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Miniatures Adventure => VSF Adventures => Topic started by: Dewbakuk on March 05, 2013, 11:36:32 PM
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Well they'll be used for other things too but the deadline is Salute where they'll be used as demo boards :D
I wanted to get this started some time ago but there's been a delay getting some pieces which has held things up. So, enough waiting around, time to just get it done!
These boards are each 3 foot square and there's two of them. I decided a while back to go with 9mm MDF as it doesn't need battening and while it's not light, it is strong and not particularly expensive when you get the DIY store to cut it for you ;)
So, the first pic:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8234/8531753273_9f38deb7c3.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28016805@N00/8531753273/)
batten (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28016805@N00/8531753273/) by dewbakuk (http://www.flickr.com/people/28016805@N00/), on Flickr
Astute readers will notice the presence of battens on the wood that doesn't need them... This is because I will be making cobbled roads and other terrain elements that would be damaged by any flex on the board. While the MDF is heavy enough to not need battens to keep it flat when on a table etc, I'd rather not risk it when I'm going to be transporting it in the back of a car up and down the country. It doesn't need much however so 1"x1" wood is fine. Small screws have been put in at the ends to hold them in place while the glue dries.
Pic 2:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8378/8532864190_74170bda81.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28016805@N00/8532864190/)
clamp (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28016805@N00/8532864190/) by dewbakuk (http://www.flickr.com/people/28016805@N00/), on Flickr
I used the second board to weigh the board down while the glue sets but I wasn't happy with the joins so I dug out my trusty pressure clamps and pincered the two together. I would have taken this opportunity to glue both boards at the same time however I was untrusting of the glue running down somewhere on the inside where I couldn't see and sticking the boards together, also I ran out of screws :)
Doing this did mean I had to raise the board up however, seems this is my first use of the Sedition Wars deal I got from Kickstarter.
Pic 3:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8370/8531753891_dc682a0c23.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28016805@N00/8531753891/)
cobbles (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28016805@N00/8531753891/) by dewbakuk (http://www.flickr.com/people/28016805@N00/), on Flickr
Not a great pic I'm afraid and rather out of context, however this was some of my test pieces for using lentils as cobblestones. Everyone who's seen them in the flesh is rather impressed by the result. I can say though that unless you are doing a small area, don't even think about using the pattern in the centre! It takes a very long time. I'll talk about this more when I actually start it.
Well, that's it started, hopefully I will get the chance to update this regularly and show the figures for the board too.
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I know I'm probably asking a stupid question Dean, but what's IHMN?
What's the plan for the board? Is it going to be a cityscape or town?
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In Her Majesty's Name.
A new line of rules/miniatures on Northstar
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In Her Majesty's Name, the new Osprey rules set.
One board will be a warehouse/dock area with a couple of large warehouses, a few small outbuildings/shacks and piles of crates/barrels. The other will be a section of city. The two will be different heights but will have a ramp and steps allowing them to go together if wanted.
Here's an initial concept sketch, although there have been a few changes.
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Looking forward to seeing this one progress 8)
Lentils see, I told you ;D
cheers
James
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Lentils see, I told you ;D
Yeah, they do look good.
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Like the concept boards. Look forward to seeing how they turn out.
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Looking good. I'm really getting into the idea of a Victorian setting. Is that Sketch-up you've used for the concept?
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Yes, it is Sketchup. I use it quite often to give me an idea of the 3d visual. Drawing a sketch on the board is fine for open terrain but it can be quite misleading on the visual impact as height is missing. The big warehouses being a good example, I had intended to have three on the board but it was too crowded and would have made figure placing awkward.
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Shaping up nicely. I installed Sketchup on our PC a while back but haven't really had the opportunity to work with it yet. Your example shows what can be done. Thanks for sharing.
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I've used sketch-up a few times for games but I'm not particularly proficient. It is very handy for designing urban set ups though.
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Oooh shiny. ;D
Looking good so far. I'll have to sneak a peak at Salute, I won't have much time as I am going to be preoccupied elsewhere, but you already know that ;) lol
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In Her Majesty's Name.
A new line of rules/miniatures on Northstar
In Her Majesty's Name, the new Osprey rules set.
New rule set flogged by Osprey, supported by the yet-to-be-released faction miniature sets by Northstar promoted under a 'Nickstarter' campaign. :D
"don't even think about using the pattern in the centre!"
Would round cobblestones be set squarely? I thought the rows would be offset, which might fit more easily. If there were a 'clueless' emoticon, I'd be using it.
Doug
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In Her Majesty's Name is a set of Victorian Science Fiction skirmish rules co-authored by Charles Murton and myself.
It is being published by Osprey in May and Northstar have created miniatures for four of the ten conpanies described in the rules.
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Would round cobblestones be set squarely? I thought the rows would be offset, which might fit more easily.
If you tilt your head they are offset :)
They fit fine and done in a proper offset pattern would be a bit tighter, however it takes a very long time to place each individual cobble in that pattern. I tried using a ruler and letting them fall in lines but it doesn't work.
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Slowly but surely, progress continues. Second board is now gluing while clamped to the first. The item in the centre is a 4Ground prepainted water closet which I've just glued together but leaving out the toilet pieces. So it's now just a shed :) Got two more to build.
Currently wondering whether to make the wooden roof for the shed or give it a corrugated iron roof. Dock areas used a lot of corrugated iron so that's probably the way I'll go...
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Looking forward to seeing this one progress 8)
^ what he said. :)
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Well, tonights job was marking up some pink foam. I'll glue it down tomorrow and take the next pic :)
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I am really really looking forward to Salute this year.
Can’t wait to see the finished boards.
Blodwin
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Wish I could hop the pond and make it for Salute. Looks like a great set-up.
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One board will be a warehouse/dock area with a couple of large warehouses, a few small outbuildings/shacks and piles of crates/barrels. The other will be a section of city. The two will be different heights but will have a ramp and steps allowing them to go together if wanted.
The design looks excellent and, built as it is, it will allow for two separate games to be played simultaneously, or one larger game between four companies.
The illustration shows many stacks of goods in the Warehouse district, which allow for excellent cover. Cover is a must in IHMN, especially when facing Soldiers with Lee-Metford Rifles, or Mohan Singh carrying a Maxim Gun. Will there be similar amount of cover on the other board?
