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Title: 12 out of 12 28mm Polish cavalry
Post by: Anatoli on February 16, 2013, 11:14:03 AM
This is the first half of the cavalry I'm painting for Chris/"Deploymentzone" over at the WWPD forum as a thank you gesture for the load of 15mm Polish stuff he donated to me. The models will be used for his Bolt Action games if I understood correctly.

The miniatures are 28mm Warlord Games Polish cavalry, half will be armed with lances the other half with sabers. The bases is something Chris will tend to himself. None of the riders are glued in place to make it safer to ship them back to the US when they are all done.

Hope to have the remaining 6 painted up towards the end of the next week. More pictures of the first batch can be seen on my blog:

http://anatolisgameroom.blogspot.se/2013/02/28mm-polish-cavalry-6-out-of-12-finished.html

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g183/Anatoli_2006/bestallningsjobb/SAM_4959.jpg)
Title: Re: 6 out of 12 28mm Polish cavalry
Post by: Onebigriver on February 16, 2013, 01:29:27 PM
Not so sure about the sculpts but I like the PJ!
Title: Re: 6 out of 12 28mm Polish cavalry
Post by: former user on February 16, 2013, 01:35:57 PM
Paintjob is very good
the sculpts.....

small asian steppe horses for Polish cavalry?
we are not in the 80ies any more....
(http://i1.trekearth.com/photos/93098/_mini-bzura_brochow_2007_004.jpg)
Title: Re: 6 out of 12 28mm Polish cavalry
Post by: Anatoli on February 16, 2013, 02:19:47 PM
Yes the horses are very small, I noticed that a few years ago when I bought some cavalry for myself  :?
Title: Re: 6 out of 12 28mm Polish cavalry
Post by: former user on February 16, 2013, 02:25:10 PM
a pity since it is such a value upgrade for the miniatures to be painted by You
I suggest Perry plastic horses sold separately - they are a good average
Title: Re: 6 out of 12 28mm Polish cavalry
Post by: aircav on February 18, 2013, 12:51:48 PM
Lovely stuff, both in paint & sculpt   :-* :-*
Title: Re: 6 out of 12 28mm Polish cavalry
Post by: Anatoli on February 21, 2013, 10:12:51 AM
Finished the cavalry for Chris, all 12 models painted up and ready to be shipped back home to US Virginia.

More pictures on my blog:

http://anatolisgameroom.blogspot.se/2013/02/polish-28mm-cavalry-12-of-12-finished.html

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g183/Anatoli_2006/bestallningsjobb/SAM_5005.jpg)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g183/Anatoli_2006/bestallningsjobb/SAM_5008.jpg)
Title: Re: 12 out of 12 28mm Polish cavalry
Post by: former user on February 21, 2013, 02:11:02 PM
excellent Quality, THX for showing
Title: Re: 12 out of 12 28mm Polish cavalry
Post by: Chuckaroobob on February 21, 2013, 02:35:11 PM
Sweet!
Title: Re: 12 out of 12 28mm Polish cavalry
Post by: answer_is_42 on February 21, 2013, 04:25:52 PM
They look pretty nice to me.

I'm sure it's often asked, but did the Poles ever actually charge with the bare sabre or lance into combat? I know both the Romanian and Dutch (to pick two armies I know a bit about) cavalry were trained to do so with the sabre, but neither (as far as I know) ever actually did it for real.
Title: Re: 12 out of 12 28mm Polish cavalry
Post by: Anatoli on February 21, 2013, 08:25:03 PM
They look pretty nice to me.

I'm sure it's often asked, but did the Poles ever actually charge with the bare sabre or lance into combat? I know both the Romanian and Dutch (to pick two armies I know a bit about) cavalry were trained to do so with the sabre, but neither (as far as I know) ever actually did it for real.

Yes they did, there were quite a few cavalry charges during the September campaign (somewhere around 20 documented ones), the majority of them were performed with sabers, there was one or two that involved lances. There were also fighting between mounted Polish and German cavalry on a few occasions. They were occurred during the entire campaign, from the very first battles to the final battle. Most often the charges were quite successful, dispersing unaware enemy infantry, capturing artillery, attacking unsuspecting columns of "soft skin" vehicles and such. Though the role of the cavalry was primarily to act as modern dragoons, and they were used as such predominantly compared to the bold cavalry charges.

