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Other Stuff => Workbench => Topic started by: Vermis on March 11, 2013, 08:20:31 PM
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A wee bit later than planned, but here's the first sketches.
(http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/3114/vsfherosketch001.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/163/vsfherosketch001.jpg/)
Top half: a fairly straightforward port of a familiar fellow, with some spanish-californian swordsman flourishes. A few different options there.
Bottom half: he's a wee bit redundant - I should've kept up with communications - but here he is anyway. A more Spring-Heeled Jack type character: a nutty inventor and his prototype rocket pack that allows him to leap to fantastic heights. Complete with capelike foldaway wings stabilizers, galvanoculars which spark a startlingly bright blue, and his peculiar white oilskin overalls.
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Okay... the image is embedded and I can see it trying to load, but then it disappears. Is it showing up for everyone else?
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Shows up for me, nice sketches ;)
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Works fine for me.
I like it. If I were doing this, I'd say top guy with the bottom guy's jacket. The double breast would look good under that coat. Also needs a grappling pistol :)
There was a good one in Warehouse 13 used by the HG Wells character.... hang on.... here you go:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y267/Division6/Warehouse%2013/HGWellsGrappleGun.jpg)
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I can see it fine and could earlier too. Nice concepts but I consider the project private and will not impose with my opinions.
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Ignore my PM Vermis, I hadn't realised the sketches were on here! :D
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nice, I loved Gotham By Gaslight...
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ed/Gotham_by_Gaslight.jpg)
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Okay... the image is embedded and I can see it trying to load, but then it disappears. Is it showing up for everyone else?
I can see it just fine as well... Or at least I think I can :P
Anyway. Both are very nice concepts but as per I said in the other thread, I'm partial to the "Sping-heeled Jack" one and would still prefer him to be exchangeable as either SJ or NotBatman. So I would ditch the rocket (SJ doesn't need to have one and while NB certainly could use one he doesn't necessarily need it either) and make his ears longer so they could be thought of as demonic horns as well as bat ears (this kinda thing has been done in some Batman stories, I was thinking of the Elseworlds album Holy Terror but that wasn't one of those after all). Also I would like to see him sporting ninja hand claws as SJ was sometimes said to have steel claws. Breathing fire is a bit problematic without making an entire separate demon head but I suppose it could be just thought of as another ninja style gimmick and doesn't need to presented, it was not as if SJ was breathing fire constantly.
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I suggest you to look for Parliament of Justice, from Oeming, its a really VSF superhero
http://www.amazon.com/Parliament-Justice-Michael-Avon-Oeming/dp/B006N1LB62
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-RgAkEsURK8Q/UKqkcjOiaII/AAAAAAAAAZQ/5lTs5X3mnvM/s1600/Parliament+of+Justice.jpg)
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Second sketch, according to instruction. Sorry guys, I did say the Spring-Heeled Jack stuff was redundant for now.
Also, proportions are a bit off in this (the head looked a lot smaller when I was sketching the stickman pose) but should show the basic idea.
Doing this 'professionally' is a lot more nerve-wracking. ::)
(http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/6848/vsfherosketch002.jpg)
Dewbakuk: I did consider a grappling pistol. Honest I did. :) We'll see what Those Who Sit Above In Shadow say about it.
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Very nice. Hopefully I can be involved in this one.
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Can't see the pic :(
Even using the URL directly it won't load for me.
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And the first one still doesn't work for me. Typical!
Does this link work?
http://imageshack.us/f/62/vsfherosketch002.jpg/
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Looks great. Is this figure going to be made available after it's cast for sale or is it only for the primary backers?
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Yep, that link works. Very nice, I like it.
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Looks great. Is this figure going to be made available after it's cast for sale or is it only for the primary backers?
Hey guys, we 're still working out the details but some should be available to our fellow LAF'ers.
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Great, as I would love to have one, but right now, almost every spare penny goes to funding my own ever expanding range of privately commissioned figures.
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Wow!
any chance of loose multiple hands with different weapons?
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Wow!
any chance of loose multiple hands with different weapons?
That is a great idea, and you could get the grapple hook in that way also
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That is a great idea, and you could get the grapple hook in that way also
good point! maybe a "hand with weapon" sprue of revolver, sword and grapple hook for the right hand and rope, revolver and open hand for the left
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It does open up a world of possibilities
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Sorry to all participants and onlookers for the lack of progress over the last few days. I ordered some scale guides for this project last week and I'm still twiddling my thumbs waiting for them. Much longer and I'll start to look like my avatar again.