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The design looks excellent and, built as it is, it will allow for two separate games to be played simultaneously, or one larger game between four companies.
That was the intention. It'll allow us to have games running independently at Salute but also be able to use the boards for more longevity.
The illustration shows many stacks of goods in the Warehouse district, which allow for excellent cover. Cover is a must in IHMN, especially when facing Soldiers with Lee-Metford Rifles, or Mohan Singh carrying a Maxim Gun. Will there be similar amount of cover on the other board?
The other board is in a bit of flux until the buildings are totally sorted but there will be cover such as a couple of wagons/vehicles and hopefully some street barrows/trade stalls. I need to give someone a nugde about that and make sure they've remembered :)
Last nights image :)
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You've got quite a lot of cover on there now :~}.
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Might one suggest a Police Telegraphic Box on a street corner? ;)
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Can't wait to see these in person.
If only I could persuade my boss to spring for an office game board...
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If only I could persuade my boss to spring for an office game board...
Surely it's a justifiable expense as either a sales & marketing display aid, or a staff training item (cheaper than a corporate bonding excercise and brand-loyal too).
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You've got quite a lot of cover on there now :~}.
Figure movement might get complicated in the middle :)
Might one suggest a Police Telegraphic Box on a street corner? ;)
Weren't introduced into London until the 1930's.... that said they do have a tendency to 'appear' in random time periods don't they ;)
If only I could persuade my boss to spring for an office game board...
My library seems to be missing some books... ;)
Been helping my sister-in-law move house today so I may not have an update later but I'll try and get some motivation once the kids are in bed.
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Last nights pic after trimming the sides for the raised dock/warehouse board.
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Nice - suppose I'd better get on with the objective / mission cards and figures! And beaucoup barrels!! :D
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Preferably before you skip country :)
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If you tilt your head they are offset :)
They fit fine and done in a proper offset pattern would be a bit tighter, however it takes a very long time to place each individual cobble in that pattern. I tried using a ruler and letting them fall in lines but it doesn't work.
Did you try a whole area using gravity, assisted by a bit of jogging(of the vibrational variety) to set it up? May give it a go sometime.
Perhaps pour-on seal instead of glue in place?
Also, I was wondering how many of the books are personal interest, and others nicked from the family. Can tell a lot, you know... ;)
Doug
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The method I'll be using is essentially that. Pour on a mass of them and push them around so that they all lie flat and go together in a nice random pattern. I tried pouring on and shaking/pushing them flat but it doesn't work that well as you end up with some overlapping and edges sticking up, just doesn't look right. Pushing them apart and flat works better and actually doesn't take much longer.
When I get to that part I'll show pics and talk about it more.
The books are a mix of mine and the missus. Pratchett, Sci-fi, armour/uniform guides, complete HG Wells and Homer are mine. Pompeii, Holy Blood nonsense and Harry Potter are the missus'. I'd wondered if someone would comment on the books :)
Last nights progress was just some messy cutting to trim the foam more.
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This should be the majority of the messy cutting done which will please my wife. :D I hoovered yesterday and she pointed out that she can see where I've walked this evening due to the slipper shaped footprints of staticly charged pink foam that I've left behind, guess I'll be hoovering again tomorrow ;D
One more cut-in to do on the ramp side as I want to put a second entrance point between the boards. It'll be steps for that however so a block to cut out once I've worked out the dimensions.
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I'm sorry mate, but when she saw that picture the wife declared: "You have got 'Ace of Cakes' to do a IHMN cake as well now?"
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lol
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what is that your using.. orange foam board ??
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what is that your using.. orange foam board ??
It's the lights in my dining room, it's more pink than that looks. I'm using the Knauf insulation boards that B&Q used to sell:
http://www.space-insulation.com/board.html
Ooh, website says Wickes now sells it!
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My local B+Q in Solihull sells it.
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You're lucky then, most of them have sold it all and apparently it isn't on their re-order options. The Knauf website also says B&Q don't sell this product, although they sell plenty of other Knauf products.
Edited for inept writing.
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Does anyone know how this compares to US insulation foam board? I tried to read the material spec PDF, but it's garbaged on my reader.
Personally, I prefer Dow over PPG, just because I'd rather have blue over pink... lol
Doug
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Just a small update tonight. I'm tired and the kids have been a pain. However, it's important to keep the motivation up on a project like this and keep chipping away at the jobs. That's why I make a point of doing about an hour every night, even if that means you only do it just before you go to sleep :)
So to that end, I have cleaned up and glued the first section of fence that will line the top of the raised area where the boards match up. It's 0 gauge railway fencing from Peco.
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Nice work, dewbakuk! The lentils look delicious, I mean, quite convincing :)
Have you thought about casting them? Making reproductions from a mold in plaster might make like a bit easier... just a thought :)
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Yes, I thought about it but it honestly doesn't take that long to do the random style and by the time you've faffed around with making a master that will connect together while still looking random, moulding, casting etc, it's going to be quicker and much cheaper to just do the lentils.
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Looking good!
I would recommend screws from the bottom of the board up into the foam.
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I would recommend screws from the bottom of the board up into the foam.
Already there :)
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Well, tonight's not getting a picture as I have to hold some things back for now with regards to the buildings :)
Today I started building the crane which will be at the river side. It's again a Peco 0 guage railway model:
(http://www.peco-uk.com/imageselector//products/LK-735.jpg)
A little awkward to assemble and needs to be done in a couple of stages which is why it's not finished. It'll get finished tomorrow once the plastic glue is all dry. Looks good though.
I've also been playing with the roads for the street board and placing mock-up buildings to test gaps and fit. I shall confer with my compatriots tomorrow about final setup and changes but can then get on with it.
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Well, tonight's not getting a picture as I have to hold some things back for now with regards to the buildings :)
We want photos Goddammit! We can't wait til Salute. ;)
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There will be pics before Salute I expect but the pieces I'm using currently are tests and mock ups, so are a hodge podge of colours and textures. Not pretty.
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If that crane is anything to go by it looks like we're in for a treat :D
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Im just sorry Im not there to help out, I loved working on both the projects of yours I did before.....
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Help on projects like this should always be encouraged and accepted :D
Currently cutting roads to size and laying them on the board. Will probably take a couple of days to do with the little time I get to work on it, but I'll take a pic once they are down.
