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Title: VSF Gritty or Whimsical
Post by: The Gray Ghost on March 17, 2013, 03:04:29 PM
I have always had trouble deciding if my vsf games should be gritty or whimsical
Title: Re: VSF Gritty or Whimsical
Post by: fastolfrus on March 17, 2013, 03:12:19 PM
Depends where you are playing and who you play against?
Title: Re: VSF Gritty or Whimsical
Post by: Dewbakuk on March 17, 2013, 03:56:39 PM
A bit of whimsy is fine but I much prefer a more 'sensible' game.
Title: Re: VSF Gritty or Whimsical
Post by: Red Orc on March 17, 2013, 05:12:10 PM
In trying to define my approach to VSF I coined the expression 'rivets and whimsy'.

They sounded like characters so I started thinking about 'The Improbable Adventures of Rivets McGurk and Whimsy Pootling'. He's an aeronef mechanic, she's a big-game hunting aristo.

In short - gritty and whimsical.
Title: Re: VSF Gritty or Whimsical
Post by: answer_is_42 on March 17, 2013, 05:41:01 PM
Yes, both, as long as one remains in period. I suggest having a good read through some VSF itself. The usual emphasis of Victorian and Edwardian fiction is rather more to the 'gritty' Social-Darwinist side, though not entirely.

At the one end we have Wells' The Land Ironclads (1903):

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And he was much too good a journalist to spoil his contrast by remarking that the half-dozen comparatively slender young men in blue pajamas who were standing about their victorious land ironclad, drinking coffee and eating biscuits, had also in their eyes and carriage something not altogether degraded below the level of a man.
http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks06/0604041h.html

And at the other end Robida's La Guerre au Vingtiéme Siécle (1887):

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Business is business! Nowadays, in civilized countries, commercial treaties are imposed by gunfire. 'Well, well!' Molinas thought 'I only hope that it will not ruin my bathing holiday.' As he was finishing his cigarette, an announcement came through on the telephonograph.
Mobilization Orders
M. Molinas Fabius is assigned as Gunner, 2nd Class, to the Territorial Section, 6th Squadron. Today, at five o'clock, he will rejoin the aircraft Épervier at 3,200 metres above Pontoise.

'Damn it!' exclaimed Molinas, as he leapt to his feet. 'It's almost 1.00pm!...I've only just got time...I won't be going to the sea-side this year!'
(afraid I can't find an online copy of this)
Title: Re: VSF Gritty or Whimsical
Post by: Ramshackle_Curtis on March 17, 2013, 06:16:25 PM

Gritty verses Whimsical?
Title: Re: VSF Gritty or Whimsical
Post by: KevinH on March 17, 2013, 06:24:56 PM
I like Witty and Grimsical!
Title: Re: VSF Gritty or Whimsical
Post by: Sterling Moose on March 17, 2013, 06:38:13 PM
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A bit of whimsy is fine but I much prefer a more 'sensible' game.


+1, though my whimsy never includes daft names for places or characters   >:(
Title: Re: VSF Gritty or Whimsical
Post by: Yankeepedlar01 on March 17, 2013, 06:55:37 PM
Well, I'd vote for whimsey every time, and daft names.  :D
Title: Re: VSF Gritty or Whimsical
Post by: OSHIROmodels on March 17, 2013, 07:13:14 PM
Well, I'd vote for whimsey every time, and daft names.  :D

This, with a healthy helping of double entendre mixed in for good measure  :D

cheers

James
Title: Re: VSF Gritty or Whimsical
Post by: thebinmann on March 17, 2013, 07:33:49 PM
I have always had trouble deciding if my vsf games should be gritty or whimsical

Have a look here, I think it's a good starting point

http://www.forgottenfutures.com/

And in particular here:

http://www.forgottenfutures.com/game/index.htm

And whimsy here:

http://www.forgottenfutures.com/game/ff8/

Olus throughout the books there are some great names and era art...
Title: Re: VSF Gritty or Whimsical
Post by: KevinH on March 17, 2013, 08:44:31 PM
This, with a healthy helping of double entendre mixed in for good measure  :D

cheers

James

I too like to slip in a double entendre whenever possible.
Title: Re: VSF Gritty or Whimsical
Post by: Froggy the Great on March 17, 2013, 10:27:13 PM
I knew of a guy on an old BBS whose screename was "Doug L. Entendre".  French agent, anyone?

I tried gritty, then went so far out the other side of whimsical and ahistorical that I struggle to regain steampunk, much less VSF.
Title: Re: VSF Gritty or Whimsical
Post by: Dewbakuk on March 17, 2013, 10:32:59 PM
I too like to slip in a double entendre whenever possible.