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I would have sent you one if I had one but this is a new era for me too.
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No worries Vermis, I'm impatient but only cause' I'm excited ;D!
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I ordered some scale guides for this project last week and I'm still twiddling my thumbs waiting for them.
Guess what arrived this morning! Who had 'three weeks' in the office pool?
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Guess what arrived this morning! Who had 'three weeks' in the office pool?
Awesome, can't wait to see it take shape! If I've said it once I've said it twice, one of the most annoying things in this hobby is companies not telling you a product is out of stock when you order it.
Anyway, as far as hand options (grapple gun, etc...) that's up to you, if you want to toy with the idea of hand options I won't tell you no, with your generous discount on the sculpting costs I was trying to keep the bells & whistles to a minimum that's all ;).
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A month since the last post? Whoof. Apologies to all for delays due to slow post, overburdened goblins, and trips to London-toon. But things are rolling now; here's the first progress pic. :)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7425/8724062284_d3e2cce59b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/65937633@N05/8724062284/)
I was pleasantly surprised to see the EotD minis are 'true' 28mm. Not that I have a burning vendetta against chunkier 32mms, or what have you, but still. This guy is (or will be) just a smidge taller than Sherlock - 28-28.5mm to the eyes, if he was standing upright. Fixed the armature with a mix of greenstuff and apoxie sculpt, slightly more GS.
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Can't wait to see it ;)
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Some wee bits: posed, cut and steadied the arms.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7285/8735867535_37af8ce816.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/65937633@N05/8735867535/)
I have to mention that Ironmammoth's figure scale guide (http://ironmammoth.blogspot.co.uk/2011/04/figure-sculpting-scale-size-and.html) is a pretty handy piece of kit for thjis step and the previous ones.
Bulked up a bit more with GS + apoxie sculpt for extra sturdiness, especially around the limbs. Not too much - I want to leave some room for a decent GS (or near-GS) layer.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7285/8736987684_484c8b474e.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/65937633@N05/8736987684/)
A little bit of indecision now. Do I bulk out the back half, lay the cloak over it, and finish off the front half; or sculpt it all sans cloak and add that last? The former, I think. I might tend to go overboard with detail that'll just be hidden, otherwise.
Then there's sticking on the cloak itself, as one sheet of putty, the way stinking talented sculptors make look so easy. I've tried it once myself with reasonable results - might take me a couple of tries to get it just so, this time.
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I'm sure whatever you deciede it'll look great! Can't wait to see more.
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Apologies to all for the wait. Other sculpts and other distractions popped up over the last month, in addition to the slight scale creep that made me cut back some areas of this sculpt.* (As it is now, it's just marginally taller than EotD Sherlock Holmes, but a fair bit burlier. I hope that seems appropriate for the original influence.) But I've been chipping away at it anyway, and I got a couple of new photos tonight before the camera's batteries died on me. And that washed out most of the detail of the abs, let alone the fiddly wee serratus I just finished shoving up under it's armpits. Mutter.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7310/9095291939_93bbc86823.jpg)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7341/9095293121_af39551a09.jpg)
So... yeah, there are rough parts at neck, arms and thighs, but WIP and all that. The important bit for now, is that I think I've done all the areas that'll be awkward or impossible when I get the cape on. That's what I'll psyche myself up for tomorrow. Then it should largely be a matter of face, hands, and sundry details.
*And the putty not wanting to play. I think it might have something to do with the unusual summer weather - sunny and warm.
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That's really taking shape. Looking forward to seeing it develop.
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might take me a couple of tries to get it just so, this time.
Sometimes I bleedin' well hate sculptin'.
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'Owzat!
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3694/9144984356_3a84d631a2_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/65937633@N05/9144984356/)
Second try was a little better. It's not entirely spectacular (only my second single-putty-sheet cloak) or finished, but now that it's on and positioned, I can take care of that: tidying, shaving, adding, bulking, shaping. I'll especially want to fill in some spaces under the cloak, and for that purpose I wouldn't mind notes from any sculptors and casters in the audience.
Also, abs and serratus are a little bit easier to see now. ;) Although a lot of that detail is going to have cloth wrinkles stretched across it.
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Like what I see so far, brilliant :-*
And no,go back sculpting lol
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Looking good.
Speaking as a caster, there are the obvious things such as filling the areas behind the legs and torso to make them solid. If they aren't then the pressure from making the mold will push them in. On a less obvious note, bring the cloak in on the left leg, it won't effect the style/pose but as it is now with a thin gap that goes down and through, you're looking at a probable tear point for the rubber during casting. Particularly an issue if you're intending to get all the figures cast from the master mold.
