, but also the way modern Sci-Fi wargaming has gone. Of course, that's not to say it has to be like every other Sci-Fi game!
I'm just the messenger! :)
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Whoahh that is nice! :o
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Regarding rules: We have developed a new system based on the old, our aim is to be novel, innovative and really excite the tabletop gamer with our models and game.
IMO 1st edition Warzone were a real pile of gold as far as the rules are concerned.
Alternate activations, action based etc
Still up todate!
I used similar ideas for my Victory Decision system with good reason.
Please keep this spirit alive...
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That Razide torso looks ace. Seems like you guys real did your homework.
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Ohh :-*
That Razide is looking really nice.
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Fantastic Razide! This will be super. I read somewhere the game system will be somewhat similar to Warmachine. On one hand not too shabby, as IMO it's the best rules system there is...but on the other hand not necessary IMO. The normal system worked fine. Maybe downtune it to D10 (D20 is only great for skirmish games and roleplay with many modifiers IMO). But in general the system itself was good.
Balance is something I may be more interested in. First edition was not really balanced, especially with all the equipment. Pick a shooty character with Nimrod Autocannon, add Helmet for +1 action, add a medic unit and the result was insane.
Second edition was better, but the balance between shooting and close combat was screwed. UWX really was a good step forwards, but the book wasn’t very well designed. The game was great though, although the Dark Eden forces were on the weak side IIRC
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So far I'm pretty pleased with the Cybertronic concepts <3 I just hope you'll keep the good ole 'great war' look Imperial and Bauhaus had ;)
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Balance is something I may be more interested in. First edition was not really balanced, especially with all the equipment. Pick a shooty character with Nimrod Autocannon, add Helmet for +1 action, add a medic unit and the result was insane
Well, that would be close to a WARMAHorde Warcaster then, wouldn't it? :P
Agreed on the Razide, what there is of it looks good. Might want to get a couple even if they are Chaos Dark Symmetry thingies, they work well for generic big alien bruiser types in other games.
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Is that torso sculpted in the traditional way or 3D printed?
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looks great !!!
can't wait to see the future Blood Berets ;)
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Its CAD designed and then a LOW-res print. We will be moving to High res when we are sure it fits well together!
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WOW these look ACE! nice undead troops! but that torso is something else!
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If that's only low res, it promises a lot for high res :)
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Ohh this is so cool.
Unfortunately very high hopes from me and thats make this venture hard to satisfy the high hopes.
What Im trying to write is that it can be a very nice project but can it could have problem trying to satisfy all nostalgia of people remembering things to be better than they actually were.
The Cyrasiers sketches looks very promising and a new modern style but still showing homage to the old. A more up to date version of an old concept.
Best of luck on this.
+1
After all, this is the only great thing that a Swedish game company ever produced :)
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Did I leave this here?
(http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=126354757536761&set=a.125753424263561.23052.125652014273702&type=1&theater)
...Machinators. :)
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Compare that to the 2nd edition Machinators art:
(http://mutantchronicles.wbl.sk/machinator_bronze.jpg)
http://mutantchronicles.wbl.sk/machinator_bronze.jpg
Okay, the Machinators were superstupid in 2nd where they were drug-induced soldiers instead of robots...
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these are going to be heroic scale like GW i hope? dont want incey wincey small sci fi!
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Earlier they said the figs would be heroic 28mm just like most other companies.
And yes, I am a big fan :o of Warzone! Woooohoooooo!
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Great concepts and sculpts :o Even if I don't think I'll swap my 100 and more v1 minis for the new ones (or if only I win lottery lol).
I'm a 15years warzone fan. I only hope it will be enough "connected" to the original game rules (especially the v1...the 2nd ruleset never interested me, even if I bought the game) and minis range (YES, I like v1 minis...Old school, but some of them are really nice. See the warzone topic on the LA scifi forum).
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these are going to be heroic scale like GW i hope? dont want incey wincey small sci fi!
Concerning scale, remember that v1 warzone was on the big side of heroic scale. SOmething like "super super heroic 28mm" lol it seems imho that 2d edition minis were often smaller.
Can't wait to give you my money for new up to date warzone stuff... ;D Please do a Chronopia reboot too ! 8)
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I beg of you, keep shoulder pads on the smaller side... I can't stand some of the old Mishima and Brotherhood sculpt proportions.
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I beg of you, keep shoulder pads on the smaller side... I can't stand some of the old Mishima and Brotherhood sculpt proportions.
would it still be warzone without ridiculously large shoulder pads? when I think of the different corporation factions (Capitol and Bauhaus) I think of there iconic shoulder pads
love that necromuntant :D
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^^ I guess this is a Necro Mutant, the old sculpts had a similar unsymmetric armor.
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I like the fact new sculpts and concepts (razide, necromutants) still recognizable for old fans. It will make minis mixing between old school range and new ones easier.
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pretty cool. bought the old boxed game last year!
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The gun definitely looks like a pimped modern Belzarach...like it! 8)
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Please... ditch the huge shoulder pads. I'm all for heroic 28mm, keeping the aesthetics, the retro WWI vibe of Imperial and Bauhaus, but really those were awful.
From the current concepts, it looks like I'll be getting one of everything.
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Don't touch the should pads !
(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l8/slotdem/miniature%20heroes%20and%20villains/PA180013_zps2b373c3a.jpg)
:D
Since the new warzone is following Paul Bonner creations, it should keep our beloved shoulder pads... 8)
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I freaking love the old Blood Berets like the one above! The later Excelsior sculpts were nice, and I do have some, but they just don't have the character of those original BB's. Nice brushwork, too. I have the same type of camo on mine, except the base color is grey rather than green.
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Interesting. I am a big fan of the MC universe, and GM'd several groups in the RPG before the arrival of Warzone, which I, of course, plunged myself into.
I also bought the U rules, but gave up on reading through them. Too heavy.
I'll certainly be watching where this is going...
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I don't mind the Blood Beret pads, etc. But these...
(http://www.coolminiornot.com/pics/pics4/img3e96c6e527281.jpg)
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Wouldn't mind if they based any new rules around the 'Univeruse' V3. set. Combined the best of V1 with much wider forces. Balance might be an issue, and some stuff dropped (Illan Hellcart' for one - but good rules. I would also stick with D20, but if you need to change it - D10 NOT D6 PLEASE.
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Ok! I'm sold! When is e kickstarter going live?!
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Have they said they are going the kickstarter route? I really hope they're actually going the old fashioned route of making things and then selling them. Rob's involvement gives me some small faith in the project but I just can't back any company trying to sell product based mostly on 'virtual' product. Company with no track record that I'm aware of using a technology that has produced some excellent figures but also some real dogs as well... As much as I'm excited about Warzone as it's my favorite sci-fi wargame my skeptical side towards kickstarter and the track records I've seen of delays, excuses, and gamer stockholm syndrome with other companies. I'm still holding out faith the the 15th is "BUY OUR FIGURES! READY TO SHIP!!!" rather than "give us your money for figures that will be out some time in the nebulous future and please don't complain if we blow our hypothetical deadlines!".
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I hope they will keep the d20 mechanic. It's a part of warzone (and chronopia) identity. ;)
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Gotta say, I'm super excited, best gaming news ive heard in awhile.
Warzone and Chronopia are 2 of my all time fave games.
The new sculpts look great. I own a lot of the older minis and I would definitely buy what I have seen.
Personally I would rather buy mins as they are made instead of a kickstarter. But if akickstarter would allow more minis quicker I would put my money down.
As to the rules I would love it if they kept it d20 but d10 works, please no d6 system.
Jason
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Hi Guys,
Did some playtesting tonight, I think you're going to be quite happy! I certainly was. I can't say why, I'm sworn to secrecy!!! :)
I think Kickstarter will always allow for more minis, faster and in a more desirable material, but it is still up for discussion. The fans seem very divided.
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So for those interested in the game mechanic and our continuing retro feel:
(http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/6140/wzd20.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/831/wzd20.jpg/)
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So you're doing a co-partnership with Gamescience...;):P
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Good to know you keep the D20.
As for Kickstarter, I think if you can show a number of final production models so people can get an idea of their look and quality, then you might just see a very successful kickstarter campaign.
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I have nothing against kickstarter, even if I never used it. Crowfunding is just made for this kind of indy projects, after all.
The only thing is that I hope the warzone range will be also available in stores (at least european ones).
I'm very happy the d20 will still there. It's in Warzone and chronopia gaming system's DNA.
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help me out here, I'm not 100% sure what I'm looking at. My initial thought was that it's the business end of a weapon. but I'm not really sure anymore. what is that?
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More revealed on that one soon...
However, for now...
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Lovely digital sculpts! I'm guessing they are Cybertronic but where's the shoulder pads?!
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What about Mishima - will they be there or has Paradox banned them?
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Loving those Cybertronic.
shooty poses,shooty poses,shooty poses, please.
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Can't wait the game release :o
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awesome stuff. so squads will be sold in groups of 5 models. will there be options for squad leaders and specialists in the basic box set or will they be sold seperatly?
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I'm reading "Chasseurs" behind the Prodos Games logo. So they are going back to 1st edition for the Chasseurs (the ones with bare torso or singlets who later became the People Volunteers)? Nice move!
Love these A LOT!
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Those Cybertronic fellows are awesome, plenty of other uses for them too. I definitely suggest you heretically stray away from Warzone's tradition of Mighty Shoulderpads on every other model, as it makes them much more usable as generic minis in other games too.
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Loving those Cybertronic
Yep. Very ubiquitous too. Prolly partly 'cuz they don't have supersize shoulder pads :P
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For the rules junkies amongst you:
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Ah cool...the Plasmacaster's back? So Max Steiner once again fields two plasmacasters instead of two lousy SMG's?
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They look nice and simple ,so far; one of the great things about the 1st edition rules was you you pretty much play an game straight away,and each faction had it's own distinct flavour. For instance my Imperials were;
Squad of Trenchers
Squad of Golden Panthers
Unit of Warhounds (all with Chargers :o)
Two scouts on foot with smoke launchers
Two scouts mounted on those trike things,also with smoke launchers
Barracuda,attached to Trenchers
No special kit,this little bunch while expensive we're very hard indeed. I think each of my units numbered about 6 to 8 figures,great fun having the Warhounds shooting through a smoke cloud wacking everything lol
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Here's a stripped down version of the Cybertronic Chasseurs, showing some of the possible poses.
(http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/355/poseschaissur.jpg)
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Thanks! That makes it easier to visualize.
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Excellent - Thank you.
Shift to Eagerly Waiting mode. (Overwatch)
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Does this mean I will be able to buy some Bauhaus Vulkan battlesuits and get some more Imperial trencher poses? I suppose I can live with that. If I have too.
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Here's a very early 3D concept!
(http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/6343/headyu.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/6/headyu.jpg/)
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Atilla Cuirassier?
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Great design, I really like it. :)
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Atilla Cuirassier?
for sure !
Can we start to guess wich armies we'll see in boxed set ? :D
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From their Facebook page:
Breaking news: The first hero, for one of our inital factions will be female! Her concept art and fluff are awesome, we think you'll love her.
Not Dark Legion and not Cybertronic either :) Here's hoping for Duval or Del Torres.
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Duval! She's the purdy one and also a real classic!
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There's also Golgotha though ;)
But Valerie would be ace.
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Very interesting news indeed!
I always loved Warzone and I`m really looking forward to see more. The concept arts and the other pics look great.
There is definitely also a lot of interest in my gaming group.
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for sure !
Can we start to guess wich armies we'll see in boxed set ? :D
I think you'll be surprised! :)
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Great
What i've seen so far makes me so exited, especially new Attila
I WANT MORE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Oh yes, Brotherhood is back with a vengeance. Glad you went with shoulderpads as it's true to the roots. And these ones look quite nice too!
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Oh yes, Brotherhood is back with a vengeance. Glad you went with shoulderpads as it's true to the roots
I agree. For me brotherhood are elite troopers in armored combat suits, more than simple uniforms.
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Back in 1st ed I always disliked the dark Legion, seeing the new Razide that might change...
;) ;)
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My soul, it's your Dark Legion!
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Back in 1st ed I always disliked the dark Legion, seeing the new Razide that might change...
;) ;)
Dark legion was already uber cool in 1st editon ! Even the first razide :
(mini painted by demi morgana, lead adventure member):
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a352/demi_morgana/Smieci%20na%20bloga/Razyda1_800x600-1.jpg)
Even comparing Paul Bonner draw :
http://3k10.pl/wp-content/uploads/razide.jpg
Warzone 2013 is really cool, concept are great, and I'll buy it for sure, but Warzone was already a great game with great minis (just remember it was 15years ago), even if all the brand range was not of the same level.
I'm a biased warzone fan (it was my first game), but warzone was really cool for the rules, but also for some of the figures. :D
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100% with you sundayhero 8)
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I had the Razide too and he surely does look like a exact copy of the Bonner painting. This is one of the miniatures that is iconic and I really hope they don't screw it up ;)
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I love that old model, I might have to look for one to go with the new ones I will be getting. :)
Timeless design that has really stood up, potentially one of the only designs that has stood the test of time. Though, when Demi paints anything, he makes it look gorgeous...
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Overall, I'm really excited but I have a few critiques:
Razide: I'm not a fan of the razide holding the weapon one handed. I really like the originals where it is holding a massive weapon in two hands.
Dark Legionannires: They don't look emaciated and "dead" enough. If they aren't exactly zombies, maybe they could be more wirey looking or less buff. Look at Paul Mueller's traditional putty work--lots of muscles showing, but no fat.
I really like the new Attilla and Cybertronic chasseurs. I always felt the original Cybertronic models weren't very good looking. I can't wait to see what they do with the egg walker (I mean Eradicator).
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(http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/600550_128130410692529_1864226982_n.jpg)
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:-* :-* :-* :-*
Want to paint this
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Dark Legionannires: They don't look emaciated and "dead" enough. If they aren't exactly zombies, maybe they could be more wirey looking or less buff. Look at Paul Mueller's traditional putty work--lots of muscles showing, but no fat.
I'm not sure the concept is about legionnaries. For me it's more like a necromutant. Necromutant v1 range is the perfect example of figures I will easily replace with some new ones 8)
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I like how they gave the Razide some pants to hide it's non-existant Schlong... Come on people, this is a genetically engineered monstrosity with a steel skeleton, I really don't think the Tekrons would bother giving him reproductive organs or the some kind of fashion sense :D
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This is getting better and better.
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The 12 year old within me is jumping with joy.
My mate took out his complete collection of Doom Trooper from the basement after hearing these news lol
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I like how they gave the Razide some pants to hide it's non-existant Schlong... Come on people, this is a genetically engineered monstrosity with a steel skeleton, I really don't think the Tekrons would bother giving him reproductive organs or the some kind of fashion sense :D
That's where he hides his secondary weapon
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What the hell? How did I miss this. That razide mini is :-* :'( :D 8) :o :-X >:D :P
Need need need need need. Now to check the rest of this thread.
Edit: oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, this looks cool!!!
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I like how they gave the Razide some pants to hide it's non-existant Schlong... Come on people, this is a genetically engineered monstrosity with a steel skeleton, I really don't think the Tekrons would bother giving him reproductive organs or the some kind of fashion sense :D
Hahaha! Something like that!
No, I think it's more to do with making a nice join on the model, and also, it breaks the model up a little more to make painting it a little easier!
Someone on one of the forums said it was made from the flesh of his victims, which sounds pretty cool!
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Holy awesome model Batman! That Razide is fantastic!! Best Razide so far.
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That's where he hides his secondary weapon
lol
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I'm slowly warming up to this, even though most miniatures are sculpted digitally. I mean, it's Warzone, my second-first love!
It all really depends on how the true-humans are going to end up.
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(http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s480x480/600589_10200106762127699_793670265_n.jpg)
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Interesting. Might we be getting an armory listing in the near future so we can compare accordingly?
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I think that will be one for the rulebook ;)
(http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s480x480/521608_10200107858835116_156323733_n.jpg)
Pre-production Masters...
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Can't wait to spend my money on Warzone again ! Like the good old days...But with bigger wallet (not that much bigger, I'm afraid... lol )
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Razide: I'm not a fan of the razide holding the weapon one handed. I really like the originals where it is holding a massive weapon in two hands
Yep. My excitement about the new Raz shrivelled to the point where it definitely doesn't need a loincloth any more :?
Ah well, at least there are still the Cybertronic guys to look forward to.
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Read the background to warzone again last night. These figs are really capturing the horror of the dark legion in all its gory glory.
Yeah, the actual background never fitted with the models... It's very dark, very gritty whereas, unfortunately, the old models were quite humourous and over the top...
Of course, Prodos wants to get a feel for both! Somehow! It's finding the balancing point though.
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I keep throwing my wallet against the computer monitor but it just bounces back. :?
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Give it some time! ;)
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I keep throwing my wallet against the computer monitor but it just bounces back. :?
Yeah, credit card in the DVD drive didnt work for me either ;)
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@tnjrp:
(http://liniafrontu.pl/galerie/duze/2566_1_78.jpg)
;)
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Such gorgeous artwork... I'm in love! :-*
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If the new game gets us decent and naked Razides they can't fail!
;) ;)
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Yeah, looks so tempting :-*
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If the new game gets us decent and naked Razides they can't fail!
;) ;)
Naked, no, but decent, hell yes!
Naked, they looked a bit like Action man Dolls... And for all the wrong reasons!
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Nice picture, Jase.
Re: the loincloths. Is Razide junk really that important? Keep 'em. IMO, muscled eunuchs look much sillier.
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Doesn't seem to be the Nazgaroth aka 'Fist of Algeroth' on the featured render, though.
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According to my 1st edition rulebook, it's not a nazgaroth. I don't know what heavy weapon is.
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According to my 1st edition rulebook, it's not a nazgaroth. I don't know what heavy weapon is.
Zurion Razide with Hellblaster Autocannon perhaps? 8)
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I like the loin cloths. If its going to make an easy join as well then great!
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Due to this i'm going to have to delve into the cupboard to fine my 1st edtion rulebook (and supplements - have all (as far as aware) 1st, most 2nd and Universe at War), as this seems to be 1st Ed. flavoured.
Wonder if the initial release with just be Cybertronic and Dark Legion (Algeroth - hope Illan isn't far behind, Power of choice). Have to have a think about the pile of metal i have for Illan and Mishima that isn't painted, wonder if a 'sell-off' to fund new figures is in order (leave's Cult of Illan force)
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Just Dark Legion and Cybertronic? Noooo...
There's 4 factions coming out to start with... ;)
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Personnaly, I'm waiting for imperial minis to complete my army (for example, trenchers, wich are not available anymore).
I will keep my old metal minis (for exemple I still prefer my v1 legionnaries and razide...yes, I'm getting old probably... lol )...But I'd like to complete my armies and support the new warzone project.
Concerning rules, we'll see. Is there any french version planned ?
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Personnaly, I'm waiting for imperial minis to complete my army (for example, trenchers, wich are not available anymore).
Available here: http://shop.princeaugust.ie/warzone-mutant-chronicles-wargame/warzone-games-expansion-sets/tg2420-1-warzone-mutant-chronicles-bag-of-80-plastic-soldiers/
http://shop.princeaugust.ie/warzone-mutant-chronicles-wargame/imperial-mega-corporation/tg9872pb-warzone-imperial-trencher-sniper-figures/
http://shop.princeaugust.ie/warzone-mutant-chronicles-wargame/imperial-mega-corporation/tg9873pb-warzone-imperial-trencher-with-charger-hmg-figures/
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thanks, but I knew these links already ;)
concerning plastic minis : regular troops are not trenchers ;)
And concerning the two other links, these are specialist troops : you cannot build complete units (no normal trench troopers, no sergeant).
That's the problem with the remaining new old stock (for both chronopia and warzone) : some units cannot be built anymore, because some minis are gone forever. It's why I'm following warzone 2013 project with the biggest interest 8)
edit : I'm particularly interested in Dark Eden armies : a really cool side of the universe. I remember when I readed warzone chronicles, the authors promised us big monsters, cavalry, etc...
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Prodos Games are very please to announce the addition of Mr. Andy Hoare to the MC Warzone resurrection writing team. Andy is a massive Mutant Chronicles fan and has been battling in the Solar System since the early 90s.
Andy Hoare is a veteran of the tabletop wargaming industry having worked for Games Workshop, Wyrd, Architects of War, Mantic and others. He works as a freelance designer and author and lives in the Midlands in the UK, the spiritual home of the tabletop wargaming scene.
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we've seen concepts for Dark Legion :D, Cybertronic ???, and Brotherhood :-[. So which is the 4th faction - i would think either BauHaus or Imperial, though Captiol could swap out fore either of those. Don't think any specific DL Power (other than Algeroth :?) will be covered in the first release.
And having dug out my old 1st Ed (second print run) books, i know why the Chasseur's don't appeal - where are the sholder pads ;D (it would be cool if miniatures came with seperate pads, so that those of us who love them could use them, and those poor souls wo don't just leave them off)
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Please -- no Capitol with baseball caps or cowboy hats.
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Prodos Games are very please to announce the addition of Mr. Andy Hoare to the MC Warzone resurrection writing team. Andy is a massive Mutant Chronicles fan and has been battling in the Solar System since the early 90s.
Andy Hoare is a veteran of the tabletop wargaming industry having worked for Games Workshop, Wyrd, Architects of War, Mantic and others. He works as a freelance designer and author and lives in the Midlands in the UK, the spiritual home of the tabletop wargaming scene.
Great news, I always like Andy's writing style and rulebooks!!!
Welcome Andy!!!
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Please -- no Capitol with baseball caps or cowboy hats.
Why ? That's also Warzone : Shoulder pads, monsters without pants, and baseball caps. What's wrong with that ? lol
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True, the 1st edition Capitol infantry look was perfectly (if a bit beefy) OK for me.
It got worse IMO with the "Rangers / Cowboy" hats in 2nd ed...
But all simply personal taste, I am sure that the current plans will have a different look anyway...
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Yes, those caps and hats really gave them this "we are the cowboys, the west is ours" feeling. lol
I liked them to.
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Don't forget some of them were also wearing football helmets ! That was pretty cool too.
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I actually liked the baseball hats although the brims were a bit too big. I never liked the football helmets but the 2nd edition stuff was great, doe boy brimmed hats for light infantry and the helmets with ridges for the heavy infantry looked good IMHO.
What I didn't like was the enlongated face plate of the later 2nd edition Banshees and assault troopers. they made the models too busy and difficult to paint due to soft definition
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Great news, I always like Andy's writing style and rulebooks!!!
Welcome Andy!!!
Thank you mate :D
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Great new pic :)
(http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s480x480/60777_10200123521786680_226028749_n.jpg)
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Khador Warjack? lol
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Why not ? After all Warzone's got a bit of steampunk too lol
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Looks like I'll be selling my 40k stuff
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Alright already! When can I buy some?
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Today is the day of the Brotherhood!
(http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/72636_10152245997117195_96613605_n.jpg)
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Ah yes, the classic Bonner drawing with the super-weird and mysterious dinosaur! Did anyone ever get that one? I know Bonner's a dino-fan, but it always looked so strange in this drawing.
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Hope the Mistress of the Dark Symmetry won't be far behind, can't have to Godsquad getting a foothold without some payback ;)
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Ah yes, the classic Bonner drawing with the super-weird and mysterious dinosaur! Did anyone ever get that one? I know Bonner's a dino-fan, but it always looked so strange in this drawing.
A wondered about the dinosaur myself, but if you consider that there are giant lizards used as riding mounts on Venus... A Diplodocus-type creature wouldn't be out of the question :)
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I always thought that dinosaurs were Cathedral pilars stone gargoyles or something like that.... ???
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I always thought that dinosaurs were Cathedral pilars stone gargoyles or something like that.... ???
I thought about that possibility too, but Dinosaur statues in a huge cathedral would be even weirder than actual dinos :D
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Maybe they represent vanguished Darwinians, those early heralds of the Dark Apostles*... :P
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PS. I foresee litigation possibilities for I'd be surprised if Games Workshop hasn't trademarked the (*) term for Chaos Space Marines...
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(http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s480x480/563168_10200129392333440_1880977625_n.jpg)
eeeee!!!!! Love this design, so much!
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Nice !
What about the other preview (the red and grey steampunk pic) ?
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You got spoilt today ;) Lots of interesting bits and bobs...
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That's the hand of the Holy Cardinal :o :o :o :o :o
I choosed my new army ! Definitly :D I already have a very small troop of Brotherhood (one inquisitor, one keeper, and a small infantry squad, all v1), I always wanted to build a Brotherhood army !
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Liking the Brotherhood stuff so far! What forces are being released though!
Its looking like Brotherhood, Cybertronic and Dark Legion but there was mention of 4 in the initial release so whats the last one going to be!
All the best!
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Just wait, the 4th faction is going to be excellent and quite possibly my army of choice...
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Cheers Scurv :)
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TBH I am more excited about this than the rogue trooper game which I never thought I would say as I love RT.
Same for me :), I am still tempted by RT, but Warzone IS BACK with a vengeance!
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Warzone rebirth announcement made me stop ANY OTHER games projects for this year. Simply as that.
I'll finish to paint things I started, but I will not buy any other products this year except warzone. (well, and perhaps CHRONOPIA if a rebirth is announced too lol)
Please don't disappoint us !
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And then there was Alakhai...
Alakhai the Cunning
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/860344_10200134850229884_956173100_o.jpg)
and the original Bonner art:
(http://pds27.egloos.com/pds/201212/16/88/f0042788_50cd5487a525b.jpg)
Just a few more hours to midnight.
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Ruining all my fun!
Hehe! This one went up whilst I was out, love the design, can't wait to paint him! :)
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Sorry Rob!!
I'm just a bit too enthusiastic I suppose :) This is the first edition that I'm actually liking the DL models.
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Awesome stuff!
I'd quite like to have seen the shoulder pads engraved with the patterns like the illustration but that's a small niggle!
All the best!
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Wow! :o
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Sorry Rob!!
I'm just a bit too enthusiastic I suppose :) This is the first edition that I'm actually liking the DL models.
No such thing as too enthusiastic! I was out all day, spread the word!!! :D
Awesome stuff!
I'd quite like to have seen the shoulder pads engraved with the patterns like the illustration but that's a small niggle!
All the best!
I'm glad you like them, means a lot. :)
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http://warzonegame.com/
Dear Mutant Chronicles Warzone Fans.
Firstly we would like to thank you for all the support and excitement you have shown for ‘Warzone Resurrection’. We are truly blown away by it! We would also like to thank you for your constructive feedback, which has helped us tread the fine line between the old and the new. We are very proud and excited by what has been produced and we hope you are too! After all - you’ve kept the dream alive for the last 20 years.
So as we promised, today is the day… the big reveal! What does that mean? Well, firstly we are able to present the three factions we have decided to lead with, namely Dark Legion, The Brotherhood and the MegaCorporation Cybertronic. It is also the day we launch the ‘Kickstarter’ project to finance the fourth faction MegaCorporation Bauhaus.
We understand some people are not keen on the concept of ‘Kickstarter’ and as such wanted to explain a couple of things.
1. We intend for all products we have developed so far for the first 3 factions to be available in June 2013. The Kickstarter project (its success or failure) will not affect these plans.
2. We have a stretched goal for ‘Kickstarter’ which will allow us to manufacture the ‘starter boxes’ in plastic. If we do not meet this the starter will be made (like the rest of the initial releases) in high grade resin.
If you do not wish to support a Kickstarter project, but still want a Warzone Resurrection force (or two), you will be able to pre-order them from our website (warzonegame.com), after the Kickstarter, to receive in June. Or you can order them for near-immediate delivery after the release date from the same site.
We also intend to sell through FLGS. So if you know one that you think should stock Warzone Resurrection, let us know!