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I am without teaching commitments as of Friday 22nd March - i have barrels and a house to finally sort but let me know if there is anything else I can do. We are all in this together, old boy! :D
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Pop round, it's currently all mock laid out.
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Right, apologies for the lack of updates but the last few days have been spent with me fighting materials. I was given a big bunch of the GF9/FoW 15mm cobblestone roads to use for the board and they are great for paved roads. I would like to say however that whoever decided this was a good 15mm product had clearly been drinking as the cobbles would be the size of large flagstones! For 28mm however, they're great, the only issue is the width, which has been done to 15mm sized roads. So why the delay? Because these things are designed to go together end to end and you can get some almost seamless joins with a bit of care and a sharp knife, but side to side is a whole different matter. The roads vary in thickness, have shrank after pouring to varying degrees and are often not straight, all of which means they are a nightmare to get looking good. That said, a suggestion has been made by a colleague about how to overcome this which holds promise so I'm taking a break before I destroy them all and working on a different section.
Tonights task was to get some cobbles done. The street board will have the paved roads but for the warehouse/dock area I wanted a more rugged and rough feel. This will be the home of the lentil cobblestones :)
So a quick walkthrough of how I've done them....
The first thing I did was mark out the first section of road with doublesided tape. I used carpet tape as it's nice and wide. Then I dumped a small pile of lentils at one end. I use Lentils Verte as they have a nice colour variation and are a good size. They do have their skins on though so make sure you don't get them wet as it can cause it to lift. Interestingly these are not the same thing as green lentils which are wider and flatter but from the name I would have assumed they were.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8510/8580601735_d4881dfc56.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28016805@N00/8580601735/)
Cobbles 1 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28016805@N00/8580601735/) by dewbakuk (http://www.flickr.com/people/28016805@N00/)
I then pushed the lentils along the tape so that they spread out a little. This works better than just dumping the lentils all the way along as it results in less lentils falling all over the floor and also controls their distribution.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8111/8580601511_daf37fc7f6.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28016805@N00/8580601511/)
Cobbles 2 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28016805@N00/8580601511/) by dewbakuk (http://www.flickr.com/people/28016805@N00/)
You don't want the lentils too close together as they tend to overlap and it looks wrong in the finished piece. Push them around to spread them a little, the tape grips them but won't hold them making it easy to position them how you like. Once they are spread to a satisfactory covering, gently run your fingers back and forth over the lentils, this will cause the lentils which are on their edges or overlapping too much to come loose and either fall into place elsewhere or can be brushed down to the next section. Then press down firmly on the lentils to make sure they are flat and reasonably well attached, any which are still angled too much will become obvious to your fingertips and can be flicked aside. Don't worry too much about it looking patchy, that will dissapear later, although if it seems too much, just lay a couple of lentils in any big holes. You probably only want to work on a 6 inch stretch at a time doing this as it's easy to get lost.
Here's a pic during this process, you can still see a few lentils which are on their edges.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8518/8581703192_1fa6394ca0.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28016805@N00/8581703192/)
Cobbles 3 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28016805@N00/8581703192/) by dewbakuk (http://www.flickr.com/people/28016805@N00/)
Here's a pic of the first road stretch after lentils are done.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8109/8580601029_61693597ed.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28016805@N00/8580601029/)
Cobbles 4 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28016805@N00/8580601029/) by dewbakuk (http://www.flickr.com/people/28016805@N00/)
Next pic shows the next stretch of cobbles to be worked on. This is the main working area and the cut outs in the tape are where the warehouse steps will sit. You can also see the small cup I stole from my daughters cupboard which I use to pour the lentils currently heaped at the start of this stretch :)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8389/8581702696_9ccb4c3830.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28016805@N00/8581702696/)
Cobbles 5 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28016805@N00/8581702696/) by dewbakuk (http://www.flickr.com/people/28016805@N00/)
So, rinse and repeat until you've covered the area you want. I then tip the board up to allow any loose lentils to fall off.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8378/8581702488_78025fc545.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28016805@N00/8581702488/)
Cobbles 6 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28016805@N00/8581702488/) by dewbakuk (http://www.flickr.com/people/28016805@N00/)
The next step is to add the sand. Use a few small heaps dumped on the lentils so that you don't end up with huge amounts to clear from any area.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8236/8581702268_4c08929ba9.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28016805@N00/8581702268/)
Cobbles 7 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28016805@N00/8581702268/) by dewbakuk (http://www.flickr.com/people/28016805@N00/)
Gently spread the sand over the lentils with your fingers, filling the gaps inbetween and partially covering them. Once it's covered start to brush the sand away with your fingertips. This is where the magic happens as all of a sudden it starts to look like a cobbled area! All the gaps tend to dissapear here and also, any last lentils that were too loose or out of place will come free with the sand. You want to get the top of the lentils clear of the sand so that you have a cobble, not dirt, and you don't want heaps of sand for the same reason. Just brush it gently off to the sides allowing it to naturally form a sloped edge and reveal the cobbles. The natural size variation in the lentils will give you an uneven floor which adds to the look so don't worry about having to brush down more in some places than others. Brush the excess sand away from the cobbled area to give you some clear space.
Here's that last pic for this installment.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8099/8581703958_ed75044dea.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28016805@N00/8581703958/)
Cobbles 8 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28016805@N00/8581703958/) by dewbakuk (http://www.flickr.com/people/28016805@N00/)
The last stage I'm doing right now is to spray the cobbled area with a cheap hair spray. This acts as a fixative and holds the sand in place while you do any other bits that need working on. Do not tip your board before this as the sand will all dissapear from between your cobbles!
The final stage which I will come back to later, is to spray a PVA water mix over the sand and cobbles to seal it and make it all solid. I'm not doing it now because I'm not finished with sandy ares and I'll do it all in one go. Also, it's now early morning so I'm going to bed :)
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Interesting method that's seems to have worked a treat :)
I still say you should stick them on by hand ;D
cheers
James
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I still say you should stick them on by hand ;D
For a future build I may yet do that but I don't get much time to work on this and that takes soooooooooooooo long.
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For a future build I may yet do that but I don't get much time to work on this and that takes soooooooooooooo long.