If you are interested in the Polish campaign I would recommend that you download my PDF that handles the subject. It was written with Flames of War in mind so there are army lists for FoW in the first half, but the second half is focused on historical battles in a campaign format. Each battle has a summary description of date, location and participants - and in each "operation" segment each battle is also described a bit closer. The document also includes transcribed interviews with Polish veterans of the September campaign from a documentary series that aired in Poland a couple of years ago.

Link to my PDF: http://anatolisgameroom.blogspot.se/2013/01/september-campaign-poland-in-flames.html

The compilation with the army list segment includes a lot of information about Soviet, Polish, German and Slovak units taking part in the fighting and may be interesting despite its "FoW" oriented nature. There is also an option to download the "historical campaign" section alone if you prefer to do so  :)
Title: Re: 12 out of 12 28mm Polish cavalry
Post by: Rob_bresnen on February 22, 2013, 12:12:11 PM
Captain Arthur Sandeman, a British officer in the Central Indian Horse, attached to US Gen. Stilwell's force of Chinese fighting in Burma 1942 had the dubious distinction of being the last British officer to die leading a cavalry charge. His cavalry blundered into the path of some Japanese HMGs, and he drew his sabre and ordered his men to charge.

The result was rather predicable.
Title: Re: 12 out of 12 28mm Polish cavalry
Post by: former user on February 22, 2013, 04:14:36 PM
Yes, and there were cavalry counterinsurgence units in the decolonization wars in Rhodesia, Angola and Namibia more recently, so there is still a use for cavalry......
Title: Re: 12 out of 12 28mm Polish cavalry
Post by: alcal on February 22, 2013, 07:56:45 PM
Beautifull paintwork,  a joy to look at, thanks for showing us your outstanding work.

AL
Title: Re: 12 out of 12 28mm Polish cavalry
Post by: Helen on February 22, 2013, 08:03:25 PM
Lovely work, thank you for sharing.

Cheers,

Helen
Title: Re: 12 out of 12 28mm Polish cavalry
Post by: Sarmor on February 24, 2013, 12:39:35 PM
Yes they did, there were quite a few cavalry charges during the September campaign (somewhere around 20 documented ones), the majority of them were performed with sabers, there was one or two that involved lances. There were also fighting between mounted Polish and German cavalry on a few occasions. They were occurred during the entire campaign, from the very first battles to the final battle. Most often the charges were quite successful, dispersing unaware enemy infantry, capturing artillery, attacking unsuspecting columns of "soft skin" vehicles and such. Though the role of the cavalry was primarily to act as modern dragoons, and they were used as such predominantly compared to the bold cavalry charges.
It's worth noting that German cavalry too was trained to charge at the enemy if the situation was right (though I don't know if they actually did this during the September campaign).
As Anatoli pointed out, the Poles charged at easy, unsuspecting targets, especially camped infantry, which tends to panic in such situations (who wouldn't?).

Unfortunately, there is a myth about Polish cavalry attacking German AFVs with sabres and lances - this is a piece of German propaganda, which was later adapted by the Polish communists, and now is repeated by some who really believe in it.

As for the minis, they're lovely.  :)
Title: Re: 12 out of 12 28mm Polish cavalry
Post by: Anatoli on February 24, 2013, 07:26:21 PM
There are two instances of charging German cavalry, one was a skirmish battle between German and Polish cavalry reconnaissance units along the southern border during the first day of the invasion. Another instance was rather late into the campaign, a German mounted reconnaissance unit attacked Polish troops as part of a much larger battle.

For the most part though it was the Poles that utilized cavalry charges, no doubt because they had a lot more cavalry units in their army. The amount of bayonet charges initiated by Polish troops is also quite astonishing and surprised me when I was doing research on the many battles.

If you download my September Campaign + Poland in flames document there is an attached section of about 20 pages of transcribed interviews with Polish veterans that talk about their combat experience of 1939. Many of them served in units that fought from the first to the last day of the campaign, they explained exactly why and how they charged with bayonets or cavalry. Bayonet charged were often sprung out of a desperate situation and used as last resort - German units according to sources tended to panic or withdraw when facing a whole battalion coming at them with bayonets and throwing grenades.