Another key thing is that we have designed a new game system; one that like everything else in Warzone Resurrection is a mixture of old and new. Key to this is the skirmish approach and the D20 of old, but we have also incorporated algorithms from computer game programming (for balance) and card play (to represent environmental, wargear and personnel effects on the battle). But be assured, Mutant Chronicles Warzone Resurrection is still primarily a tabletop 28mm scale miniature skirmish game and a very good, exciting and gripping one at that!
Kind Regards and Happy Gaming
Jarek, Mark and Michal (Prodos Games Ltd.)
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Hi!
Great to see a decent Kickstarter but I have real reservations about the Bauhuas concepts, they are nothing like as good as the other stuff you have shown so far and thus far kind of remind me of an underarmoured ironman and the shoulderpads are very disappointing to be honest plus the redesigned guns are pretty poor compared to the iconic imagery of the old Warzone.
Also the Vulcan, while having good elements such as its torso, just isn't as good as the original.
Is it possible to look at the originals more closely as Bauhaus had some cracking designs back in the day and I just feel these are a bit weak in comparison!
I am not trying to be negative as I really want the game to succeed and the rest of the forces look top notch!
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... And so it begins ;D
The Bauhaus tropps are just concept sketches.
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Hi!
I know they are just concept sketches but just too far from the original concept art for my, and I suspect a fair few other folks liking...
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I'd recommend keeping an open mind and seeing what happens. Designs will change and develop according to feedback. For example, little things, like the brotherhood facemasks changed at the last minute. Luckily, with the medium Prodos is using, this can be a simple thing to do, if caught at the right stage of development.
Wait and see. :)
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Indeed!
Fingers are crossed but please more like this:
(http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s449/spacecowsmith/Bauhaus_zps3608d72a.jpg)
Taken from the old RPG Bauhaus guide!
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I really like that old pic. Not too silly like some of the older models...
Those helmets would be lovely!
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erm,no Offence but that's the most stupid Trailer i've seen on a Kickstarter Campaign so far,says absolutely nothing ??? :-X
Renders are nice but if the final Quality looks like this,then i'm definitely sticking with my old Minis :?
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/388/982/103f9a6b15585a8afb7800a4776fd309_large.jpg?1360872779)
nonetheless i'm really digging the new Bauhaus Concept,i have more than enough Pickelhauben Soldiers,Time for something new ;D
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Ugh, kickstarter... Well, see y'all in June when we see how things come to fruition. Just don't have enough faith in digital sculpting to throw dollars or pounds behind the venture. One of those things that it's completely failed to entice me to potentially convert from using my old miniatures and grab up new ones. As I said awhile back, I'm officially one sad panda today as the BIG!!! announcement wasn't so big to me. Wish Prodos the best of luck on reviving the game for a third or fourth time but my cash will stay firmly roosted in my pocket until they have some real product that I can scrutinize.
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Sweet. Four pay days away, that should build the account up before you knock it back down.
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Renders are nice but if the final Quality looks like this,then i'm definitely sticking with my old Minis
Well, they do have a certain number of anatomical oddities, such as the classic "ham fists bigger than my head". And yes, I noticed their hands are mechanical but it still doesn't look very good to me. Detailing is about how I expected tho I might be tempted to assume the light base coating isn't flattering them.
They come to about £3.17 per mini at "Kickstarter" pledge level (the name of which is surely to be a source of confusion in on the 'net :P), disregarding the large model included so they aren't super cheap either.
All the same, they'd go well aesthetically with my Zvezda Star Troopers so I'm still tempted. Luckily I can sleep on it a couple of weeks since it's a long-running KS 8)
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Pledged for 54 GBP 8)
It all looks so awesome, can't wait until June!!!
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Oh yeah, another KS! Well - despite my general dislike of KS I might pledge for a Brotherhood force. 8)
I love the renders and most prototype prints look good enough! ;)
Otherwise...
I know they are just concept sketches but just too far from the original concept art for my, and I suspect a fair few other folks liking...
Have to agree here, IMO not a good move to show these very early sketches. :?
Renders are nice but if the final Quality looks like this,then i'm definitely sticking with my old Minis :?
I would not go that far, but I really can't understand why not wait a week more and show some painted examples decently photographed.
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Seems to be a quick turn around for a kick starter
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I'm glad to see some positive responses, it's being very successful so far.
For those of you that don't 'do' kickstarter, that's fine. It will be great to see the product supported in FLGS, but remember that they will only be plastic if Prodos hits that £70,000 marker! :D
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Question: What type of plastic are you aiming for if the stretch goal is hit?
PLEASE don't use the plastic resin (restic) that Privateer Press and Mantic Games use, because it's terrible stuff! I'd rather have resin miniatures or styrene miniatures which are slightly more expensive than miniatures made with restic. Cleaning restic is such a horrible process, it will kill the fun in assembling these miniatures.
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I keep my questions :
Is a french version of the ruleset is planned ?
Concerning old version compatibility : do you plan to make the unit cards available separatly ? So I can use my old minis with new rules ?
thanks
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May I suggest that you also open threads announcing the KS on EnWorld and RPG.net? :)
Edit: And TMP! And of course TGN is it hasn't been submitted yet
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Renders look decent - I'm trusting better shots are coming soon - but there's certainly more substance for the campaign than that "Gates of Antares" thing. I'm going to wait for actual product though. I'm KS'd out at the moment, after Sedition Wars and Bug Hunt Corridors.
My only wish is that they were metal. Metal-snob that I am.
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My only wish is that they were metal. Metal-snob that I am.
Ah you old timer... ;) ;)
For me metal would be also welcome. I just like the heavy feel when placing a metal mini on the table!
Plastic is not a real additional value to me!
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Ah you old timer... ;) ;)
For me metal would be also welcome. I just like the heavy feel when placing a metal mini on the table!
Plastic is not a real additional value to me!
Yes - the 'weight', exactly. Guess I have been doing this a long time.
Does this mean I'll end up a geezer-gamer talking about the good ol' days when minis had HEFT. "Heft, dagnabit. Not like this newfangled sissy restic/plesin. Why back in my day, we had metal vehicle models you could stun a horse with. grumble grumble."
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Does this mean I'll end up a geezer-gamer talking about the good ol' days when minis had HEFT. "Heft, dagnabit. Not like this newfangled sissy restic/plesin. Why back in my day, we had metal vehicle models you could stun a horse with. grumble grumble."
Yup - at 48 - you ARE in that league! :D
( I have turned 52 in December...) 8)
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My only wish is that they were metal. Metal-snob that I am.
Me too, definitly. In France, we doesn't say "old fashioned", we say "vieux con" lol (try to translate this one lol).
The only plastic/resin figs I have are dungeon and dragons minis and heroclix.
Concerning warzone, as I said I will probably complete my old v1 metal collection than replace it with plastic/resin.
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Love these!
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Legionnaries are (if I remember correctly) soldiers' corpses funded on the battefield : perhaps some uniform and army gear optional parts would be a good idea.
In the first edition (again, the "vieux con" is speaking lol) first sculpt legionnaries catched that pretty well (a shoulderpad there, a helmet there, some pieces of scifi battle armor, etc...).
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Indeed!
They are possibly a little too generic at the mo so some helmeted heads or shoulder pads as separate bits would be handy!
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I think a small pack of shoulder pads wouldn't go amiss... :)
I will point out, I am friends with the Prodos guys, not a member of the company, so that doesn't reflect what will come out at all!
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Love these!
What he said.
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I'm not too fond of those. Too 'Walking Dead with guns'. Legionnaires are reanimated corpses, yes, but not shambling zombies, rather necrotech automatons controlled by the will of sentient DL creatures. When the controlling link is broken, they will probably look like this; some of these don't seem able to bring a gun to bear on the enemy.
As for the 'Everasseur', don't get me started :(
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I like them as a sculpts but a little more cunning looking would be great.
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I like the undead legionnaires a lot. Much better mini pic as the Cybertronic guy!
Keep it up...
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Yup, I think the idea is that Prodos are going to post an unpainted picture, followed by a painted one when they get done.
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Damn, now they have me, just pledged at "The Razide" Level...
I just could not resist after seeing the Undead Legionaires.
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Why is he wearing crocs????
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How dare thou talkest bad about the Cardinal's Combat Slippers!?!
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I wish he was holding the sword in a hitting grip.
I can't think of any reason for holding a sword by the blade like that. Maybe he is chasticing (not quite sure about the spelling) himself?
Honestly: For a war game, let's have minis that look like they are fighting, taking menacing stances, standing with arms at the ready, etc. This concept is great for modellers that wish to create dioramas or spectacular single minis for display, but, if I haven't gotten it completely wrong, the current project is to revive Warzone, so let's have sculpts for the tabletop at first.
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That Vulkan is really great. Hope the final model will be as great!
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Is the last render of the so-called Everasseur? (I really detest that name). It looks better than the previously revealed artwork, then.
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It's an alternative re-working of it after customer feedback. It looks as though it will be sold as well as the original one.
I love the new Vulcan. Much beefier and it reminds me of a German Armoured transport from WW2...
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The new look Vulkan is a VAST improvement on the last 'place-setter' they showed off.
I love it :-*
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I'm *really* pleased you like it.
You going to Overlord mate, PM me and we could have a chat if you want! Or meet up at the AWC :)
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Awesome, all. I liked the "iBauhaus" look, but that reworked Vulkan is even better.
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Never really a great fan of Bauhaus, more a Mishima/Ilian Dark Legion fella. The new sculpt for the Vulcan might just change my mind though - Thumbs up to Pardos
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That Vulkan is really great. Hope the final model will be as great!
So the Vulkan is the top one, what is the bottom one?
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econd/new sculpt of the Cybertronic Everassur (? spelling)
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I think it will have a different name too. :)
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So do prodos have any plans for chronopia?
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I think with Warzone being liscensed and Prodos being a small company, it's one for the future. I hope so as I really like the Swamp goblins!
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I think with Warzone being liscensed and Prodos being a small company, it's one for the future. I hope so as I really like the Swamp goblins!
Yeah, one thing at a time I would imagine. Get warzone nice and full first. I love the Stygian snake guys.
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Greta looking miniatures, awesome background, skrimish game, buddies who backed als well: check, check, check, check, so my pledge has been made. :)
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It is getting better and better!
Vulkan suit - Great!
Necromutant - Great!
Bauhaus troops - Getting good. I like some of the helmet designs, but the bodies aer IMO still a bit bland, needs IMO knee and leg protectors.
A pledge well placed!
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Kickstarter UPDATE: A big thank you to everyone that has contributed so far. We are doing well. Various people have asked for PDF Basic Rules for all pledge levels....it's yours! PDF BASIC RULES WILL BE SEND TO ALL PLEDGERS
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The Necromutants are nice enough, I think. The old ones are/were a bit too 'plump'/comic book style (actually the best ones I have are plastic from one of the MC boardgames, I don't remember which one).
Maybe a few more head options would be in place, but otherwise, a nice DL vibe from those.
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Is the last render of the so-called Everasseur? (I really detest that name). It looks better than the previously revealed artwork, then.
Terrible name. Sounds like a battery.
I'd like to see the old style Vulkans as well.
This is going to cost me some money I think. :D
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I'm *really* pleased you like it.
You going to Overlord mate, PM me and we could have a chat if you want! Or meet up at the AWC :)
Now that you've reminded me, I may well go. I had forgotten all about it ;D.
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Well... I've gone and done it.
I've pledged for a starter set and rulebook. I will opt for Bauhaus :).
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Brings back memories, it does!
I was part of the original team that developed the background and the first games for the MC universe back in the early 90's, working as an editor at Target Games between 1986 and 1993. One particular memory is from the day when Fredrik (the boss) gave us an ultimatum - we just had to come up with a good name for the entire property, or else he said he would call it Zoid Void if we couldn't think of something good! We were all gathered in the seating area of the office, and the discussion eventually settled on Mutant Chronicles, as the corporate-run, end-of-the-21st-century, sort of cyber punk setting of our RPG Mutant had sort of mutated into the world of Mutant Chronicles, especially with the sort of adoption of the monsters from the horror RPG Kult. Thus, the name is at the same time a reflection of the period of development of the final setting!
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That's really cool! Thanks for sharing. :)
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Can someone give me Cliff's Notes on the old Warzone? I had one of the large board games (bought several actually since they were dirt cheap and I used the miniatures for other stuff). I seem to recall it being an actual miniatures game too. When was it out? Did it just have a cult following? I thought the movie was quite awful (Sean Pertwee withstanding).
When was it popular? I recognize the models from the boardgame I had.
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@Elbows: your board game could be several:
http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/4979/blood-berets
http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/1621/mutant-chronicles-siege-of-the-citadel
http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/1760/fury-of-the-clansmen
Warzone first started out as the pen & paper RPG Mutant Chronicles...so a pure RPG. Warzone came later and was released in the mid nineties. It had a basic rule book, which contained all of the rules and army lists for the five megacorporations, Brotherhood, Cartel and Dark Legion. It also had some rules on using stats from Mutant Chronicles in Warzone (so you could import your hero into Warzone). It also had a nice short booklet with painting guides about warzone and its miniatures. A nice selling tool. One of the great things was that the main book was printed on high grade paper, with a lot of full-color pages too. Much nicer than the black & white stuff GW produced.
It followed up with three main expansions: Dawn of War (adding heroes and troops), Beasts of War (adding vehicles and big beasties) and Casualties of War (lots of new troops and rules). And then came something totally different: Dark Eden. An expansion book that took us back to Earth and introduced the factions from earth. Cool new rules, beasties, fantastic artwork. Some people loved it and some disliked it. I think it was the best expansion book so far and it had so much potential, especially for the story with the mystery behind the skulls.
Then came 2nd edition. A big overhaul, a quite different rules set and a lot more streamlined. Less whacky stuff, so it was more balanced. To me, it always felt a bit bland. The balance between ranged and melee combat wasn't well designed as melee was quite weak in comparison. Especially Mishima was a lot weaker than in 1st edition. ALso, most of the miniatures were redesigned.
Main weird thing was how Target Games changed their own background. For instance, the Cybertronic Machinators were true robots in 1st edition, a bit like Terminators. But then in 2nd edition, they changed them to drug-induced madmen...HUH?
2nd edition was a big step forwards for Target Games as it was delivered in a box set edition. So like WH40K you bought a box and got several books, 80 plastic miniatures, a bucket load of dice and templates and basically had everything you needed to play. To follow GW's working model, Target Games also released Army Books for their forces. They started out with Capitol and Bauhaus...but then things went wrong. Target decided to do all of the sales and distribution to shops themselves, pissing off loads of international distributors. Miniatures were dumped by distributors for cheap at gaming stores and most of them had dozens or even hundreds of blisters and boxes for sale for silly prices! I remember buying blisters for 1-2 euros! Golden times for buyers...but Target Games was doomed. They were gone in a matter of months and Warzone was dead for several years.
In the years that Target Games got Warzone, they also had loads of spinoff products:
*Golgotha comic series (5 comics...fantastic reading material! http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mutant-Chronicles-Golgotha-1-4-VF-NM-complete-series-sourcebook-SIMON-BISLEY-/380549967132?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item589a8bad1c)
*T-shirts
*a Magazine, like the White Dwarf. It was quite good!
*Mutant Chronicles video game for the SNES
*Paradox Entertainment was designing a RTS game (http://previews.teamxbox.com/xbox/23/Warzone-Online/p2/), was never released
*Three novels (In Lunacy, Frenzy, Dementia). Pulpy reading material, but fun nonetheless!
Then came Excelsior Entertainment. They bought the rights and started by making the biggest rulebook ever designed (it's somewhere like 500-600 pages IIRC). It took ages and in the meantime they released only few models, most of which weren't really good. The rulebook was released, but the game didn't become very popular and Excelsior Entertainment lost the rights again to Paradox. IIRC Paradox wasn't really happy with how Excelsior Entertainment and basically pulled the plug.
Not long after, the rights were sold to Fantasy Flight Games for a Mutant Chronicles game as a prouct to be sold with the Mutant Chronicles movie. It was a 54mm collectible miniatures game...but the collectible part was quickly removed because people loathed it. The game wasn't a success AT ALL. Not strange as it had a weird scale and the miniatures looked quite weird. So down the drain it went...and then it was silent for a LONG TIME
Until now 8)
I think this covers the history with some accuracy. But maybe others can fill in the blanks.
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I think you've covered it, Male.
I didn't know the part about the distribution decisions, but my impression back then was that Target tried to do the 'GW-model' far too early, and failed miserably because of that.
Had the internet been then what it is today, I think Target would probably still have been around (look at Mantic for a company that thrives on using the web for a solid base), but that is another slice of bread. :)
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Hmmm, yeah I had no less than three copies of Siege of the Citadel because it was on sale at a store for $5 a copy..and with 50+ miniatures, I couldn't resist! I used the minis for Warhammer and other weird minis games I created.
I never really heard about the rest of if though. To be fair late 90's in the US - many hobby shops had gone all-GW...and even GW itself was starting stores every month. Thanks for the explanation. Still a bit surprised that I never stumbled into the stuff.
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I REALLY don't like that one. To me there's absolutely nothing saying either Mutant Chronicles or Cybertronics.
The render of the alternative version is more my cup of tea.
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Sounds good to me Malebogia,I have all the original books,and Dark Eden is also an fave of mine :)
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I didn't know the part about the distribution decisions, but my impression back then was that Target tried to do the 'GW-model' far too early, and failed miserably because of that.
Wasn't I-Kore made up with some ex-target games people?
I-kore tried to do the GW model, whether that is why they folded, I do not know...
As for the books, I am reading Frenzy right now, the others are on order.
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The three books are real fun. I think the first book's the weakest. The whole investigator story doesn't work well and the writing is a bit poor. The second one is a simple roller coaster...lots of actions with nice heroes. Who doesn't like to see Mitch Hunter in action? The third is quite nice, but the story is full of weird coincidences.
And Ragathol really is a turd in the novels...but then again, that was the same in Warzone ;)
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Wasn't I-Kore made up with some ex-target games people?
I-kore tried to do the GW model, whether that is why they folded, I do not know...
That may be so - the Void universe has some uncanny similarities to the MC universe. Many of the minis such as the early VASA and the Synth could easily be proxied into MC, too. I have a gaming buddy who purchased a Synth set from Urban Mammoth to use as Cybertronics.
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I'm pretty sure that Kev White sculpted for Target Games towards the end, and he did all the I-Kore stuff too.
But yeah, I played Void 1.1, had a Junkers army. I quite liked it. You can still get it, but I don't know anyone that would play it anymore. :(
Besides, I'm well into this new version of Warzone. I can't wait for people to try it out for themselves, the rules are really, really cool. :)
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A couple of additions to Malebolgia's post.
The Mutant RPG:s:
v1. Mutant - Post-apoc Scandinavia around AD 2500, with lots of mutated animals, sentient robots and stuff in a more or less civilized Mad Max setting with plenty of forbidden zones. The first version came out in 1994. The game was shamelessly inspired by Gamma World.
v2. Mutant 2089 - A cyber punk version at the end of the 21st century, with big corporations replacing nations. Published in 1989.
v3. Mutant R.Y.M.D. (Mutant Space) - an intermediary game developed quickly to establish what was to become the actual Mutant Chronicles RPG. Published in 1992.
v4. Mutant Chronicles - 1993.
The boardgames:
Siege of the Citadel - this was actually the game that set everything in motion. 1993
Blood Berets - a sort of pre study for Warzone. 1993
Fury of the Clansmen - designed to be fully compatible with Siege of the Citadel. 1994
The cardgames:
Doomtrooper and Dark Eden. Doomtrooper was published in 14 languages and used the artwork from both Warzone and Mutant Chronicles. Fun bit of trivia: the Doomtrooper cards had circular images and the graphic department at Target Games had little cutouts of circles in different sizes, which they used to check the large paintings from Bonner, Parente and others for usable details for the cards. Some of the big paintings yielded about a dozen different card images. At this time I was a freelancer for Target, mosly working on translations and other miscellaneous stuff until the company folded. During the later years I was mostly involved with the card games, as I published a card gaming magazine between 1994 and 1997.
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I knew that some bigger pictures yeilded several cards! :P
Same sort of thing happening now with Prodos and the cards they are making. ;)
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That may be so - the Void universe has some uncanny similarities to the MC universe
The universe is actually much more @ Kryomek than @ Warzone. The aesthetic, especially that introduced by Urban Mammoth later on, is perhaps more Warzon-ey than Kryomek-y tho.
One rumour even has it that VOID was originally meant to be Kryomek mk 2 but this was probably stymied by the convoluted rights issues of that particular game. One of, or maybe even both, Johns (Grant & Robertson) was/were involved with Kryo however at one time, just as they were with Wz. But then, another rumour has it that "the resculpt cycle for Warzone became the start of VOID just as the resculpt cycle for Chronopia became Celtos", somewhat corroporated by Kev White working on both lines at around the same time. So there is probably some heritage of both Wz and Kryo in VOID and Urban War.
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And now it's funded - roll on Bauhaus
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Hi guys, Prodos successfully reached £35,000 today. They express their eternal gratitude to all the awesome fans out there that have pledged.
Here is what the Bauhaus starter pack is going to look like (pre-3d, which is coming soon!):
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Keep the pledges and suggestions coming. Don't forget to recommend to your mates and pledge early. Remember that certain things will only come out and get done in the way you want if certain targets are reached. By reaching £35k, Prodos are also giving everyone 1 LTD edition card pack PER starter box they have pledged for!
;D
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Definitely going for the Bauhaus starter :)
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Never was a fan of Bauhaus - but ........................ ;D
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I hope some cool short stories will be included like in 1st edition, I loved "Sgt. Carter" about that Capitol Free Marine sergeant who teams up with another squad and Kane the Inquisitor for a patrol through the Dark Legion-infested jungles of Venus... classic stuff :)
Or the Mishima scout on his Dragonbike who treks across an underground lake on Mercury only to find a pirate ship full of undead legionnaires lurking in the darkness. Scary!
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OK, you convinced me to make a pledge. :)
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I hope some cool short stories will be included like in 1st edition, I loved "Sgt. Carter" about that Capitol Free Marine sergeant who teams up with another squad and Kane the Inquisitor for a patrol through the Dark Legion-infested jungles of Venus... classic stuff :)
Or the Mishima scout on his Dragonbike who treks across an underground lake on Mercury only to find a pirate ship full of undead legionnaires lurking in the darkness. Scary!
There should be some cool stories... Written by Andy Hoare no less! :)
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Dat cavalry pants ::)
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And why not?! ;D
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Great cast! If all the casts are so good, then Prodos is doing a mighty fine job.
GW take note: this is how you cast in resin...
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I'm not yet 100% convinced by the monopose, multipart approach, but if the figures look that good, I'll certainly prefer it to the rough joints of multi-pose figures. That cyborg monstrosity isn't exactly cybertronickey in my book, either, but it looks awesome on its own.
But damn, I want those iBauhaus troops. And for all that's good and decent, they could actually pull off awesome-looking Venusian Rangers, judging from Ms. Drachen's face mask.
Oh, to think of all the nice doomtrooper-style games one can do. I wish I still had a credit card just to be able to fund this one.
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@Chris: I can raise my pledge for you, no problem. Of course, I have to send your stuff from Holland to Germany, but it is a possibility!
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@Chris: I can raise my pledge for you, no problem. Of course, I have to send your stuff from Holland to Germany, but it is a possibility!
Rather nice of you to offer, thanks! I'll see if I can work something out, or just wait for it to go on general release.
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Oh nooo!
They actually made it into a miniature??
Why would a corporation that can make something as beautiful as this guy: :-*
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go and create this .... thing: :o
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Well, apart from the above and that i think the Cypertronic weapons are too small, I am liking what i see.
Definitely looking forward to some rules for squad building, the posibility of including different specialists in your squads to tailor its role on the battlefield was one of my favorite of old Warzone.
Duregar
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$40K met!
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Doing well, hopefully Capitol will be unlocked too. Hope Prodos sends out some renders/art for Capitol (& Mishima!) to show the looks for them.
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One step at a time! But that was very quick! :)
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Design is finished, now just got to work out what pose works best. Feel free to post your opinion.
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I really do not need any new project but this one is really cool! :-* I grow up with mutant chronicle cards and I am still fascinated by the background. Those minis seem fantastic to me, great job!
Tempted :P
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As a Warmachine & Hordes player: PLEASE don't make miniatures with arms and legs sticking out of the base too much. It makes getting models in base contact (for melee combat) a bit of a headache.
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The mortificator renders are much better than the old models with their all too cumbersome armour/helmets.
I really don't see the Mk2 thingy having to have a very dynamic posture; walking, perhaps pointing the ranged weapon forwards, would be be sufficiently menacing. I see a Cybertronic army much as a Terminator force, just with cyborgs mixed into the AIs, so not much fuss, just advancing and firing at everything that moves. I could be wrong (not much 'stealth' involved in that), but still :)
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We'll have to see what happens. If it's not quite right, then Prodos will respond to customer feedback.
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So when do we get the "plastic starter sets" stretch goal?
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When £70,000 is reached.
It ain't cheap!
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does someone got a link to some background text or -preferably- pics? I really miss the wonderful cards illustrations... :P
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Here ya go! A GREAT website for Warzone source material:
http://www.mutantpedia.com/
And of course you can find the Bonner artwork on his own website, or in his art book:
http://www.paulbonner.net/
http://www.amazon.com/Out-Forests-Art-Paul-Bonner/dp/1845767055
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Everasseur:
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Here ya go! A GREAT website for Warzone source material:
http://www.mutantpedia.com/
And of course you can find the Bonner artwork on his own website, or in his art book:
http://www.paulbonner.net/
http://www.amazon.com/Out-Forests-Art-Paul-Bonner/dp/1845767055
Thanks mate! It was a real epiphany for me to look again to those great illustration....probably I'm going to pledge (wallet crying "no! please, noooo!!"). Let's see if I can bring in some friends to share a bigger pledge...
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The Bonner Artbook is a must have! Absolutely beautiful pictures.
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Everasseur is a hugely crap name. How about something suggesting heavy armour. Katafraktasseur? Klibanasseur? Hoplite? Phalangite?
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While I'm tempted, the KS still feels a bit "meh" with what you get for 54 quid :( A box and a book. Surely great. But after being spoiled by Reapers KS (really bad comparison, I know), I still want more juice for that amount of money. I know that I'd probably save 20 quid or so on the set. But in my mind that's just like waiting for any internet shop to give some good ol' discounts.
Me want more!
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Design is finished, now just got to work out what pose works best. Feel free to post your opinion.
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How about walking, pointing downwards front right with right arm, looking in pointing direction, left leg in front, left arm down side slighty back as would be natural to keep balance while walking.
Cybertronic is silent, emotionless and cool.
Duregar
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While I'm tempted, the KS still feels a bit "meh" with what you get for 54 quid :( A box and a book. Surely great. But after being spoiled by Reapers KS (really bad comparison, I know), I still want more juice for that amount of money. I know that I'd probably save 20 quid or so on the set. But in my mind that's just like waiting for any internet shop to give some good ol' discounts.
Me want more!
Unfortunately Prodos Games cannot afford to sell the products any cheaper than they already are. This is down to a variety of costs and remember they are setting up a brand new company, all the costs are coming out of their own pockets (licensing, production, design, concepts, writing, packaging, etc) so they have to sell the stuff and still make money from it. The difference with this Kickstarter to many others is that it actually is a crowdfunding project to help make releases come faster. They could have done all this without Kickstarter, but would have lost out on releasing stuff as quickly and also without the advertisement it has led to. :)
So we are all used to saving loads and loads on KS now, but Prodos promises good products, good customer service and still a good, honest discount that will not bankrupt the project before it has begun! :)
Anywho, Prodos reached 45,000 today, which means each Starter Box will include special dice and the Limited Edition Gear Cards freebie has been unlocked!