But very therapeutic :D
Now what you have to do is pick out each individual cobble with a slightly different tone when painting them...
cheers
James
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Now what you have to do is pick out each individual cobble with a slightly different tone when painting them...
Yes, of course. Anything you say dear.
Actually that will be done to an extent, with a few shades used in batches.
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Why not mix pva with the sand before application?
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Why not mix pva with the sand before application?
Because you need the sand to flow. With pva mixed in it would clump and not go between the lentils unless you forced it down, which would push the lentils off. Plus the sand would stick to the top of the lentils.
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Yes, of course. Anything you say dear.
Actually that will be done to an extent, with a few shades used in batches.
You two sound like an old married couple.
Its coming together, can't wait to see it at Salute. (When I get the chance to escape the shackles of running that other VSF game) ;)
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Its coming together, can't wait to see it at Salute. (When I get the chance to escape the shackles of running that other VSF game) ;)
There is another VSF game? How so? I thought we had the whole genre to ourselves ;)
I hope that you are talking about Dystopian Legions because I am very keen to see that in action. I have followed the blog since they first started putting up 3D pictures of upcoming models.
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There is another VSF game? How so? I thought we had the whole genre to ourselves ;)
I hope that you are talking about Dystopian Legions because I am very keen to see that in action. I have followed the blog since they first started putting up 3D pictures of upcoming models.
Not a chance :D it'll be Sharp Practise with a Martian twist; Red Planet Rumpus or 50 Shades of Red and the build thread for the table is here...
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=21604.0 (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=21604.0)
cheers
James
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That looks fantabulous Jim!
I shall look forwards to seeing it :)
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There is another VSF game? How so? I thought we had the whole genre to ourselves ;)
I hope that you are talking about Dystopian Legions because I am very keen to see that in action. I have followed the blog since they first started putting up 3D pictures of upcoming models.
Afraid not, we are running an independent game on a 10ft x 6ft table (Red Planet Miniatures in association with Oshiro Models.)
The attack on New Victoria.
After the colonisation of Mars in 1888 by the Great Powers (Great Britain, Japan, France etc) the indiginous Sky dwelling Martian population makes a daring attack on the Earther capital city New Victoria...
Jimbib has beaten me too it ::)
Also known as Red Planet Rumpus or Fifty shades of Red... lol
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Afraid not, we are running an independent game on a 10ft x 6ft table (Red Planet Miniatures in association with Oshiro Models.)
The attack on New Victoria.
After the colonisation of Mars in 1888 by the Great Powers (Great Britain, Japan, France etc) the indiginous Sky dwelling Martian population makes a daring attack on the Earther capital city New Victoria...
Jimbib has beaten me too it ::)
Then I shall add you to my list of must sees.
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Then I shall add you to my list of must sees.
Looking forward to meeting you :)
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You two sound like an old married couple.
Its coming together, can't wait to see it at Salute. (When I get the chance to escape the shackles of running that other VSF game) ;)
You should have heard him on the phone yesterday. Crying like a jilted lover at the fact I was helping on a different table this year! Even spurned my offers to help with figures ;)
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You should have heard him on the phone yesterday. Crying like a jilted lover at the fact I was helping on a different table this year! Even spurned my offers to help with figures ;)
lol lol lol
I can't wait to see his reply to this... ;) lol
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Me too :D
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Pulse Engineering Industries: Lentil Construction Our Speciality.
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Looks very effective Dean.
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Yep, that works. I'm thinking they will look good once painted up.
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Cheers guys, I'm hoping it'll all come together well at the end.
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Then I shall add you to my list of must sees.
Looking forward to meeting you :)
Now you just sound gay lol
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Now you just sound gay lol
The wife has her suspicions... ::)
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Looking forward to meeting you :)
He was pouting his lips when he said it lol
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I use Lentils Verte as they have a nice colour variation and are a good size. They do have their skins on though so make sure you don't get them wet as it can cause it to lift.
What happens when you put the diluted pva on?
Have you considered using cloves? Whole cloves are a good shape and colour, quite hard too, and would give your dock an exotic aroma.....
We have a shop locally that sells them in 1kg bags
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Not considered cloves no. I'll take a look next time I'm in the spice row though. Using lentils is a known method for diorama and railway makers so I just copied them and experimented with application methods.
I'll let you know how they hold up when I spray them. They should be fine though as the pva will prevent it from soaking the lentils. The idea is to saturate the sand without leaving standing water on it etc. The ones I've seen done held up okay, I suspect the glue and sand would hold it together if a skin did lift.
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Nothing too exciting this evening, mostly cutting things to size. Cut lots of balsa dowel into short lengths for the dock wall, unfortunately ran out so I need to get some more. Here's a pic with a Byzantine Varangian for scale.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8247/8587913290_b7d21346ce.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28016805@N00/8587913290/)
IMG_0530 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28016805@N00/8587913290/) by dewbakuk (http://www.flickr.com/people/28016805@N00/)
Also cut some foamcore to act as low walling for the edge overlooking the street board. It'll make it neater on that side and will act as an anchor point for the fencing.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8233/8586811467_747cc849f5.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28016805@N00/8586811467/)
IMG_0531 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28016805@N00/8586811467/) by dewbakuk (http://www.flickr.com/people/28016805@N00/)
On a more interesting note, I have made a useful discovery :)
My wife has a tendency to fiddle with things when not busy. I have to be careful what I leave on my desk by the computer as she has whittled bits of wood or otherwise messed about with things absentmindedly while using the computer. The other day I put a 4Ground wagon sprue and the tools to build it on a tray and left it next to her on the settee while I made cups of tea. When I came back she had removed bits from the sprue and was looking sheepish. I just laughed and asked if she wanted to build it. I had to go find her the instructions (which I obviously ignore :)) but after pointing out the bits that needed cleaning up, she happily sat there and built it.
So tonight I decided to try an experiment and left said tray of tools and an outbuilding next to her and easy access to the other outbuildings I needed. This was the result :-*
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8516/8586873171_59f08654cb.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28016805@N00/8586873171/)
IMG_0532 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28016805@N00/8586873171/) by dewbakuk (http://www.flickr.com/people/28016805@N00/)
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Quite the useful discovery. lol
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A bit like the 'Elves and the Shoemaker'!
Can't wait to see the finished board.