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I aten't dead!
I can only offer profuse apologies for the lack of progress here, and the mild excuse that July was a distracting and not-very-good month for me. But, things are quieting down again and I should be able to push on.
I've tried filling in parts of the underside of the cloak (as per Dewbakuk's instructions - ta muchly!) but most of it's a bit tricky without coming at it from underneath, i.e. through the stand. So I'm going to concentrate on building up the front detail first.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7378/9509794642_922228d3dc.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/65937633@N05/9509794642/)
Yes, one of the ears is twice the size of the other! It's got some magic sculp in it, and I want to make sure it's well cured and hardened before I go carving and sanding it down to match the other.
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Looking good! Thanks for the update ;)
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Nice job with the cloak!
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Wondering about the belt - I never really defined it in the sketch. Would something like the Slade-Wallace style be appropriate?
http://www.militaryhistoryworkshop.co.uk/shop/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=440
http://www.victorianwars.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=8355
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Wondering about the belt - I never really defined it in the sketch. Would something like the Slade-Wallace style be appropriate?
http://www.militaryhistoryworkshop.co.uk/shop/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=440
http://www.victorianwars.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=8355
Would be fine for me, let's hear what my partners say ;)
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No problem for me ;)
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I like the buckle style, I still want some assorted size pouches though.
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It's ok with me. I also like the idea of some pouches or small bags hanging from it too.
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I like the buckle style, I still want some assorted size pouches though.
Of course he needs pouches :D
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I still want some assorted size pouches though.
I can't quite recall that, but will this do? :)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7448/9569714360_57e8ce1e50_o.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/65937633@N05/9569714360/)
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That's excellent work Vermis!! :-*
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Looking good!
I've completely missed this somehow, what's it for?
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I can't quite recall that, but will this do? :)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7448/9569714360_57e8ce1e50_o.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/65937633@N05/9569714360/)
It's a thumbs up from me :)
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That's perfect! ;)
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Ha! That is looking bad-ass :-*!!!!!!!
Looking good!
I've completely missed this somehow, what's it for?
Hey Andrew, it's a little group funded miniature a couple of us were trying for fun that Vermis generously agreed to sculpt. Hopefully if it all goes as planned there will be some available to our fellow LAFers.
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Ha! That is looking bad-ass :-*!!!!!!!
Hey Andrew, it's a little group funded miniature a couple of us were trying for fun that Vermis generously agreed to sculpt. Hopefully if it all goes as planned there will be some available to our fellow LAFers.
I'd be interested in one if that goes to plan...
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Ha! That is looking bad-ass :-*!!!!!!!
Hey Andrew, it's a little group funded miniature a couple of us were trying for fun that Vermis generously agreed to sculpt. Hopefully if it all goes as planned there will be some available to our fellow LAFers.
Cool, I've been in my own bubble for a while....
Good luck! ;)
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Well that is looking very nice now!
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Gettin' somewhere!
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5512/9809117705_c292995f07_o.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/65937633@N05/9809117705/)
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Looking good! ;)
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Very much so! This is really turning out well. Great job on that utility belt so far too! Is the belt going to have the vertical straps?
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Nice job, very characterful.
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Excellent sculpting. 8)
Designwise, I think the chest area seems a bit plain for the period, I'd expect something more like a military jacket style.
Likewise, the classic batman cowl seems too stylised for something supposed to be victorian. I'd expect more something like a venetian style mask covering the upper face (but not the hair), maybe with the pointy ears added.
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Exellent sculpting. 8)
Designwise, I think the chest area seems a bit plain for the period, I'd expect something more like a military jacket style.
Likewise, the classic batman cowl seems too stylised for something supposed to be victorian. I'd expect more something like a venetian style mask covering the upper face (but not the hair), maybe with the pointy ears added.
I think having the vertical strap extensions for the belt might help break up that chest space.
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Gettin' somewhere!
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5512/9809117705_c292995f07_o.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/65937633@N05/9809117705/)
Great work, love what I see :-*
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Fram & WK: where were you lot at the start of the topic? Or the previous one? ;D
Chest: the cape of the ulster is only roughed in at the mo. It'll be enlarged when it's skinned over, and it'll leave fairly little of the chest - and part of the belly for that matter - exposed. The cowl isn't a fancy Christian Bale graphite helmet, or even Michael Keaton rubber: it's not altogether apparent in these photos (trying to get details to show up in them has been a bugbear. Notice the darkening backdrop in the last few) but it's pretty much a cloth bag with three holes and bat ears sewn in. Not much more sophisticated than the Shadow or Rorschach.