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(Dark Legion Pledge is £109GBP)
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10 cards per model? I though this was a D20 mechanic game, not some "wyrd" card mechanic one... o_o
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Everasseur is a hugely crap name
Not fond of the model either. Doesn't even seem to me to fit with the rest of the Cybs. Well, maybe I could push it onto somebody to use as WARMACHINE 'jack conversion fodder...
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I must admit 10 cards per model seems a tad much. I would have thought for simplicities sake something like three would have been easier to game and not require tons of cards...
If some are equipment or whatnot surely it would be easier just to put it in their rules, likewise special abilities would quite easily work without the need for cards too and it would drive down your costs per figure if you didn't have to print all of them!
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I think you get several options and weapon loadouts for all heros, to add some diversity, random element and choice.
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I really like what I see so far and I am seriously considering to bump my pledge up to Dark Legion level.
8)
The card game mechanics are however not so much to my liking.
I can live with a good integration of cards as far as game play is concerned - Incursion is a good example IMO!
What is totally anathema for me is laying cards on the table! As soon as the gaming table has to be cluttered with cards I am too far away from mini gaming and too close to card gaming.
I really hope that most cards we be used to give effects, load outs etc but do not have to be laid on the table.
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I'm pretty sure that will be changing.
I hadn't seen that rule before in any of our playtests, so I think Jarek may have put it in the video to see how people feel. I am in the 'area effect' place a counter area rather than having a card on the table to break the feeling of a battlefield.
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This miniature is not quite finished, but almost there. You can build it in all 3 ways (and more). The kit will come with spare arms and 2 head options!
(http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/554189_10200174103411189_2147336760_n.jpg)
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Looks good :)
Glad to see the cavalry pants where done right.
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Unfortunately Prodos Games cannot afford to sell the products any cheaper than they already are. This is down to a variety of costs and remember they are setting up a brand new company, all the costs are coming out of their own pockets (licensing, production, design, concepts, writing, packaging, etc) so they have to sell the stuff and still make money from it. The difference with this Kickstarter to many others is that it actually is a crowdfunding project to help make releases come faster. They could have done all this without Kickstarter, but would have lost out on releasing stuff as quickly and also without the advertisement it has led to. :)
So we are all used to saving loads and loads on KS now, but Prodos promises good products, good customer service and still a good, honest discount that will not bankrupt the project before it has begun! :)
Anywho, Prodos reached 45,000 today, which means each Starter Box will include special dice and the Limited Edition Gear Cards freebie has been unlocked!
I understand that Rob :)
But still, I want more juice and stuff. I hope that the KS prospers well so I can make a quick decision when it's an hour or so left :D
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Sorry -- Angelika looks like she's out for a leisurely stroll. Bauhaus needs some work yet. (I know it's early.)
Does Prodos know the projected prices of items when released? That may help the KS if people see they're saving a bit on retail list.
Could there be one more pledge level? There's 1x Starter Box plus rules (Necromutant £54, 2x Starter Boxes plus rules (Razide £84), 3x Starter Boxes plus rules (Dark Legion £109) but no 4x Starter Boxes plus rules. It jumps to Cartel £249 which includes 4 Starter Boxes plus 2 extra squads (x4) plus rules plus special edition cards plus a t-shirt.
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A whip, huh??
Unless it's electro-charged or the likes I don't see much use for such a tool against armoured opponents?
The mk1 Eve.... armoured Hulk still looks completely out of context (if anything, it could be a DL thingy crawling out of a meteor crater). The mk2 is a credible Cybertronic product, and I still, like Duregar, would prefer it having a more relaxed, but at-the-ready, advancing stance than the ones outlined.
For names, to stay in the horse-and-musket tradition of Chasseur and Cuirassier, how about Grenadier, Carabinier, Bombardier?
Otherwise Cataphract or another historical 'heavy troop type' would seem quite appropriate.
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I'm pretty sure that will be changing.
I hadn't seen that rule before in any of our playtests, so I think Jarek may have put it in the video to see how people feel. I am in the 'area effect' place a counter area rather than having a card on the table to break the feeling of a battlefield.
Sounds way better to me! 8) 8)
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Good-o!
I think Everasseur will be staying the same, but I have sent a similar list to yours to Jarek for future reference too.
Anywho, here's the Vulkan walker! Looking cool I think!
(http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/76094_10200175321041629_1052682415_n.jpg)
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The ankles could need some reinforcement.
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Good-o!
I think Everasseur will be staying the same, but I have sent a similar list to yours to Jarek for future reference too.
Anywho, here's the Vulkan walker! Looking cool I think!
(http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/76094_10200175321041629_1052682415_n.jpg)
Hmm, Looks more and more like a Gear Krieg Valkyrie, or?
(http://www.adpublishing.de/assets/images/Walkuere_Ausf_C_1_56_1.jpg)
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Do not get me wrong - I like that look! Nice touch to use the SdKfz 250 front, gets the WWII ish German look!
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HAHA! So it does! :P
I don't know the Gear Krieg line that well, but yes indeed!
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looks great, but, kinda looks like its wearing fuzzy bath slippers.
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looks great, but, kinda looks like its wearing fuzzy bath slippers.
They are just begging for rabbit ears!
An armored pivot point on the ankle may help that look a bit
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Hm, not quite sure about the chipping. Although I certainly don't mind a gritty look nowadays, those are always easier to add than to remove.
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Just found out that the battle damage will not be part of the final design.
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I am a great fan of Warzone! These miniatures looks great! I have a question about the kickstarter thing. Last time I payed on kickstarter I could use Amazon, but this time they want me to register my credit card? Can you make it so I dont have to but can use amazon as last time?
Also I think that you are on the right track with the updated miniatures but please do not make the mistake of having the figures crouch or stand around in weird poses to much. I think that oddness of the miniatures poses and the weird new unit art in the books are what killed warzone 2ed. Keep up the good work.
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I don't think that's actually a personal choice.
I don't know the in's and out's though. I'd imagine it's to do with using the British version of Kickstarter, rather than the American version. If Prodos could have done, they would have run it through the American version (would have saved some confusion, American's aren't used to £££!).
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Yahooooh!!!
I love Warzone. I ues to play Cybertronic o_o but have them all. (Including all the plastics) They are all unpainted! I haven't got companions who play it, so I would sell if I get a (few) good offers ;) Yoy can send me a PM if you have any interest. The new ones look expencieve. They are all resin so the quality is unknown too. Still I would collect some if the price is right ;D
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We made the £50k goal today! So here's the £60k targets:
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yeah. I'm quite disappointed with the bauhaus hero choice... I'd prefer a male super warrior, but I know she's a classic :)
Great approval for the rest! How long we have to wait to see some bauhaus 3d renders? I'm eagerly awaiting for a venusian ranger upgrade! :P
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I've spoken to Jarek, and hopefully not long. He wants them to look good for you lot! :)
Anywho, here's the alternate 'Everasseur'.
(http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/856492_10200184834559461_1897023391_o.jpg)
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Hmmm... what happened to the Fury Elite Guards?
I'm not overly thrilled by the direction this is going. I was a big fan of the original MC and Warzone universe, and the imagery/concepts that initially came with the RPG, plus, for a war game I really prefer miniatures with not quite so exaggerated/dynamic poses. They are fine for dioramas and photo set-ups, but tend to look weird on the table, especially when they are big.
Sorry, it just not gives me the right gut-feeling. :?
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Just out of interest why are there three praetorian stalker a to a pack as the background always said they were wither lone creatures or paired?
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Just out of interest why are there three praetorian stalker a to a pack as the background always said they were wither lone creatures or paired?
They may be changing it in the new write-up, or they come with different weapons, so you can field different combos, or they simply want to make to buy another pack to be able to use all model :)
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Hmmm... what happened to the Fury Elite Guards?
Who says they won't be coming? The Sacred Warriors were 1st edition models and I think they are a more logical choice than the Fury Elite. The FE are supposed to be the best warriors the Brotherhood has, the best of the best...I can imagine why Prodos chooses the SW first then.
Just out of interest why are there three praetorian stalker a to a pack as the background always said they were wither lone creatures or paired?
In UWZ you could already take three. But you're right, initially they came in pairs and it was justified in the fluff. But in UWZ you could pick a third as a specialist addon. Don't know what Prodos has in mind for this third.
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Who says they won't be coming? The Sacred Warriors were 1st edition models and I think they are a more logical choice than the Fury Elite. The FE are supposed to be the best warriors the Brotherhood has, the best of the best...I can imagine why Prodos chooses the SW first then.
Yup, I'm just pretty sure, that the one on the right originally was meant to be a fury, whereas the SW were then depicted in a more plain armour (more like the Valkyries), and carrying guns for ranged combat, but, according to the fluff, never wearing helmets. I know 1st or 2nd edition had the guys above done and assigned as SW, and one of the doomtrooper cards also had a helmeted warrior, so, well.... new times, new game. At least the fluff will hopefully not change as much as the 40K Rogue Trader to 2nd Ed. (I do think that universe needed an overhaul, but the MC universe was, as far as I understand, the result of a longer process).
I'm trying not to sound overly negative, but my initial love for Warzone was sparkled by it's close proximity to the RPG, and already 2nd (boxed) Ed. - though a more streamlined and balanced system, although CC was too weak - had me scratching my head over it's route away from the well-known imagery in some places, and Ultimate lost me completely because of the reworking of squad structures that made my existing armies unusable without further purchases of now unavailable or rare miniatures (and the sheer size of the rulebook).
I do want Warzone back, but I would also like it to be Mutant Chronicles Warzone, with all the cheesy pastiche and klichés I love about it. But maybe that's just me... :)
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Well, I've been hired to write a lot of the background, and I started playing the game with Blood Berets, followed by the rpg before the ttg even came out. I share your love of the original iteration so won't be making any changes not briefed by Prodos and/or Paradox (who ultimately have the final say).
Hope that helps :)
Andy
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Well, I've been hired to write a lot of the background, and I started playing the game with Blood Berets,
The boardgame with the squatting BBs lol
I have 3 different MC boardgames, and the miniatures were of extremely varied quality; Fury of the Clansmen had Wolfbanes easily matching Warzone minis, given a decent paintjob, Siege of the Citadel had very diminutive legionnaires, and one of the other had quite decent, albeit comic-like legionnaires. The plastic necromutants, a bit on the small side, were useable, too (actually nicer than some of the metal models for Warzone in some respects).
It's nice to hear that you are an old-timer with the universe, of course. I think I'll just sit back and watch the plot unfold - you never know, maybe everything adds up to a version of the game that I'll like. :)
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Chaps,
I know this a tricky question and one probably guarded by an "NDA" but is there anything anyone can tell about game mechanics?
I love the figs, the card artwork looks great and I considering pledging well over 100.- pounds but...... rules...... anyone?
Nightmask
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Though, when Demi paints anything, he makes it look gorgeous...
You flatterer... <blush>
As for me when I read: "Warzone is being reborn" and then saw new razide I barely crapped my pants. Really.
But after a week or two when the first shock passed I thought I'd surely like to see the razide on my desk, and maybe some more deaders from new Dark Legion but whole this 3D design ain't my hobby I guess.
I can't remember when was it last time I purchased new model, I stick to the 90's and don't want to leave that dimension :)
For Tsathoggua's sake, I sound like the king of old farts lol
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You do mate, honestly, try them. I am just like you, I am filled with nostalgia. It's why I sculpt miniatures for Alternative Armies and I am not bothered they do not stand up against other modern sculpts. I do try and have a natural evolution between old and new though.
For Warzone, it needs life and energy to keep going and this is how it works best!
For the rules, they will be available Monday afternoon if everything goes as plan as a Beta Test. I am not certain if this is for Pledgers only, we will see.
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Beta rules will be available for all on the Kickstarter page! We want feedback and support (as with the mini design)
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Aaah, great to see you here :)
Can't wait to see Legion stuff available 8)
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As a big thank you to all pledgers (old or new) and to celebrate making 150% of our stretched goal. All pledgers of 'Razide' level or above will recieve this fellow for free. He is very limited edition and will only be available on Kicksarter (for the next 52 days). If you want to buy more copies please add £4 per copy to your pledge.
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I put my pledge down for Dark Legion level.
Are you serious about wanting feedback? Because Warzone is my favorite wargame and I have many and very strong opinions about it and how it have been handled by other companies before.
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The Mishima Doomtrooper announcement made me increase my pledge to Dark Legion and more...
I always loved that mini, here is my old take on the even older mini:
(http://www.adpublishing.de/assets/images/Tiger_Dragon_Leader.jpg)
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Anywho, here's the alternate 'Everasseur'.
(http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/856492_10200184834559461_1897023391_o.jpg)
That turned out much better than I had feared it would.......Good job!
Duregar
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Upped my pledge to Razide level, even though I shouldn't. ;D
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Huzzah! Tiger Dragon armour!
Hopefully we will see a unit of them at some point!
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Really cool painting, Agis ! :o
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I think I've written this email twice already then deleted it, but...
Are my old WZ figs worth nothing now?
Yes, I assume I can use them until the new sculpts come out (assuming the unit type is still in the game). But all the vets (like me) have tons of figs already and anyone new is going to buy the new sculpts.
I think I missed any window I may have had...
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Personaly, I hope the units cards will be available separatly, so we can use our v1 minis. Regarding this statement (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=50271.15) :
Q. Can I still use my old miniatures in the new game?
A. Yes indeed, but given the new designs, you won't want to!
It will be hopefully available.
If not, I'll probably stay with V1 ruleset, and complete my collection (especially for figures not available anymore) with some new sculpts.
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Off course they will sell the cards seperatly. Even if they did not you could just look it up in the rule book or online. And off course the old minis will be usable, love for the old game is what brought this team into this project to begin with.
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Are my old WZ figs worth nothing now?
Yes, I assume I can use them until the new sculpts come out (assuming the unit type is still in the game). But all the vets (like me) have tons of figs already and anyone new is going to buy the new sculpts.
What stops you from using any minis you wish for any game?
It's just toys after all - your toys :)
I also have lots of WZ stuff, haven't played for ages but also think I will get some fresh deaders to upgrade the collection.
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Off course they will sell the cards seperatly. Even if they did not you could just look it up in the rule book or online.
In this case, I agree that the cards will very probably be available separately (tho I haven't yet seen it confirmed) but there is no reason for the unit stats to be in the rulebook or online (this last with official permission). In fact it makes little sense to make both units cards and to use space for the unit stats in the rulebook.
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I think I've written this email twice already then deleted it, but...
Are my old WZ figs worth nothing now?
Yes, I assume I can use them until the new sculpts come out (assuming the unit type is still in the game). But all the vets (like me) have tons of figs already and anyone new is going to buy the new sculpts.
I think I missed any window I may have had...
Uh...since when was Warzone actually worth anything lately? Only thing I know that sells well is the Hurricane Walker. The rest isn't worth that much...
So I guess the price of your stuff actually increases when this game is released!
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In this case, I agree that the cards will very probably be available separately (tho I haven't yet seen it confirmed) but there is no reason for the unit stats to be in the rulebook or online (this last with official permission). In fact it makes little sense to make both units cards and to use space for the unit stats in the rulebook.
Warmachine sells cards and have unit stats in the books. The cards are just a practical helping tool for playing at the table without having the books everywhere. Warmachine is the suckess story of miniature gaming latly so doing the same thing as them with the cards cant hurt. Also the way Warmachine published their books reminds me on how Warzone published their game in the first edition.
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beta basic rules will be released at midnight tonight GMT UK time on Kickstarter in English in PDF format! All you will need is 12 or so minis per side, a tape measure, a D20, and some scissors
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Scissors? Are they used during gameplay? EEK! ;)
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Warmachine sells cards and have unit stats in the books
If WARMAHorde players are happy to play for "double exposure", more power to them. Strikes me as quite unneccessary however in such a case that's projected for WzR; I'm quite happy with the MERCS system where the stats don't get repeated.
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As a Warmachine & Hordes player I really love the way Privateer Press approaches the rules and stats. Each new book has rules, fluff and models for all factions (something Target Games also did back in 1st edition).
This way I can also see what toys my opponents are getting. So by buying all books, I'm up to date with all of the forces in the game. Of course you have the army books, but these aren't really necessary. Unless you're a Warmachine & Hordes fanboy (jup, guilty) and/or play competitively (jup, guilty).
The cards themselves are essential to gameplay. I can see why people don't like having loose cards on the table as you get more clutter and it distracts from the looks of the game. But to me Warmachine is not really a story-based game, but more a competitive game.
Personally I'd like to have cards on the table. I personally hate the way GW approaches it. Everything is in a book, so you keep flipping back to the book for specifics on models. Urgh. With cards you have everything for your models nearby.
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I really did love the way that first edition of Warzone had updates for all the assorted factions in each book. It made for a far more interesting read and really tied in the background. Here's hoping the new Warzone will do something similar and not the GW style army books!
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I think I've written this email twice already then deleted it, but...
Are my old WZ figs worth nothing now?
Yes, I assume I can use them until the new sculpts come out (assuming the unit type is still in the game). But all the vets (like me) have tons of figs already and anyone new is going to buy the new sculpts.
I think I missed any window I may have had...
I'm pretty sure Prodos have no plans to send the Bauhaus Magistrates around if you use your old miniatures! I think its more a case of the new ones being updated so sympathetically to the Warzone oeuvre (if you'll parden my French) that you'll just want to update them anyway :)
Andy
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I really did love the way that first edition of Warzone had updates for all the assorted factions in each book. It made for a far more interesting read and really tied in the background. Here's hoping the new Warzone will do something similar
Me too. Chronopia books are great too this way (a lot of background, new rules, new units, new minis pics, and new artwork).
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Still waiting to pledge for some bauhaus renders :? (and, at this point, for some missing renders for the other factions)
I'm not sure this is the best way to pimp this glorious campaign. In my opinion, prodos should keep posting updates. I know it's not easy, but it would be better if prodos offered some more bonus to the pledgers: people want miniatures. More miniatures!
After all, these models aren't that cheap. That's ok, especially cause they are super high quality, but people here is financing this project, not buying the models only. So, IMO, with this pledge levels, bonus are very important.
With more frequent updates and cool bonus of models, this campaing would fly faster to a bigger result IMO.
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If you follow the facebook page, you'll get all the updates. I try and post them here too, but I forget.
The Beta Rules will be available from Midnight tonight.
Also, Bauhaus designs tomorrow. Prodos Games take the weekends off from updates, just so you know too.
The designs are slow, because you are actually experience a real crowd-funding project that is actually happening in real-time. Doing what Kickstarter was actually made for... ;) Mad, I know! ;D
Anyway, here's some Necromutants!
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Not necessarily final, I think the designer was having some fun with the 'Cyberpunk' look. :) Some things might stay, others might change. I'm personally hoping for 5 'normal' heads and 3 or 4 slightly more off the wall ones, with cybernetics and punky stuff. :)
They'll be in squad boxes, not sure on numbers yet.
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I've got a noob question to make (never entered a Kickstarter before): I've done my pledge -£30 - and now how do I add the so called "add-on"? In this case, I want another Vulcan Battlesuit. I've added more £14 to my pledge but I don't see any way to choose it ;D Will I choose it when the KS ends?
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You got it! :)
Yep, you get an email at the end asking what you would like and what add ons you want. :)
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Well...maybe it is a real time crowdfunding but I still think it could be more effective. And still think that more ready designs weren't that bad. Why so little bonus, then? I do not want to piss on prodos' good fellas great job, only making some consideration. :)
PS. THe necromutant is great! :-*
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You got it! :)
Yep, you get an email at the end asking what you would like and what add ons you want. :)
Thanks! I can now stop throwing money at the monitor (I was getting very desperate, lol)
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Not sure about the necromutant - looks more like a cult Executioner (elite trooper) than a necro - though the designs on the squad pages are pure necro :-*
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This was first pic I didn't like. That "Necromutant" is too orderly. The are supposed to be disheveled and grungy in my take. But then again, I literally have all armies but Capitol already, so it really doesn't effect me. I'll be all over those Vulcan's though!
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Rules Beta up on facebook (printing away in background as i type). Only 17 sides, so such be short and sweet.
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Beta Rules :
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9SxXmqAnzM-QUlKYjhnWnFsR28/edit?usp=sharing
Beta Cards:
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9SxXmqAnzM-blNkQmJ0eGhSZG8/edit?usp=sharing
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I haven't read the rules, but at first glance: Far too many stats.
Gamers move more and more towards simple, fast-flowing games, and I fear many will be put off by a stat-line that resembles something out of EE (I know the former versions had them, too - but as I wrote earlier, I gave up on Ultimate because of complexity).
Time may prove me wrong, but I had hoped for a more simplified take on the system (it may be - I haven't had time to read i detail).
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Read most of the rules and I like them! The only thing I'm not a fan of is the damage system with the dual tables and the way it works. Too much math and too much hassle. You really need to break this down into a simpler system where you instantly see what you need to roll. Or like the old Warzone rules: Armour - Damage = Armour roll needed. You can factor all weird things into the Damage or add simple special rules.
I'm intrigued by the card deck! So a bit of Magic mixed in with Warzone. Interesting! Looking forward to seeing this on the table.
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Like the rules.
Its "now" small armies with clear rules. Easy enough to add "houserules".
Like the card deck bit like the fog of war from Force on Force.
All in all a good start.
Nightmask
(yes convinced will drop Razide level plus add-ons into the Kickstarter pool)
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I haven't read the rules, but at first glance: Far too many stats.
OK, I have read them and I am not excited too. :?
Do not get me wrong I want this baby to succeed (I have already pledged on Dark Legion level…). 8)
A lot of the rules seem to be a bit "old fashioned" and overly complex. Right now I would get the minis and play with another ruleset.
But this is the good thing here – BETA rules, we can give feedback! :D
Layout – please remove the page backdrop, only wastes ink, makes the reading more difficult and is not adding anything since it is low res…
Bases measurement – To enforce a certain base on players is IMO a bad move. Just make all measurements from the centre of the base and include a CC-range. You can also declare the facing area. Done – and everyone can base the minis in any way they want.
What is the mini facing adding to the game? The situations were a facing for small models like infantry comes into play are very rare, so just drop the rule.
Cards mechanics – Well IMO too complex. Basically a game within a game. You are IMO opening a box of Pandora here. There are some many open ends too cover with future books/ FAQs…
I also fear that the gaming table is sooner or later cluttered with cards that are distracting from the minis!
Some questions:
How are resource cards looking? You have examples of Strategy, Gear and Tactical Cards, but no Res. Card. The only Res. Card I found are in the Card file, is this the only one? Do they all look alike?
Is flipping like tapping in MtG?
What are the symbols on the cards for?
Is Chess + World = Strategy
Chess = Tactical
Spanner = Gear? – Can’t be since the only Resource card has the same symbol!
What are the numbers on the cards for? Are this the number of res. points I have to pay to play the card?
How are Morale tests rounded? Up/ Down?
Do I get it right, that a player can activate all of his units in the battle Section? Or is the activation alternating between players?
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Hi there,
I'll do my best to answer those questions, some really good feedback though Agis. I'll pass it on.
Resource cards are blank picture cards, these will be factories or refineries, but they all do the same thing. There is no distinction between types of resource cards. I'd imagine (unconfirmed) there will probably be different illustrations for various factions, there's nothing stopping you having Dark Legion Resources in a Bauhaus army. They all do the same thing, but if you are playing themed, you would probably want the Bauhaus equivalent.
Flipping of cards is a way to make sure everyone knows you are spending a resource card, it is essentially like tapping, but Prodos Games are avoiding the terminology. Literally turn the card face down or upside-down to say it has been spent.
Symbols on the Cards help pick these out. The spanner shouldn't be on the resource card AFAIK. You got them right again, AFAIK.
Everything works on basic maths principle, so I would imagine any (x).5 results for morale are rolled up (i.e. 6.5 = 7). This will be confirmed.
Activation is ALTERNATING. It is a you go, I go principle. I activate an entire Squad, one model at a time, then you do that with yours until all the units have been used.
Again, cheers for the honest, but constructive feedback.
I'm pleased with the positivity that is chiming through. Thanks for your faith!
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Thanks for the answers, I posted a similar mail on Dakka and Prodos also chimed in.
I will try to find the time to actually play some games with this rules, only then I can give any real feedback.
And of course as with all things a lot is just personal tatse.
For example, I really DISLIKE the round lipped 3cm bases of Warmachine, so seeing these bases on Warzone minis is not to my liking. Same goes for cards and markers on the table. etc etc.
But hopefully the majority will like the new rules and Warzone gets really resurrected.
And I can always play with the new minis using my own system…
;) ;)
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No problem, it's useful feedback! Not so angry like some other folks! ;D
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I glanced through them. Disclaimer: I won't be buying/playing it...no interest in this style game. To me it just looks like a slightly different Warhammer-esque game. I suppose it's not that easy to create a wildly different gaming system for what we do.
I agree there are a ton of stats for what amounts to small companies of infantry/machines fighting. The only thing that struck me as 100% "do not like" was the inverted use of the D20. While I know someone could easily get used to it, I've never EVER liked having to roll under, than over. It bugs me when a bonus becomes "-2 to your result". Just seems weird. In line with almost every other game in existence, I think 10+, 12+ etc. would have been a better choice. It seems that the choice was almost arbitrary just to try to be different. Not a fan.
Looks solid enough as a game. To a casual gamer though, I doubt they'll see much difference between this and Warhammer/Infinity etc. I didn't really follow the original Warzone, so I'm not sure what different people this would attract. Good luck either way.
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I glanced through them. Disclaimer: I won't be buying/playing it...no interest in this style game. To me it just looks like a slightly different Warhammer-esque game. I suppose it's not that easy to create a wildly different gaming system for what we do.
I agree there are a ton of stats for what amounts to small companies of infantry/machines fighting. The only thing that struck me as 100% "do not like" was the inverted use of the D20. While I know someone could easily get used to it, I've never EVER liked having to roll under, than over. It bugs me when a bonus becomes "-2 to your result". Just seems weird. In line with almost every other game in existence, I think 10+, 12+ etc. would have been a better choice. It seems that the choice was almost arbitrary just to try to be different. Not a fan.
Looks solid enough as a game. To a casual gamer though, I doubt they'll see much difference between this and Warhammer/Infinity etc. I didn't really follow the original Warzone, so I'm not sure what different people this would attract. Good luck either way.
1 thing I can say is that this is significantly different to 40k, and to be fair that that makes it so, namely the cards, is one of the things that a lot of the older version fans are less keen on. Also this is a skirmish game, each mini is important, not a battle game
Thanks for the comments though! Really appreciate it!
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Alt-activation + model-by-model activation using action points produces a significantly different result from "warhammeresque" even without the card play.
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Alt-activation + model-by-model activation using action points produces a significantly different result from "warhammeresque" even without the card play.
Absolutely, if anything this Warzone version is miles apart from 40K!
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Oh god, lip bases are the worst kind of bases!
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Why is that ???
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Why is that ???
It just looks silly?
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I like them actually, used to play lots of Warmachine.
But maybe I just got used to the lids...
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I like them actually, used to play lots of Warmachine.
But maybe I just got used to the lids...
I do play warmachine as well. But I always find them fiddly and a bit difficult to pick up and such. It might be that I'm getting old and hate change :)
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Mebbe I'm showing my age again, but I lose patience with convoluted combat resolution mechanics. Re-inventing the wheel for the sake of being 'different' is tedious, and my interest level plummets when I see a lot of cards/chits/charts. I'm all for streamlining mechanics at every opportunity.
While I prefer standard slotta bases, the lipped bases are a quibble, IMO. So long as every model is based consistently on the table.
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Mebbe I'm showing my age again, but I lose patience with convoluted combat resolution mechanics. Re-inventing the wheel for the sake of being 'different' is tedious, and my interest level plummets when I see a lot of cards/chits/charts. I'm all for streamlining mechanics at every opportunity.