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You are one lucky chap. My wife would use them as a coffee coaster... lol
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Like all the buildings, looks like the table will be superb. I'll make sure I drop by at Salute - where did you get the warehouse from?
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The warehouse in the pic is a test piece but I'll have two of them finished at Salute. They're being made for me by 4Ground and will be a commercial product once we've ironed out some problems. Not sure any will be available at Salute but 4Ground have a stand so they might manage to get some extras done in time. They should have the three storey terraces they're doing for me though, again the one in the pics is a test piece but the final one will be similar.
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This is starting to look very impressive.
I had my doubts on the whole lentil thing.
I just thought it would be too tedious and take too long, but it really does look good and is obviously viable for such a large area.
:-*
On a more interesting note, I have made a useful discovery :)
.........tonight I decided to try an experiment and left said tray of tools and an outbuilding next to her and easy access to the other outbuildings I needed. This was the result :-*
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8516/8586873171_59f08654cb.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28016805@N00/8586873171/)
The truth is starting to leak out now, sir.
It is Mrs Dewbakuk who is REALLY making these boards, isnt it?
You are just the frontman really.
You have been rumbled, sir!
;)
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Hi Dewk,
Can we assume that we're going to get a progress report over the Easter holidays? I hope that Mrs Dewk will forgive us :D
I am so looking forwards to seeing and playing on these boards at Salute. Three weeks and counting...
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The cobblestones look very effective. I'm sure they'll look great once painted. :)
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Only done small bits over the last couple of days and I had to work today. The walls have been attached at the back and the wall surfaces have mostly been covered by the stone texture I'm using. Unfortunately I ran out of the textured plasticard so tomorrow will involve me going looking for more, as I cleared out the usual shop.
Should mean that I can pull it all together over the next couple of days and then it's just down to painting. I'll take a picture once the walls are done.
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Thanks for the update. There are alot of people out here keen to see these boards :D
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Right, another update :o ;)
I have continued to do a little bit of work each day but it wasn't anything especially noticable or noteworthy for the most part so I haven't taken pics. This weekend I managed to actually get some time to work on it properly so we have a reasonable update :)
This is a pic of the back wall after the embossed card was added. By the yellow clippers you can see the capping stones I cut from a couple of bass wood strips. This pic was taken earlier in the week I think.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8389/8628332713_bd79e24924.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28016805@N00/8628332713/)
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/28016805@N00/8628332713/)
Support posts for the water side. Cut to size from balsa wood and then heavily worn with a wire brush to add texture and age it.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8266/8629438600_77586e3fb1.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28016805@N00/8629438600/)
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/28016805@N00/8629438600/)
The board with textured paint along the water section, capping stones on the wall, and you can just about see the fence. Untextured areas are for the buildings.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8254/8629439786_5d0505d1ac.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28016805@N00/8629439786/)
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/28016805@N00/8629439786/)
Close up of the fence showing the broken section I made that can allow another entry point for the board.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8253/8629439210_270a1f9313.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28016805@N00/8629439210/)
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/28016805@N00/8629439210/)
The waterside wall. This will mostly be hidden by the posts and the small walkway section but it'd look wrong if I'd left it plain or black. Finally found a use for the green GW wash :)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8397/8629438182_15bb996d8c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28016805@N00/8629438182/)
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/28016805@N00/8629438182/)
The board so far.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8546/8628330011_3428966f7e.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28016805@N00/8628330011/)
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/28016805@N00/8628330011/)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8126/8628329507_3772c15423.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28016805@N00/8628329507/)
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/28016805@N00/8628329507/)
The wooden sticks won't be used on the posts, they were there to test the sizes and options. Going for a riveted metal edge piece. The white strips on the wall are the buttress/bracings and will again be riveted metal. The concrete morter is painted of course but the cobbles it holds still have to be picked out. The clay dirt of the London river area isn't too far off but it looks like newly uncovered wet clay. Needs to be made much dustier. Still got to do a bit of painting, add the fence posts by the gate and do the water.
Almost there!
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Its certainly coming together, can't wait to see it. Not long to go now, less than two weeks. :o
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Looking good Dean and coming together nicely. Cant wait to have a game on it at Salute. Oh wait. I'm not going. Bummer.
Looking forward to seeing the finished item.
P.S Is that your scooter in the background of the last pic?
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P.S Is that your scooter in the background of the last pic?
He really should learn to put his toys away rather than just leaving them scattered on the lawn. It will go rusty left there. ;)
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It's got flashy lights on the foot plate, so :P to you lol
Oh wait. I'm not going. Bummer.
Yeah, but I'm a lot closer and cheaper to visit than Salute :D
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That's not a scooter, it's an antique Victorian velocipede (ok so the flashy lights are a later addition)
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:D good looking boards, just need buildings to give better idea of final look
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:D good looking boards, just need buildings to give better idea of final look
Yeah, I was supposed to get some today....
Getting back to cobbles for a second, the cobbles/setts for the road board was causing some issues. I didn't like the effects that I was getting with the different methods I tried so I've tried a new one which seems to work rather well. Basketball style faux leather fabric. It's not cheap but it has a good texture, it's shallower than I'd have liked but as you can see here on this test piece, it takes a drybrush very well. One half was primed black while the other was primed grey, you can just make out the original red between them. The black definately stands out better, although really the gaps between the cobbles should be lighter. Might do another test to see how it looks.
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Actually, I take that back, it's not always lighter :)
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Actually, I take that back, it's not always lighter :)
Certainly not lighter after a downpour!
This is meant to be London, is it not?
;)
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It is and this is for the street sections, so dark it is, certainly easier :)
The dock area is rougher and I always think of rough cobbles like this
(http://www.cobblestonedesign.net/Cobblestone_wall_sidebar_rot_90_rot_90_rot_180.jpg)
(http://good-wallpapers.com/wallpapers/17489/The%20Road%20Paved%20with%20Cobblestones.jpg)
(http://www.hmdb.org/Photos/65/Photo65326.jpg)
Tempting to rip it all off and do it matching with the fabric but I can't do it right now....
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The more regular rectilinear 'cobbles' are usually called setts. Though they can also be squarish too where they can be referred to as cubes or cube setts. The rounder more irregular stones are more what would be termed cobbles, though they can be quite regular too if they are similar sized rounded river or beach washed cobbles.