Moot, anyway. I've got specific and long-suffering clients for this thing, who signed off on the final design. ;)
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Yeah that's fair. I didn't get involved at the time, because I have my own miniature ranges to fund and only voiced some things that came up in my mind upon seeing the WIP.
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I must admit I did also like the idea of the mask approach but I like how it's coming on (very much!).
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Once again, sincerest apologies to all involved (and also sorry about the crappy photo - I'll try to get a better one), but you might be pleased to know that the last details have been added. Some tidying up with a knife in areas, especially that big ear; pop off the cork; get some putty in underneath to fill out the cloak and put a proper slotta on; and hopefully that'll be it.
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3828/10558998436_78351e5857_o.jpg)
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Looking good Vermis!
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Superb sculpt! :o :o
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You're the most talented glacier I know, Warren. ;D ;)
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Looks good. If there's a possibility to do so, I'll buy two. ;)
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Very nice, Vermis.
Great work, worth the waiting :)
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Lovely, lovely work. :-*
Now to save me reading 5 pages of thread, is this going to be cast up...?
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Lovely, lovely work. :-*
Now to save me reading 5 pages of thread, is this going to be cast up...?
It will...at least that's our plan ;)
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That looks great! I'd be up to buying one!
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It will...at least that's our plan ;)
Count m in then please guys. ;)
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I'll keep you in mind :)
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Same here...
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please add me to the list
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Verrry nearly done. But I've been filling the cloak in and I've no idea how well it might cast in one piece, if at all. Can I ask any pros and experts to take a look, tell me what they think? Also, what about the length of the legs? As far as I can tell they're in proportion, but from the front they look a bit stumpy...
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7295/11197533523_817ca6a345_o.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/65937633@N05/11197533523/)
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2883/11197535463_c2e089a5ed_o.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/65937633@N05/11197535463/)
(I know I say this every time, but again, sorry! I shock myself with passage of time between posts.)
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The legs look fine. But that's just my 2 cents :D
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Looks great. I'm in if it's cast up.
The lower right leg & cape might be a challenge to cast with the usual two part mold...
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The legs look fine. His collar and cowl make him look like he has a (slightly) big head (he doesn't), which is probably making you think his legs are too short in proportion.
He's a stocky fellow, and not particularly tall, but he doesn't look wrong.
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I think he looks great. I suspect it's the boots throwing your eye off, they are just above the knee, close enough that your brain is probably putting the joint at the top of the boot unless you think about it. Legs look fine.
Cloak doesn't look to be a problem with casting. The general bulk it gives the figure will create a larger cavity in the mould which will allow the metal to fill those little points at the bottom without too much trouble. You have two potential rip points that I can see, but without holding the green it's hard to know for certain, they might not be an issue.
The bottom right of the cloak where it curls around his foot, you've filled the bottom but how deep is the hollow at the top between the boot and the cloak? If it's only shallow and smooth then it's not an issue.
The gap between the left arm and the torso, under the cowl has a rather deep shadow in that first pic. It could just be the angle and light but think of the rubber being a plug that goes into it. If that plug narrows as it goes into the recess then it will come out fine, if it gets wider then it might get stuck and rip, which means subsequent casts won't have that recess any more.
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I think the legs are fine, ok we're really close here so lets finally put a bow on this thing & get it cast up!
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He looks great actually, I'd like a couple. 8)
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The legs are fine, Vermis, and the whole mini looks great :-*
As Goon3423 said, let's get him to the caster ;D
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He looks great actually, I'd like a couple. 8)
WK after your last set of great minis I'm still holding out hope you'll get us a WW2 version!
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Is there any imagery floating around of a WW2 Bats?
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Is there any imagery floating around of a WW2 Bats?
Look at JSA Liberty Files, outstanding WW2 story with Bats, Hourman & Dr, Midnight. Great designs & a great read to boot!
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Would love to have that VSF Bats. He looks great. :-*
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Niiiiiice! :)
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Looks great (including the proportions!).
Now, when is it getting cast up...? :D
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I'm in! Take my money!
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Hey guys, Vermis did a great job & we're ready to go we just have to figure out some casting issues. The deal we originally had set in place looks like it's not going to happen so we have to find an alternative caster. So just a wee bit longer...
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Well, when you sort it out, I would love to buy one of the copies!