I 100% agree with you. I'm feeling old and crotchety about this.
UWZ took the mechanics to the farthest point I want to go. While the new rules may be fine in their own right, I'm still leaning towards UWZ but fleshing out my armies with some of the new, incredibly nice figures.
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I do play warmachine as well. But I always find them fiddly and a bit difficult to pick up and such. It might be that I'm getting old and hate change :)
Oh good, I am not alone.
I am planning to use 30mm mdf bases, right size, but NOT the "silly" lipped look.
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1st render of the Mishima Doomtrooper:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/530897_10152272146187195_2077904005_n.jpg)
I like him!!!
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And let me just say, it's not really possible to please everyone with every sculpt. Tastes differ. I like the most of what I've seen, but don't like others. The rules aren't a concern for me really.
And none of that changes the fact I have at least a Razide level support for their Kickstarter. I want this to succeed with actual product on the market again and supported by a company who cares.
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Good to hear that mate, totally true. Some people don't seem to understand quite how much this all costs... It's being done with loads of care!
Of course, if people want to use the miniatures for older versions etc, who's going to stop you?
30mm bases... I'm not that fussed really. You can get 30mm sized traditional slottas too.
The idea of this release is to keep everyone happy, oldies, newbies, people that have expressedn interest in the past and of course, the owners have to be happy too! :)
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Putting my grump aside as well: even if the rules prove too fiddly for me, I'll gladly buy figs. Happy to support a worthy cause. And I'm really digging the Cybertronic.
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I hope there is no need to be grumpy soon! But I, as a fellow backer, thankyou for your support! :)
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Putting my grump aside as well: even if the rules prove too fiddly for me, I'll gladly buy figs.
Same here.
Waiting to see pretorian stalkers... 8)
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Well I'm painting one of the Zombie Legionnaires at the moment...
There should be some (properly) painted miniatures up on the site soon I hope!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYZ8rqdq70s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYZ8rqdq70s)
Here's a video I made of gameplay. We slip up here and there, but it is the first time we played the Beta Rules, so it comes with warts and all! :)
Strictly unofficialy, this one I might add!
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Hi!
Liking the necromutants but not too sure about the Mohawk or faceplates! The Mishima chap is looking good though as long as he doesn't end up with short sleeves!
I will need to take a peek at the rules but hoping they aren't too complex!
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Not at all mate, I think you'll like them. If you could get your head around Leviathan, you'll have no issues. :)
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I am of very mixed feelings about this campaign. On one hand, I am really happy to see Warzone being brought back in an intelligent and informed manner. I wish nothing but success to those involved and long life to the Mutant Chronicles universe!
On the other hand, I spent years tracking down various models (usually hard to find and OOP) to bulk up my factions. I have huge numbers of figures from both the first and second editions for Imperial, Bauhaus, Capitol, Brotherhood, and the Dark Legion (with a little Cybertronic thrown in), and most of them are painted. They are some my favorite figures in my collection, and I would not dream of selling them off or replacing them. In fact, I proxy them into other games all the time just for more excuses to use them.
So while I do really like many of the sculpts I am seeing, I have not seen anything that would make me feel different about my collection. At some point, I would not mind picking up some of those very awesome Cybertronic infantry sculpts. Other than that, I realize I am not really the target market for this, and that is okay. I think I will sit back and enjoy the rest of you enjoying the rebirth of one of my favorite gaming universes!! :D :D :D :D
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On another note, I read through the new rules. While I am sure a play through would make a difference, but I was not terribly excited by the rules for using the cards. It could be an interesting meta-game element (which I absolutely do not mind), but I am afraid I did not see a "wow" element that would make newcomers want to play this system. I am looking forward to watching the video, as I am hoping that will change my mind about the cards. Then again, I have not played a Mutant Chronicles-themed game with an official Warzone ruleset for years. I mostly use my own homebrew.
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Hi!
Just watched the video of the gameplay which gave a decent idea of how it plays but I would dearly love to see some actual painted figures! I suspect that that will be the deciding factor for many who are thinking of backing the kickstarter!
At present its all a tad nebulous!
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I wonder if this will destroy 40k like it did the first time...I hope so, I'm sick of it.
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I am in it just for the miniatures. I have pledged for a rule-book too... but that will be reading material and for information.
There are some cracking renders coming through for Warzone and from what I have seen, they have transferred well to miniature form.
I am excited to see a more sensible approach to the miniatures but can really understand that people who have collected previous versions of Warzone miniatures will be in a bit of a quandary.
Things are progressing nicely :)
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I wonder if this will destroy 40k like it did the first time...I hope so, I'm sick of it.
Lol, however you may feel, that is not the aim at all! :)
Prodos Games is a dignified company that respects it's peers as equals.
However, if it happens to be successful, I'm sure the guys will not complain!!!
Painted figs coming soon as soon as I get my missus to take a photo or two (which can be bloody hard work, but it's free!).
Cheers
Rob
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If you guys need help getting paint on the miniatures, a lot of us are willing to help out I think ;).
Now I got my pulp project finished...it's time to paint a Razide (and necromutants, and legionaries, and...)
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Make sure the paint jobs are of highest quality. I have seen a few games receive bad reviews and impressions because the figures had amateurish paint jobs.
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finally we have a better view of the Bauhaus fellas:
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/417/173/670939de8e8d4a803b530dc6608d7fb6_large.png?1362216601)
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/417/174/b3705e26e915cc640f1420cd090cb1d0_large.png?1362216757)
Pretty like them. Probably they will be my choice :)
Still think that this campaign could raise higher amount if only they prepared more designs before startink the KS. I think a lot of people are holding over to see something more. :( BTW, that's enough hindsight. So, let's see what's next :)
I am really waiting to see Tatsumoto finished! :P
A question aside: there will be rules to play a Doomtrooper force?
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Hmm... Not too keen on the running pose legs or the shoulder pads...
The rest however is looking good. Would it be possible to produce the shoulder pads as separate pieces so folks can choose how to fasten them on?
Also is the Vulcan going to have separate cockpit options so we can have an open tipped one?
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Yup, the Vulkan will have different options.
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Yup, the Vulkan will have different options.
I am not sure which one I will choose... but I am looking forward to having the chance to chop and change :)
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the bauhaus troopers are nice, especially with the full backpack and all. One of my favorites for now (with brotherhood).
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(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/projects/457746/posts/418062/image-219211-full.jpg?1362393326)
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It's a bit of a shame that he's in the same pose as the old model and most of the other old doomtrooper models.
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I agree, but it is what the old fans wanted. They wanted a near enough exact replica to the old artwork, so that's what they got.
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It's a bit of a shame that he's in the same pose as the old model and most of the other old doomtrooper models.
I do not agree. Actually I think it's a great pose after all, so IMO no matter if it is the same of the old fig (wich I do not know).
After all, it's the pose depicted in that great artwork...and I have a soft spot for dynamic combat pose :)
I really hope to see some other doomtrooper special characters.
I'd like to create a doomtroopers force and I'm just wondering: what's the composition of a doomtroopers force? I mean, is there a hero leading various warriors from various cartels vs the Dark Legion? (I'm searching an excuse for creating a force composed by my favourite models :) )
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Nothing wrong with the pose as such, just a bit daft when you have several models in that exact same pose. Which is no problem for who doesn't have the old ones.
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Gotcha! Yeah, when there are more Mishima, the poses won't be repeated in this one!
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Nothing wrong with the pose as such, just a bit daft when you have several models in that exact same pose. Which is no problem for who doesn't have the old ones.
Ah, my fault :) I didn't realize this matter.
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Check out the new website: http://warzonegame.com/ (http://warzonegame.com/)
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(http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g368/Trodnav/Hussar_zps0f1699fd.jpg)
(http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g368/Trodnav/Venussianranger_zpsa5c38edd.png)
Rules update:
http://warzonegame.com/info/rules.html
I'm really liking where Prodos is going with Bauhaus. The adjustments are spot on!
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I'd like to create a doomtroopers force and I'm just wondering: what's the composition of a doomtroopers force?
The Doomtroopers were made up of two-man autonomous teams, 1 ranged combat specialist and 1 close combat specialist, both from the same MegaCorp. A force would consist of 1+ teams, most likely from different MegaCorps. I have never seen anything on print about the command structure. I guess they could be coordinated by a high level Cartel Agent or such...
EDIT:
AND, the fluff for the Siege of the Citadel boardgame (Doomtroopers infiltrating a Dark Citadel) suggests, that teams from different MegaCorps would more or less covertly work against each other (barring doors to prevent others from advancing/retreating, etc.) in a very competitive, if not outright hostile way.
I think a great game could had with a DL player and other players each controlling a DT team and competing for various objectives (in fact, that was the scope of SotC, but it would be cool to transfer the concept to the taletop.
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The Doomtroopers were made up of two-man autonomous teams, 1 ranged combat specialist and 1 close combat specialist, both from the same MegaCorp. A force would consist of 1+ teams, most likely from different MegaCorps. I have never seen anything on print about the command structure. I guess they could be coordinated by a high level Cartel Agent or such...
EDIT:
AND, the fluff for the Siege of the Citadel boardgame (Doomtroopers infiltrating a Dark Citadel) suggests, that teams from different MegaCorps would more or less covertly work against each other (barring doors to prevent others from advancing/retreating, etc.) in a very competitive, if not outright hostile way.
I think a great game could had with a DL player and other players each controlling a DT team and competing for various objectives (in fact, that was the scope of SotC, but it would be cool to transfer the concept to the taletop.
Many thanks mate! :)
I agree: this concept on a tabletop would be really cool!
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Thanks to our friends, Small Impact Games for designing this iconic model for us. Check out their Kickstarter project. If you pledge with us and them you will get a Limited Edition full-colour print of the Grizzly for free.
Approximate dimensions: 4" wide x 7" long
Dispatched in August 2013
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/m3ch/m3ch
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/513277403/mutant-chronicles-warzone-resurrection?ref=live
(http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/9642/grizzlyaddon.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/850/grizzlyaddon.jpg/)
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Game speaking, I hope we'll see more vehicules/tanks in the new Warzone. It was something missing in first edition, since I played warzone in skirmish format but also in "40k-ish" format too.
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I hope we see smaller vechiles like the wolfclaw jungle tank, the Mishima Mek, Gev 12 Cobra, the Vinciano Traffux cardinal and basic troop transports and stuff like that before you break out that mega tank! That thing got to fill a quarter of the table and I do not see how troops are going to put a dent in it.
Also I strongly suggest you follow your own vision for what the new warzone figures will look like. You are doing great with the new figures so far and there is no point in starting making figures with giant shoulderpads just because some people have the nostalgia goggles on. It is going to have to sell now today.
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It's actually going to be more along the lines of large-MBT sized (4" X 7") rather than being a big Baneblade monster. This puts it more in scale with the Grizzly you see in Bonner's cover art for the Bauhaus sourcebook in the RPG. Not even the Armorcast (or was it Forge World?) mini did the thing's size justice based on the description in the RPG. So hopefully it is getting the minor downgrade to a really big MBT rather than a land-cruiser.
It should be the length and width of a Land Raider but it looks to be quite a bit taller counting the turret and the observation tower.
But it wont be quite as massive and imposing as the original mini which was never as large and imposing as the fluff for the tank would have you think.
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A great review of the Razide and Undead Legionnaires by Templarcrusade01: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lE31NtzI_28
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That Grizzly is a bit pricey for a 4"x7" sized vehicle in my mind.
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Just got the Hussars update. You've nailed them. VERY nice.
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/projects/457746/posts/421388/image-220366-full.jpg?1362599562)
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/projects/457746/posts/421388/image-220367-full.jpg?1362599568)
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Lol, however you may feel, that is not the aim at all! :)
Prodos Games is a dignified company that respects it's peers as equals.
Considering the sneaky backhanded insulting manner that GW/citadel destroyed warzone the first time round, why respect them?
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GW/citadel destroyed warzone the first time round
They did?
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They did?
No, I don't think so (weird Swedish bankruptcy laws did as I recall). GW certainly celebrated the death of their only real competition of the time though.
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AFAIK target games destroyed themselves by taking over all distribution to shops, screwing over distributors. Logically, these were quite angry and dumped their warzone and chronopia for low prices at shops. Shops had such a massive stock, they didn't need resupplies (and some weren't happy at all with taget games' decision). TG quickly fell afterwards.
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As I recall, I've been told the main company folded, taking a reasonably healthy game design department along for the ride to darkness... Basically, what Durandal said I suppose.
All the same, "destroying in a sneaky, backhanded, insulting manner" certainly could include jubilation over the downfall of a competitor and I'm willing buy into GW doing just that tho I can't recall actually personally seeing anything to that effect. But it also implies a whole lot more.
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better bauhaus :-*
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/427/172/23cbd316b4a3df79a8a757bf8652f571_large.png?1362599284)
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Hmmmm I was planning on pledging for Bauhaus but now....
Rifles are to big/clumsy, shoulderpads a bit too large.
I know its sci-fi but still.... hopefully they'll adjust a few things.
Nightmask
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Hi
I like the new look of Hussars, it's great there are different head options too.
Now, request to Prodos guys or Rob :
Is there any chance for any comparison shoots with old WZ minis guys ?
Cheers T
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Those will be coming soon. Just waiting on getting minis back from painters.
Don't worry though, they will not be like the Dystopian Legions models, which are freakishly tall compared to the rest of the market. If someone buys warzone models to use in another game, that is absoloutely fine!
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Hmmmm I was planning on pledging for Bauhaus but now....
Rifles are to big/clumsy, shoulderpads a bit too large.
I know its sci-fi but still.... hopefully they'll adjust a few things.
Nightmask
agreed, guns look way to wide/blocky/square, rest looks ok.
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Here and on FB there are a lot of complaints about various aspects of these new renders. Someone says that weapons are too big (with the previous design, people said the weapons were too small), someone says that the shoulderpad are too oldschool/big (the previous were to little/not in the right position). Same discussion about the grizzly: it's not enough big/it's too big or it's too "classic"/it's not exactly the one depicted by Bonner. It's ok to discuss, but there are two main style option: 1) old school/bonner art
2) a brand new line only "inspired" by the old minis/concept.
The fact is that Prodos is keeping the foot in both camps. IMO, it is the best and most difficult position :)
Personally, I think that the new hussars are better than previous. More "old school" without being too much :) Weapons aren't that big. After all, big weapons are always cool 8)
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(http://imageshack.us/a/img560/8595/pose13.jpg)
Some tweaked poses.
(http://imageshack.us/a/img839/6761/poses233.jpg)
And just the resized weapons (they are still tweaking the poses on the lower ones, the top renders are a teaser of poses).
Oh, and shoulder pads are confirmed as separate pieces.
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I never realy felt it for Bauhaus, more a Mishima and Dark Legion/Cult man - but Prodos, you have won me over, it will definately be one of the forces collected.
Whilst i may not be overly keen on your rules (no issue - i have Versions 1,2 and 3 - and will add yours to the collection), the figures and pushing a great background back into the limelight i can only thank you for.
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I looooove the hussars. Absoloute perfection in my eyes!
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Very nice Minis so far. Its great that warzone gets resurrected by you guys. It was my first tabletop game back in the day and i played it for a good 8 years in every edition. Looking forward to see some shots of the real modells.
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guns look way to wide/blocky/square
Nah, their hands are just too small for the guns :P
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Very nice Minis so far. Its great that warzone gets resurrected by you guys. It was my first tabletop game back in the day and i played it for a good 8 years in every edition. Looking forward to see some shots of the real modells.
I know I keep saying it, but not long now!
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a new stretch goal was achieved (65K) with a little price reducing for add on stuff. Now let's hope to break the 70K: this means plastic instead of resin for troops and it's a very important result. Personally I have no doubt, plastic is absolutely better. Now the Capitol set (80K) seems not so far! :P
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Maybe a new goal should be added : Dark Eden :-*
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Warzone Resurrection Undead Legionnaire
(http://www.adpublishing.de/Warzone_Undead_Legionnaire_1.jpg)
I am really excited about the project, and being the old fan that I am I already pledged at Razide level!
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/513277403/mutant-chronicles-warzone-resurrection (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/513277403/mutant-chronicles-warzone-resurrection)
Prodos Games was kind enough to send me 5 Undead Legionnaires. Here is what you get:
(http://www.adpublishing.de/Warzone_Undead_Legionnaires_Content.jpg)
Crisp cast, high level resin parts. Enough to build 5 Legionnaires in many different poses. The material seems to be sturdy and is very light. Once assembled they look like this:
(http://www.adpublishing.de/assets/images/Warzone_Undead_LegionnairesAssembled.jpg)
I needed just a little bit of greenstuff to smooth the shoulder parts. All the rest was more or less a perfect fit.
And the very 1st Warzone Resurrection Dark Legion mini painted. I used the 30 mm round lipped base Prodos asked me to use, IMO the base is a bit too big for the mini. While painting the mini I realised how detailed and realistic (OK, as much as a far future undead soldier can be) proportioned the mini is. The head and hands are really small when compared to other minis. The comparison shot below makes it evident.
(http://www.adpublishing.de/assets/images/Warzone_Undead_Legionnaire_Size.jpg)
From left to right: 1st Ed Warzone Mishima Samurai, current Undead Legionnaire prototype, Space Marine and Infinity trooper.
All in all I am very exited about the new range, I am very happy that I already pledged on this project. The bases are not really my thing and the mini is a bit on the small 28 mm side, maybe a slight upscaling before going into final production is recommended. Warzone as good as it gets!
http://www.adpublishing.de/html/warzone.html (http://www.adpublishing.de/html/warzone.html)
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a new stretch goal was achieved (65K) with a little price reducing for add on stuff. Now let's hope to break the 70K: this means plastic instead of resin for troops and it's a very important result. Personally I have no doubt, plastic is absolutely better. Now the Capitol set (80K) seems not so far! :P
I haven't pledged... Yet, but personally I would rather have resin over plastics. What advantage will the plastic troops have over the resin? Plastic is cheaper once the mold has been made so will that mean more minis?
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They will have more parts in the kit. More optional extra bits and bobs.
Same level of detail.
If you have dealt with Malifaux plastics, then you will know what I am talking about.
As for that being the first Warzone Resurrection mini fully painted, I think I beat you to that! ;D
Anyway, here is the Blessed Vestal Laura.
She will come with this head option, but also a helmeted one.
(http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s480x480/644258_110444972478926_1810512298_n.jpg)
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As for that being the first Warzone Resurrection mini fully painted, I think I beat you to that! ;D
Did not know that there was a competition...
;) ;)
Where can we see yours?
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lol, I didn't think we were allowed to post pics yet. I'll wait for the word from Michal, Mark and Jarek. ;)
I forgot to say you've done a lovely job though! Looks very cool. :)
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Uuups? I was under the Impression the sooner the better since many people asked for painted mini pics and comparison shots!
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I quite agree, I am sure it is fine. I think they are waiting on some pics from a studio.
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Lovely paint job but I do think it could do with being scaled up or bulked out a little as the realistic cg sculpt doesn't always look right with scale figures.
It's the same thing that happened with Spartan Games when they first printed their 28mm scale figures.
All the best!
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(http://www.adpublishing.de/assets/images/Warzone_Undead_Legionnaire_and_Vince.jpg)
Another comparison: current Undead Legionnaire prototype and old (slightly converted) WZ Cybertronic Hero Vince Diamond
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lol lol lol
they look like they are looking at each other and the thought going through their heads is quite clear.
LOL, that was exactly the idea! :D
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Agis, did you rebbuild the legs on VD? I remember the weird fluff about him havin his legs surgically shortened (not mentioning WHY(??)) which gave him a peculiar stunty look.
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Agis, did you rebbuild the legs on VD? I remember the weird fluff about him havin his legs surgically shortened (not mentioning WHY(??)) which gave him a peculiar stunty look.
Yup, I used the mini (with horns) as a Shadowrun Troll.
The legs are enlonged to make him look more "natural". Works for me. 8)
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Yup, I used the mini (with horns) as a Shadowrun Troll.
Agis, what did you mean by this?
Grimm
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While painting the mini I realised how detailed and realistic (OK, as much as a far future undead soldier can be) proportioned the mini is. The head and hands are really small when compared to other minis. The comparison shot below makes it evident.
(http://www.adpublishing.de/assets/images/Warzone_Undead_Legionnaire_Size.jpg)
From left to right: 1st Ed Warzone Mishima Samurai, current Undead Legionnaire prototype, Space Marine and Infinity trooper.
They are indeed surprisingly petite, especially considering that as I recall the new minis are announced to be "above 28mm" scale. But of course these are prototypes.
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nice work Agis! 8)
Both for painting and sharing those comparison pics. Much appreciated.
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I like them a lot at that scale, never was a fan of the clunky heroic style of the old Minis.
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@Rob,
Any idea if the weapons will be affixed to the arms or if they are seperate pieces?
Hopefully seperate..
Nightmask
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this scale is too small for my personal taste. I'd prefer the new figs more compatible with the old ones...And with other brands too.
(edit : frenglish fixes)
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Its an undead legionare it is both hunched over and insanely thin. I am sure the human soldiers will be bigger. Let us instead focus on the amazing level of detail and nice style the mini is done in.
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Its an undead legionare it is both hunched over and insanely thin. I am sure the human soldiers will be bigger. Let us instead focus on the amazing level of detail and nice style the mini is done in.
ditto. Also the big base used gives the impression of a very small mini IMO. With a common GWish 25mm round base it would be better. Anyway, it is definetly more the thin&"realistic" scale of infinity than the heroic scale of 40k.
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ditto. Also the big base used gives the impression of a very small mini IMO. With a common GWish 25mm round base it would be better. Anyway, it is definetly more the thin&"realistic" scale of infinity than the heroic scale of 40k.
I am 100% with you. In fact I wanted to base the mini on a smaller bases but Prodos insisted on the "Warmachine" base. (Absoluteyl OK with me, since they gave me the minis for free)
I am going to rebase asap once I have photographed all 5 minis with the ugly bases... ;)
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(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/projects/457746/posts/425438/image-222483-full.jpg)
And 70K reached, so plastic troopers!
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My one was a scrap model, so cannot be photographed. Mine had seperate weapons, same as Agis'. I would assume the weapons will be seperate.
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Thanks Rob!
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I am 100% with you. In fact I wanted to base the mini on a smaller bases but Prodos insisted on the "Warmachine" base. (Absoluteyl OK with me, since they gave me the minis for free)
I am going to rebase asap once I have photographed all 5 minis with the ugly bases... ;)
Of course Agis :) I know your great collection, but it was easy to get only lookin at the comparison pic ;)
something like "find the wrong base" :D
Anyway, I'm really glad of the 70K goal: plastic is the way, definetly.
I was more doubtful about this campaign modus operandi, but more I see the more I like and the backers are constantly growing. So it seems I was wrong and the whole operation is going quite good :)
Machinators are really cool! I was oriented on bauhaus and brotherhood, but now I'm seriously thinkin to the big C techno fellas. The immortal is super cool too!
Let's wait for the capitol, though. Hope to see great stuff with them! :P
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Yep, I'm really keeping my fingers crossed to see Capitol unlocked. I mean, flying torpedo sharks! What's not to like! :D
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Really looking forward to see the Capitol as well :)
Except for the "over the top" dynamic poses that has been shown, I really like where this project is going as far as the miniatures are concerned.
I like the size as well, as long as they dont get any smaller, although I see the problem of trying to combine them with the old models.
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I like the size as well, as long as they dont get any smaller, although I see the problem of trying to combine them with the old models
The size would be OK with me as well but I do suspect the small size of the Undeads may be just a technical glitch AKA shrinkage and will be amended in the actual production models. That aside, I hope the realistic proportions won't get changed even tho it doesn't usually fit with the old models either.
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Loved Warzone back in the day, still have loads of badly painted minis somewere. If I had the money I would back the kickstarter for sure. Cant wait to see new versions of the old chars like Valerie Duval, Mitch Hunter, Max Steiner etc :)
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...next one finished:
(http://www.adpublishing.de/assets/images/Warzone_Undead_Legionnaire_2.jpg)
and together with the 1st Legionnaire:
(http://www.adpublishing.de/assets/images/Warzone_Undead_Legionnaire_1n_2.jpg)
I am liking these guys more and more!
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Looks pretty good, but I agree on the base issue, they would look better on GW bases.
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Photos of new Cybertronic Eradicator walker are now posted on the WZ facebook page. I'm not thrilled by the egg-shaped body. Like the original, too cartoony.
Make it mean!
https://www.facebook.com/WarzoneResurrection
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I love him, would also be a good stand in for Falling Skies robots.
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Nice paintjobs on those legionnaires, I especially like the one with the "Eddie" expression ;)
Dur
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Honestly, I think that new eradicator looks just right - they kept what was good, e.g. the stylised shark's head and the shoulder launchers, and improved what was iffy, i.e. the legs.
Doesn't make deciding on a faction any easier, though. lol
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksceqZ9_YyY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksceqZ9_YyY)
My video on the Everasseur... :)
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Does anybody know if the rules will be skirmish based only or will there be something for army compisitions as well?
Nightmask
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It's kind of mass battle skirmish.
You activate a squad, then activate each miniature in the squad, taking 2 actions with each.
Once you have activated all the models in one squad, play then moves onto your opponent who does the same. This continues until all miniatures have been activated.
I'd like to see mass battle rules come later, but we will see.
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I like the skirmish idea, card driven.
But I would like to see options for mass battles (old skool :) )
Nightmask
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I think the old versions were skirmish too... certainly 2nd edition.
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I think the old versions were skirmish too... certainly 2nd edition.
Both were skirmish first and foremost, but Second Edition was so nicely streamlined that we regularly played with 100+ figures a side and didn't run into much trouble. We were younger and more energetic then. Can't say I'm too interested in the rules as they stand and will probably dig out 2ed or try to track down a 1ed rulebook, but the minis alone will be worth it.
BTW, Rob, your video finally clicked what made me skeptical about that Everasseur sculpt - it's awfully close to the GW Chaos Hellbrute in that pose and with the semi-organic detail, and I would prefer a cleaner style, but with similar dynamics (I really disliked the stiffness of most of the Cybertronic stuff). It's still a nice figure, though.
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(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/projects/457746/posts/428228/image-224274-full.jpg)
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Warzone V1 worked great in 500 or 750 points (skirmish or "big" skirmish). On bigger formats (1200, 1500) the game was slowed down quite dramatically. But I was younger and sometimes we played entire week ends a battle with no problem lol Now it's not possible anymore...A game should be completed in a couple of hours max.
The rangers and eradicator look really cool. Will we see mounted troops too ? What about dark eden ? Is there any long time project for this range ?
What about a french version of the rulebook also ? (I already asked twice...No answer lol )
thanks
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It's a long term project, so there is lot's that is possible. I'm pretty sure the guys want to cover everything and more.
As for a French rulebook, I couldn't say at this stage, but I know the guys have been looking into it.
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Those Venusian rangers looks amazing! I been dreaming of this day since the day Warzone came out in the 90'ties.
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Very nice indeed. The whole project gets better and better. I guess i have to pledge as well, just need to find a good explanation for all the big boxes i'm going to recieve in the mail this year lol.
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the venusian rangers sneaky is quite promising! :-*
I'm curious to see what are they going to do...I'd personally like the cloack in separate bits. We'll see.
I was wondering....Am I the only one thinking that we'll need decals? Being a Bauhaus supporter, I think some symbol (and numbers) decals would be perfect on the troopers shouldpad and on the vulcan in particular! Being not a too expensive thing to produce, a sheet of decals should be included free in each troopers box...Maybe it could be a smaller stretch goal to achieve...