The laying pattern with the setts you showed is coarsed and is transverse if it runs perpendicular to the kerb and longitudinal if parallel. Sett layout can also be random, fanned or herringbone (more so with modern concrete block paving for vehicle use). The mortar joints in these layouts is much more regular than with cobbles and will vary in colour depending on available materials. Given that the joints often dirty down quickly I'd have no bother highlighting the setts lighter than the base.
Anyway, I'm rambling now. Victorian London in the early part of the 19thC would probably have been stone (mainly granite), though some were apparently wooden (planks with wooden blocks over them jointed with pitch). From Victoria's reign onwards there were much more asphalt and macadam roads. Stone was considered to be too noisy, wood too flimsy and macadam too slippery for horses so a range of surfaces were common. It's only really the setts that remain so that's what we relate to.
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The more regular rectilinear 'cobbles' are usually called setts. Though they can also...
But very useful rambling!
Was there much use of fired brick? Used to be quite common in this town up until a few decades back.
Doug
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That basketball stuff looks the biz once painted 8)
cheers
James
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Agree with Jimbib, the basketball stuff works for me along with the darker look. That's just a personal preference though.
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I think it's worked well.
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Just make sure you're not painting it on the day ;D
cheers
James
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Just make sure you're not painting it on the day ;D
cheers
James
Entirely probable the boards won't be at Salute :(
They'll be finished shortly but there has been another delay with the buildings and now I won't get them until the day. We'll show them there but there's no way to bed them into the boards properly and match weathering etc. We have another board to use so the games are still happening.
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Entirely probable the boards won't be at Salute :(
They'll be finished shortly but there has been another delay with the buildings and now I won't get them until the day. We'll show them there but there's no way to bed them into the boards properly and match weathering etc. We have another board to use so the games are still happening.
Thats a bummer :'(
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They'll got to some other shows and I'll bring them to Blam :)
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That's a real shame mate :(
Does this mean you're back with us now ;)
cheers
James
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Afraid not, will still be running the games, just not on new boards. I'm hoping to have a Martian group for you though :)
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Afraid not, will still be running the games, just not on new boards. I'm hoping to have a Martian group for you though :)
Capital news old boy, more Martians to kill Dave's Frenchies ;) lol
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Capital news old boy, more Martians to kill Dave's Frenchies ;) lol
Huzzah!
lol
cheers
James
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Entirely probable the boards won't be at Salute :(
They'll be finished shortly but there has been another delay with the buildings and now I won't get them until the day. We'll show them there but there's no way to bed them into the boards properly and match weathering etc. We have another board to use so the games are still happening.
Oh no! :o
I'm so sorry to hear that! Will you have enough terrain?
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Should all be fine. We'll be using the 221b Baker Street board from The Bunker.
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Should all be fine. We'll be using the 221b Baker Street board from The Bunker.
Well, it certainly should be 'fine' as that is a lovely set-up.
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Should all be fine. We'll be using the 221b Baker Street board from The Bunker.
I shall look forward to it :)
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'Fine' is too weak a word - in the absence of Dewkabuk's boards, these will be rather marvellous. And I have wanted to see these boards 'for real' for years!
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Have you been over to look/get them yet?
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Next week for a look-see, such a shame about the 'proper' boards but even if the 221B are half as good as the photos I have seen over the years, I think we will be happy chappies until the others are ready.
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Have you been over to look/get them yet?
Any chance of some photos of the 221B Baker St boards? Pretty please? :D
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Do you know, I was hoping to post some here but now cannot find them! I think there were some on here a few months ago or it might have been Frother's? I looked on The Bunker website but nothing in there gallery. Having been aware of them for years, I DO know that they have all the locations and more that one can find on the 221b Baker Street boardgame - docks, park, pub, etc.
We are having a look at them 'in the flesh' on Wednesday, I shall try to take some piccies for all to see.
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Any chance of some photos of the 221B Baker St boards? Pretty please? :D
Here:
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=33208.0
:D
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Cool, cheers Mason. That's not actually the board I was expecting, not sure who's I was thinking of, look forward to seeing it myself :)
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Here:
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=33208.0
OMG!! They are supercalafragilisticexpialadocious!
Thank you for the link. I'm now going for a little lie down...
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Thanks for finding the pictures, I was starting to believe that I was going nuts!
Now, how about THOSE for a sliced of fried gold?
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Hey Dewbakuk,
I have shamelessly stolen your idea for my cobblestone streets for my Empire of the dead London gaming board. I looked at using lentils for the cobbles but found something even better IMO. It's called pearl cous cous. It's available here in Oz , not sure about elsewhere but it has a nice round shape about 1.5mm thick. It's giving a real nice cobble stone effect. I'll post a pic when the board is finished.
Cheers
Fuzzy.
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I was trying it to be helpfull to others :)
I look forward to seeing the result, I think we can get pearl couscous.
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Thinking of finding an alternative that would be more durable (though it would require painting), I wonder how big those plastic pellets intended for stuffing are?
(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/1kg-HDPE-Plastic-Pellets-Granules-Suitable-for-stuffing-weighting-decoration-/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/$(KGrHqFHJF!E+(hRZ+uVBQdwLWP1D!~~60_35.JPG)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1kg-HDPE-Plastic-Pellets-Granules-Suitable-for-stuffing-weighting-decoration-/181126681033?pt=UK_Dolls_Bears_RL&hash=item2a2bfdd1c9#ht_527wt_962 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1kg-HDPE-Plastic-Pellets-Granules-Suitable-for-stuffing-weighting-decoration-/181126681033?pt=UK_Dolls_Bears_RL&hash=item2a2bfdd1c9#ht_527wt_962)
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The best I have seen is raw LDPE granules that they use for extruding polythene. I used to have a couple of sources but alas not any more.
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Thinking of finding an alternative that would be more durable
I doubt durability is an issue. Now the pva has been applied and some paint is on, the cobble area is pretty damned solid.
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The best I have seen is raw LDPE granules that they use for extruding polythene. I used to have a couple of sources but alas not any more.
Yep, agreed. Still got that bag you gave me.
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Hey Dewkabuk,
Are you still working on those beautiful boards that you were planning for Salute? If so can we have an update?
I think that I am not alone in wanting to see how they turn out?