Pity you're not in Germany... Schilling (http://www.zinnfiguren-schilling.de/) offers a great casting service.
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Hey guys, Vermis did a great job & we're ready to go we just have to figure out some casting issues. The deal we originally had set in place looks like it's not going to happen so we have to find an alternative caster. So just a wee bit longer...
Make sure you keep us updated. :)
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Hey guys, Vermis did a great job & we're ready to go we just have to figure out some casting issues. The deal we originally had set in place looks like it's not going to happen so we have to find an alternative caster. So just a wee bit longer...
Any update on this one, I've been itching to give someone money. :)
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Any update on this one, I've been itching to give someone money. :)
Hopefully we'll have some March-ish...
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Hopefully we'll have some March-ish...
:D Thank you, looking forward to that.
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Hopefully we'll have some March-ish...
Cool. :)
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'Bout time I stuck these up here. Pics of the finished sculpt.
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3749/13173331963_e090ea769d_o.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/65937633@N05/13173331963/)
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2666/13173221785_04ddb5325d_o.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/65937633@N05/13173221785/)
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3730/13173485254_6c70e5a55d_o.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/65937633@N05/13173485254/)
First miniature pics taken with my Nokia Lumia 1020. Not so bad when they're shrunk down like this; but after splashing out on the phone, these photos and others make me wonder if the humongous camera in it is as fantasmagorical and foolproof as they make out. Maybe if I can get a proper tripod mount, lighting, and maybe even bodge some kind of macro attachment...
Can't test any of it on this mini, though. He's long gone!
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And here are the castings :D
(http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt196/Comsquare/DSC02600_zps88ff66d9.jpg) (http://s611.photobucket.com/user/Comsquare/media/DSC02600_zps88ff66d9.jpg.html)
(http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt196/Comsquare/DSC02602_zps6d41040d.jpg) (http://s611.photobucket.com/user/Comsquare/media/DSC02602_zps6d41040d.jpg.html)
It was our very own Prof who kindly helped us getting him casted.
Thanks Alex.
And a few comparison pics for those interested
(http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt196/Comsquare/DSC02608_zpsc518efa5.jpg) (http://s611.photobucket.com/user/Comsquare/media/DSC02608_zpsc518efa5.jpg.html)
West Wind Cossack, The Dark Hero
(http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt196/Comsquare/DSC02610_zpsedbc3b06.jpg) (http://s611.photobucket.com/user/Comsquare/media/DSC02610_zpsedbc3b06.jpg.html)
Artizan Fallschirmjäger, TDH
(http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt196/Comsquare/DSC02607_zpsafb954ed.jpg) (http://s611.photobucket.com/user/Comsquare/media/DSC02607_zpsafb954ed.jpg.html)
Copplestone Gangster, TDH
(http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt196/Comsquare/DSC02606_zpsed142b6f.jpg) (http://s611.photobucket.com/user/Comsquare/media/DSC02606_zpsed142b6f.jpg.html)
TDH, Pulp Figres Sailor
(http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt196/Comsquare/DSC02605_zps3c9c0122.jpg) (http://s611.photobucket.com/user/Comsquare/media/DSC02605_zps3c9c0122.jpg.html)
Urban War, TDH, Foundry Viking, TDH
Later today we will start a sales-thread about the ones we have spare.
But we only have 20 copies, so be quick then ;)
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I have to say, I'm delighted with the result. A big thank you to Vermis! I can't wait to get mine.
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Really hope to be able to buy one. :)
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I have to say, I'm delighted with the result. A big thank you to Vermis! I can't wait to get mine.
Big thank you to you guys for the commission and especially the patience. :D I'm glad it turned out to everyone's satisfaction.
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I have to say, I'm delighted with the result. A big thank you to Vermis! I can't wait to get mine.
Same here. Damn fine work! Thanks Vermis!
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Would love to get hold of one of those, anyone know when the sales thread opens up? ;D
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Would love to get hold of one of those, anyone know when the sales thread opens up? ;D
HI. Sales thread is here, though they're going fast.
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=64677.0
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Many thanks for that :)
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(http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt196/Comsquare/DSC02607_zpsafb954ed.jpg) (http://s611.photobucket.com/user/Comsquare/media/DSC02607_zpsafb954ed.jpg.html)
Copplestone Gangster, TDH
Wolverine's hand and head are taken from this Heroclix?
(http://www.luck-of-the-draw.com/ekmps/shops/luckofthedraw/images/heroclix-armor-wars-wolverine-220-limited-edition-893-p.jpg)