On another side, even if I really appreciated the 75k stretch goal items, I think they are quite expensive. And, after all, they could be a giveaway instead of an add-on :/
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Me too - I alreayd proposed decals on the WZ forum!!! :D
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Transfers are being looked into. :)
The Everassur is painted!
(http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/2333/everassurks.jpg)
*Not by me, I will add!
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Great paintjob not my figure though.
Nightmask
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Great paintjob not my figure though.
Exactly my thought too...
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Exactly my thought too...
+1
but...what a paintjob! Really awesome painting. On CMON there are more shots...this stuff is amazing.
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I love it, the weathering, the industrial stylings. It's like Peter Bergting's Cybertronic style come to life. Tarnished and full of industrial squalor. I always liked the black and white Cybertronic art and was always sad that it rarely got used as inspiration instead of Bonner's chromed up look. There is definitely room for both in Cybertronic. The Everasseur makes me happy.
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I *believe* it was Worthy Painting. Not certain on that...
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Day-um. That is nice brushwork. "Worthy" is right.
Yet another example of why I don't enter painting contests.
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Transfers are being looked into. :)
Fighting Pirahna do some nice decals
http://www.fightingpirannhagraphics.com/
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Sorry if I've missed this bit of info... the thread is a bit long at this point.
I caught that these are to be made in 'high quality plastic'... but what does that mean? Is this the lovely hard stuff that GW minis are made from? Welds together with plastic model glue?
Or is some other sort of substance.
The RL picks I've seen look more like that stuff WarmaHordes is using... which isn't my ideal.
Thanks for any info.
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I *believe* it was Worthy Painting. Not certain on that...
It is actually a very talented CMON frequenter called Artur. Not Worthy Painting
There is no photoshop trickery
Here is his CMOM link if you want to see more of his amazing (but not WZR) work
http://www.coolminiornot.com/327977?browseid=4669129
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Sorry if I've missed this bit of info... the thread is a bit long at this point.
I caught that these are to be made in 'high quality plastic'... but what does that mean? Is this the lovely hard stuff that GW minis are made from? Welds together with plastic model glue?
Or is some other sort of substance.
The RL picks I've seen look more like that stuff WarmaHordes is using... which isn't my ideal.
Thanks for any info.
Hi there, I'm not sure any resin sticks together with plastic glue. Our resin models are made with a similar resin to Krmlech or max mini (not GW fine cast). Our plastic minis will be made with styrene (like GW), which can be glued with polycement/plastic glue
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Our plastic minis will be made with styrene (like GW), which can be glued with polycement/plastic glue
Wow! Ok...
I'm not sure why but up until today (first time I've looked at this thread) I'd assumed all the figures were to be resin of some sort... which would kill my interest... but good hard styrene will certainly have me on board.
Thanks!
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Finished the 5 Undead Legionairres:
(http://www.adpublishing.de/assets/images/Warzone_Undead_Legionnaire_squad_scenic.jpg)
(Blurry old Mishima Hatamoto in the foreground)
and with less distracting backdrop:
(http://www.adpublishing.de/assets/images/Warzone_Undead_Legionnaire_squad.jpg)
more: http://www.adpublishing.de/html/warzone.html (http://www.adpublishing.de/html/warzone.html)
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(http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/2333/everassurks.jpg)
Fantastic paintjob...but why in green? I really think Cybertronic blue would have been so much better. That way it made it more easier to see it fitting in with the rest. Now it's so extremely different in colors from all the previous Cybertronic painjobs it makes it hard to fit in (in my head).
And I finally see why I'm not 100% fan of Cybertronic yet. None of the original weapons made it to the renders. ALL carried weaponry is totally different from the original Cybertronic weaponry. Such a shame. I assume it's too late, but it would be ace if the weaponry would match the old ones. These are a bit too boxy and 'old' in design, which doesn't fit Cybertronic at all.
I also I think that's the reason I love the new EDD so much. The weapons are spot on!
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Hi there, I'm not sure any resin sticks together with plastic glue. Our resin models are made with a similar resin to Krmlech or max mini (not GW fine cast). Our plastic minis will be made with styrene (like GW), which can be glued with polycement/plastic glue
Great! Gw plastic is definetly the best (just as failcast is the worst resin cast ever seen).
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How do you know there is no photoshop and it not trickery. Photoshop is just another tool like paint or a razor blade. Christ you should see what photographing food actually involves to make it look good.
Because we commissioned the model and photo!
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(http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/7056/dianaw.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/11/dianaw.jpg/)
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Uhm no, not a fan. Too over the top and too much like a Techmarine and not enough like Dr. Diana. Without the Doc Oc arms she would be much better. Are they separate?
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LOL, Doctor Octopus was also my 1st thought!
The big combat boots are also not my Thing...
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I really like the boots!
Mark actually emailed me saying he thought she looked a bit like my missus, which I found funny! :)
The backpack should be seperate, or at least the arms. It will be interesting to see how the kit comes.
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Nice figure but I am loosing the Doc Oc, Techmarine arms on mine!
Nightmask
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Fabius Bile v2.0. Needs a less 40k inspired backpack.
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I like the new Dr Diana a lot. The two faces are both great and the mecha arms are good. Make them detachable and give us an options to just make it a a backpack. That wold silence the critics and we would still have the arm option.
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As far as I can tell, the backpack is going to be optional and the arms on the backpack will be posable.
I too, am a fan of the heads, but in the old artwork Dr. Diana had a pair of glasses on her head, it would be nice to see that carried over! I don't know though, this stuff costs money and time and 'time is money', so it's costing money and more money technically!!!
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I wonder what kind of surgery she does, running with a circular saw... :D
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The big combat boots are also not my Thing...
At least they don't have high heels...
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Enough with the running, jumping, handstand poses please!
I can understand the use of extra dynamic poses, if we are dealing with some lightly armored close combat troops or such.
I dont like the tech marine arms either. How about making one of her own arms bionic with some medical tools included.
Other than that its a great mini :)
Dur
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Well, I decided to up my pledge so I get one of each for the Brotherhood. So I FINALLY know my new faction 8)
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No, I still haven't decided yet which faction it will be for me... Really curious how Capitol Will turn out if we reach 80k in time, and if not it will be Brotherhood, Cybertronic or Dark Legion... Choices choices!
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From the description of the Brotherhood (last paragraph):
"When BROTHERHOOD rised from ashes, then another power rised - forces of DARK LEGION where spread all over the universe and attacked humanity. Activity of DARK LEAGION started when IMPERIAL ship (again) land on a new planet - last planet of our solar system, planet NERO. All MEGACORPORATIONS was leading by BROTHERHOOD and they met on the battlefield on VENUS in the last fight against DARK LEGION forces."
What happened to proof-reading, there??
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The Cybertronic MegaCorporation's Armoured Chasseurs are available on Kickstarter at the special Kickstarter price of £11.40 as an 'Add-on' option:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/513277403/mutant-chronicles-warzone-resurrection
(http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/802/armouredchasseurs1.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/24/armouredchasseurs1.jpg/)
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DAMN, those are sexy. And kudos for using the AR3000 8)
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Yes, I'm happy to see the "good" weaponery too :D
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Oh yes baby!
You hit the Cybertronic nail right on the head with these guys ;D
Great work Prodos!
Dur
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These look very good and all but its time to see some really minis (if you want to convince me to part with my money that is) ;).
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These look very good and all but its time to see some really minis (if you want to convince me to part with my money that is) ;).
But you have noticed the "real" Undead Legionairres, the Razide and the Everasseur, or? ???
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Will there be some non-cybernetic basic troops for Cybertronic, too (at some point)? The fluff on the website suggests that lots of common soldiers go to war with less than state-of-the-art equipment.
And I like these Chasseurs. Clean tech-look, both feet on the ground, ready to blast anything that moves!
It seems that the Everasseur Mk 2 has changed it's name to Immortal. Well...
A thought:
There seems to be 2 different styles mixed up in the design process; firstly, the gritty style to which belongs the Everasseur, and the first concept sketches for the Machinators, and the Armoured Chasseurs, and secondly, the more clean-shaven style of the Immortal, and the final renders of the Machinators, and the Armoured Chasseurs.
I, for one, am happy to see the latter prevail, but I'm not sure if it's not going to be a frustrating process for the concept artist(s) in the long run?
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Yeah saw them (besides the there was only a torso for the Razide). But i like to see some actual trooper with Armor and a rifle :). Since i can weight my warzone lead in kg, i'm not overly pressed in getting more of the same. So one of these Chasseurs + a comparison shot could seal the deal ... or not :).
Designwise they are very appealing, so it all comes down to the actual size of a normal build trooper.
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The style of Cybertronic will all make sense soon...
Along with the Immortal being called the Immortal. :)
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Looking forward to it :).
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80K has been reached! Go go Capital! :D
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Today we unlocked Capitol! Big Bob Watts and his forces from the starter set are being 3D rendered as I write! We should be able to share in a couple of days.
So now we can announce that Mitch Hunter will be our £85k Stretched Goal! He is a Warzone favourite and we are really looking forward to seeing him in action very soon!
And finally, please see the image of the Undead Legionnaires below. The new guns and shoulder pads will now come in the starter sets and their Add-on boxes. We hope you like them (the additions for the other starters will be announced later today....
(http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/3808/zombiesrd.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/545/zombiesrd.jpg/)
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LOL, was copying the post above from the Kickstarter.
Damn, those Legionaries are nice with shoulder pads! They look a lot beefier and more like the old ones. Great. And can't wait to see Capitol. Hunter & Watts together...oh yes 8)
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@Prodos
Grr.... those renders should have been lying around anticipating the 80K goal grrrr.... :)
Nightmask
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Possible true, but we are trying to be true to the remit of Kickstarter, which I believe is meant to 'Kickstart' a project, to help support it and help it do things it couldn't have otherwise. Prodos will not use KS as a preorder method. We don't think that it is ethically correct to do so! So when a goal is unlocked, that is when we will start working on it.
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...and turn around has been pretty damn quick so far!
Can't wait guys, I have been blown away by those Armoured Chasseurs, I can't imagine what the rest will do to me...
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I like the one pointing his gun down, reminds me of an old one. Hope they are going to do the diffrent types of legionnaires.. what was it again?.. think screaming, deseased and some more.
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Capitol unlocked!
Can't wait to see them 3D rendered.
I hope to see them close to the 2nd ed. design.
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Looking forwrad to Capitol as well, especially the purple shark design will be interessting. very nice improovment with the shouldpads on the undead legionaires.
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@Krysset80:
Screaming:
http://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server5100/k2mrpdoj/products/1091/images/3545/tg9515__51363.1350323956.1280.1280.jpg
Blessed:
http://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server5100/k2mrpdoj/products/1087/images/3537/tg9506__24917.1350322836.1280.1280.jpg
Heretics
http://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server5100/k2mrpdoj/products/1092/images/3547/tg9517__21382.1350324228.1280.1280.jpg
Regulars:
http://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server5100/k2mrpdoj/products/1086/images/3535/tg9505__89329.1350322671.1280.1280.jpg
http://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server5100/k2mrpdoj/products/1088/images/3539/tg9511__48248.1350323151.1280.1280.jpg
New sculpts:
http://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server5100/k2mrpdoj/products/1078/images/3519/tg1208__20116.1350320886.1280.1280.jpg
http://www.ninjabread.co.uk/forums/dark-legion-legionnaires.jpg
http://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server5100/k2mrpdoj/products/1085/images/3533/tg11131__47889.1350322397.1280.1280.jpg
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@Prodos
Regarding Capitol - would it be Light or Heavy Infantry?
Purple Sharks 3d render please :-*
I can only guess what will you release next, but Free Marines and Martian Banshee are the most famous and most wanted Capitol units ever!
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I like the new legionnaries. The first ones were too generic for my own taste.
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Most of those old legionnaires are actually quite awful.... o_o
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In your eyes...
I love them! Especially the normal ones and the blessed.
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Being a Dark Legion Man myself, the Legionnaires released did nothing for me, actually put me off the DL in this version of WZ. But what a difference a shoulder-pad makes. Not sure on the new guns, but if there an option, back to Kratach's. - Much praise, Prodos.
And again with the Armoured Cybertronic troopers. Didn't like the initial design, reminded me to much of Carcass Armour (which is DL). Then renders appear, and now Cybertronic isa definate starter (unarmoured can be used as People's Volunters/Fighters). And the DeathDroid.
I do believe Prodos are trying hard to destroy my recently earned black bank balance, and so far, succeeding.
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Personally I am very glad the shoulder plates are sold in an optional pack. I really like Prodos new legioneres and hope you got the option to give them all Kratachs.
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Big Bob Watts is on his way, WIP and concept art below:
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/projects/457746/posts/433987/image-228791-full.jpg)
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/projects/457746/posts/433987/image-228792-full.jpg)
Checkout our this from the guys looking after the Mutant Chronicles RPG (link (http://www.mutantchroniclesrpg.com/)) and their current Kickstarter project.
And here are our 'Undead Legionnaires' Painted by Worthy Painiting:
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/projects/457746/posts/433987/image-228793-full.jpg)
Damn, this Bob Watt is so much better than the old one. Then again, the old one was quite bad.
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The new Bob has recoilless miniguns I see :P
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Gorgeous stuff, love the model. :)
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/458/855/f6cece43a2ebca69efe27c2f74459b89_large.JPG?1363812188)
Here's a link to an Everassur, painted by myself, using the traditional Cybertronic colour scheme. :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksceqZ9_YyY&noredirect=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksceqZ9_YyY&noredirect=1)
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Very nice!!
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Feck! Wrong video!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbzX2I_Vx4E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbzX2I_Vx4E)
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Yes, Capitol it is for me! :D
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Nice Razide :). Big Bob looks a lot better in this incarnation (realism aside^^).
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Ahh realism is for suckers! I do prefer this incarnation, by far.
Anyway, who's to say that the ATLAS is recoilless? Perhaps it has a built in function to avoid it? :P
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(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/projects/457746/posts/435378/image-229576-full.jpg?1364035165)
Dr. Diana - Commander. A new hero choice for Cybertronic, the battled wearied and scarred veteran of a hundred Warzones.
As the battle wearied commander studied the warzone via her uplink, her orderly approached. He didn’t wait for acknowledgement before placing the tablet in her hand. ‘What’s this?’ the commander asked, as she rubbed her shaven head.
‘Ma’am, the new batch of Diana neoclones are online.’ he stated blandly.
‘How many?’
‘532, Ma’am.’
‘What happened to the other 68?’ she asked with surprise.
‘42 were lost to cloning issues, 23 to cyborg enhancement failures’
‘And the other three?’
‘They were kept back by Dr. Diana DB72 to assist her’ he explained.
‘This will not do!’ she said angrily.
The commander’s optic blinked as she connected directly to the Cybertronic cloning lab leader. A second or two of static was replaced by a tinny voice in the Commander’s aural implant.
‘Ma’am?’ queried a voice.
‘Dr. Diana, explain to me why you have kept three of my units. Explain it now!’ she commanded.
‘Ma’am, as you may have seen the last batch had a higher than acceptable failure rate, I need assistance to resolve this.’ Dr. Diana DB72 said.
‘In future obtain permission before such a decision is made. However your request is retrospectively authorised’ the commander chastised her junior.
She cut the link before Dr. Diana DB72 could reply. The commander returned her gaze to her orderly.
‘When will the new units be ready?’ she asked.
‘They’re here now, ma’am. Shall I get two sent up as discussed?’
‘Yes!’
After a few minutes two twin-like women entered the command room. The orderly lead them to the commander and instructed them to report. ‘Diana Neoclone XQ27’, stated the first in monotone as the second gave her designation as ‘Diana Neoclone XQ34’. The commander studied them for a while with disdain as she remembered back to her Neoclone days; days that seemed so long ago now. ‘Did I really used to look that beautiful?’ she asked herself, as she touched the long ugly scar on her age-wrinkled face.
‘I am Commander Dr. Diana B01’ the commander said ‘and you will assist me in the field tomorrow. If you survive you will be reassigned as Dr. Diana XQ27 and Dr. Diana XQ34 and become my permanent battlefield assistants. Report here for duty at 43:00 hours. You are dismissed!’.
There's also a whole load of new stretch goals. Mishima are now included too, along with a host of KS specials and extra units for the existing factions.
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I like Dianas pose more but the Doc Oc harness is still not my thing.
But since it was said that it will be a seperate part, no worries from me.
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I should point out that this is one of two poses. The other, you have already seen.
So we have:
- Dr. Diana - Neoclone (Hero)
- Dr. Diana - Commander (Hero/'Warlord')
I'd assume the backpack is optional, it sounds like it will be as there are a lot of mixed opinions of them. Each Diana has 2 head variants.
If she is popular enough, who knows, there could be more! Perhaps not 532 more though... ;D
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The first of the £90k Stretched Goals: The Capitol MegaCorporation's Martian Banshees. The other four units will be released each day from tomorrow.
And Mitch and his dog, Pride are released.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/513277403/mutant-chronicles-warzone-resurrection
(http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/2502/90kstretchgoal.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/818/90kstretchgoal.jpg/)
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Just make sure the Capitol heroes and units legs are not tilted like the new second edition figures was. No good to have them stand around like your undead legionares. ;) Your undead Legionares are excellent btw.
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Today's Update: Today we add the Brotherhood's Inquisitors to the £90k Stretched Goal units.
Yesterday we announced the Capitol Martian Banshees
More tomorrow!
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/513277403/mutant-chronicles-warzone-resurrection
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3rd unit announced is the Bauhaus 'Vorreiters'. A brand new design in the Mutant Chronicles universe!
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Erm.....nice idea.... but where does the top of the track run?
Sorry for asking, but...... you know.....
tt43.
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The top tracks work their way through. This is actually based on a real design!
(http://www.unusuallocomotion.com/medias/images/tracked-motorcycle-1938.jpg?fx=r_550_550)
Sure there is a little sci-fi flavour added. Also, this is a concept drawing to guide the final sculpt. There is a chance the final render will look slightly different.
Don't be sorry for asking! ;D
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I like the bike (hah!). Reminds me of the KettenKrad =)
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Today we introduce the Black Widow, the terror inducing Heavy Vehicle from the Dark legion
This model will be dispatched in August, but is purchasable at the special Kick Starter price of £35.50 now.
The Black Widow will be approximately five inches long.
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Nice!
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lol, I was just about to post that!
haha
I love it!
By the way, the bike is *not* a replacement for any other old mounted Bauhaus units. NOTHING is getting removed from the old background. Some little excerpts of background may be extended or slightly altered, but everything is checked with Paradox Entertainment first.
That means Bauhaus Dino Cavalry will be coming out at some point. :)
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Thats good news :)
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BTW, how is that tracked bike steered? :)
And is the Black Widow that thing visible in one of the old WarZone books in the trench scene, four legs and a head on top? Necro Construct or something like that?
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The old Black Widow model had 3 legs, each ending in a set of tracks. Very odd. New one has 6 legs and relies on walking.
The real bike, I have no idea how it was steered, however, the Warzone one is steered with 2 independent sets of tracks, IIRC.
:)
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BTW, how is that tracked bike steered? :) (...)
http://blog.modernmechanix.com/belt-drive-replaces-wheels-on-novel-motorcycle/ :
Steering is accomplished by handlebars which control a sideways motion of the drive belt.
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Version 1.2 of the Beta testing rules are now available. There are options to play with or without a deck of cards, extra rules concerning miniatures with particular base sizes and also special actions!
Not to mention, a sneak peek into the weapons of Warzone!
Give it a go, then pop over to the Prodos Games (Warzone Resurrection) Forum with your feedback.
http://warzonegame.com/info/rules.html (http://warzonegame.com/info/rules.html)
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A new render today, in the form of 'Golgotha', a Dark Legion Hero. The miniature will retail at £9.99 after Kickstarter.
The miniature will be 37mm tall, reflecting the original Mutant Chronicles background, that Golgotha was taller than a man.
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/projects/457746/posts/439445/image-231916-full.jpg?1364459780)
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Very... Um, Kerrigan? ;)
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A new render today, in the form of 'Golgotha', a Dark Legion Hero. The miniature will retail at £9.99 after Kickstarter.
The miniature will be 37mm tall, reflecting the original Mutant Chronicles background, that Golgotha was taller than a man.
Great looking render. I would be interested in seeing the rear and side views of the figure. Are the 8 spider legs sculpted to blend in as part of the body when fixed on, or are they part of some kind of "backpack" stick on piece?
She could make a great Aspect of Lolth or a really unsettling Drider for D&D games.
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Very... Um, Kerrigan? ;)
lol, someone posted this on the facebook pages.
The design for Golgotha predates Starcraft! :P
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Very... Um, Kerrigan? ;)
My first thought too, but thats a good thing.
The design for Golgotha predates Starcraft! :P
Im sure it does, but IIRC in the old illustrations Golgotha was less "hot", if that phrase is appropriate for an eight foot spider demon lady.
I can definitely see myself picking that model up to add to my bug horde though. Dont change the design or anything please :)
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Just a rough comparison shot I took today.
Old Ducal Militia miniature compared to the new Everassur.
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Aftre the - at least for me- disappointing Bauhaus "Bike" ( :? ) and the Black Widow ( :-[ ), Golgotha is IMO a very nice render. 8)
To be more true to the original I would increase the breast size and give here a more Demonic face.
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Please, no bigger boobs...there are already too many major-boob-miniatures out there. And if you zoom in on the face you can see a lot of the old model in it in style. From a distance it looks much more human. But up close...she's ugly!
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I think it will be staying the same way. The reason it has taken a while to come out is because it was so hard to get just right.
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The old one had much more well defined muscles, it made her look a lot more dangerous and therefore better in my opinion. But I am sure this design will draw in the buyers.
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Just announced! The Cybertronic Scorpion!
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Ummm, looks more like a Necron than Cybertronic to me.
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I really like it and I think I'll buy two. I increased my pledge so I can get most of the Cybertronic (except the regular Chasseurs, don't like these at all).
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Necromutant resin casting. :)
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Looks good, but a bit hard to judge without a base or another model. The scale is difficult to see well.
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Rangers are quite nice - especially the full helmet instead of the stupid masks on old sclpts.
The scorpion doesn't do it for me. Defies all logic to have a heavy machine with a soft spot in the form of a human torso; woldn't they just have crafted his head into basic shape of the thing to make it less vulnerable?
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Picture of the Necromutant makes me happy, very 'MC' in it's design - the original designs that were shown looked like post-apoc warriors, not Necro's.
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I have been impressed with the sculpts. And especially how Prodos accepts comments from the fans.
To that end, the scorpion and spider don't fit...IMO.
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Okay, I have just been blown away. I am so pleased I have pledged for these.
I can imagine these in lots of settings, but they still look wonderfully Warzone, whilst being contemporary. They remind me of a blend of Fallout: New Vegas and Warzone....
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/projects/457746/posts/441233/image-232983-full.jpg?1364653777)
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It would be interesting to see those beside Eisenkern Stormtroopers...
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Oh they look cool!
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I think that, troops wise, these are the best so far.
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Cool sci-fi models, no doubt. The only thing instantly recognizable as Capitol is the weapons, though.
My first impression was: These remind me of Urban War Viridians with a tad more armour.
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...and the shoulderpads, and the pouches on their shins, oh and the kneepads. All taken from old Capitol Trooper design variants.
I reckon it was a very conscious decision to make these guys look rugged, slightly over-burdened and just plain badass! There are 10 heads going in the box for sure, 5 with helmets and gasmasks (which again, some old ones had) and 5 bare headed.
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These special Extra add-on packs are only available on Kickstarter. Some parts will be available on the plastic sprues (but these extras shown will be resin), such as legion shoulder pads, other things may be offered seperately as upgrade packs in the future (walker arm variants). Whereas other parts of the set may not be released again (e.g. head variants)
As with the other special dice, the capitol ones will be included in the first run of the appropriate starter sets and for a limited time as an add-on. Each design will be limited to 2000 dice. Once they have gone they've gone!
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...and the shoulderpads, and the pouches on their shins, oh and the kneepads. All taken from old Capitol Trooper design variants.
I reckon it was a very conscious decision to make these guys look rugged, slightly over-burdened and just plain badass! There are 10 heads going in the box for sure, 5 with helmets and gasmasks (which again, some old ones had) and 5 bare headed.
Indeed, they take a lot of inspiration from the 2nd Edition Light Infantry for most of the body and the helmets are a mix of new design with a bit of 60's GI. But those knee pads and shin-mounted mag-pouches are straight off of the 2nd Edition infantry. And the small but square shoulderpads are similar to those seen in some of the art (Sgt. Carter) and on the Light Infantry from 2nd.
If I weren't a Bauhaus/Cybertronic freak I would be all over these suckers. I will have to make due with shooting them instead.
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Does anybody know how many dice will be in the starter pack? 1? Or more?
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I'm pretty sure it's 2.
And I'm pretty sure it will be 2 that correspond with the faction box.
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Thats what i understood - and i think they stated that each faction die (or just Capitol ?) will be a limited run - 2000 units, so get em while you can.
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Yep, I can tell you now that they are comparatively expensive compared to just slinging normal D20s in there!!! :P
Anyway! Exciting!
PURPLE SHARKS! The sculptor has started these today!!!
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Here's some fancy artwork! More of this soon! Obviously, some will be secret for the rulebook!
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/468/513/437def2982b3aec85ead345704e2a060_large.jpg?1364206281)
Capitol Orca, coming if they hit 95,000. It's very close, so if you have been on the fence, please do as I want one!!!!
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Icarus, Brotherhood flyer. - Unlocked.
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/projects/457746/posts/445383/image-235290-full.jpg?1365077496)
New Inquisitors, come in a box of 3. - Unlocked.
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Hope you like them! :)
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Okay, I have just been blown away. I am so pleased I have pledged for these.
I can imagine these in lots of settings, but they still look wonderfully Warzone, whilst being contemporary. They remind me of a blend of Fallout: New Vegas and Warzone....
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/projects/457746/posts/441233/image-232983-full.jpg?1364653777)
Honestly, they should go back to Football and Hockey goalie helmets for Capitol troopers.
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Like the old hockey and football based helmets also. But the new Orca looks cool. Very much an improvement over the old design
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...and the shoulderpads, and the pouches on their shins, oh and the kneepads. All taken from old Capitol Trooper design variants.
I think that may be exactly the problem. A mix of details that alltogether does not resemble anything already known. I don't think anyone seeing just the renders of these out of context would recognize them as Capitol, or even MC. Heads and weapons are the two focal points, and the heads really look a lot like the Urban War Viridians. Shoulder pads - maybe because of the multitude of details - do not 'pop' like on earlier models, and even look somewhat out of place on these (I actually think this design would look better with smaller 'turtle-shells' on the shoulders, but that's another story).
As I wrote, I think they are nice sci-fi designs, they just don't say 'Capitol' to me. They lack the 'retro cliché americans' label that was the trademark of said megacorp. The 'retro cliché' style was, in my opinion, the one single most important feature of the MC universe, which made the setting so easy to identify.
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Well, here's one for the old guard!
Max Steiner!
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/projects/457746/posts/446914/image-236204-full.jpg?1365200469)
I think he looks fab!
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Like the inquisitors, very true to the original, with all the 'grafic novel/comic book' slightly exaggerated style of the earlier version.
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They posted pics of the capital free Marines up
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They posted pics of the capital free Marines up
Saw those - also very 'old school'. I'm not sold on the biker-head, though. And isn't Big Bob Watts a Free Marine, anymore??
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No, he still is, the Free marines designs will be based on similar aesthetics. With enough to set Big Bob Watts apart. :)
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Brotherhood Icarus Jetfighter
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Capitol Sgt. Big Bob Watts
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Warzone Resurrection Templates (Lasercut, clear acrylic)
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Bauhaus Etoiles Mortant
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Dark Legion Pretorian Stalkers (Some correction on the Ammunition Clip will be occuring before these are printed)
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And those HMG's the Stalkers are toting around are still WIP (they will be beefing the magazine up).