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Unfortunately I'd reached a point where I need the buildings to proceed so that the weathering etc matches. I still haven't had them. I hope the people who bought some at Salute like them ::) ;)
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A bit of a resurection here, but the dock board is finished and was used today. I took a few game pics which I'll put up later. I'll take some good pics later in the week.
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A few pics. Can't embed them for some reason, you'd think it'd be easy within the same forum...
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?action=gallery;su=user;cat=505;u=1667
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That board looks fantastic! I love the height of the warehouses, all of the boxes and lading items everywhere... in short, expertly done!
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Thanks. People definitely enjoyed playing on it and quite a few pics were taken so hopefully some more will show up on the web.
It's currently stashed at North Star as it was going to be difficult to get home last night and Nick was kind enough to let me stash it. I'll pick it up in a couple of days and get some photo's in the sun.
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The 'cobbles' were more awesome in reality than on photos and many people commented on them (indeed many felt the need to run their fingers over them) - after they had stopped gawking at the 4Ground Warehouses.
Unfortunately, due to the insane lighting conditions I didn't get any useful pictures. The hall was quite dim but there was hot summer sun outside. As a result every picture has glare on it.
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Yeah, I have to say I wasn't very impressed by the venue. Apparently not too long ago it had several big chandeliers for lighting etc which have certainly gone and it desperately needs aircon!
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The board looks great Dean. :)
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Great work Dean. Hopefully one day I'll get a chance to play on this board.
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Cheers guys. You'll get your chance Dave, I'll be bringing it to a certain gathering in November ;)
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Cheers guys. You'll get your chance Dave, I'll be bringing it to a certain gathering in November ;)
Bring it to Smoggycon too! :)
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Cheers guys. You'll get your chance Dave, I'll be bringing it to a certain gathering in November ;)
In that case I better start painting my school cadet force company
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That's a cracking board Dean! :-*
I've got my eye on one of those warehouses. Just need to find a way to get it past the Mrs.
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Come on over and we can talk ;)
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You're on. I'll PM you.
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Right, the weather officially sucks. It's too damned hot and whenever I get free time to set up the board outside it rains! I've stolen a few pics from blogs about the Warlord open day though for the time being. Thanks to:
http://blog.cjsutherland.co.uk/warlord-games-open-day-2013/
and
http://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/?p=86723
(http://blog.cjsutherland.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/warlord-games-open-day-2013/dsc07719e.jpg)
(http://blog.cjsutherland.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/warlord-games-open-day-2013/dsc07717e.jpg)
(http://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/WGD13_I56.jpg)
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That looks great. I like the piles being the edge of the board as it gives you the ability to put a board next to it with steam freighters (I picture the old paddle wheeler river boats) or a board with a rail line. Lot of nice options you've left yourself.
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Nice stuff, Dean. I can't be bothered to read the rest of the thread so I'll ask, are the smaller "sheds" laser jobbies too? The 1/50 rail accessories look great.
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That looks great, mate.
Plenty going on, so to speak.
8) 8)
Would be seriously tempted to repaint those MDF bits, though.. ;)
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Nice stuff, Dean. I can't be bothered to read the rest of the thread so I'll ask, are the smaller "sheds" laser jobbies too? The 1/50 rail accessories look great.
Thank you sir. Should the rain ever stop at a point I'm at home, I'll finish the painting on the basketball fabric section. The sheds are indeed laser cuts, these in fact http://www.northstarfigures.com/list.php?man=129&cat=307&page=1
The wooden wc becomes a very useful small shed by just not gluing the wc section inside :)
Would be seriously tempted to repaint those MDF bits, though.. ;)
I'll add more weathering and some posters over time. I don't have an issue with the paint they come with though. Unless you mean the wagons, which aren't mine, but did have their wheel rims painted :)
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I'll add more weathering and some posters over time. I don't have an issue with the paint they come with though. Unless you mean the wagons, which aren't mine, but did have their wheel rims painted :)
That would do it for the buildings.
I feel that the colours need to be broken up in some way as that pinkish colour just looks 'wrong' to me.
Weathering should solve it, as I think they look to clean as is.
Not bad, just too clean for the period
The carts are much more obviously MDF, but as they are not yours, I cannot suggest that you paint them can I?
;)
Great board, though, mate!
8)
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That would do it for the buildings.
I feel that the colours need to be broken up in some way as that pinkish colour just looks 'wrong' to me.
Weathering should solve it, as I think they look to clean as is.
Not bad, just too clean for the period
That's the crux of it though isn't it? These buildings were built in the period so would only be a few years old... consequently they would be new brick and depending on prevailing winds etc, quite possibly not all that soot covered either.
So you'd be looking at walls along this colour
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6220/6230893497_0d0643f1c4.jpg)
There would of course be natural colour variation from the clay but it would all be shades within the same colour. The issue is we're used to looking at Victorian buildings that are over 100 years old. As such they are heavily weathered and stained from the industry of the period.
At the end of the day it's a perception issue. We expect to see Victorian buildings as stained and weathered so even if they wouldn't be, it's probably best to do them as such to maintain the illusion of the game.
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Well my last post was clearly a conversation ender lol
That aside, we finally had a nice day that coincided with me being at home! So here are some pics, although with less shipping goods etc than would be on an actual game. Please ignore the detritus of the garden, it's been destoyed by the builders digging it up to build my gaming building :D
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/14/1667_10_08_13_9_27_41.JPG)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/14/1667_10_08_13_9_31_43_0.JPG)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/14/1667_10_08_13_9_31_45_1.JPG)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/14/1667_10_08_13_9_31_47_2.JPG)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/14/1667_10_08_13_9_31_48_3.JPG)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/14/1667_10_08_13_9_31_49_4.JPG)
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Well worth the wait!
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It is a gorgeous table, mate.
Those views from below, showing the brickwork and railings, look stunning.
Very atmospheric.
8)
Well my last post was clearly a conversation ender lol
lol
I just did not want to continue it and make it look like an arguement, mate, as they was not my intention.
Just my perception of the look of the period, thats all.
Certainly not knocking your view.
;)
..... it's been destoyed by the builders digging it up to build my gaming building :D
I was going to call you a git, but I may be joining you in that direction, so that would be just be wrong.
I would most likely be the builder in my case, though...