She said to the vicar!  lol
Title: Re: VSF Gritty or Whimsical
Post by: The_Beast on March 18, 2013, 02:24:20 AM
Probably don't have the right sense of 'whimsical', but seems a bit light and fluffy. I'm all for tongue-in-cheek, but daft names work best when they seem the kind of daft you know blindsides you in reality.

On the other hand, reality for the historical period, in the main, was grim enough that I'm figuring any gaming I do counts as 'whimsical'.

I mean, good gosh, lye soap? Tincture of arsenic? *shudder*

Doug
Title: Re: VSF Gritty or Whimsical
Post by: HerbyF on March 18, 2013, 04:37:05 AM
Gritty is good in VSF. A little whimzy helps too. It is a flavor of the period. They are both present in most of my colonial games too. A lot of hard fought battles between smaller groups of colonial powers forces vs native mobs peppered with whimsical bits. Like in one of my unit of Fuzzies I have a figure that is naked & has only a spear. He has established himself as somewhat heroic in several battles. In one he stood & fought after all the rest of his unit was killed & single handedly killed 2 royal marines, 3 sailors, and the captain of a Nile steamer. We call him Buc E Bar Ras. After all we are here to enjoy our games & have fun.
Title: Re: VSF Gritty or Whimsical
Post by: The_Beast on March 18, 2013, 11:56:20 AM
We call him Buc E Bar Ras.

I bow to your superior sense of whimsy.  ;)

Doug
Title: Re: VSF Gritty or Whimsical
Post by: XCIV on March 22, 2013, 09:05:44 PM
I like a good dash of whimsey.

And daft names.
Title: Re: VSF Gritty or Whimsical
Post by: zebcook on March 23, 2013, 03:52:10 PM
Whimsical with a backbone of history.

How else are you going to justify the incredibly inappropriate toys that show up in the ranks? No general in his right mind would actually use the daft inventions we like to field.
Title: Re: VSF Gritty or Whimsical
Post by: Sinewgrab on March 23, 2013, 04:16:14 PM
I like to treat the premise with all due seriousness, and then sprinkle it with sly humor and whimsy.  I mean, heck, anyone who looks at my Free Norway Project knows I like to build backgrounds that explain what this ridiculous combination in front of you is, and how it came to be...

US Cavalry on a D&D bulette - oh, well, the Lennsmann were trained by US Cavalry officers, and the bulette is a form of sandworm that evolved in the highlands, where there is less sand and more solid rock...and then I'll have them led by a man named Captain Armstrong, an elderly American soldier who fled earth after a failed military sorty, and is thought to be dead by his former associates.

And name my desert Martians' religious leader Mullah Dib.
Title: Re: VSF Gritty or Whimsical
Post by: Captain Blood on March 23, 2013, 04:20:33 PM
I like Witty and Grimsical!

Heh heh. You beat me to it  ;)

Surely VSF is by definition whimsical, n'est ce pas?

Whimsical meaning fanciful.
Title: Re: VSF Gritty or Whimsical
Post by: Dewbakuk on March 23, 2013, 05:30:53 PM
Heh heh. You beat me to it  ;)

Surely VSF is by definition whimsical, n'est ce pas?

Whimsical meaning fanciful.

To an extent. It can go too far though. For example I really don't like the Pax Limpopo range by Eureka as it's way too whimsical for my liking. Others think it's great though, each to their own.
Title: Re: VSF Gritty or Whimsical
Post by: DrVesuvius on March 25, 2013, 05:06:24 PM
I like things fairly gritty in terms of vehicles and equipment.  Basically VBCW but fifty years early, with only one or two more far-out toys.  And I try and keep scenarios fairly sensible.

Names and placenames however, go from the whimsical to the downright Pythonesque.  We've fought over places like Nether Fondle and Much Snogging-On-The-Moor.

It's important to get a consensus as to where your game sits, otherwise some participants will grow frustrated when the other(s) take things too seriously/silly.

Dr V

Title: Re: VSF Gritty or Whimsical
Post by: workerBee on March 25, 2013, 05:24:27 PM
The whole "Serious VSF" thing confuses me.   ???

Seriously?   ::)

These are games.   ;)

Even more than hysterical... historical... games.   lol

Gracias,

Glenn
Title: Re: VSF Gritty or Whimsical
Post by: Dr DeAth on March 25, 2013, 07:57:18 PM
This, with a healthy helping of double entendre mixed in for good measure  :D

cheers

James

My wife didn't know what a double entendre was, so I gave her one.  ;)

Title: Re: VSF Gritty or Whimsical
Post by: Captain Blood on March 25, 2013, 08:12:09 PM
My wife didn't know what a double entendre was, so I gave her one.  ;)



That sounds like it ought to be a very ancient joke (Tommy Cooper perhaps?) but I hadn't heard it before - a real gem  lol