Love the Etoiles Mortant (which are words I never thought I would ever say, I have disliked that unit ever since the Target days). But some of those heads are going to my Venusian Rangers (and those new smoother V-Ranger heads as well as the extra from Angelika should be perfect for helmeted Etoiles).
I also believe anyone pledging Cartel-level or higher get the template set for free.
Either way, some exciting stuff in there.
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And those HMG's the Stalkers are toting around are still WIP (they will be beefing the magazine up)
I assume they'll be beefing the bipod up as well (or more preferably making it look like it has proper telescopic legs) then 'cuz otherwise the magazine won't fit under the gun when it's being braced.
Am a little disappointed with these. The expression is wonky and the dinosaur feet don't work for me. Shame that these classic DL baddies don't seem to be improving either with this iteration.
OTOH it's nice to see that the Etoiles Mortants don't wear belly button shirts any more 8)
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I cannot say for sure, but I believe the Etoiles Mortant will come with some spare head variants too. But Durandal is right, Angelika Drachen comes with 3 heads, so you will have spares there, also Dr. Diana comes with spares. Potentially Laura, but again, I cannot confirm.
I'm hoping the Valkyries have masked and unmasked variants.
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Stalkers are on spot for me, but the EM have too baggy Pants for my taste, EM = catsuits!
;)
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Through the ever changing mists of dark symettry, the shaky visage of a creature, greater in stature than any man Bob Watt's had seen before began to work its way into a terrifying visual reality...
Updates a bit later on for this one! :D
P.s. Agis, check out 1st ed EM's, they wear combat trousers! I rather like them. :)
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The baggy trousers suit the new Bauhaus look, but are really not my Thing.
But I like the way WZ is going and upped my pledge!
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On the KickStarter Credits issue, do they in practice mean that if I pledge for example for a Cybertronic starter set I can decide swap the Everassur coming as default in the set for an Immortal since they are both listed at the same price and are in the same "category" ???
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Jup. You can swap the Immortal for the Everassur. AFAIK this is the only swappable thing in the starters.
@Praetorian Stalkers: General design is great. Nice and chunky. Fits the fluff well. But don't like the guns and I REALLY don't like the feet. Give 'em armored boots, looks much better.
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On the KickStarter Credits issue, do they in practice mean that if I pledge for example for a Cybertronic starter set I can decide swap the Everassur coming as default in the set for an Immortal since they are both listed at the same price and are in the same "category" ???
Thats how I read it.
You can Change basically everything.
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On the KickStarter Credits issue, do they in practice mean that if I pledge for example for a Cybertronic starter set I can decide swap the Everassur coming as default in the set for an Immortal since they are both listed at the same price and are in the same "category" ???
Unfortunately not, no.
You can swap costs out, so you could get the same value as a starter box of other troops (even though this may end up as less).
I get the feeling that the Everassur is going to be a popular unit though, so if you really do not want it, sell it afterwards.
There was talk of being able to swap out the Everassur for an Immortal, but I do not think that is the case.
Agis, nice one for upping your pledge. Glad you're liking it, it's been a fun ride and the rulebook is going to be AMAZING. :)
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Unfortunately not, no.
You can swap costs out, so you could get the same value as a starter box of other troops (even though this may end up as less)
OK I'm officially totally confused now. If I "swap out the cost" of Everassur from a starter set pledge how much credit do I have to spend and what can I spend it on?
On the subject of selling off, I'm sad to say that I much doubt there is much after market for Warzone Resurrection models here in Finland. It's hard enough to sell off GW stuff in my experience.
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If there is a model you do not want from the starter box, you will have to swap the whole box out.
The starter box is worth £30.
So, if you wanted the Chasseurs and the Cuirassier from the Cybetronic Starter Box, you would have to state that you do not want the starter box and swap it for £30 worth of miniatures.
Cybertronic Chasseurs (x5 models) x2 = £22.80
Cuirassier (x2 models, cannot be bought individually, as packaged in the Starter Box) = £8.55
Total = £31.35
So you would have to add £1.35 to your pledge and request for the starter box to be removed as £30 worth of credits. :)
I will find out if people can swap the Everassur for the Immortal as it was stated early into the Kickstarter, but I cannot find any evidence of this on the Kickstarter Page. I'll get back to you when I know for sure.
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If there is a model you do not want from the starter box, you will have to swap the whole box out.
The starter box is worth £30
Ah quite, "a starter set" is a "black box" single item in the pledge then. Makes sense of course.
However, now that I looked at the KS page in more detail I must say I can't quite make out how the international p&p is determined either if I don't pledge an exact pledge level amount because I want extras on top of a level that don't add up to the next full level. Say, I pledge for "Necromutant" and a weapon add-on, for a total of £60. I can see it's in the ballpark of £10-£12 but what would be the correct amount? Is there perchance an "add +£x per add-on" clause somewhere that I'm missing?
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Shipping is simple: add 12 GBP. So if you want to pledge 60 GBP, make a total pledge for 72GBP and choose the closest reward (54GBP). You can add the weapons later during the survey.
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So it's "total the value of stuff you want to pledge for, pledge at the nearest level down from the cost thereof, add the p&p from the closes pledge level up from cost thereof to the total and enter it for the final pledged amount".
Not sure if that is "simple" exactly but it works of course.
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That is correct.
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Praetorian Behemoth...
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Sneak peek at the stats...
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Necromutants (Squad) - These are slightly different from the Necromutant 'heroes'/sqaud leaders.
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Stalkers should copy their "big bro's" shoes...
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Amen
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Just so folks know, I have confirmed that folks may choose to swap the Everassur for an Immortal in the Cybertronic Starter Boxed Set, this includes the miniature and all associated cards.
This is the ONLY SWAP OUT from the Starter Boxes that Prodos Games are able to do.
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Those new necromutants looks awesome! Great work!
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While looking at that cool new Necromutants i'm getting a very good idea for what i can use them besides WZ :D.
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I'm thinking there is a lot of Fallout Supermutant potential there... ;D
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Just so folks know, I have confirmed that folks may choose to swap the Everassur for an Immortal in the Cybertronic Starter Boxed Set, this includes the miniature and all associated cards
Neat.
BTW anyone know what is "international small hero"? I think the term only appears in the "what you get with pledges" table Never mind, found it.
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Okay, here's one reminder for those who are still on the fence: Jump in! There's less than 72 hours left. Grab you some Warzone minis while you can. Still lots of great (limited) offers to take.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/513277403/mutant-chronicles-warzone-resurrection
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Okay, here's one reminder for those who are still on the fence: Jump in! There's less than 72 hours left. Grab you some Warzone minis while you can. Still lots of great (limited) offers to take.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/513277403/mutant-chronicles-warzone-resurrection
Assuming I know very little about kickstarter how would one go about this?
How do you pay? When are the funds taken? When do you pay for the optional stuff?
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As far as Kickstarters go - they all work 'roughly' the same. You choose a 'Pledge' level you wish to back (this will give you a set 'package' of items), and then you can if you wish add extra money for 'add-ons' (extra stuff than in the pledge). The site has a pledge manager, which will ask you at what level and how much cash you want to pledge.
As far as taking money, this happens when the Kickstarter finishes (April 15 for WZR), if the target amount is met (as WZR is at 300% of target, it's going to take your money). After the kickstarter finishes, a survey is sent out so you can tell the people running it what you actually want. Some Kickstarters allow, at this time, extra funds to be added for product - not sure about this one, been mentioned but not sure.
Also, WZR offers a Credit system - you can swap out items from your pledge for a 'value' to use to purchase other items/add-on's. It does appear complicated at first, but it does allow a budget to be followed (i've only had to add 80p to my pledge - unless we hit £140 and Mishima)
Hope that helps (and really glad Warzone is BACK)
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THX for explaining.
So I guess, the deal is that one helps out funding initial investment by being offered substantial discount on the future releases?
Is that the interest?
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Yes former user, that is the idea in general. Plus some Kickstarters offer exclusive content only available during the KS campaign. In the Warzone case this is a diorama and a limited miniature as the next stretch goal.
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well, exclusives are as old as the trade :D
and future bonds are nothing new as well, so I guess the novelty is the online communication and the bypassing of the usual funding channels, which is good!
THX for clarifying
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well, exclusives are as old as the trade :D
and future bonds are nothing new as well, so I guess the novelty is the online communication and the bypassing of the usual funding channels, which is good!
THX for clarifying
In exchange for old funding channels you ahve new one, Amazon is taking a hefty percentage!
It is still a good convinient online way to fund or increase the investment for smaller companies or people who have a bgood idea but do not wish to risk their money.
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I agree
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For Prodos, it is a great way of gauging their intial interest.
They have also been able to release an awful lot more than they ever imagined by this stage. :)
It's been a fantastic ride, only 1 more full day to go!!!
Get in on it now! :D
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Valerie Duval
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Capitol Heavy Infantry!
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Capitol Heavy Infantry!
Now all we need is someone calling these sp*c* m*r*n* clones! :P
Our group pledged collectively for the Capitol level. I confess to dreading the day when I have to fill in the pledge manager questionaire... o_o
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I've written out a list of what I am getting, wayyyy in advance! I feel sorry for the poor sods that have to fill all the orders!!! ;D
Anywho, here are the Valyries! Hopefully another 2 renders today.
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Today is the LAST DAY of Kickstarter!!!
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And about £300 away from funding/unlocking Mishima starter with 13 hours to go. So that's all but Imperial and the various Apostles out of the gate from the start. Happy that Mishima is coming, as i didn't think we'd make it (around £10,000 added in the last 24-36 hours).
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Mishima's unlocked now, according to a status e-mail.
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Now all we need is someone calling these sp*c* m*r*n* clones! :P
I wasn't gonna, but my first thought was 'yay, terminator suits... :? '
Again, nice generic sci-fi troops, but without any distinct MC-feel.
I don't think I'll be playing this one, call it nostalgia or whatever - I just see too much stuff not tapping into the original MC-imagery in a way that would make me go 'yes, Warzone!'.
But, good luck to Prodos, and let's see if they manage to create a lasting incarnation of the game - the KS has reached a good level of success, and only time will tell if Prodos can keep the momentum up.
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The Valk heads are IMO too bird like, otherwise spot on.
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I think the new models looks great! And with the exeption of Cybertronic getting grittier fits the Warzone universe perfectly. Warzone has always been a weird mish mash of styles and tech and the new figures captures that feel.
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Final tally £161,851. Kudos to Prodos.
The pledge calculator link send with the end-of-the-project e-mail doesn't work tho, you need to go to http://warzonegame.com/info/kickstarter.html to get it.
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The Valk heads are IMO too bird like, otherwise spot on.
There is something about those helmets, otherwise they - as most other BH - are quite close to their predecessors.
Warzone has always been a weird mish mash of styles and tech....
Yes, but with a heavy 'dieselpunk' feel and tongue-in-cheek use of 'nationality/cultural clichés' and overall cohesion in spite of each faction having its own distinct look. I don't see any of this in the latest Capitol designs, they are more like a 'power-armoured gritty hi-tech far future bug-hunting' style.
Try putting a Venusian Ranger (done in the 'classic' style) beside one of the new Capitol designs, and tell me that you think someone not knowing any of them in advance would think they are from the same game/setting (apart from the Banshees now for some reason sporting skull masks instead of Mishima-style kabuki/oni masks which resembles the Ranger's helmets somewhat).
In my personal opinion, the whole range should have been either totally redesigned or all sculpts kept close to the original artwork, instead of trying to please both grumpy old-timers like me and the more forgiving type of gamer who is perfectly content as long as he/she gets some cool minis to play with. Make a plan, stick to it, and dodge the bullets. :)
At the end of the day, the current mix of old and new styles simply puts me off, which is a shame. They could have pulled off doing a redesign with an overall higher level of tech, setting the game in a slightly later era of the universe, and I probably wouldn't have had other complaints than that I would have preferred a respawn of the original setting. Or they could have stayed with the imagery, doing nicer sculpts of everything with this or that little change.
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After hemming and hawing for two months I pledged for a Cybertronic starter last night. PLastic cyborgs are right up my street.
Have any pictures of actual models (rather than renders) of the chasseurs been seen yet? I may have missed some. Also, is there a weapons pack included in the starter box? I cant remember and (like most Kickstarters) definitive information is a bit hard to find. Thanks in advance for any help.
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Can't recall seeing a mini of the new Chasseurs either. The only weapon packs I've seen mentioned are add-on items. Not at all sure if the starter sets contain multiple weapon options per trooper.
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Whatever Prodos was going to do, they would have been wrong... some sections of the community would be disattisfied.
I think they have done the best they can to upgrade the range and still hint at some of the original design cues... and where appropriate, they have completely gone their own way.
I'll be getting some Bauhaus stuff (Vulkans in particular) but there are a few other bits and bobs that I would like... hopefully, I will be able to adjust my pledge in the 'wash-up' to get exactly what I want.
There are other bits that could have been done better BUT in the big scheme of things, I think this has been a very good kickstarter with just the right amount of interactive tinkering without losing the 'vision' that Prodos had for the direction they planned to steer in.
I, for one, am glad that they didn't try to reproduce the 80's style of stocky miniatures with overly massive shoulder-pads and weapons.
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I agree, it is impossible to make everyone happy. In the same way there are only one or two models I actually like, most of the old artwork I like, but I prefer wayyyy more of the new stuff. A lot of the time, the older models were 'forced' into roles, for example the difference between Light and Heavy infantry for Capitol in the old versions of Warzone was minimal, where the difference in the RPG is closer to the modern differences.
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for example the difference between Light and Heavy infantry for Capitol in the old versions of Warzone was minimal,
baseball hat vs football helmet?
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baseball hat vs football helmet?
Second edition had the Light Infantry wearing Montana hats. They sure looked like Doughboys.
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There was a heavy shift in design from 1st Ed. minis to 2nd Ed. - and not all for the better. I loved the 1st Ed. Imperials, but disliked the later models. I think Mark Copplestone did some of the earlier models for Imperial and Capitol, and for instance the Blood Berets - while a bit heavier armoured than shown in the artwork - are still up to par with many contemporary models. I think 2nd Ed got clunkier, and all of a sudden the BB had MUCH less armour and flat square shoulder pads.
And, just for the record, I never said Prodos should try to please everyone - actually quite the opposite.
It's the between-two-chairs approach that doesn't sit well with me.
I was probably the first person in Denmark to own Warzone 1st Ed., and I bought it because I loved the MC universe and imagery, which first caught my eyes when I saw the pics on the Doomtrooper cards (awful card game, btw.), making me start GM'ing an RPG campaign. So, Warzone was for me an extention of the setting, not the primary factor for my interest in MC - and that's probably why I see things the way I do; I love the original setting and imagery, and thus the change in designs and style does not really do anything for me.
Many of the new models are cool, and could probably be used to other ends, too, but I wouldn't buy them to use as MC models, and I have plenty of other generic stuff, so...
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I'm happy we left the 1st Ed. Days (the baseball hats and there likes made me shudder). In my view Prodos did a splendid Job with their reinterpretation.
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Me too really love the the new stuff. Especially the new Capitol. Hope they adjust Bauhaus a bit to make them more grittier.
Cant wait!
Nightmask
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I'm happy we left the 1st Ed. Days (the baseball hats and there likes made me shudder). In my view Prodos did a splendid Job with their reinterpretation.
Amen. Although I have great memories of 1st edition and it was my first venture in miniature gaming, time to move on and evolve. I understand the current design isnt to everyone's view of evolution...but it is to mine, so I'm a happy gamer 8)
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I love how the heavy armoured troops made people think "terminators" you know GW didn't invent sci-fi armoured suits right guys :P
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Just as a matter of interest, how many years has the Warzone licence sat idle?
Has it been more than 20 years? More than 10 years?
In that time anyone could have stepped forward to take up the mantle and start to update the rules and continue making miniatures to match the existing ones (if there was a will to do it and a bit of funding) but I really question how successful that would have been... would the existing fan-base have been enough to enable the game and miniatures succeed? Would the new miniatures in an old style have appealed to new visitors to the game? Would the game have flopped because of the extreme style or surpassed all expectations?
It would have been interesting to see but I ask the question... why did the Warzone licence die in the first place? Had it out lived its useful life or was it something else?
I know that I didn't like the blocky, over exagerated look of the miniatures (with a few rare exceptions) so wouldn't have gone as far as to check the rules out. Fortunately the latest incarnations don't suffer in the same way and have really piqued my interest (hence I joined the Kickstarter and pledged) and I can say that it wouldn't have happened if the miniatures were styled the old way.
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Since 2008 IIRC. FFG was the last to touch it with a weird scale (54mm) collectable format that coincided with the release of the movie. Immediately before that it was excelsior which held the license from early 2000's (I want to say 2004 but could be wrong) until approx 2008.
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Since 2008 IIRC. FFG was the last to touch it with a weird scale (54mm) collectable format that coincided with the release of the movie. Immediately before that it was excelsior which held the license from early 2000's (I want to say 2004 but could be wrong) until approx 2008.
Oh yes, I remember the 54mm pre-painted, bendy plastic figures... I don't think they were particularly well received either.
So it hasn't laid dormant for long then?
Hopefully, the latest attempt will have longer legs... it has to be better than the 54mm stuff, at least.
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Probably almost 10 years now. Excelsior held the license, but all they did was release Ultimate Warzone. They made no new miniatures, re-released old miniatures and relabelled parts of the range (for example the Viktor Battlesuits and the Vulcan Battlesuits).
I think Excelsior had plans to do stuff, but just couldn't, for one reason or another. It seems that the guy that wrote the rulebook had issues with John Robertson, who used to run Target Games from Scotland (now Urban Mammoth). No idea why.
Target Games, there is talk that they tried to get into Video Games in a big way, before video games became popular. This move led them to their destruction! I don't know how true that is though!
The 54mm pre-paint made no attempt to be Warzone. It was Mutant Chronicles, but not Warzone. FFG really did not play to the strengths of the background and that is what I believe Prodos are doing.
Prodos also have plans for the future, they understand the miniature gaming world and are taking it by storm. I like to think that Warzone was always one to be groundbreaking (except UWZ, which was quite disappointing really) and Warzone Resurrection, will have elements in there that have never been used, or are uncommon.
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In that time anyone could have stepped forward to take up the mantle and start to update the rules and continue making miniatures to match the existing ones (if there was a will to do it and a bit of funding)
Polish Warzone have been working on "Warzone 4.0" project for a few years now:
not sure there are tournaments played under these rules :)
Damn, every time someone mentions Warzone I get so nostalgic :(
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@ Inso:
Valid points, no doubt - on the other hand, one could argue, why make 'Mutant Chronicles Warzone Resurrection', if the minis, rather than the rules and the background, is what makes people play the game, then, why not instead bring something quite new to the table (I think there's a difference between 'resurrecting' and 'reinventing')?
The Prodos designers know their trade, and they could have gone to town with each an every new concept (almost) without anyone complaining.
I don't doubt that Prodos can succeed with this, if 1) the rules and fluff support each other 2) the rules are playable with more than a few units per side 3) they can keep up support for the game - I'm pretty sure Warzone could have existed for many years if Target hadn't folded due to some bad business decisions. UWZ failed to make a lasting impact due to some unfortunate factors, too - I think the guy who ran Excelsior fell ill for quite some time? - and the sheer bulkyness of the rules book.
And, lastly - 4) don't try to do things the 'GW-way' too soon. Starship Troopers failed when Mongoose spent too much making expensive sets and books too soon without the necessary fan base to support it, and I still can't help thinking, that 2nd Ed Warzone with the big boxed set, etc. may have had some negative financial influence on Target, too. The internet DOES make expanding the fan base fast easier than it was in the 90's, but still.
And, I'm not trying to put anyone off picking this game up, it's just not for me.
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I can tell you, I formed a close relationship with Mongoose during those final years and that is not why Starship Troopers was short-lived. It was due to licensing issues. I still hope and pray for the day it will return to the tabletop, but I have no idea if Mongoose has damaged the license in that respect (whether they meant to or not, as I cannot imagine they would intend to, it was like gold!!!).
This line is much more manageable, balancing ground-breaking moves in the way miniatures are made with being affordable and ensuring the company does not nose-dive.
The big box just isn't what people want anymore, at least, not in GW. Warmachine, Malifaux, Relics, Freebooters Fate, Dark Age, Infinity... All games that use the individual faction 'starter box', all of them fairly popular. Warmachine breaks the cycle by offering both, but then, they are very successful and their market is aimed now at GW gamers as well as the 'generic' SF&F wargamer.
Prodos are offering a Reinvention, but really, Warzone Reinvention doesn't sound as cool! :P Warzone 4th ed just sounds like a sorry attempt at reinventing it too. Resurrection is bringing something back from the dead, potential completely different, in a good way! Just forget about all the icky zombified stuff! :P
I appreciate it will not be for everyone, as with all things, but I have pretty unshakable faith at the moment! :)
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Whilst not for all, it generated enough interest to raise 162K and get 900+ backers. I can, in all fairness, say that some of the new design's don't do it for me (though not many), but still dropped more on this than any other KS i've been part of - and without (too many) sleepless nights wondering how it pay for it.
Agree totally about the rules being able to 'scale up' (play UWZ as i like large scale skirmish - a game with 60 odd figures a side is not a Battle, more a skirmish/platoon level action), and if not, will just retask the miniatures to UWZ (i can get Vulcan's again :)).
Roll on June/July - though my painting shedule will shot at that time.
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hehe! I cannot wait for June/July. :)
Yeah, there are a group of folks over at Excelsior planning to write in some of the new units into UWZ. I see no reason why you couldn't use those rules. It is still support for Prodos and in a way that best suits you.
Of course, I will always stand by the WZR rules as I do think they are great, but each to their own.
I think that 162K is representative of the type of fanbase WZR will have, smaller than perhaps other games at first, but very, very strong fans, willing to part with the majority of their 'hobby money' on this.
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Target Games, there is talk that they tried to get into Video Games in a big way, before video games became popular. This move led them to their destruction! I don't know how true that is though!
There was a real-time tactics WarZone game in development that got shelved, there are some screenshots floating around the web.
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I did not back the KS, and with my sizable WZ collection already painted and on my shelves, I did not think I would be that interested. However, I can say pretty definitively now that if I one day have the chance (and the money to go with it :D) I would pretty likely pick up some of the Cybertronic troops, the Martian Banshees, the Venusian Rangers, and those very pretty inquisitors from the Brotherhood. I really hope Prodos has much succcess with this and can bring Warzone back for a long time to come.
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There was a real-time tactics WarZone game in development that got shelved, there are some screenshots floating around the web.
Nah, Target (the parent company that housed Target Games, the makers of Warzone/Mutant Chronicles) were already big in to video game production. That Paradox (another arm of Target back when they existed) was the only surviving part of the company is a testament to how well they were doing at the time (there are some bits of Swedish bankruptcy law that had to do with Target Games dying while Paradox continued on; but I am not a lawyer). But in the end it was Target (the main, parent company of Target Games and Paradox among others) failing due to other business choices that killed Target Games at a vulnerable period of growth (plastic production was incredibly expensive at the time and Target Games was in the middle of expanding their current ranges and starting a new one).
But Paradox thrives today, and you may even think fondly of them if you are in to historical strategy/dynasty games since they are the creators/publishers of Crusader Kings, Europa Universalis and Hearts of Iron (among others). There was a short period of time back during the Excelsior days when Paradox was looking at doing an MMO, but that died quietly alongside Excelsior (which was also around the first time the movie was being discussed and was canned; its props to be used in Ghosts of Mars).
But out of all of the old stuff Target did, the PC games branch was the only bit of 'em that survived the collapse. It is a shame Paradox has never used their licenses to make proper games in the Chronopia and Mutant Chronicles universes. A game like Crusader Kings where you play a high-ranking family in one of the Megacorps would be a wonderful thing. It even has a similar dynamic going what with the Brotherhood being a stand-in (in terms of power and influence) for the Catholic Church and the Dark Legion working well as an Outside-of-Context problem for them to launch crusades against. Seems like it would be right up their alley.
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I couldn't back this but will be interested in the models when they become readily available.
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Well, Prodos Games are taking pre-orders now at:
http://warzonegame.com (http://warzonegame.com)
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Well, Prodos Games are taking pre-orders now at:
http://warzonegame.com (http://warzonegame.com)
Have you had the questionnaire for the Kickstarter yet?
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No, it was a little convuluted, so someone is currently working on a form you can fill in to suit their needs.
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If you are talking about Paradox you shouldn´t forget to mention that they own the rights to Conan and has been for a quite sometime.
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Not sure why that matters really? They own lots of liscenses!
Including the Expendables, I think!
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It's a bit silent on the Warzone front...we were so spoilt with previews and artwork...is this how cold turkey feels? ;)
More....MOOOOOOOORE!
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lol, I think there is a lot more focus now on the production side of things. More is on it's way though.
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Not sure why that matters really? They own lots of liscenses!
Including the Expendables, I think!
Because there are some postings in fantasy and other section about Conan miniatures... :)
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ahhhh! I see. :)
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Mitch Hunter and his dog, Pride.
Available for pre-order here: http://warzonegame.com/product/27/mitch-hunter-%26-pride.html (http://warzonegame.com/product/27/mitch-hunter-%26-pride.html)
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To have a more modern and realistic design is probably the right way to make this game (finally) successful. But kickstarters, missing Imperial forces and plastic figures are killing it for me right away. :-[
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Interesting...
Kickstarter was done so that more could be released. If it wasn't done, you would see 3 factions released, probably later than they would have been due to KS. KS has allowed Prodos to pump in more money than they had.
Imperial has been left off for now, because they have big plans for them. Believe me, it will be worth the wait.
Plastic (styrene) and Resin (polymer i.e. forgeworld/maxmini style) is being used because it is popular, high-quality and cost effective.
Glad you think that modernising is the right way to go. I agree. However, on your other points, from a relative 'insiders' point of view, I have to disagree. But we are all entitled to an opinion. :)
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Mitch Hunter and his dog, Pride
Mitch got a face lift I see. I sorta liked the ugly mug version that was shown first, but maybe they figured he'd scare the dog if he looked like this:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/projects/457746/posts/470061/image-250803-full.jpg?1367516363
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Because there are some postings in fantasy and other section about Conan miniatures... :)
I hope they go through and finalise this Warzone stuff properly and not rush into Conan too early.
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Okay the Mitch face is the only figure I have not liked from Prodos. They cant all be winners.. Still glad I pledged and looking forward to get my guys.
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I hope they go through and finalise this Warzone stuff properly and not rush into Conan too early.
Prodos Games has no intention at all of going into Conan.
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With apologies if this has already been covered (I couldn't find it), which figures will be plastic, and which will be resin? I understand that some of the figures were to be converted to plastic from the originally planned resin thanks to the success of the Kickstarter, but looking at the preorder store, everything is listed as resin (and i just can't get on with that stuff!).
Cheers!
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Hello!
As far as I know, it is just the Troops that you get in the Starter Boxes that will be plastic.
That is the following units:
Cybertronic Chasseurs (Unarmoured)
Capitol Light Infantry
Mishima Ronin Samurai
Bauhaus Hussars
Dark Legion Undead Legionnaires
Brotherhood Troopers
Everything else is planned to be cast in resin.
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Well, that's pretty much what I wanted to hear! Excellent - thanks, Rob.
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Good-o! :D
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Well, that Pledge Manager thingy is a little confusing, isn't it :?
It calculated the total cost of my Pledge to be £2.76 higher than the previously released Excel sheet did, taking the total over the amount I pledged, but then it didn't redirect me to PayPal to pay the remaining difference as I understood it should from the instruction e-mail. The order doesn't seem to have registered on Prodos site either, not even in the shopping cart bit.