::)
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Beautiful :-*
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Gawgus me 'ol mucker! :-* :-*
Sod the wargaming chambers, you didn't tell me you've gone and bought a pink bike! (4th pic) I want one now! (folds arms and skulks off).
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So, now that the first board is documented it can be put away until November to make space for others :)
First up is the next part of this board set, although some of these pics were taken over the last couple of weeks.
So, the board...
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/14/1667_10_08_13_9_57_00.JPG)
Now the board with the basketball fabric glued on but not trimmed.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/14/1667_10_08_13_9_57_46.JPG)
Close up of the fabric pattern.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/14/1667_10_08_13_9_58_29.JPG)
Board and fabric undercoated.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/14/1667_10_08_13_9_59_07.JPG)
Close up of the pattern after paint applied.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/14/1667_10_08_13_9_59_44.JPG)
Next stage is drybrushing.
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Looks good. Are you going to spill the beans on how much the fabric cost? Feel free to PM it to me ;)
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Sod the wargaming chambers, you didn't tell me you've gone and bought a pink bike! (4th pic) I want one now! (folds arms and skulks off).
It's got silver streamers from the handle bars too :D
I was going to call you a git, but I may be joining you in that direction, so that would be just be wrong.
I would most likely be the builder in my case, though...
::)
Too much work for me! I think my wife is potentially looking forward to it more than me :D
Looks good. Are you going to spill the beans on how much the fabric cost? Feel free to PM it to me ;)
£35 inc shipping. Not cheap but it is good.
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That looks very effective :-* :-* :-*
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Life has been making it hard to get this finished but I've been plodding away. Here are a couple of pics showing progress.
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Actually - speaking as an inveterate hater of laser cut MDF buildings - those look blinking great Dean :-* :-*
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Lovely. :D
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Actually - speaking as an inveterate hater of laser cut MDF buildings - those look blinking great Dean :-* :-*
Agreed!
:-*
Still not sure about the bricks... ;)
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where do you buy your basketball fabric .
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Thanks guys. Basketball fabric is from ebay, it ain't cheap.
Actually - speaking as an inveterate hater of laser cut MDF buildings - those look blinking great Dean :-* :-*
Obviously I'm not a hater, but not do I think it's the saviour as some fanatics seem to spout. It is however very good at representing mass construction styles like Victorian cities, where what you actually want is rows and rows of identical buildings with a few shops/stations etc mixed in. Plus these have several layers which adds plenty of depth etc to the shape rather than just having a flat surface with etchings. Looks better but takes a LOT longer to make them.
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Well, the issue with a lot of the kits is the size of the bricks is too big.
With an appropriately sized brick pattern, I'd try to run a steel pin or something in between the lines to make the lines slightly less perfect/clean and roughen up the surface of the blicks so they're not too smooth.
It's probably a lot of extra work though.
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I'd like to +1 the question of where you buy the basketball fabric from-I live in the USA so a specific vendor would likely be useless, but what KIND of vendor did you find it at? How did you locate them? I've been looking for a low-effort, in-scale cobblestone solution for years now, and tat stuff looks like one of the best yet!
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Looking good matey. :-*
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I'd like to +1 the question of where you buy the basketball fabric from-I live in the USA so a specific vendor would likely be useless, but what KIND of vendor did you find it at? How did you locate them? I've been looking for a low-effort, in-scale cobblestone solution for years now, and tat stuff looks like one of the best yet!
It is really good, but about £30 a square meter.
You have been warned.
Like the man said, do a search on ebay for basketball fabric.
It is there to be found, in the UK at least.
I imagine it may be easier to find, and maybe cheaper, in your neck of the woods.
;)
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i have not found on ebay in EU,
and from USA, Postage is most expensive than the product ... 38,99 euros postage with USPS seems crazy !
http://www.ebay.fr/itm/Vinyl-Basketball-ORANGE-Upholstery-Fabric-/180947035574?pt=US_Fabric&hash=item2a2148a5b6 (http://www.ebay.fr/itm/Vinyl-Basketball-ORANGE-Upholstery-Fabric-/180947035574?pt=US_Fabric&hash=item2a2148a5b6)
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Whtknt1066, I got my basketball material from a Joann's fabric store. It came in a 72" wide roll, so 2 and a half yards was enough to do a 4x8 table. That was a few years ago, but check fabric retailers. Look for faux leather basketball or football material. Also if you are just doing a small area Joanns and Michaels both carry a textured paper version in 8 1/2 x 11 sheets.
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Thanks guys! Those leads are great. I actually got up off my lazy bum and googled for it myself. The two I found were available on Amazon.com (of all places). One was from the Spaulding company and was $30 a yard for 58" wide. However, I found another one by a no-name company for $10 a yard at 38" wide! No idea if its good or not, we'll see. I ordered it, and if I like it I'll order more. I'll let you know!
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Wow! Just wow! I'm hoping to get my paws on some of these buildings this Christmas. I'd love to recreate your boards as they are superb!
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Awesome stuff (4Ground whore here). That's a lot of money in buildings, but that's a magnificent way to have a fantastic very 3D up-n-down gaming table. Something cool about seeing buildings that large that you can actually play/game in. Lovely stuff.
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My $10 basketball fabric arrived! I'm...90% happy with the texture. I'd actually prefer slightly larger "cobbles", but unless I want to sculpt an entire table myself this is a great alternative. Thanks for the tip!
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I love your game board, and it is an innovative idea, but what is missing is the pavements (side-walks). I think if you added a base to your buildings with the pavements built it, that would still give you the flexibility to put your buildings wherever you want, but would look much cooler.
just my thoughts
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At the time pavements were only common on popular modern avenues and streets. In the East End and Docks areas they would have been quite rare.
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Thanks for the tip!
No problem, show us how it comes out.
but what is missing is the pavements (side-walks)
I've talked about this previously as it was a concious decision but that was pages ago :)
As Craig said, the rougher/denser areas of London wouldn't have had pavements and even today there are older areas of the city that only have kerb stones running along the edge of a building as the streets aren't wide enough for pavements. Pavements were/are much more prominent in the Gerorgian areas of the city which also tended to be wealthier. I saw a great photo this weekend that showed a street with both Georgian and Victorian buildings along it, the Victorian buildings had much smaller pavements in front of them and that was on the same street. Quite a few photo's show the 'pavement' area of Victorian streets as just being a change in the cobble pattern of the street.