Now I wonder how long I should wait for a confirmation e-mail until contacting Prodos about this...
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Had the smae problem (paypal button).
Has to do with a timeout occuring on the site. Second time wnet fine for me.
Nightmask
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Well, I did use a quite a bit of time checking and rechecking when the sums didn't add up so maybe that's indeed what caused the problem. Didn't see a timeout message tho. I suppose I'll have to redo then...
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You could contact Prodos. But I guess they didnt get your order.
I would give it a second try ( I did :) ) and see what happens.
Nightmask
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If your order shows in you account's order history and/or you got an order confirmation e-mail pretty much right away then it's safe to say they don't have mine yet. Otherwise, I suppose I'd better bother them with an e-mail about this before confusing the issue any more.
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Had no problems at all with the pledge calculator and placed my massive order. Can't wait!!!
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I had no issues, I pledged at just over Cartel and it added up exactly as expected. I even had 19P left, because I couldn't be bothered with the maths of adding 10%!!! ;D
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I had no problems with my pledge either... three close combat Vulkans... Get in there :)
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You'll need to get in there if they are CC ones!
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Since I haven't receive an order confirmation by now I think it's safe to say I'll have to redo the form. Still not sure why it calculates a different result from the Excel tho. The only thing I can think of is that they don't agree on what the effect of p&p should be on the discount. Well, no biggie now that I do know they won't agree.
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AFAIK the Excel form didn't calculate the pledge correctly. It had numerous mistakes and I couldn't get a good indication on what I could shop with my 'five heroes' pledge.
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You do not get a discount on Postage.
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Except perhaps in the Prodos Excel sheet. But like I said, I have no idea really why the result is different between it and the on-line calculator and really can't be bothered to try and find out :`
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Has everyone here finished filling their pledge manager out? I know Prodos are waiting on a few regulars here! :)
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Has everyone here finished filling their pledge manager out? I know Prodos are waiting on a few regulars here! :)
I tried using the system on the site and it was non-functional. So I sent it to an email address I was given but didn't receive any sort of confirmation. Hopefully somebody, somewhere has my info. :?
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Check the updates on Kickstarter, see if your username popped up in the list of unfinished orders.
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Check the updates on Kickstarter, see if your username popped up in the list of unfinished orders.
It did and I've been contacted. Hopefully all is well.
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:D
On the 24th June, the first batch will be sent out.
Hardback Rulebooks and PDF Rulebooks! :)
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These are good news!
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FINALLY WOOHOO!!
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Tabletop Nation in Hockley, Essex, are holding a show called 'Grumpy old wargamers' (don't ask, I chose not to!) and Prodos Games are attending with demo games of Warzone Resurrection.
See, for the first time in public, the rules for some of the models in the game, and give it a go.
Entry to the show is free, tickets can be found on the Tabletop Nation website.
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I hope there will be a lot of batreps full of pics 8)
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... Am I the only one being massively underwhelmed by these miniatures? :o
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Wow, that was productive and positive. Thanks for your feedback!
Any chance you can express why? Might help us with future ventures. :)
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I think the miniatures looks suprisingly good. I was not really psychhed about the new style compared to the old models. But I must admit they look great painted and on the battlegield.
:)
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@Rob -
Well, it's a matter of taste and these are not to my taste. But sure, for future reference in other ventures:
- All details are anything but crisp and seem rather muddled.
- The bare-chested Cybertronics seems to suffer from "3D-printing" disease with all too visible printlines on their arms and other metallic areas.
- The elongated skulls on some Cybertronic units
- The shortened/mutated skulls on the Legionaires
- More of a "Rackham/AT-43"-style than old-school Target style
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Ohh Shiny... :-*
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Its the paintjob on the green Cybertronic chassurs that make them look muddled. The blue ones and the dark legionares looks much better.
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I like what i see. Thanks for posting Rob. The blue-grey paintjob on the Armoured chasseurs is ace!
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@Rob -
Well, it's a matter of taste and these are not to my taste. But sure, for future reference in other ventures:
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- More of a "Rackham/AT-43"-style than old-school Target style
I somewhat agree with Phoenikuz on the style-matter - I also think they have a 'clicks'-like appearance.
To be fair, the models are of a contemporary sculpting-style, and they seem to fit with each other. I still think most of them are too far away from the original concepts for my liking (I think it would have been possible to 'modernize' the sculpts without drifting so far from the old imagery), and I think the armoured chasseurs look more like a kind of space rangers/marines than actual cyborgs, but they undoubtedly will be to the taste of some.
I do not 'not like' the minis as such - had they been made for a new game/setting I would have no reservations, I just happen to like the original setting/imagery a lot.
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Its the paintjob on the green Cybertronic chassurs that make them look muddled. The blue ones and the dark legionares looks much better.
This made me smile, the blue ones are mine. :D
Thanks for the feedback guys. It's understandable that not everyone will like them and that is completely fair. :)
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I do not 'not like' the minis as such - had they been made for a new game/setting I would have no reservations, I just happen to like the original setting/imagery a lot.
Argh, I think that is pretty much spot on!
But to take up a game like Warzone is a pretty big thing to do. No doubt it will be hard to please everyone.
I think the modernized way is probably the right way to go, if the plans are to have a game that need to survive more than "just" for old school hardcore fans.
I look forward to see where this is going and wish the best of luck. :)
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I am not going to win any friends amongst the old Warzone fans here but here goes...
Amongst the hundreds of old Warzone miniatures, how many actually look good enough to buy in today's modern market place?
I like the Vulkan battle suits and the plastic trenchers but crikey there are some dire sculpts amongst the rest. Chunky, out of proportion miniatures wearing ridiculously oversized shoulder armour and carrying massively oversized weapons... flat poses and some bizarre poses too.
I understand nostalgia but why would you want to take such a massive step backwards?
Now, I know it is a taste thing but just look at Starship Troopers. Think to yourself what makes a mobile infantryman and I bet if everyone gave their ideas, most would be completely different. Yes the Warzone artwork is there to look at but just because a drawing is stylised, it doesn't mean the troops have to be.
I can't see the pix at the moment so can't comment on the details but I have seen them in WIP and can at least say that they have good proportions and have some proper design behind them.
This whole project has brought out the chalk and cheese fan-base. But to you old-school fans, please feel free to post a link to some well proportioned, old-school, warzone miniatures with reasonable armour and carrying reasonably sized weaponry to prove me wrong.
No matter what anyone says, at least these are more wargame oriented that the last attempt with 54mm pre-painted plastc.
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This whole project has brought out the chalk and cheese fan-base. But to you old-school fans, please feel free to post a link to some well proportioned, old-school, warzone miniatures with reasonable armour and carrying reasonably sized weaponry to prove me wrong.
Models doesn't necessarily have to be well proportioned to be cool ;) And about reasonable armour and size of weapons, that thing is pretty much still going on in loads of new lines of models.
I don't think people who prefer the old models to the new does so because they feel the old are more realistic. I think it is a matter of style, the old Warzone minis is just the way people think this should be.
I like the new AND the old models, but the old models say Warzone to me, the new says, ehm, something else, something new.
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I like the new AND the old models, but the old models say Warzone to me, the new says, ehm, something else, something new.
Actually, that really sums it up a lot better. It's just like the current trend of remaking movies in order to reboot a movie as a franchise (btw. remember when movies were just that - a movie and not a merchandice commercial?); it leaves to a certain number of expectations among those who remember the original first time around and then they (like me) become underwhelmed when said expectations are not met.
Although, in this particular case, then I just don't care much for the current "new style" of "realistic" miniatures made by 3D-printers; they look soulless and flat and no manner of painting technique can ever salvage that.
... I'll leave the thread now, grumbling in my "cranky old man" tone of voice and mutter something about "young whippersnappers don't know anything more!" ;)
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I think the overwhelming majority of the figures look rather awesome and very much up-to-date, stylewise. The painted pics do a lot to help that, although the "staged" ones published in the books and magazines did a better job of showcasing the figures (mind you, there was some absolutely dire reproduction quality in some parts of the 2ed books).
I'm personally more interested in seeing the figures on general release rather than the books (which don't really do anything for me, it's the minis I'm excited about).
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Why a mini has to be realistic to be a good mini ? ??? On LAF there is a lot of really cool, nicely painted warzone minis, from 1st and 2nd edition.
I don't think people who prefer the old models to the new does so because they feel the old are more realistic. I think it is a matter of style, the old Warzone minis is just the way people think this should be.
I share this opinion. But I also wish all the best to the new range :)
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I am not going to win any friends amongst the old Warzone fans here but here goes...
Amongst the hundreds of old Warzone miniatures, how many actually look good enough to buy in today's modern market place?
I still think most of them are too far away from the original concepts for my liking (I think it would have been possible to 'modernize' the sculpts without drifting so far from the old imagery),
I agree - many sculpts were awful by today's standards, but I have to disagree on the notion that the models should not correspond to the imagery, style-wise. The perfect war game is, at least to me, one where fluff, rules, and models fit together completely. The fluff sets the mood for the game, and if the models (or the ruleset) does not support that mood, it takes a lot of the incentive away for actually playing a game.
As for nice old sculpts, the first ed. blood berets, and the 1st ed. Capitol infantry are still among my favourites, and not far from the standards of many contemporary minis.
As for realism: Come on - how many other tech-fantasy, sci-fi, or fantasy minis are really that realistic?
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Rather than realistic, I would say proportionally realistic.
Mutant Chronicles is a dark setting, it was always meant to be a 'Techno-fantasy/horror' background, which I do not think Kev Adams, Tim Prow etc could pull off. Kev White could have done, I am sure, but he came in much later with a brief to make the minis fit in with the rest!
I will point out, I am a big fan of Kev Adams and Tim Prow, just not for Warzone!
Although, I do have quite a few of the old models, which I have bought very recently from Prince August, just because I like them.
...aaaaand, the new models have been okayed by Frederick Malmberg, creator of Mutant Chronicles. ;)
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Allot of the models visually remind me of the later quake games, not that it is a bad thing, being new to warzone (it sort of stopped around when I started waisting money on 40k) I like the new look compared to the old, as I never grew up on around the old models, a handful are superb, a handful are poor the rest are fine for what they are,,the same as any miniature range.
I'll save further thoughts for when/if I can afford a starter set when they appear.
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I am not suggesting that the models shouldn't correspond to the background/imagery either. However, if you have an artist who doesn't draw things in proportion, it doesn't mean that the sculpts shouldn't be in proportion either... and vice versa.
This is Warzone 'the next version' not 'the original warzone brought back to life' (although the title of this new game does contradict that ;)... which was the biggest mistake of the entire project, in my opinion; setting expectations of a continuation of the original game in its entirety, including the style of the miniatures... Warzone Evolution/Evolved/A New Start/The Next Generation would have been better titles)... maybe evolution has occurred in the meantime?
If the new imagery matches the new miniatures, then things are as they should be, surely?
I'm a serviceman. A lot of changes happen in military circles over relatively short periods of time so you may end up with different modification standards of equipment that look 'almost' the same but aren't quite. Look at the evolution of the british Harrier jump-jet. over its life it had many changes but it still looked like a harrier and was called a harrier, even though the wings were extended, a dual cockpit was added (for trainers), the nose cone changed (sea-harrier), etc...
... and that doesn't even touch on artistic lisence and interpretation of the design brief.
But when all is said and done, we all like what we like and don't like what we don't like and the world would be a horrid place if it wasn't like that :) .
I still maintain that if the title had been different (Resurrection suggests bringing the OLD game back to life) there would have been less expectation from old school players and I think it was a little unfair to a fan base that enjoyed the old school game. As much as I like the new Vulkans, I was expecting the old style so was a little disappointed when the design was so radically changed... but that expectation was generated by the 'resurrection' in the title... so I can understand the disappointment from the Old School Posse.
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Maybe it is called Resurrection for more than one reason, i.e. the resurrection of a game that at least commercially (as far as the IP owners were concerned) and with regard to its fluff progression was 'dead', but also other reasons that will become clear as the game and story behind it progresses.
I disagree that it was unfair to call it a resurrection and to do so mislead old fans. Any resurrection results in something different to the original (at least I can think of none that don't). I think that the word that best describes the new is 'Re-imagining', but lets be honest Warzone Re-Imagined' would be a rubbish title. It also could have just been called 'Warzone' ala the rebooted 'Battlestar Gallactica', which again was very different to the original of the 70s. But this I think would have been even more misleading if your point is correct.
And remember this new version of Warzone does not preclude the older versions or their models from being used. Infact we the team behind WZR have done our upmost to ensure that old models can be used in the new game and vice versa.
Really all that WZR does is allow more choice for the WZ fan. New models and a new rule set, why is that bad? No one has to buy the new (or the old), but WZR has generated a lot of new interest in the IP and lets be honest everything WZ. Lets not beat up people who choose new or who choose old.
Another point: The difference between WZR and UWZ is so more apparent than other long serving systems because of the long hiatus. Theres people out there who choose to play say GW 40k version 2 with those versions of models, does it matter to them that there are 6 versions in total and a lot of new and different models.
If we also go back to GW in the time of WZ Ed 1 and 2 their models also looked a lot different (dreadnaught, necron, orks terminators, LR Rhinos for example) and when comparing WZR to older versions of WZ there are a lot more new stuff (GW flyers, tank variants, new units etc).
Things change, arguably they progress! I love some of the old models and have spent many hours painting them, I also love the new, but I personally am pleased to have new life in WZ and the new communities, models and rules it results in.
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What he said!
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Agreed to all points!
8)
BTW - Any news on the shipping dates?
The KS always said: "Estimated delivery: Jun 2013".
I doubt that all minis will be shipped within the next 2 weeks, or? ;)
So please give us an update - if possible via the KS! :)
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Don't worry, they're giving an update when they have a good feeling of times. :)
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If we also go back to GW in the time of WZ Ed 1 and 2 their models also looked a lot different (dreadnaught, necron, orks terminators, LR Rhinos for example) and when comparing WZR to older versions of WZ there are a lot more new stuff (GW flyers, tank variants, new units etc).
I really think the point of comparing Warzone changes with GW changes is pretty invalid in this discussion though. Since it seems most people on this forum is sticking to Rogue Trader and the older genereations of 40K, before it changed too much.
;)
Most of your other points are fine in my book though.
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Don't worry, they're giving an update when they have a good feeling of times. :)
I am afraid that this will not be enough for many who pledged!
:?
The estimated delivery date is - of course - estimated, but as soon as it comes closer you have to give at least an update, or even better deliver something! ;)
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Is there any french translation project planned for the rules (and future addons) ?
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The first Praetorian Renders were rendered badly by the sculptor and they had to be redone.
First renders:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v673/EasyEight/PraetorianStalkers_zps53927169.jpg)
New actual sculpts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr5Mi42GoME&feature=youtu.be
The difference is enormous!. I think the lovers of old Warzone will love these, they are so true to the old style :-*
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So looking forward to this arriving through my door when its ready..was hesitant at first but now..
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I am honestly getting a bit disappointed.
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All renders and preview booklets are fine enough, but I would have preferred some models in my hands. They do not have to send all I pledged for at once, but something in June or July would have been nice!
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It would cost extra postage... and they have quoted the end of August on many occasions.
Yes, it woulb be great to have my Vulkans already but I'm prepared to wait... it isn't as if I don't have a lead pile to be getting on with :)
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It would cost extra postage... and they have quoted the end of August on many occasions.
Ahem - the Kickstarter announced clearly: "Estimated delivery: Jun 2013".
In a way it was the condition under all of us pledged, or?
;)
Yes they sended a message about the reasons of the late delivery but I would have loved the Option to get at least some minis out earlier.
Even the " Official Basic Rules PDF " which is not slowed down by flooded Printers etc is not yet delivered, we still have only some pdfs, whith disclaimers that the final product will be better looking etc.
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This is EXACTLY the reason I held off pledging: My KS experiences have been plagued by incessant delays, fuzzy estimates, evasive communication... Loads of good intentions - not enough business-sense. I'll happily plunk down my cash when The WarStore has models 'in stock'.
I agree with Agis - customers, esp. those who've already paid, deserve concise communication. They shouldn't have to hunt it down or get it third-hand.
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We have been giving concise information and regular updates via Kickstarter, our Website and Facebook page.
Kickstarter Pledgers have NEVER had to hunt down information. If they have needed clarity, we have ensured that all private messages are answered.
We could have sent all of the PDF rulepacks out at once, however, they were really not up to scratch. We have had to extensively proofread and edit them. The only good thing about the print delay is that it allows us to proofread for a little longer and ensure the rules are as tight as possible.
I have to say, I feel a little bit like I am in the Lion's Pit, which is something I didn't expect on this forum. :(
If you have any issues, worries or concerns, please voice them here or PM me if the details are a bit sensitive. I work for Prodos Games full time now, a move that was made to help move things forward at a better rate, so I have constant access to the information you need.
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We have been giving concise information and regular updates via Kickstarter, our Website and Facebook page.
Kickstarter Pledgers have NEVER had to hunt down information. If they have needed clarity, we have ensured that all private messages are answered.
We could have sent all of the PDF rulepacks out at once, however, they were really not up to scratch. We have had to extensively proofread and edit them. The only good thing about the print delay is that it allows us to proofread for a little longer and ensure the rules are as tight as possible.
I have to say, I feel a little bit like I am in the Lion's Pit, which is something I didn't expect on this forum. :(
If you have any issues, worries or concerns, please voice them here or PM me if the details are a bit sensitive. I work for Prodos Games full time now, a move that was made to help move things forward at a better rate, so I have constant access to the information you need.
No Lion's Pit here. I related personal experiences with other KS that contributed to my reluctance toward WZ:R. I detected echoes of them in Agis' concerns. For example: if the campaign estimate stated JULY, it's reasonable to expect product at that time or clear explanation regarding any delay. That's all.
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Don't see what the fuss is, you'll get your stuff when you get it, no sooner no later, until then you just wait patiently like an adult and see what happens, I'm more than happy to wait for my pre-orders, even if they get cut back till next year, don't bother me, prodos will do what they can when they can to get your toys out, so until they do go play with something else.
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What's the fuss about? Didn't anybody read Prodos statements about their strokes of bad luck?
1. Our designated book manufacturer (in the Czech Republic) has flooded, knocking their and so our schedule back for the book and the cards.
2. Unfortunately one of our freelance sculptors has defrauded us, meaning that 6 units, including the Praetorian Stalkers, Valkyries and Dr Diana have needed to be re-sculpted. All are inhand, and Golgotha is already in production.
3. Our 3D printer broke down. It is fixed now but after a 5 day down period.
Terrible bad luck, but it can happen. And yes, it leads to delays.
And IMO this is inherent to Kickstarter. You're backing starting entrepreneurs with good ideas (no, I don't consider the Cool Mini Or Not Kickstarters good examples of what Kickstarters are...these are just a simple pre-order system to collect loads of cash). Warzone is a good example of the merits of Kickstarter.
They probably couldn't have started out without the funding. But since they are small and starting, anything that happens to the production line affects the ETA.
And seriously, people really expected it to arrive on time? I hoped for a September release, so I'm a hapy backer. There are so many Kickstarter and Indigogo campaigns that didn't arrive in time. Take the Massive Voodoo Indigogo project. ETA was Christmas, the book arrived late June. But what a great product and well worth the wait.
*Edit*
Capitol Infantry:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WjhtE5AvCc
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That infantry looks really nice. :)
I didn't pledge or anything, but I'm likely to buy some once they are for general release for generic science-fictionning.
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Perfectly happy with the level of information the Prodos, and Rob have been giving out. Yes, estimated dates got changed, but as mentioned in other posts, this is not uncommon in KS projects (don't think I've been in one that actually hit the nail on the head time wise yet).
I'm actually in this more for the miniatures than the rules (though will give them a try - usually play UWZ (3rd) as that's what everyone else plays), and am happy with the information given. Yes, as Agis said, I would like to see more 'in the flesh' models, but the fact that we're getting regular updates on everything and Prodos have been very straight up about ANY issues they have had actually gives me more hope.
Prodos, and all, bring it on ! - loving what you've don, and really looking forward to having to find storage for all the stuff I pledged for (and that was a lot)
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And seriously, people really expected it to arrive on time?
Hmmm, I absolutely expected to get at least some minis in June. ::)
To get nothing was indeed a bit of a disapointment. :-[
I agree that the Information Level is forthcoming and some things are out of Prodos Hands but the lack of any minis are a bit on the disappointing side.
But maybe I am to eagerly awaiting the new Wz minis! 8) 8)
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haha, I know!
You got some early though mate, and yours are rare as hen's teeth as they actually got reprinted. Yours are roughly 7% smaller than the new versions. :D
Cheers for the support folks, I will try to post more frequently on LAF to keep you up to date.
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Here is the most recent render; Hiroko Captain of Mishima!
(http://warzonegame.com/images/produkty/big/084b6fbb10729ed4da8c3d3f5a3ae7c9.jpg)
We have more renders coming sooooon!
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He makes me happy in my man regions...its a friggin samurai with a sniper rifle.....Ooooooooooh baby
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and 2 Machine Pistols, don't forget 2 Machine Pistols!!!
You just wait and see what is coming up. OH MY GOD.
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I never got into Warzone back in the day simply because of income issues - all of my hobby budget was going into my Space Wolves - but this new version looks great. I simply don't "do" Kickstarter, but I will buy Warzone stuff when it gets to retail. Good Luck!
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Is the (pre-order) online store functional?
I want to put my wallet where my mouth is and pre-order some capitol troopers. But since there's no info on shipping costs and the like, I'm wondering if it's really live.
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Yes, it is live. I believe shipping is worked out at the end? If not, I will let the web-guys know.
However, we are still taking Kickstarter Orders until 31st August at 12 midnight UK time.
Simply email mark.rapson@prodos.co.uk with your order, and he will help you. You will be entitled to any 'Kickstarter Only' deals there too.
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Thank you! Will do! :D
Looks like I have a mission to accomplish tomorrow at work: study the Warzone kickstarter. o_o
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If you need any help or advice, just send me a PM. :)
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Yes, it is live. I believe shipping is worked out at the end? If not, I will let the web-guys know.
However, we are still taking Kickstarter Orders until 31st August at 12 midnight UK time.
Simply email mark.rapson@prodos.co.uk with your order, and he will help you. You will be entitled to any 'Kickstarter Only' deals there too.
That is very interesting to hear. They have turned my opinion of the reboot around for the most part. I may just indulge in some Resurrection goodies next month around birthday time.
Thanks for the heads-up Rob.
~Eric
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Not a problem, glad to hear it!
We are all very passionate about Mutant Chronicles, fun games and beautiful miniatures! :)
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Mishima Meka
(http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1012432_10152566526102195_1207809266_n.jpg)
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Hmm the Meka is IMO under par. ::-I
For me the feet are too small, legs and arms are OK.
The body is ay too round and egglike for my taste...
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Mishima Meka
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Print or render?
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Looks awesome.
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Superb.
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This one is a render!
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Here's a render with both the Meka and Ronin. Gives you a good indication of its size:
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I love how the Ronin came out. They are going to be stunning models. :)
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I made the right choice pre-ordering mishima through my local.
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Yep!
I will be visiting your local tomorrow, with Mark Rapson. We are going to drop off some demo goodies! :)
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This one is a render!
Thanks for the answer. 8)
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Here's a render of the Free Marines. These guys are a penal regiment, who rather than face execution, are signed up into the Free Marines, where they must engage in 'do or die' missions!
It's safe to say, they are meant to be mental hard-cases!
When they are printed, they will have more leg and body variants.
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Miniatures painted by one of our independent stockists, Questing Knight Games in Telford, UK.
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Hi
those Praetorian Stalkers are great, I am planning to buy those even if won't play Dark Legion
Any chance for comparison shoots against old WZ minis ?
Cheers T
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The mecha looks nice, but I don't care for the all-too-common minigun arm. I don't understand the ceaseless obsession with miniguns/cannons on every single robot people make! lol
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Well, the gatling has indeed become a staple of science fantasy genre in particular -- to the point of being a cliche -- but to be fair to designers at Prodos, it's been an integral part of Warzone from the get go.
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Hi
those Praetorian Stalkers are great...
I really like them too.
Golgotha however is not my thing, I like my old WZ mini of her more, but as you said a direct comparison would help.
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I must agree with the Golgotha miniature. It's a bit meh, especially when compared to the original. The praetorian stackers are cracking but not to sure about the skinny sculpts for the likes of the legionnaires.
I know its old hat but the classic sculpts had a chunkiness that really fitted their concept art while the new ones, while technically more well done, seem to lack a bit of the character of the older stuff.
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So, what's available to buy now?
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So, what's available to buy now?
Nothing! :-[
So far only pics and some pdfs...
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Yup. I too am eager to get a few minis (not for Warzone, but other project), but I can wait.
At least it looks like these guys at Prodos are seriously working to get everything ready for a big release. Bear in mind that the KS was more succesful than expected, and that always pushes releases dates back.
This is not Defiance Games we're talking about... lol
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Yep, way more successful than anticipated, minis are coming soon.
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Golgotha however is not my thing, I like my old WZ mini of her more, but as you said a direct comparison would help.
Wasn't Golgotha a Kev White sculpt? Warzone and Chronopia was my first exposure to his work. Heh heh. Exposure. What a fitting word.
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I thought Tim Prow sculpted Golgotha.
Kev's Warzone models are tiny compared to the others.
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I am really eager to paint some mishima, still not entirely sure on what colours, I know the cloth with be a very military green, but other than that, I am not sure
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Thanks for the reply, I'm looking to use some as former humans in my not yet started Doom collection.
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Sounds cool mate!
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Those Free Marines would make perfect Glimmer Rats. And yes, those P. Stalkers are perfect.
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Werne Klocke sculpted the Golgotha and the Stahler. It was before he was made famous with reaper and freebooter, doing work for excaliber and 15mm fantasy.
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Ahhh found my old stuff the other day and sooo looking forward to getting my new stuff
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Those Free Marines would make perfect Glimmer Rats. And yes, those P. Stalkers are perfect.
Ha! Haven't though of Glimmer Rats for years! 8)
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Same here, but I just picked up the hardcover from Amazon.
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Werne Klocke sculpted the Golgotha and the Stahler. It was before he was made famous with reaper and freebooter, doing work for excaliber and 15mm fantasy.
Yep, I can see that now! Definitely one of his!
I cannot WAIT to make a new version of Stahler!
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Nozaki
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Original artwork:
(http://doomtrooperdb.altervista.org/img/cards/en/warzone/lordnozaki.jpg)
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not quite 100% sold on the folds of the jackets tails
I can see what you mean, but a nice personality figure, probably also useable for other settings. I think it has a hint of Fading Suns and maybe a whiff of Frank Herbert to it.
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Loads of potential uses!
I know the coat looks odd and quite thick, but once printed it will resemble folded material similar to what wargamers are used to. :)
Thanks for posting, I think we have done him justice!
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I'm so excited...I...could crush grape
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He looks like the old Eisenhorn figure.
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Mitch Hunter and Pride, painted by a very talented man!
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Mitch Hunter ain't blond! How are we supposed to take you seriously after that!;) lol
Apart from that, very nice figure and superb paintjob.
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Good point!
Don't worry, in his fluff, he is tall, dark and handsome; just as you like him! ;)
In all seriousness, glad you like him, we certainly do!
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Don't worry, in his fluff, he is tall, dark and handsome; just as you like him! ;)
lol *swoon*
Seriously though, I think this figure is rather nice, and far less top-heavy than the original with that huge shotgun. I would possibly replace the handgun with a shotgun, but use a properly proportioned one (Foundry or Hasslefree) for it. Or does the figure come with optional right hands?
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Unfortunately not, but we hope to make variant models of some heroes with other weapons.
I would love to see Big Bob with a Nimrod Autocannon, for example.
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OK, with the latest characters, I'm beginning to thaw a bit... Now let me see some Imperials that look like they mean business (puns intended)!
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:D
Imperial will come, soooooon!
You can actually start your Imperial army now! They are allowed a squad of Brotherhood Troopers or Valkyries. Equally, there is the Limited Edition Blood Beret Doomtrooper, that can be built as Andrew Drougan (with Plasma Invader) or Michael Farraday (with Chainripper).
Really glad you like them!
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The Mishima Meka and a couple of Ronin friends:
(http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/8199/z9pz.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/834/z9pz.jpg/)
The Behemoth and Judicator: (model in the fore ground 28mm)
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't see any pic comparing (scale and size) old school warzone and modern Resurection minis ?
Some models would be nice additions to my classic collection, but I'm not sure about size.
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That's a small behemoth - I have the old resin one - but it has a better stance.
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The behemoth is now much more usable! :)
We have made it so you can field multiples in your army.
Prodos Games have made no comparison shots of old vs new. Agis made some, but they are exempt because his subject (Vince) had been heightened and our Undead Legionnaires have been made bigger!
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That's a small behemoth - I have the old resin one - but it has a better stance.
Also have the old one, but I think this model has more mass than the old one. The old one is quite high, but mainly due to the arms and immensely thick base. The body itself isn't that big.
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I may be wrong, but my impression was that this figure was measured against the old one during rendering.
Would be interesting to see it compared to the old one when people get them. :)
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The first inaugural Warzone Resurrection show!
We have an exciting day lined up, with special help from our friends and supporters at Questing Knight Games. They are hosting a huge number of games for the day, which will be an exciting bring and battle themed event. There will be demonstration games of Warzone Resurrection on the go, meet the designers and a painting competition.
There will be Doomtrooper games going on, Mutant Chronicles RPG games going on and most exciting of all, the release of our Convention only model, the Brotherhood Archangel.
The Brotherhood Archangel is the first in line for a collectable range of yearly Convention only miniatures. He will be supplied with cards and missions so that you can use him in your games of Warzone Resurrection.
We have already had some guys say they have planned their travel from Scandinavia and the USA, so it is really shaping up to be a great day!
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I'll certainly be going
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMVL4dm1ZHo
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Thanks for posting those pal, unfortunately I forget too so it really helps! :)
Anywho, we are beginning to ship products on the 21st September (2 days before my bday!).
We will be sending rulebooks and cards as part of the second wave. It's a hard move to make, but we think that given the projects we want to now move onto, it has gone waiting long enough.
We will contact you when your pledge reward is ready to go!
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Mechs are nice,Miniatures are rubbish imho i've seen better Heroclix Figs :?
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IMO the mini's are great, but the paintjobs can be better. Prodos needs to get more paint on their stuff done! (or use people who do it for them *hint* :P)
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Oh my, this is getting more and more disappointing. :? :-I
The current pics are not really helping ... Only thing I now know is that basecolours plus one dip is NOT doing the job! ;) ;) ;)
Hopefully the final minis will be better! 8)
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Mechs are nice,Miniatures are rubbish imho i've seen better Heroclix Figs :?
Then go play heroclix, these are better than the hole filled, broken, undetailed junk FW pulls out their backsides.
I love the models personally, and have been extremely impressed with stuff we have seen and the models like Angela who are painted by talented people, and I cannot wait to see allot more.
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I do think Prodos has missed a bit of an opportunity here. If they had spent a bit of cash to get some good pro painting done on the figures they would probably be getting much more positive responses from folks.
The dipped figs are all fine and well for ones own collection or store stock but if you are trying to promote your game and range, you REALLY need to show it at its best!
Look at the old Warzone stuff, despite its iffy sculpting of figs, they were always presented either exceptionally well painted or as inked lead!
All the best!
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So far I've only found a use for the Mishima Mecha, and that's even at a bit of a stretch. I'm still massively underwhelmed by this whole undertaking - but I'm not much for voicing said opinion in fear of fanboy retribution lol
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Then go play heroclix, these are better than the hole filled, broken, undetailed junk FW pulls out their backsides.
Pheww, cool down please! ::)
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I do think Prodos has missed a bit of an opportunity here. If they had spent a bit of cash to get some good pro painting done on the figures they would probably be getting much more positive responses from folks.
Can't agree more!
Too many renders shown and too few good painted minis!
And I am a fanboy ;) ;) and eagerly awaiting my minis!
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The Stalkers are OK, I guess, and to some extent the Legionaires.
I'm still not sold on the Capitol stuff. The Banshees just look weird to me.
I think I have the old Golgotha (Her skin should be White, btw.), and Stahler somewhere...
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i dont mind an average PJ,what bothers me is Stuff like this,i mean really wtf are they?the New Martian Banshees?Ridiculous really >:( >:(
(http://imageshack.us/a/img21/869/nw5h.jpg)
and i thought these were bad...
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... Those are Martian Banshees? :o
... Where's my pitchfork!
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i dont mind an average PJ,what bothers me is Stuff like this,i mean really wtf are they?the New Martian Banshees?Ridiculous really >:( >:(
They look more like a skinny version of the Immaculate Fury of old, to be honest.
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They look more like a skinny version of the Immaculate Fury of old, to be honest.
with Capitol Rifles? ;)
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with Capitol Rifles? ;)
As I wrote, skinny. Apart from the rifles, nothing really says 'Mutant Chronicles Capitol'.
As I have stated before, to me, much of the strength of the setting was in the cheesy toungue-in-cheek cliché-ish self-ironic cartoonishness of the as well graphic as written presentations of the universe. I simply cannot find that in minis like most of these.
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Sigh... the more I look at it, the more horrible it becomes. And it saddens me, because I had really hoped for Warzone to finally get out of it's limbo and back into general publication and consumption. Ah well, not this time either - perhaps it's best to let it go to rest, peacefully :)
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You do know that you can still buy the sculpts from Prince August, don't you?
Or were you expecting Prodos to just buy the molds from Prince August?
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You do know that you can still buy the sculpts from Prince August, don't you?
Or were you expecting Prodos to just buy the molds from Prince August?
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No, but I was hoping that they - to some extend - would look like the old Warzone miniatures. I mean, we are talking about dreaming here, right? ;)
I know full well that they can be picked up at Prince August; I was just hoping that with Prodos, a kickstarter and some more exposure then this setting would get out to the public in the likes of Warmachine, Malifaux and Warhammer and thus giving me a new - and better - choice for a consumer-game to play :)
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Gentlemen, let me firstly state that the painting you are currently running down is not official Warzone Resurrection painting, instead that of a fan! I really think to be so aggressively nasty about another's ability is really unkind!
Equally, when we shared some early casts with a member on here, he deliberately tried to make WZR models look tiny by photographing them next to an old and yet converted (to make taller) old model. We trusted that he would show them in a fair light, we were proven wrong.
We have model professionally painted and currently at over 9.2 on C'MON.tommorow I will post them here.
As for the statements regarding, tOo many renders not enough models. This project started 7 months ago and now has over 200 different sculpt, most of which are in productions ( the rest will be by the end of the month). In the good old days, this line would not even be launched yet, but due to KS, we have all known about it for a long while before launch and people have kindly pledged to get It out here.
Remember this is A new version of WZ not the old. The old has always been here and is still available in model and rule form, like the old play the old, like the new play the new. But why the need to be so dismissive of something a lot of people are excited about and something a lot of people have worked very hard on? If you don't like it (whether it be old or new WZ or something else) leave it alone and go and get positive and excited about something you do!
7 months! With lots done and a lot yet to do
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Gentlemen, let me firstly state that the painting you are currently running down is not official Warzone Resurrection painting, instead that of a fan! I really think to be so aggressively nasty about another's ability is really unkind!
This I can fully understand and I do think people are a bit too harsh in their critizing the paintjobs. But the problem, as is, is that these paintjobs are part of the first unveiling of a new series of miniatures that has a lot of high hopes going for it. It is the standard procedure to showcase your models with paintjobs that do not obscure the details - fanmade or otherwise.
Equally, when we shared some early casts with a member on here, he deliberately tried to make WZR models look tiny by photographing them next to an old and yet converted (to make taller) old model. We trusted that he would show them in a fair light, we were proven wrong.
(http://www.agisn.de/assets/images/Warzone_Undead_Legionnaire_Size.jpg)
I know this isn't the picture you are referring to, but to me this showcase fairly and squarely what said member recieved from you, without any photographic tricks of the sort; I assume that the other picture referred to was taken solely to underline his statement about these miniatures being too slender when compared to other brands (not only WZ1st & 2nd) out there - you know, a fully normal scale shot.
As for the statements regarding, tOo many renders not enough models...
People are distrustful of vaporware issues when it comes to renders; there have been a lot of false starts in this here hobby when it comes to 3D-printing and prototype-renders and what not. So, when the end result is shaky and have a tendency to be hyped out of porportions, then I can fully see why people lament about the number of renders vs. actual models.
Remember this is A new version of WZ not the old. The old has always been here and is still available in model and rule form, like the old play the old, like the new play the new. But why the need to be so dismissive of something a lot of people are excited about and something a lot of people have worked very hard on? If you don't like it (whether it be old or new WZ or something else) leave it alone and go and get positive and excited about something you do!
While I do applaud the sentiment at the end of this text, then I'd like to remind you, sir, that this is an independent (of sorts) publicly available forum for discussion of all things mininatures related. It's a good one and there's a lot of posters here - and thus also viewers - which makes it a good place to showcase miniatures. However, the caveat is that baring actual copyright theft or similar unlawful acts, then you're free to talk about stuff as you see fit and please. Now, we're all gentlemen here, but it should still be okay for any consumer, on a public forum, to state their opinion on something!
Granted, there can be a call for more civil comments, but in short, it is to be expected that people are going to either like or dislike any given product, paintjob, conversion or what have you. Especially when you, as a company, decide to revive an old franchise that still has a lot of die-hard fans out there on the internet. I'm sorry, but if you feel it is unfair for people to compare your version of Warzone to the old version, then you should never have attempted to relaunch it in the first place. It is a stigma that will continue to follow it, especially since there's not really that much new under the sun for this version of Warzone. I mean, there are no new mega-corps, no new dark gods, no alternate timeline or what have you. To my eyes and mind, it's a relaunch, with re-sculpts; fair enough, but that doesn't make it new, as such.
(this was a jab at me, either getting on or getting off which has since been edited away from prosperity, which in my mind is a terrible shame)
See, this is where I can't help myself but to get on my high horse and don the white knight armor.
The attitude that was presented in the edited part was most likely a result of tempers running hot, which I can fully understand when you have worked hard and long on something only to have an old fan, like me, dismiss it. But how exactly is that helping your company?
Sure - if I was going out, spamming my views across all manner of forums and mailinglists and what not, you know, deliberately trying to derail your campaign for a new Warzone, then I could understand a defensive stance. However, I am only expressing my viewpoints and my nagging feeling of this being hyped out of porportions to promote a quick sell and hope it'll pass muster long enough to keep a company afloat.
That's not company policy? Then why the need to defend every little critiscm in such a manner that I find myself being rather uneasy about dealing with all of this in the first place? It brings to mind the saying: "If there's smoke...", and I'm now looking for the fire. Warzone is stigmatized already by having burned a lot of FLGS and distributors back in ye olden times, not helped at all when the Ultimate Edition or Fantasy Flights' whatever-it-was. In short, Warzone now has such a stigmatized ring to it in the consumers mind (or, at the very least in the stores) that it has a lot of reputation to live up to.
So, when I as a fan hear that a new company, with new ideas and all that is finally attempting once more to relaunch a beloved franchise I cannot help but be distrustful, yet hopeful, as to what this relaunch will entail. But then, when you see the actual product and you find it to be sub-par, then you cannot help but voice your feelings towards said product; especially since you had hoped for it to succeed!
It is not meant to be a bashing for the bashings sake, but it was intended to be a voicing of my opinion with which you could have done two things with: Ignore it or take it to heart. Either would have been just fine, dandy and to be expected really. It's subjective after all, and thus you cannot win said argument in any way.
However.
When you choose to get defensive then I can't help but wonder what it is that makes it worth your time to respond to. And that alone is what makes me back out of this all together now. I'm not much for slandering any product, but I do like to voice my own opinion, on a public forum, if I so choose.
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Equally, when we shared some early casts with a member on here, he deliberately tried to make WZR models look tiny by photographing them next to an old and yet converted (to make taller) old model. We trusted that he would show them in a fair light, we were proven wrong.
yeah blame Agis,or Rob or anyone ::)
We have model professionally painted and currently at over 9.2 on C'MON.tommorow I will post them here.
so what?If your Minis only shine with a Pro pj then they're still useless to me :'(
This project started 7 months ago and now has over 200 different sculpt, most of which are in productions ( the rest will be by the end of the month)
yep,and thats how they look like-rushed :? Not to mention the Design Changes,the Scale Changes,the "these aren't final-they'll look much better" Slogans...
But why the need to be so dismissive of something a lot of people are excited about and something a lot of people have worked very hard on? If you don't like it (whether it be old or new WZ or something else) leave it alone and go and get positive and excited about something you do!
Sorry,not trying to being rude here,just honest ::) Like i said before i'm really looking forward to the Vehicles,and the Rules of course. :)
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I agree with the sentiments about there should be better paintjobs in the beginning. You have put a lot of money into this project and I think 95% of the models rock. So to send them out to fans that do a normal human paintjob on them does not help your product hype. You should get the models painted professionally before you have them seen on the internet (even if that means not sending people minis ahead of time except your propainter). Then once you have your version for everyone to see and get excited about then the rest of the normal paintjobs won't hurt your business. For example you have this:
(http://www.coolminiornot.com/339948) and you have the earlier image of mitch. Both same model but the first one sells your product, the second one doesn't. Don't you want the one from cmon to be the first painted image people see so they can make their opinions on the game? I am super excited about the game, but am just throwing out my unasked for opinion to help it be successful. (btw I think the one photo of mitch shows that they are great minis)
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well I obviously don't know how to post pictures, the image I was trying to show was at http://www.coolminiornot.com/339948
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yeah blame Agis,or Rob or anyone ::)
so what?If your Minis only shine with a Pro pj then they're still useless to me :'(
So what your saying is not professional photos and not fan either!? So where in the middle?
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Torben
Thank you for your extensive reply, yes I'll be honest your negativity did upset me and the general attack at the painter on here did upset me! We know this lad and his passion is massive for WZR. As an individual he doesn't need such negativity poured towards him, that is all ill say.
Regarding sizes etc. yes I'm sure you do know what picture I'm talking about ;)
Being on KS does allow people to see all the teething issues a new project has, and yes I strongly believe we are at a stage before pre launch at the moment, but people have know of this from a very very early stage. But equally if it wasn't for KS Warzone wouldn't be back in the size that it is! A double edged sword in some regards I think. Some things get resized, others redesigned and others tweaked, these models have been resized long ago!
Vapourware: if you are talking about the fact only photos of models, I understand that. If you are talking only renders, well that just isn't the case!
Hmmm! Nothing new, I beg to differ! There are new characters (Angelika, Hamilkar, Immortal etc), new units (necrobeasts and more to be announced) and some massively expanded or taken beyond a simple line in the old fluff (Hiroko, Nozaki, Drogan, Faraday). Yes I agree it is WZ and set in the MC world, but there's lots of new! Re Timelines and Corps, well......
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Hi!
I have t say I'm not seeing any personal attacks on the chap who painted your figs, its more of a disbelief that you aren't showing proper high quality paint jobs from the get go.
You need to be concentrating on giving the new Warzone a fantastic image for new fans to hook onto and old ones to want to try out. Instead the constant use of renders, unpainted resin (with the mould lines still on them) or a paint job that's just not up to promotional standards is really shooting yourself in the foot.
As a long term fan of Warzone, I was hugely excited by the announcement that it was finally getting a reboot but the fact that the digital renders didn't bare any Warzone or mutant chronicles vibe or stylisation to them coupled with nothing but renders until recently put me off backing it in kickstarter.
Now about the first actual sculpts we see are painted by an enthusiastic fan of the new game to a standard that's fine for the tabletop but not for what you should be using to launch and advertise the game just seems a tad silly.
As already mentioned you need to get these figs painted professionally! Take a look at any of the current manufactuers out there, any release they make, especially for a new range or game, they will without fail do it with amazingly painted figures.
Yes it's often unrealistic to expect most painters to get such a high standard but its a marketing tool and gives the rest of us the ooh shiney syndrome. Instead you are getting a decided meh from most of us who are your prospective customers!
The fact that your own website doesn't even seem to have anything but renders isn't helping your cause either. Get some decent painted figs on there and get yourself some positive advertising!
Apologies for the rant!
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But why the need to be so dismissive of something a lot of people are excited about and something a lot of people have worked very hard on? If you don't like it (whether it be old or new WZ or something else) leave it alone and go and get positive and excited about something you do!
And if you don't want comments, why post it on a public forum?
I am entitled to my views and opinions, just like you are to yours.
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Wooooaaaah...
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Remember I just posted stuff I found on the interwebs which were clearly fan paintjobs, not official paintjobs. I'm just a fan posting everything I can find about the new Warzone, because I can't wait to get the stuff in my hands :)
All the grumpy comments about these are a bit odd IMO...you can't really judge the sculpts with these images. You need to see them up close with paintjobs which accentuate the sculpt. So not these ones. I think it's better to wait and see how the stuff will actually look instead of judging a sculpt's quality based on these images.
That said, of course they are perfectly fine for painted armies and don't forget somebody put time and energy in them.
But I agree it would have been great if Prodos had used more talented painters to get paintjobs on their miniatures. I reckon there are loads of painters willing to help Prodos out to show their stuff.
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As promised yesterday, some pictures:
The CMON post for Mitch: http://www.coolminiornot.com/339948
(http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/4906/4jnk.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/856/4jnk.jpg/)
Pride:
(http://imageshack.us/a/img560/1945/4nvm.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img819/3687/wxae.jpg)
The Immortal:
(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/9756/g99x.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/59/g99x.jpg/)
Golgotha:
(http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/9366/u4uy.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/208/u4uy.jpg/)
The Behemoth
(http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/1174/rykw.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/845/rykw.jpg/)
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Great. Golgotha also looks a lot better this way...but a shame he went for a yellowish skin. I think the light purple would have been a better choice. Especially with yellowish bone.
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Those are nice pics.
I have a question about the Immortal: Are some of the details painted on, or did the painter follow the sculpt? I am especially thinking of the 'Matrix'-lights on the shouilder and the bands at the joints.
Over all, I think the large models and the personalities are the ones that work best. Coincidentally, they are also the ones that most closely resemble the ols imagery.
And to clarify something: I am not lamenting that Prodos does not try to mimick the old, sometimes odd/clumsy, way the former minis were sculpted - it is the very harsh toning-down the use of clichés and details that are so instantly recognizable in the old imagery and minis.
Mitch Hunter is immediately recognizable as a Capitol hero, because the shoulder pads are more prominent on his lightly armoured body than pads of this smaler size is on minis with bulkier armour/more details.
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Painted on:
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/projects/457746/posts/408670/image-213614-full.jpg?1361217859)
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Thought so. The joints seem to be sculpted.
It's a model I could be tempted to buy... could be used for multi purposes.
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Equally, when we shared some early casts with a member on here, he deliberately tried to make WZR models look tiny by photographing them next to an old and yet converted (to make taller) old model. We trusted that he would show them in a fair light, we were proven wrong.
Uups, that sounds upset! :o
Presuming you are talking about my pic of the undead legionnaire and Vince on Page 33?
If so I fail to see any deliberate action from my side.
I just wanted to show some Warzone related pics to promote your Kickstarter effort.
Having re-read my original posting on page 32 I really do not see any malice in my writing or pics.
Honest question – what have I done wrong and where did I show your minis in an unfair light?
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Uups, that sounds upset! :o
Presuming you are talking about my pic of the undead legionnaire and Vince on Page 33?
If so I fail to see any deliberate action from my side.
I just wanted to show some Warzone related pics to promote your Kickstarter effort.
Having re-read my original posting on page 32 I really do not see any malice in my writing or pics.
Honest question – what have I done wrong and where did I show your minis in an unfair light?
Agis. As you know I (Mark) love your painting, hence why we sent you our models so so early on in our process. But I think it is fair to say that the Vince photo should have included a statement that he had been customised (extended in hight), especially as the main reason for showing that photo was to compare old to new. It wasn't old with new, instead converted (height-extended) old with prototype new.
Joking: One could say they were shown in an unfair height! ;D :D
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Agis. As you know I (Mark) love your painting, hence why we sent you our models so so early on in our process. But I think it is fair to say that the Vince photo should have included a statement that he had been customised (extended in hight), especially as the main reason for showing that photo was to compare old to new. It wasn't old with new, instead converted (height-extended) old with prototype new.
Joking: One could say they were shown in an unfair height! ;D :D
Ah, that explains it, next time please simple drop me a PM and I add any needed explanation.
Not good to bear any ill Feelings simply because of a misunderstanding.
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Ah, that explains it, next time please simple drop me a PM and I add any needed explanation.
Not good to bear any ill Feelings simply because of a misunderstanding.
Agreed :D
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*sigh* I'm glad this episode got sorted out. Eventually.
I loved WZ, taught an after-school program on TTGs, exclusively using squad box sets. I stocked them in the retail section of my game room for years. Ran demos, pick-up games, campaigns. I even supported UWZ and organized a Warzone Patrol Painting Contest one year. I was excited at the prospect of a new iteration. However this little saga radiates too much drama and not enough acumen, IMO. At this point, I'll probably get some of the figs if/when they appear at TheWarstore. But maybe not.
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Scurv, that was a very positive comment, thank you for that.
Guys, I think stuff is running hot at the moment. That is fine. Everyone is entitled to an opinion.
It's been a very stressful period at Prodos Towers recently and I think mark is defending our fan's paintjobs.
Yes, we could/should post painted miniatures, but at the moment it is full focus on getting the product out. I am sure that in time, we will have more and more painted miniatures on the website. It's baby steps at the moment and it's all in real-time.
As for those of you that do not feel like it is Warzone, it's a shame, I would recommend at least having a flick through the rulebook and seeing what we have done with it. If you really don't like it, that's fine too!
The photos Agis put up were actually very useful at the time. We have used them in a positive light and have since rescaled the Undead Legionnaires to be a bit larger. I will endeavour to post some scale images on this forum soon and I hope the posts that have been made do not stop Agis from posting his wonderfully painted models. I have been a long-term fan of his work ever since my short-lived involvement as a fanboy of Starship Troopers!
Again, I would like to reiterate that this has been a labour of love for all involved, but like any re-imagining, it might not be to every fan's taste. Though, I hope that every fan, new or old, will find something to love in the new rulebook. Whether that is Fluff, artwork, concepts, models or rules. :)
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It's a good idea actually mate.
As far as I am aware, we had only considered the starter boxes we already do (a Squad of 10 men, a Hero and something cool), but a larger sized 'platoon' box might be quite nice too for some people!
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It's a good idea actually mate.
As far as I am aware, we had only considered the starter boxes we already do (a Squad of 10 men, a Hero and something cool), but a larger sized 'platoon' box might be quite nice too for some people!
I think it would be a good idea too... make them playable platoons with the correct points/cards etc straight from the box.
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I'm not involved in this in any way shape or form but as an observation a lot of companies recently don't seem to a) grasp the power of the Internet, b) don't really promote their projects in the best light and c) get pissy about it and blame every one else customers, potential customers, their neighbours, their neighbour's dog when negative issues picked up on.
If you're stepping into the ring, at least learn how to box first....
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With a project like Warzone, there was always going to be divided opinion.
There was always going to be the core fanbase that wanted the old game to be revived, along with miniatures that fitted in perfectly with their existing collections.
There was always going to be people who would not want the heavily 'stylised' miniatures of the past and wanted up to date miniatures instead.
The two factions would take some convincing... and there have been those who have poured a lot of passion (both negative and positive) towards this new Warzone project... and there has been condemnation and praise (as anyone would have expected).
If you are going to embark on a project like this, I would have expected that a 'thick skin' was going to be a required necessity.
However... it is always difficult, no matter how prepared you think you are, when someone picks holes in the things you have poured your life into for the last 'X' amount of years.
And to continue the commander's analogy, even the great Ali got knocked down so no matter how prepared you are, it can still be very tough.
There has to come a time when the courage of your conviction has to take precedence and you get the stuff done, no matter what the comments... otherwise things won't get done. Once it is out there and people have a chance to review it properly, THEN is the time to take note of the feedback. I think the term in industry is 'continuos improvement'.
Remember... not everyone's favourite colour is blue and there will always be those who demand that blue is the best colour and everyone should just accept it ;).
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Now that the moaning has stopped.
I was actually really getting excited thinking about the hero creation system again, I really am hoping the ability to customize is huge, especially wargear, I have an urge to have a Major in the armour of a Hatamoto, armed with a carbine version of the basic rifle (so maybe a 6" range reduction) and a Yari long spear, I'm really hoping its possible to do something like that.
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Not sure about there being much drama. Considering how much drama there was when Excelsior had the license I'd say this is quite tame by any comparison. The KS has been a success and the figs will soon be shipping. I own the rules but have yet to run a game. I'd like to see free downloadable stat sheets for all the troop types not included in the PDF rules.
I'm a very old Warzone 1st edition player and am quite interested in the rules. I haven't bought any of the new figs.....yet. I own 100's of every faction of the older figs. I'd like to get a handle on the new rules before I start buying new stuff.
I wish Prodos all the best. So far, they have done a pretty nice job on what turned out to be a massive response to the original KS.
Thanks,
John
*sigh* I'm glad this episode got sorted out. Eventually.
I loved WZ, taught an after-school program on TTGs, exclusively using squad box sets. I stocked them in the retail section of my game room for years. Ran demos, pick-up games, campaigns. I even supported UWZ and organized a Warzone Patrol Painting Contest one year. I was excited at the prospect of a new iteration. However this little saga radiates too much drama and not enough acumen, IMO. At this point, I'll probably get some of the figs if/when they appear at TheWarstore. But maybe not.
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I take it that the shipping didn't start last week as projected about 2 weeks ago?
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No Email yet - I wait patiently for it
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We have started shipping the orders that we can. Obviously as time goes on, we will fulfil all of the orders, but we are doing them bit by bit. :)
Soon you'll see the results. :)
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So, pictures of the minis painted up are starting to roll in. :)
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Yay my mishima ^.^
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oooh! Those look very nice. Solid pj's on well rounded skirmish forces. More please.
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The latest KS update has made the WZR rules freely available for download (as a PDF):
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/513277403/mutant-chronicles-warzone-resurrection/posts/720886
Presumably these are the same version as the printed rulebook, haven't got that on hand right now. It's rules only tho, "faction rules" (army lists I assume) will be uploaded "tomorrow".
The update also explains why there are still some people who have not received their stuff. Doesn't explain why Prodos doesn't seem to answer e-mail tho but maybe they are just so super busy that they don't have time to spare even for a brief acknowledgement message :?
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The latest KS update has made the WZR rules freely available for download (as a PDF):
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/513277403/mutant-chronicles-warzone-resurrection/posts/720886
Presumably these are the same version as the printed rulebook,
It is the same version. 8)
I would like to see a printerfriendly version in addition to the pic heavy layout loaded one.
BTW - way to little miniatures shown in the book for my taste! Its a miniatures rule book after all...
And Prodos now have a LOT of nice minis to show.
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I would like to see a printerfriendly version in addition to the pic heavy layout loaded one
Printer friendly versions are few and far between... I wasn't expecting the "two page spread" format tho, which makes this a little quirky to use on the 'puter.
ETA - faction rules are now up too:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/513277403/mutant-chronicles-warzone-resurrection/posts/722441